Ok, I realize its highly unlikely. Anyone think he has a chance of playing for the first whistle just so they could announce his name? I am not convinced doing so makes us lose that game. What do you all think??
Would be a nice gesture...but NO...we need to start the game off on the right foot. Having him on the court would give Cincy a 5 on 4 advantage until the first whistle.
It would be a nice gesture, but only a coach like Tom Crean would do something like that in a pivotal game of all things.
He will probably get his name called during intros but not actually be on the floor for tip. They did this for dominic james after his injury.
How about Fulce? Does Buzz start him?
I would guess if Buzz asked Frozena, he would say no. I think he'd rather be in the NCAA tournament for the 4th time in his four years than get a token start.
Quote from: Doris Burkes Thong on February 27, 2011, 07:55:41 PM
It would be a nice gesture, but only a coach like Tom Crean would do something like that in a pivotal game of all things.
Doris, come on. No need to take it this direction....
This would be foolish
WTF? Are the Warriors playing the Sisters of Perpetual Motion or somethin'?
I think it would be just fine to play him til the first dead ball. Cmon...
Lighten up fellas. First dead ball is usually within like 30 seconds.
Frozena can't screw everything up in one possession, and if we need to use a timeout to take him out then so be it he's a senior isn't he?
After today, i'll take Frozena out there instead of Buycks.
Personally, if I'm a walk-on and I sweat and love these other players on my team, I want the best for the team and I'd remove myself from the game or shoot down the idea for the benefit of my "brothers".
I'd tell them they better go get a lead and then I'll go in.
So what is the starting line-up Wednesday?
DJO
Buycks (senior)
Frozena (senior)
Butler (senior)
Fulce (senior)
That first whistle better come fast.
Quote from: SacWarrior on February 27, 2011, 08:40:37 PM
Lighten up fellas. First dead ball is usually within like 30 seconds.
Frozena can't screw everything up in one possession, and if we need to use a timeout to take him out then so be it he's a senior isn't he?
I think they should start him. He's put in as much time and energy into this program as any other player, plus tuition. He deserves it.
Honestly, I think it would be more embarrassing than anything to get a token start and get pulled after 30 seconds. Maybe announce those guys separately just before the starters to honor them and take care of business with the game-it's a big one. Haven't we lost the last 2 or 3 senior days?
+1 StillWarriors.
Quote from: StillWarriors on February 27, 2011, 08:48:53 PM
Honestly, I think it would be more embarrassing than anything to get a token start and get pulled after 30 seconds. Maybe announce those guys separately just before the starters to honor them and take care of business with the game-it's a big one. Haven't we lost the last 2 or 3 senior days?
Three, all in devastating fashion in OT
Quote from: StillWarriors on February 27, 2011, 08:48:53 PM
Honestly, I think it would be more embarrassing than anything to get a token start and get pulled after 30 seconds. Maybe announce those guys separately just before the starters to honor them and take care of business with the game-it's a big one. Haven't we lost the last 2 or 3 senior days?
He wouldn't be the first starter this year to get pulled after 30 seconds and then not re-enter the game.
No, absolutely not, under no circumstance. Rob has been a hard-working, diligent member of the team for four years, but the best players should start. I believe it was last year, I remember us playing someone on their senior day and the opposing coach gave a token start to a senior who would normally never get it. We got off to a hot start and won a one-possession game, and I remember the announcers pointing to the first few minutes as a possible reason why we won. If Frozena starts, Cincy gets out to a 12-3 run while exploiting him defensively, and end up winning 74-72, where would the blame land? At Buzz's feet for being foolish enough to start him or at Frozena's for not being up to the task? This isn't Centenary, it's not even DePaul. This is another team fighting for their NCAA lives and fully capable of beating us. Thereis absolutely no call for handing out token minutes until the game is in hand. It's too important, and if it led to a season-ending 3-game losing streak before an NIT berth would probably have even more idiots calling for Buzz's head.
Categorically no. Absolutely no. Under no circumstance with the exception of 7 freak injuries between now and Wednesday. If Buzz did it, it would instantly become his worst ever coaching decision, even if we still won the game.
Did Tommy Brice ever start a pivotal game against Louisville...... no he didn't
Or Mitch Cummuch against UCLA....no he didn't..
These new age touchy-feely ideas make me sick personally. Even Rudy didn't get in till Notre Dame stomped on Georgia Tech.
No.
And in fact the receipe for his playing today seemed like a reminder from one of the assistants to Buzz that this might be Rob's last shot. With about 90 seconds to go, he went to speak with Buss who immediately looked up and summoned Rob.
Didn't Hanley start a game?
no.
I hope Buzz doesn't give this much thought. Cinn, unlike Prov, can win on the road. If our margin is a possession or two, leave Frozena on bench. Buzz took him to NYC at the start of season for BE media day. That was a nice gesture that did not impact a game.
Quote from: StillWarriors on February 27, 2011, 08:48:53 PM
Maybe announce those guys separately just before the starters to honor them and take care of business with the game-it's a big one.
Isn't that what they normally do? It sounds familiar to me, but I could be wrong. They have their own ceremony after the game I know, but I thought they get announced at the beginning. The player introductions don't mean crap, it's a tactic to get the crowd into it.
I seem to recall Dominique James being introduced a couple years ago before that f'n Syracuse game.
He will start the same lineup he did today.
Seniors are honored after the game not during it...................
Quote from: Stone Cold on February 27, 2011, 08:54:52 PM
These new age touchy-feely ideas make me sick personally. Even Rudy didn't get in till Notre Dame stomped on Georgia Tech.
Come on man. If this thread makes you sick then get a grip. I didn't realize how ridiculous it would be to honor a kid that has busted his tail for the past 4 years. Rob is a great kid, and you should be ashamed to mention his name in the same utterance as that Dbag Rudy.
No, and he shouldn't. However, starting Fulce over EWill is doable.
Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on February 27, 2011, 09:05:30 PM
Didn't Hanley start a game?
He got a lot of PT, but it wasn't token time. He was one of our two options at PG, along with Marcus Jackson.
Man that sounds weird.
Buzz said on the Homer show after the Providence game that he will start the same lineup "until we lose" that he started the last two games.
Frozena should get in the game at garbage time of hopefully, a blowout and be given the ball to hold for the last few seconds.
Quote from: StillWarriors on February 27, 2011, 08:48:53 PM
Honestly, I think it would be more embarrassing than anything to get a token start and get pulled after 30 seconds. Maybe announce those guys separately just before the starters to honor them and take care of business with the game-it's a big one. Haven't we lost the last 2 or 3 senior days?
It is just as embarassing being a senior on the sideline at teh start of senior night... unless there are six seniors.
Rob gave a lot of his time over the last 4 years to this program. MU will recognize that post-game, but give the man a start.
He won't start and he shouldn't start.....stupid argument.....this is a Big East home finale with Tournament seeding and post season implications.....i can't believe some of you are actually endorsing this.
He will be honored after the game with a nice jersey and will no doubt be part of the montage video....that is MORE than enough for a walk on who wouldn't normally smell the court in the Big East.
Quote from: Fullodds on February 27, 2011, 09:10:45 PM
I hope Buzz doesn't give this much thought. Cinn, unlike Prov, can win on the road. If our margin is a possession or two, leave Frozena on bench. Buzz took him to NYC at the start of season for BE media day. That was a nice gesture that did not impact a game.
How about Buzz is not even thinking about it. just a stupid idea.
Wisconsin had its senior day last night.
Bo started his normal lineup.
Forzena will get in if the game is in hand in the final minute...just like always.
When most games come down to 1 or 2 possessions you can't afford to start a walkon and play basically 5 on 4 until the first dead ball.
One basket could be the difference between the NCAA and the NIT.
Quote from: MUFC9295 on February 28, 2011, 09:37:20 AM
It is just as embarassing being a senior on the sideline at teh start of senior night... unless there are six seniors.
Rob gave a lot of his time over the last 4 years to this program. MU will recognize that post-game, but give the man a start.
Is this from personal experience? I don't think you should be embarrassed that you aren't one of the top 5 options on a high mid major. Even if some of those are a year younger than you.
I think it would be embarrassing to spend 4 years giving the team your all and then to suddenly put yourself above the team for a token honor.
Start the current lineup for waht is a huge game. No time to be fussing around with niceties. The guys will be honored after the game. Though, I suspect Fulce and Buycks may well start.
Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on February 27, 2011, 09:05:30 PM
Didn't Hanley start a game?
I4 started Hanley in the 2nd half one game.
Would be great, I say no.