I know I'm getting way ahead of myself but who does everyone see starting next year? Crowder, DJO, and Otule I think are the obvious choices and I would have to think Cadougan would get the nod at point. Does Frozena have another year of eligibility?
otule Gardner
wilson Anderson
crowder EW
Cadougan Wilson
DJo blue
Jones
If MU brings in a JC point, then Junior will have to fight
for the spot, otherwise pretty set
Otule (JR) - 5
Wilson (JR) - 4
Crowder (SR) - 3
DJO (SR) - 2
Junior (JR) - 1
Won't Wilson be a Sophomore?
Otule
Crowder
Wilson
DJO
Blue
Junior, Jones, Gardner, EWill in the rotation.
Junior
DJO
Wilson
Crowder
O'Toule
Quote from: TallTitan34 on February 25, 2011, 11:41:33 PM
Won't Wilson be a Sophomore?
Yup. Transferred after Freshman year so will be elibigle for his Sophomore year after a red shirt year. I think he will be a very good player for us.
Quote from: HoopsMalone on February 25, 2011, 11:47:44 PM
Otule
Crowder
Wilson
DJO
Blue
Junior, Jones, Gardner, EWill in the rotation.
There is no chance that Cadougan or (freshman) Wilson aren't in the starting lineup. Neither DJO nor Blue can play the point, and if they are we're in trouble.
(Transfer) Wilson will be a sophomore next year and is a wing. Crowder will be the 4, Wilson the 3 and will even see some time at the 2.
Otule 5
Crowder 4
Wilson 3
DJO 2
JC 1
And isn't it nice to have a solid 4-5 guys off the bench who can play. Be very interesting to see who develops quickly as a back up PG. Might be a yet unnamed JUCO that gets minutes there.
From what I hear Singleton may be the best PG on the team now.
Otule
Crowder
Wilson
DJO
Junior
With the loss of Butler and Buycks, they have a combined 26 points a game.
Junior averages 3ppg, so lets double that to around 6ppg for next year.
That leaves a 20 point differential. Hope the others can make up the difference on the offensive side.
Dwight Buycks is our best shooter. Definitely most consistent long range shooter.
We better find another cat who can shoot or else get ready for more zones.
Quote from: BCHoopster on February 25, 2011, 11:07:41 PM
otule Gardner
wilson Anderson
crowder EW
Cadougan Wilson
DJo blue
Jones
If MU brings in a JC point, then Junior will have to fight
for the spot, otherwise pretty set
Jr. will not fight for PG position--he will be a 30 minute man next year. He has all the skills to run the point and deliver the ball to the scorers. He will have a full year this year. Unless there is a stud out there at Point that we can land--which I doubt, he will be the man.
On another note, I suspect Ox will really work in off season to improve his conditioning--if he does, he will definitely challenge Otule---which is a good thing. I sure as hell hope he does not spend the off season chowing down on pizzas and mashed potatoes. But I will! I do prefer french fries better than mashed potatoes though--they get to your arteries quicker.
Quote from: Stone Cold on February 26, 2011, 08:21:59 AM
Dwight Buycks is our best shooter. Definitely most consistent long range shooter.
We better find another cat who can shoot or else get ready for more zones.
Statistically, there is no denying Buycks 3PT% is better than anyone else on team (41%) but personally, I think DJO is a better pure shooter. His percentages are down this year simply because teams are keying more on him.
DJO has got a pure stroke, all lefties look good shooting the ball, like myself.
Definitely disagree DJO's three shooting is down because of some concerted effort by the opponent. He has missed a ton of open three's this year, he's been taking good shots. Reality is most likely last year was an aberration for his shooting over a period. Shooting 50% on threes wasn't going to last anyway.
But no doubt in my mind, 80% of the time I want DB shooting that game winning three for us, unless DJO is hot.
Hard to rely on DJO. The good shooting DJO is more a luxury this year then a "guarantee".
Quote from: willie warrior on February 26, 2011, 08:29:53 AM
Jr. will not fight for PG position--he will be a 30 minute man next year. He has all the skills to run the point and deliver the ball to the scorers. He will have a full year this year. Unless there is a stud out there at Point that we can land--which I doubt, he will be the man.
On another note, I suspect Ox will really work in off season to improve his conditioning--if he does, he will definitely challenge Otule---which is a good thing. I sure as hell hope he does not spend the off season chowing down on pizzas and mashed potatoes. But I will! I do prefer french fries better than mashed potatoes though--they get to your arteries quicker.
Agree entirely on your first thought.
I hope you are right on your second...I think you are. Although if Otule continues to develop I'm not sure Gardner will catch him next year.
It's a beautiful thing that we actually have multiple options in the post.
Starters
=======
OTule
Crowder
Wilson
DJO
Cadougan
Bench (order of decreasing minutes)
====================================
Blue
Gardner
Derrick Wilson
JJones
Juan Anderson
E-Will
Singleton
Should have a nice versatile roto next year. I really think Juan Anderson might surprise, he has a WVU's "Kevin Jones" type game/upside.
Quote from: lab_warrior on February 26, 2011, 09:59:53 AM
Starters
=======
OTule
Crowder
Wilson
DJO
Cadougan
Bench (order of decreasing minutes)
====================================
Blue
Gardner
Derrick Wilson
JJones
Juan Anderson
E-Will
Singleton
Should have a nice versatile roto next year. I really think Juan Anderson might surprise, he has a WVU's "Kevin Jones" type game/upside.
Interesting that you show EWill as the last scholly player. I actually think he'll be in the 'Fulce' role next year although I have nothing to back that up. Thinking 7-10 minutes a game. One thing I do know, assuming he decides to stay at MU, is that coach will give him every opportunity during non-conference.
And don't forget, we've still got 2 scholly slots next year. I'm banking on one going to a JUCO who will see meaningful minutes.
2011-2012 will be a turbulent starting 5, just like this year. Instead, I'll give you who will play the most minutes.
30+ Minute Players
DJO
Crowder
Cadougan
25-30 Minute Player
Vander
20-25 Minute Players
Wilson
O'Tule
15-20 Minute Players
Gardner
Williams
10-15 Minute Player
Jones
4-10 Minute Players
Anderson
Derrick Wilson
Quote from: marqptm on February 26, 2011, 11:09:26 AM
2011-2012 will be a turbulent starting 5, just like this year. Instead, I'll give you who will play the most minutes.
Given the number of guys that have the talent to play - I like that approach - and most agree with your numbers on a +/-5 min scale :)
Quote from: rocky_warrior on February 26, 2011, 11:19:23 AM
Given the number of guys that have the talent to play - I like that approach - and most agree with your numbers on a +/-5 min scale :)
I do not think they add up properly, but let's not worry over semantics. ;D
Quote from: marqptm on February 26, 2011, 11:26:14 AM
I do not think they add up properly, but let's not worry over semantics. ;D
I wasn't even going there, but yeah, if you add up all your low end numbers you get 203 min - nonetheless, pretty close.
My favorite far fetched line up?
Caddy
Jamil Wilson
Williams
Crowder
O'Tule
Average height of 6' 7".
Bringing DJO off of the bench? According to some, bringing him off of the bench a couple of times this year nearly ruined him. I agree with the consensus starting 5. I would like to see Blue work on his handle in the offseason so that he can be the back-up PG as well as SG.
Otule/Gardner will split 30-35 minutes a game at the 5. Crowder probably eating up the rest there.
Crowder/Ewill/Anderson will probably play the 40 at the 4
Wilson/Vander/Anderson/Jones will probably play the 40 here at the 3
Jones/Vander/Wilson/DJO
Cadougan/D Wilson/Vander will play the minutes here
If Vander doesn't start he will most likely play starters minutes backing up 1-3.
If Wilson doesn't start je will play starters minutes 2-4 back up
DJO
Wilson or Vander
Cadougan
Crowder
O'tule
Quote from: Galway03 on February 26, 2011, 08:09:08 AM
From what I hear Singleton may be the best PG on the team now.
Hummm If this is true, it will make for a very pleasant surprise next year, and upset just about everyone here's projection. It'll really increase the team's depth too.
Quote from: LittleMurs on February 26, 2011, 08:32:25 PM
Hummm If this is true, it will make for a very pleasant surprise next year, and upset just about everyone here's projection. It'll really increase the team's depth too.
It couldn't be any further from the truth.
I say go big and play zone
C Otule
PF Gardner
SF Crowder
SG DJO
PGJamil Wilson- I am not sure how good he can handle the ball, but he is the best passer on the team.
+1
Quote from: marqptm on February 26, 2011, 11:09:26 AM
2011-2012 will be a turbulent starting 5, just like this year. Instead, I'll give you who will play the most minutes.
30+ Minute Players
DJO
Crowder
Cadougan
25-30 Minute Player
Vander
20-25 Minute Players
Wilson
O'Tule
15-20 Minute Players
Gardner
Williams
10-15 Minute Player
Jones
4-10 Minute Players
Anderson
Derrick Wilson
Quote from: bilsu on February 26, 2011, 09:23:22 PM
I say go big and play zone
C Otule
PF Gardner
SF Crowder
SG DJO
PGJamil Wilson- I am not sure how good he can handle the ball, but he is the best passer on the team.
How can you say Wilson is the best passer on the team? He hasn't played at all this year and he's a forward. He averaged just over 1 assist per game with Oregon. I don't get it.
Watched him at the Pro Am in several games. He disappointed me, because he did not want to play down low. He wants to play outside. He basically played point and had several pinpoint passes to players on the inside. His size allows him great vision and remember he was an all-state volleyball player. Volleyball players at that level are good passers. Of course passing a volleyball is different than passing a basketball, but you develope great team skills, vision and touch playing volleyball. He would be great at delivering passes to Otule and Gardner. He is not the type of player that will drive and dish. He makes longer pin point passes.
Quote from: bilsu on February 26, 2011, 09:23:22 PM
I say go big and play zone
C Otule
PF Gardner
SF Crowder
SG DJO
PGJamil Wilson- I am not sure how good he can handle the ball, but he is the best passer on the team.
I was at the pro-am as well...I don't believe he'll play a single minute at the point next year...
Quote from: bilsu on February 26, 2011, 09:51:22 PM
Watched him at the Pro Am in several games. He disappointed me, because he did not want to play down low. He wants to play outside. He basically played point and had several pinpoint passes to players on the inside. His size allows him great vision and remember he was an all-state volleyball player. Volleyball players at that level are good passers. Of course passing a volleyball is different than passing a basketball, but you develope great team skills, vision and touch playing volleyball. He would be great at delivering passes to Otule and Gardner. He is not the type of player that will drive and dish. He makes longer pin point passes.
Interesting. I did not know he played volleyball. There was another point guard who was 6'7". I think he played for Michigan State...
Quote from: bilsu on February 26, 2011, 09:51:22 PM
Watched him at the Pro Am in several games. He disappointed me, because he did not want to play down low. He wants to play outside. He basically played point and had several pinpoint passes to players on the inside. His size allows him great vision and remember he was an all-state volleyball player. Volleyball players at that level are good passers. Of course passing a volleyball is different than passing a basketball, but you develope great team skills, vision and touch playing volleyball. He would be great at delivering passes to Otule and Gardner. He is not the type of player that will drive and dish. He makes longer pin point passes.
Not sure I agree with those volleyball comments.
Quote from: wadefan#1 on February 26, 2011, 10:35:11 PM
Not sure I agree with those volleyball comments.
Agreed. See my picture. It's a National Championship gold medal for volleyball. Volleyball passing has ABSOLUTELY nothing with basketball passing.
Quote from: jeffreyweee on February 26, 2011, 12:27:09 PM
Otule/Gardner will split 30-35 minutes a game at the 5. Crowder probably eating up the rest there.
Crowder/Ewill/Anderson will probably play the 40 at the 4
Wilson/Vander/Anderson/Jones will probably play the 40 here at the 3
Jones/Vander/Wilson/DJO
Cadougan/D Wilson/Vander will play the minutes here
If Vander doesn't start he will most likely play starters minutes backing up 1-3.
If Wilson doesn't start je will play starters minutes 2-4 back up
DJO
Wilson or Vander
Cadougan
Crowder
O'tule
I don't see Crowder at the 4. His best position is a 3.
willie...they really don't play traditional positions. But furthermore, who else is going to guard big on this team? They aren't going to have Ox and Otule play at the same time, so Crowder is by default going to be the second bigggest guy on the floor next year.
Jamil Wilson probably has two inches on Crowder. But Wilson has a soft game, so he's more a 3 than 4, more of a 3 than Crowder.
I'd like to see Crowder develop some McHale moves and operate in the post and use his quickness, to go with his outside game.
I'll say this again, David Singleton may be the best PG on the team right now! If you knew nothing about the team and watched a practice you would think that Singleton was the starter.
Quote from: Galway03 on February 27, 2011, 09:30:25 AM
I'll say this again, David Singleton may be the best PG on the team right now! If you knew nothing about the team and watched a practice you would think that Singleton was the starter.
We're screwed then.
Cat was a 17% 3 pt shooter, 56% FT shooter, and had a 1:1 A/T ratio in two years at High Point. Regressed from frosh to soph year.
Quote from: Stone Cold on February 27, 2011, 09:33:38 AM
We're screwed then.
Cat was a 17% 3 pt shooter, 56% FT shooter, and had a 1:1 A/T ratio in two years at High Point. Regressed from frosh to soph year.
Holy Cow--not very impressive. Is High Point a D1 school?
Quote from: willie warrior on February 27, 2011, 10:13:34 AM
Holy Cow--not very impressive. Is High Point a D1 school?
Yes, member of Big South
I know nothing about Singleton's game, but how can you guys so easily dismiss the idea that a player can get better with the right coaching, or perhaps has just matured? Players do improve. Jimmy Butler, Chris Otule, Junior Cadougan, Mo Acker, Cubillan, Amal, Mac, Crawford, Wes....ad infinitum.
Quote from: tower912 on February 27, 2011, 10:54:55 AM
I know nothing about Singleton's game, but how can you guys so easily dismiss the idea that a player can get better with the right coaching, or perhaps has just matured? Players do improve. Jimmy Butler, Chris Otule, Junior Cadougan, Mo Acker, Cubillan, Amal, Mac, Crawford, Wes....ad infinitum.
Singleton is not the second coming of Steph Curry, and he would need to be to make the jump from his stats at High Point to being a Big East starting point guard.
Quote from: Stone Cold on February 27, 2011, 09:20:54 AM
Jamil Wilson probably has two inches on Crowder. But Wilson has a soft game, so he's more a 3 than 4, more of a 3 than Crowder.
Switchable defined.
Quote from: marqptm on February 27, 2011, 01:01:59 PM
Singleton is not the second coming of Steph Curry, and he would need to be to make the jump from his stats at High Point to being a Big East starting point guard.
And Amal went from manager of his HS team to the NBA. Not saying it has or will happen, but not counting it out. At the now dis-regarded summer tourney, Wes said that Singleton was the player that impressed him most.
Otule - C
Crowder - F
Jamil Wilson - F
DJO - G
Junior - G
Vander should get top minutes off the bench, but I hope he improves his jump shot this off-season to make it at least respectable. If Gardner gets in better condition, he can start to steal time away from Otule, but Chris has been playing well lately. I wouldn't be opposed to seeing them both on the court for a short period of time, either (IF Gardner is conditioned to get back).
Quote from: tower912 on February 27, 2011, 01:45:36 PM
And Amal went from manager of his HS team to the NBA. Not saying it has or will happen, but not counting it out. At the now dis-regarded summer tourney, Wes said that Singleton was the player that impressed him most.
Clearly, the dudes that post on here -- who have never even seen the guy play -- know way more about basketball and David Singleton's game than Wes Matthews. Duh.
Gardner
Singleton
VB
Williams
Mello