Once his defense improves, he's going to be a solid contributor. An aggressive rebounder, not afraid to take the shot when he has it, he is going to start contributing very soon.
+1
I agree, he oozes athleticism. Still seems very raw though.
Quote from: MU PoopScoop on February 27, 2011, 03:47:27 PM
I agree, he oozes athleticism. Still seems very raw though.
I think he's raw from a lack of playing time. We just saw it on that shot that was too strong. Combination of nerves and inexperience that can only be cured with playing time on the court. He'll start getting more playing time, and as he gets it we will see him make big strides.
I think that was also due to trying to decide whether he should bank it or not.
he looks lost on offense. when he catches and shoots he looks good. when he crashes the boards he looks athletic. but dude looks terrible moving without the ball.
this could partly be lack of playing time, but he doesn't know where to go.
Buzz just told Homer that he is playing EWill more in response to demands by "the message board people." Very cool. I doubt Buzz reads the board, but someone who has his ear does.
Quote from: WarriorHal on February 27, 2011, 05:31:26 PM
Buzz just told Homer that he is playing EWill more in response to demands by "the message board people." Very cool. I doubt Buzz reads the board, but someone who has his ear does.
I would be he does read the boards from time to time. He probably reads MU's boards and our opponent's boards.
Ewill looked OK. However, he will need much more playing time to get comfortable with his stroke. Wow, he missed as bad a Fulce on some shots.
On the post-game, Buzz said EWill knows about "22%" of their offense ..gave examples of Jimmy constantly having to tell EWill what to do on the floor.
WOW. 1.9 years of practice for MU, and he knows "22%"???? That's seriously deficient.
Quote from: WarriorHal on February 27, 2011, 05:31:26 PM
Buzz just told Homer that he is playing EWill more in response to demands by "the message board people." Very cool. I doubt Buzz reads the board, but someone who has his ear does.
That was his sarcastic answer. The "real" answer was the EWill only knows "22%" of the offense (buzz's number), so when he's out there Jimmy has to give him the plays real-time and it puts stress on Jimmy (and Buzz has to be careful who he has out there with him). But, on the flip side, using EW for more minutes leaves Jae with some breathing room to be in during the stretch instead of sitting on the bench with too many fouls.
Quote from: mu_hilltopper on February 27, 2011, 05:37:42 PM
WOW. 1.9 years of practice for MU, and he knows "22%"???? That's seriously deficient.
That's what I was confused by too. But alas, we'll let Buzz figure it out (hi coach!).
On a side note, did others hear what the ESPN announcers say that Fulce does not practice but pretty much tells Buzz how much pain he is in on game day to determine how many minutes he gets?
At one point in the second half, he clearly missed a rotation on defense, and you could hear "come on E!!" shouted by one of the other players.
I don't know about anyone else, but I am super excited about E Will's sr. year. Along with continued development of VB, JC, and the COt/DG two headed monster, we (should) have the length of EWill, JW, and JJ flying around out there on the wings. Holy crap.
Well, I haven't seen enough to suggest that he is going to "fly" out there. I'll be satisfied with a consistant 10 pt., 5 reb. guy.
Quote from: NCMUFan on February 27, 2011, 06:03:40 PM
On a side note, did others hear what the ESPN announcers say that Fulce does not practice but pretty much tells Buzz how much pain he is in on game day to determine how many minutes he gets?
Joe is a warrior for suiting up on those knees of his. I hope Marquette picks up the tab for Microfracture surgery/rehabilitation for him after the season. He has earned it.
I'm one of those "message board" people Buzz was talking about calling for EWill to get more playing time. I still think EWill and Jones are poorly used and their games have atrophied because of it. If EWill or Jones got the playing time that Otule does and were allowed to play through their mistakes, I believe they would have improved like Otule has this year - Otule is much better now than he was at the beginning of the season. (And yes, I realize that Otule plays a different position and EWill is buried behinf guys like Butler and Crowder)
If Buzz says that EWill only knows 22% of the offense after almost two years, then Buzz has to look in the mirror and ask himself how that is possible. Like students, every player learns differently. Some soak up a traditional chalk talk, others learn more from game film, some like the coach to place him where he should be on the floor, others prefer going over the playbook over and over and over. I'm not saying that this all falls on Buzz, but Buzz must not be getting through if EWill only grasps 22% of the offense. He has to figure out why and get through better.
If you realize he's behind those guys, where do you think the minutes are going to come from? Somebody has to be the 10th and 11th guys on the bench.
Quote from: Norm on February 27, 2011, 08:32:54 PM
(And yes, I realize that Otule plays a different position and EWill is buried behinf guys like Butler and Crowder)
OK...then you will also realize that this is *the* reason that EWill doesn't play right? This isn't some middle school training ground. Buzz basically plays 9 guys now. That is about what most teams play. EWill and JJ's games have "atrophied"...they simply haven't developed to where they can make greater contributions than the alternatives.
Quote from: jmayer1 on February 27, 2011, 08:40:03 PM
If you realize he's behind those guys, where do you think the minutes are going to come from? Somebody has to be the 10th and 11th guys on the bench.
How about how he's been used the past 2 games as opposed to the previous 14 Big East games? I don't think his 7-10 minutes in the past two games have hurt the team. I think he could have been used more to give Butler and Crowder a rest so they are better able to finish games and MU doesn't melt down in the 2nd half because they basically run out of steam.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on February 27, 2011, 08:43:40 PM
OK...then you will also realize that this is *the* reason that EWill doesn't play right? This isn't some middle school training ground. Buzz basically plays 9 guys now. That is about what most teams play. EWill and JJ's games have "atrophied"...they simply haven't developed to where they can make greater contributions than the alternatives.
Yes, I realize that is why his playing time is limited, but I don't think that should translate into EWill only playing in 5 out of 16 Big East games thus far this season. He has only played in 2 more games than Frozena. How would 5-7 minutes a game to spell Butler and Crowder to keep them fresher in the 2nd half hurt MU?
Quote from: Norm on February 27, 2011, 08:46:49 PM
How about how he's been used the past 2 games as opposed to the previous 14 Big East games? I don't think his 7-10 minutes in the past two games have hurt the team. I think he could have been used more to give Butler and Crowder a rest so they are better able to finish games and MU doesn't melt down in the 2nd half because they basically run out of steam.
EWill was sub-ed into the Louisville game with about 10 minutes left in the game. As I recall he missed a rebound and then blew a defensive assignment that lead to a basket. But I suppose that didn't end up "hurting the team" ::)
Quote from: Norm on February 27, 2011, 08:54:36 PM
Yes, I realize that is why his playing time is limited, but I don't think that should translate into EWill only playing in 5 out of 16 Big East games thus far this season. He has only played in 2 more games than Frozena. How would 5-7 minutes a game to spell Butler and Crowder to keep them fresher in the 2nd half hurt MU?
This isn't 6th grade basketball where everyone should have to play each game.
Marquette plays Division 1 basketball in arguably the best conference in college basketball. Buzz has shown that he'll play guys new to the program and/or freshman, so if he wasn't playing EWill, i'm quite sure he has real reasons for it that he felt limited the team from best case chances to win games. Guys across major college basketball programs get limited minutes as freshman and even sophomores.
Obviously something has finally clicked with Williams in practice that has made Buzz more comfortable with playing him as of late. Watching him today, it was refreshing to see him be aggressive when he got the ball a few times instead of him looking scared to have the ball in his hands.
Kids coming into college programs all have varying skill sets and personalities. EWill struck me as a kid early on who was kinda passive and didn't have the same kind of aggressive personality that guys like say DJO and Butler have. Watching him lately and especially today, Williams didn't look awkward and lost on the court as he's seemed to me in the past.
EWill probably is playing harder in practice and is finally getting the idea of playing
hard everyday. But what I see, is taking some minute from Jae who still makes dumb fouls
early in the game and is in trouble in the second half of games when MU really needs him.
He definitely has some talent, just needs some playing time. I really believe Buzz made a
big mistake not giving him PT time in December. I wonder what EWill is thinking? I sit for
12 or 14 games, then he plays me? One thing I do know is that is legs are very active. All
I hope is that he comes back next year and gets some serious PT time. I see Jae, EWill and
Wilson playing alot next year up front. I would like to see Otule, EWill and Jae up front.
Quote from: NotAnAlum on February 27, 2011, 10:05:26 PM
EWill was sub-ed into the Louisville game with about 10 minutes left in the game. As I recall he missed a rebound and then blew a defensive assignment that lead to a basket. But I suppose that didn't end up "hurting the team" ::)
Ah yes, the downfall to the Louisville debacle was the 1 minute that EWill played, because he was the only one who missed a board and a layup. To recap some highlights of the boxscore of that gem:
DJO was 3-13
Otule 0-3 and had 1 rebound
Buycks had 5 turnovers
Crowder was 0-3 from the line
Quote from: BCHoopster on February 27, 2011, 10:46:59 PM
EWill probably is playing harder in practice and is finally getting the idea of playing
hard everyday. But what I see, is taking some minute from Jae who still makes dumb fouls
early in the game and is in trouble in the second half of games when MU really needs him.
He definitely has some talent, just needs some playing time. I really believe Buzz made a
big mistake not giving him PT time in December. I wonder what EWill is thinking? I sit for
12 or 14 games, then he plays me? One thing I do know is that is legs are very active. All
I hope is that he comes back next year and gets some serious PT time. I see Jae, EWill and
Wilson playing alot next year up front. I would like to see Otule, EWill and Jae up front.
What about Ox? Another year of conditioning is going to make a huge difference. And we've already seen, he has great hands down low and knows how to use his body in the paint. He's going to be a monster next year.
Quote from: Norm on February 27, 2011, 08:54:36 PM
Yes, I realize that is why his playing time is limited, but I don't think that should translate into EWill only playing in 5 out of 16 Big East games thus far this season. He has only played in 2 more games than Frozena. How would 5-7 minutes a game to spell Butler and Crowder to keep them fresher in the 2nd half hurt MU?
I haven't seen a single instance this year of the team not being "fresh" down the stretch. I simply think that a 10-11 rotation is very difficult so people are going to sit on the bench.
Quote from: tommyc6 on February 27, 2011, 11:18:31 PM
What about Ox? Another year of conditioning is going to make a huge difference. And we've already seen, he has great hands down low and knows how to use his body in the paint. He's going to be a monster next year.
I do not think the Ox jumps well enough or moves his feet on D right now. He might improve but I think
it will not be till his junior year that you see that big a difference.
Quote from: Norm on February 27, 2011, 08:46:49 PM
How about how he's been used the past 2 games as opposed to the previous 14 Big East games? I don't think his 7-10 minutes in the past two games have hurt the team. I think he could have been used more to give Butler and Crowder a rest so they are better able to finish games and MU doesn't melt down in the 2nd half because they basically run out of steam.
I will say this, though. Against UConn we got off to terrible starts in both halves while EWill was in there. Not necessarily his fault, but I found it interesting that we are going to go with this starting lineup that was terrible in both halves against UConn. I'm all for spotting EWill for 5-10 mpg to keep Crowder out of foul trouble.
Quote from: Norm on February 27, 2011, 10:52:08 PM
Ah yes, the downfall to the Louisville debacle was the 1 minute that EWill played, because he was the only one who missed a board and a layup. To recap some highlights of the boxscore of that gem:
DJO was 3-13
Otule 0-3 and had 1 rebound
Buycks had 5 turnovers
Crowder was 0-3 from the line
If I'm the coach I'll live with a loss because my starters (or said another way, my best players) don't execute. Its much harder to live with loss if I, as a coach, left in a guy who wasn't ready to perform and lost in part due to him being on the floor. E Will is not yet ready for Big Games in the Big East. If you honestly watched his play (even yesterday) you can't help but see that. Buzz's job is number one to win basketball games NOW. There is a time to experiment but it is not in games which you expect to be decided by one or two possessions. I would not change a thing with E. Will's playing time based on what I have seen.
Quote from: NotAnAlum on February 28, 2011, 12:26:09 PM
If I'm the coach I'll live with a loss because my starters (or said another way, my best players) don't execute. Its much harder to live with loss if I, as a coach, left in a guy who wasn't ready to perform and lost in part due to him being on the floor. E Will is not yet ready for Big Games in the Big East. If you honestly watched his play (even yesterday) you can't help but see that. Buzz's job is number one to win basketball games NOW. There is a time to experiment but it is not in games which you expect to be decided by one or two possessions. I would not change a thing with E. Will's playing time based on what I have seen.
But that's the rub right there - Buzz allows his starters to make mistakes on the floor but yanks his backups seemingly every time they make a mistake out there. That, combined with having guys like EWill and Jones collect DNPs in 11 of the last 16 games, with just a minute or two in others, does not help them develop. So yes, Williams looked a little tentative out there yesterday and made mistakes, but he also scored 6 points on 3 of 5 shooting and snagged 5 rebounds, 3 on the offensive side. It's just my opinion, but I wish EWill got more time to help him develop and get more confidence.
Nearly every coach will tell you players "develop" much more in practice than in a game. I really don't think you would have seen much different in E Will's game if he had been getting as much BE game minutes as we could bear given the fact that there is no way he would be as effective as the starters. E Will's big chance will be next Non-con season. I expect him to get plenty of game minutes to prove himself then. If he learned the system and how to play team defense in the last 2 years of practice he'll earn the right to play during the non-con. If not a few extra minutes this year wouldn't have mattered.