What determines the tie breaker for two identical records? Is it overall record or record against the team you are tied with?
It is very confusing, it is head to head with the team or teams you are tied with BUT they have this bizarre caveat when more than 2 tems are tied and one of the combinations played twice that is another team in the pool of tied teams might have acieved the same record if they had the extra game then everyone stays tie. If still tied then you go to win against highest ranked team in the be, and that is where our nd win is big unless a team we are tied with has beat pitt.
If someone else can clarify who understands it, please do.
Ties for 2 teams:
1. Head-to-head record
2. Common record against the next best conference team
It gets pretty complicated after that...
MULTIPLE-TEAM TIE (3 or more teams)
1.
A) Teams are viewed as a "mini-conference" when comparing head-to-head results. The team with the
best record (as determined by winning percentage, even if unequal games) vs. the other teams in the miniconference
gains the advantage. If only two teams have the same best winning percentage in the miniconference,
the higher seed goes to the team winning the head-to-head series. If the two teams split their
two games, then proceed to Step 2 under Two-Way ties. To seed the remaining team(s) in this miniconference,
proceed to Paragraph B below. If three or more (but not all) teams have the same best winning
percentage in the original mini-conference, then those tied teams create a new mini-conference and follow
the same procedures as at the beginning of this paragraph. If all teams in the mini-conference have the
same mini-conference record, proceed to Step 2 below.
B) After the top team in a mini-conference is determined, the next team is ranked by its record in the
original mini-conference. If there are any remaining teams tied by their record in the mini-conference,
then head-to-head results will determine the higher seed. If the teams split two games, then proceed back
to the two-way tie breaking procedure. If there are at least three teams remaining tied by their record in
the mini-conference, they would then form a new mini-conference and follow the procedure again at the
beginning of Step 1 (Multiple-Team Tie).
2. Compare each team's record vs. the team or group of tied teams occupying the highest position in the
standings. Continue down through the standings until one team gains an advantage. When comparing
records against a single team or collective tied teams (before ties are broken), the following may apply:
a. The games played against the team or group are equal, winning percentage prevails.
b. If the games played against the team or group are unequal, the following scenarios apply:
1) Most wins do prevail only if the team(s) with fewer wins could not equal that win total if they
played the same number of games. Two examples of many scenarios that do provide an advantage
1) Team A 2-0 2) Team A 3-1
Team B 1-1 Team B 1-2
Team C 0-1 Team C 1-2
2) Most wins do not prevail only if the team(s) with fewer wins could equal or surpass the win total
of the other team. Two examples of many scenarios that do not provide an advantage:
1) Team A 2-1 2) Team A 1-2
Team B 1-1 Team B 0-2
Team C 1-1 Team C 0-2
3) Fewer losses do not prevail if the team(s) have the same number of wins, but the team with fewer
games could equal or surpass the loss total of the other tied teams. Two examples of many scenarios
that do not provide an advantage:
1) Team A 2-0 2) Team A 0-2
Team B 2-1 Team B 0-3
Team C 2-1 Team C 0-3
If an advantage is not determined, proceed to the next team or group in the standings for comparison.
If the tie cannot be broken after continuing down through the last team or teams in the standings,
revert back to comparing records against the top teams in order and allow winning percentage to
prevail even if there is a comparison of unequal games. Only then, if the percentages are both 1.000,
than 2-0 is better than 1-0. However, the reverse is not true – no team gains advantage when all have a
.000 winning percentage (0-1 is never better than 0-2).
Does anybody still have the pre-season standings predictions from media day? I have to say, I'm surprised Villanova has lost 6 games with games left at Pitt, at ND and vs. St. John's.
Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on February 25, 2011, 12:40:29 PM
Does anybody still have the pre-season standings predictions from media day? I have to say, I'm surprised Villanova has lost 6 games with games left at Pitt, at ND and vs. St. John's.
I don't have the prediction as you asked, but isn't it amazing that Nova already has six losses and UConn has SEVEN! Ridiculous.
Nova has beaten UCLA (neutral), Maryland, and Temple, and only lost to Tennessee in the non-con
UConn has beaten Mich State & Kentucky to win Maui, beats Texas AT Texas, and Tennessee with no non-con losses at all
Yet 13 losses in Big East play between the two of them.
preseason coaches poll:
1. Pittsburgh (12) 222
2. Villanova (1) 208
3. Syracuse (2) 187
4. Georgetown 173
5. West Virginia 164
6. St. John's (1) 145
7. Notre Dame 123
8. Louisville 121
Marquette 121
10. Connecticut 113
11. Seton Hall 104
12. Cincinnati 91
13. USF 54
14. Providence 36
15. Rutgers 32
16. DePaul 26
Was taking a look at the Big East Standings after last night and realized that every team in the Big East higher than us at the moment is either ranked, or been ranked at some point this year.
So, if we win out (knock on wood), what's the best possible scenario leading into the BET? Is getting a 5th or 6th seed achievable? If that happens does Buzz get some Big East Coach of the Year love? Lavin will win Beast East Coach of the Year, but being picked to finish tied for 8th at the beginning of the season to ending in the top 5 or 6 is a solid accomplishment.
The big east is crazy (good) this year. I mean, look at Texas. Yeah, they've got a good ranking, and only 4 losses, but two of those losses are to the 2 big east teams they played (Pitt & UConn). One was even at home for them.
Sure, they're a good team. But in the Big East - they'd have 6-7 losses too.
Quote from: Skatastrophy on February 25, 2011, 12:33:25 PM
Ties for 2 teams:
1. Head-to-head record
2. Common record against the next best conference team
It gets pretty complicated after that...
MULTIPLE-TEAM TIE (3 or more teams)
1.
A) Teams are viewed as a "mini-conference" when comparing head-to-head results. The team with the
best record (as determined by winning percentage, even if unequal games) vs. the other teams in the miniconference
gains the advantage. If only two teams have the same best winning percentage in the miniconference,
the higher seed goes to the team winning the head-to-head series. If the two teams split their
two games, then proceed to Step 2 under Two-Way ties. To seed the remaining team(s) in this miniconference,
proceed to Paragraph B below. If three or more (but not all) teams have the same best winning
percentage in the original mini-conference, then those tied teams create a new mini-conference and follow
the same procedures as at the beginning of this paragraph. If all teams in the mini-conference have the
same mini-conference record, proceed to Step 2 below.
B) After the top team in a mini-conference is determined, the next team is ranked by its record in the
original mini-conference. If there are any remaining teams tied by their record in the mini-conference,
then head-to-head results will determine the higher seed. If the teams split two games, then proceed back
to the two-way tie breaking procedure. If there are at least three teams remaining tied by their record in
the mini-conference, they would then form a new mini-conference and follow the procedure again at the
beginning of Step 1 (Multiple-Team Tie).
2. Compare each team's record vs. the team or group of tied teams occupying the highest position in the
standings. Continue down through the standings until one team gains an advantage. When comparing
records against a single team or collective tied teams (before ties are broken), the following may apply:
a. The games played against the team or group are equal, winning percentage prevails.
b. If the games played against the team or group are unequal, the following scenarios apply:
1) Most wins do prevail only if the team(s) with fewer wins could not equal that win total if they
played the same number of games. Two examples of many scenarios that do provide an advantage
1) Team A 2-0 2) Team A 3-1
Team B 1-1 Team B 1-2
Team C 0-1 Team C 1-2
2) Most wins do not prevail only if the team(s) with fewer wins could equal or surpass the win total
of the other team. Two examples of many scenarios that do not provide an advantage:
1) Team A 2-1 2) Team A 1-2
Team B 1-1 Team B 0-2
Team C 1-1 Team C 0-2
3) Fewer losses do not prevail if the team(s) have the same number of wins, but the team with fewer
games could equal or surpass the loss total of the other tied teams. Two examples of many scenarios
that do not provide an advantage:
1) Team A 2-0 2) Team A 0-2
Team B 2-1 Team B 0-3
Team C 2-1 Team C 0-3
If an advantage is not determined, proceed to the next team or group in the standings for comparison.
If the tie cannot be broken after continuing down through the last team or teams in the standings,
revert back to comparing records against the top teams in order and allow winning percentage to
prevail even if there is a comparison of unequal games. Only then, if the percentages are both 1.000,
than 2-0 is better than 1-0. However, the reverse is not true – no team gains advantage when all have a
.000 winning percentage (0-1 is never better than 0-2).
Thanks man, for the huge headache. Sheesh--you will need a computer and slide rule to figure out a three way tie. Wonder what will happen when there are two more teams in the league.
Quote from: KipsBayEagle on February 25, 2011, 12:07:05 PM
What determines the tie breaker for two identical records? Is it overall record or record against the team you are tied with?
Because tie-breakers rely heavily upon the season-ending conference standings, it's likely we won't know who has the possibility of finishing where until this time next week. What is for certain is that MU can't finish lower than T-11th with the #12 seed, but they can finish as high as T-2nd with the #3 seed in the BET.
That's what they call "nowhere to go but up."