Lots of talk about Newbill and "what if" he was on our team.
Buzz made a decision to take Wilson instead. So, that is the trade we'll compare over the next three years. In the meantime, here are the stats between Freshman Newbill v Freshmen Wilson
http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/compare?add=jamil-wilson&p1=devonte-newbill
At first glance the numbers favor Newbill.
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This year Southern Miss SoS is 134 and 0 - 0 against top 50 teams. (UAB at 56 has been their toughest game)
Last year Oregon SoS was 126 BUT 1-6 against top 50 teams.
Recall that this year MU has played 13 top 50 teams (50% of our schedule) so MU plays teams on another level when compared to Southern Miss.
Wilson's record in top 50 games last year ...
http://espn.go.com/ncb/player/gamelog?playerId=45866&year=2010
Dec 5, 2009 Missouri - 18min, 11pts, 7 REB
Dec 12 2009 St. Marys - 20min, 6 pts, 4REB
Jan 14 2010 ASU - 17min, 3pts, 5REB
Jan 21 2010 CAL - 13min, 6pts, 5REB
Feb 11 2010 AZ - 17min, 3pts, 0REB
The last 9 games Wilson had 6 DNP and only 25 minutes in the three he did play. Was he hurt? I don't remember.
Lastly, as someone else pointed out, Vander's stats out of conference until BE play started around January 1 were similar to Newbills. VB then disappeared when the schedule got hard. Newbill could have very well done the same with us.
Too early to tell if Buzz made the right trade but I'll say yes.
Too bad we could not trade Newbill for Reggie Smith but that was not possible.
Newbill is at Southern Miss. Wilson is at Marquette.
Let's all move on.
Wilson will be much better than Newbill, you can't compare numbers because the leagues are so far apart....it's like the nba vs.the developmental league. Yeah the Tulsa 66ers might knock off the T-Wolves or the Cavs on a given night but overall it's a much higher level.
Lets see Jamil next year if you want to compare. Jamil has tons of upside. I wish both Newbill and Wilson were both here, but it wasn't to be. To bad Reggie ever set foot on campus.
Quote from: esotericmindguy on February 20, 2011, 11:56:41 AM
Wilson will be much better than Newbill, you can't compare numbers because the leagues are so far apart....it's like the nba vs.the developmental league. Yeah the Tulsa 66ers might knock off the T-Wolves or the Cavs on a given night but overall it's a much higher level.
The Pac Ten and CUSA are leagues apart in terms of talent? You sure about that?
Pac Ten ranked 7th
CUSA ranked 8th
Quote from: AnotherMU84 on February 20, 2011, 11:09:47 AM
Too bad we could not trade Newbill for Reggie Smith but that was not possible.
Why was that not possible? Couldn't we have done the same thing with Smith that we did with Brett Roseboro?
Quote from: Marquette84 on February 20, 2011, 12:43:30 PM
Why was that not possible? Couldn't we have done the same thing with Smith that we did with Brett Roseboro?
Buzz was still smarting from all criticism he got here about Roseboro that he "changed" his ways.
Seriously, refresh my memory and correct me ... I thought Smith was already enrolled and therefore it was too late to pull the schollie. They could have ran him off but that would not have freed up a schollie for Wilson. That schollie was was deemed "used" for this year.
That left Buzz with three choices
1) Not take Wilson
2) Run off Newbill to make room for Wilson
3) Run off Crowder to make room for Wilson (as Crowder was also not yet enrolled).
Buzz made the right choice.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on February 20, 2011, 12:35:05 PM
The Pac Ten and CUSA are leagues apart in terms of talent? You sure about that?
Pac Ten ranked 7th
CUSA ranked 8th
Yup, and the mountain west is better then the ACC.If you think that Conference USA and the Big East are even in the same league then you need help.
Quote from: esotericmindguy on February 20, 2011, 02:04:42 PM
Yup, and the mountain west is better then the ACC.
If you think that Conference USA and the Big East are even in the same league then you need help.
I don't think they are in the same league (Big East and CUSA). If you think that CUSA teams are crap, then I think you are short selling them. Let's put it this way, do you think if MU makes the NCAA tournament and plays against a CUSA team (one that is WORLD'S apart from the Big East), we should just steam roll them...right? I mean the talent levels are so different. Should be a walk in the park.
How ironic would it be for us to play Southern Miss in the first round of the NCAAs.
And yes, the Mountain West is better than the ACC this year, at least in the RPI. Top to bottom, they are better.
http://warrennolan.com/basketball/2011/conferencerpi
Quote from: AnotherMU84 on February 20, 2011, 01:08:23 PM
Buzz was still smarting from all criticism he got here about Roseboro that he "changed" his ways.
Seriously, refresh my memory and correct me ... I thought Smith was already enrolled and therefore it was too late to pull the schollie. They could have ran him off but that would not have freed up a schollie for Wilson. That schollie was was deemed "used" for this year.
That left Buzz with three choices
1) Not take Wilson
2) Run off Newbill to make room for Wilson
3) Run off Crowder to make room for Wilson (as Crowder was also not yet enrolled).
Buzz made the right choice.
I don't know--I thought if a player requested a release from his LOI then his scholarship was released as well. Roseboro was on campus for the summer at MU, was released from his LOI prior to the start of the fall classes, and was eligible immediately at St. Bonavenure. If we were ever considered enrolled at MU, he would have to sit out a year and wouldn't have been eligible until the spring the following year (similar to Maymon & Tennessee)
In any event, I'm not even sure that Smith was considered enrolled yet, because Wilson committed to MU (June 29) before the first day of the summer session (July 7).
Quote from: Marquette84 on February 20, 2011, 02:11:55 PM
I don't know--I thought if a player requested a release from his LOI then his scholarship was released as well.
I don't know either, I'm asking ....
If what you said was true, then Smith getting released two days after Christmas would have freed up his schollie immediately. Why didn't Buzz (or anyone else in this situation) sign a Juco or Prep player before the start of the spring semester and make him eligible when classes begin?
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on February 20, 2011, 02:07:08 PM
I don't think they are in the same league (Big East and CUSA). If you think that CUSA teams are crap, then I think you are short selling them. Let's put it this way, do you think if MU makes the NCAA tournament and plays against a CUSA team (one that is WORLD'S apart from the Big East), we should just steam roll them...right? I mean the talent levels are so different. Should be a walk in the park.
How ironic would it be for us to play Southern Miss in the first round of the NCAAs.
And yes, the Mountain West is better than the ACC this year, at least in the RPI. Top to bottom, they are better.
http://warrennolan.com/basketball/2011/conferencerpi
Difference in opinion I guess because I do think E Carlina, Houston, Rice, UCF and Tulane are complete crap, half their conference is awful. The top 3 teams in conference are a combined 1-11 vs. the top 50.
To stay on topic, if Wilson were in the CUSA I think his numbers would much better Newbill's. This is of course is stated without seeing either player actually play! ;D
Quote from: AnotherMU84 on February 20, 2011, 02:20:41 PM
I don't know either, I'm asking ....
If what you said was true, then Smith getting released two days after Christmas would have freed up his schollie immediately. Why didn't Buzz (or anyone else in this situation) sign a Juco or Prep player before the start of the spring semester and make him eligible when classes begin?
No, that wouldn't happen because Smith actually attended class and played in the fall semester. Once a player is enrolled in the fall, that player can't play for another school in the same season in the spring even if he's released, and the school can't fill his scholarship for the rest of the year.
Since Roseboro played at St. Bonaventure the same year, my understanding is that the only way that could have happened is if he was released from his LOI, which means that he didn't use a scholarship even though he was on campus for the summer session.
My understanding is that the point of demarcation is the first day of class of the fall term.
So Buzz could have signed someone in September to fill Roseboro spot had he chosen to?
Same with Mbakwe's spot the year before?
Quote from: esotericmindguy on February 20, 2011, 02:31:07 PM
Difference in opinion I guess because I do think E Carlina, Houston, Rice, UCF and Tulane are complete crap, half their conference is awful. The top 3 teams in conference are a combined 1-11 vs. the top 50.
To stay on topic, if Wilson were in the CUSA I think his numbers would much better Newbill's. This is of course is stated without seeing either player actually play! ;D
Without getting into a comparison of whether CUSA is comparable to the Pac12, we can make a pretty fair comparison using the two schoool's non-conference records.
USM's Non-Conference SOS was 276, Oregon's was 262--pretty comparable
Taking out Newbill's stats against the two non-D1 games USM played, we have him at 28.0 mpg, 8.7 ppg, 6.3 rpg. Wilson posted 19.7 mpg, 6.2 ppg, 4.1 rpg.
Adjusting for minutes, scoring was nearly identical and Newbill was a slightly better rebounder against similar level competition.