Look, expectations for this year are basically where the team is. And they are struggling at the position we all figured (or should have figured) they would....PG. We had two senior PGs last year who understood how to run an offense. We have nobody who can do that this year.
Is some of that coaching? You better believe it. But it's also just a fact of life when your team turns over. Cadougan was lost all year last season. Buycks is no PG. Vander, while struggling, I think still looks like he'll be a baller. We have nobody out there taking charge at the position that touches the ball every possession.
We can all bitch and moan about all the team's problems on D (they have many) and our coaches inability to recognize when to take a time-out, but at the end of the day, our lack of a true PG who can put up more assists than turnovers and knock down an open jumper is what's killing us.
I could not stand the lineup that had Blue AND Cadougan on the court at the SAME TIME!
They're not offensive minded guards! Cadougan is a pass, pass, pass, pass, think about driving, pass PG. Blue is not a PG but he's a Frosh still learning to defend and needs the summer to work on his shot, cuz he has none.
Buycks line tonight says it all.
Wrong!
Defense....St. Johns scores 80? On your home floor? That is the definition of ridiculous. Jason Kidd (10 years ago) could be running this offense and they would still lose.
Quote from: Muhoops85 on February 15, 2011, 10:37:20 PM
Wrong!
Defense....St. Johns scores 80? On your home floor? That is the definition of ridiculous. Jason Kidd (10 years ago) could be running this offense and they would still lose.
agree
Dwight Buycks is the worst guard in the Big East, hands down. Sorry, but it's true. Our defense is also the worst in the Big East, and is the one constant in all of our losses.
Exactly, this is the 1st year in a while where we have crappy point guards . I hope this will get better next year. I don't see it with Cadougan
Quote from: PE8983 on February 15, 2011, 10:43:01 PM
Dwight Buycks is the worst guard in the Big East, hands down. Sorry, but it's true. Our defense is also the worst in the Big East, and is the one constant in all of our losses.
People argue over the tiniest things here but not sure there is any other statement that should receive universal agreement.
Quite honestly, there's a part of me that wishes he pulls a Maymon tomorrow.
Not a shrewd move to give Buycks a scholarship.
Buycks has been bad of late, no question. Cadougan cannot score, and as for Blue, I hate to say it, but whenever he touches the ball I'm legitimately relieved when he manages to pass it to another MU player without turning it over, which is a far cry from being our best recruit in 30 years.
This is the first time this year where I'm starting to resign myself to the fact that this team just doesn't have it.
Only bright spot tonight is that Otule keeps getting better. We have to stop dishing to him off of penetration thoguh, because he can't catch those passes.
Would anyone take Buycks JUCO teammate Dwight Hardy over him at the moment?
My goodness!!! all of a sudden our front court is our strength.
Have not looked at a box score just watch the game on Tivo
Buycks has not hit a shot in weeks tonight he had one pathetic turnover after another and forced passes to guys that were not open time and time again.
Junior after a good decemeber and January has been horrible. he looks like he is going to dribble it off his foot or over his head every time. Can he penetrate without travelling?
DJO is horrendous incredibly loose with the ball and refuses to shoot and plays shitty defense.
Vander should not be on the court. No way Jones si worse than him right now. he either puts up a bad shot or turns it over almost every time he touches it at this point.
Those are our 4 perimeter players they have been absolutely horrendous.
Meanwhile Fulce, Jimmy, Jae, DG, and Otule have been pretty good.
Quote from: CTWarrior on February 15, 2011, 10:51:50 PM
This is the first time this year where I'm starting to resign myself to the fact that this team just doesn't have it.
Only bright spot tonight is that Otule keeps getting better. We have to stop dishing to him off of penetration thoguh, because he can't catch those passes.
Agreed CT. My GF asked what was wrong with the team. I don't know. I don't think it's all Buzz - he's been in lots of close games, but never this many melt downs. I'm left blaming the players, who just don't seem to play well together (even if they all get along just fine).
Also, as many have noted, Otule is developing just fine, but everyone needs to learn which eye is his blind spot, and stop passing it that way!
Somewhere Dandy Don is singin'......turn out the lights
A total of 13 TO's for our guards that says it all. Buzz better get out an get the best possible Juco guard available or next year will be a repeat. It's time to start JC and get him the experience
our 4 guards combined to make 5 shots tonight ....5 for 20+ shots with 14 turnovers and the freshman of the bunch plays the best defense...recipe for losing.
Quote from: Doris Burkes Thong on February 15, 2011, 10:52:43 PM
Would anyone take Buycks JUCO teammate Dwight Hardy over him at the moment?
Ouch. I forgot about that. Has Hardy become the best JC transfer in the conference?
Quote from: rocky_warrior on February 15, 2011, 11:08:05 PM
My GF asked what was wrong with the team.
Perhaps your girlfriend should ask your crack head wife?
Not a PG, but DJO is clueless with what to do with the ball. If he's not going to the rim, he's dribbling it without purposed so much you 'd need to get him a bib to wipe his mouth. Moreover, he was forcing passes and needs to work on a handle that won't get him in trouble.
Having Cadougan AND Blue on the court makes it easy for the opposing defense. Let them shoot and focus on the three others as well as the boards.
NOT a good game plan by Buzz.
QuoteOnly bright spot tonight is that Otule keeps getting better. We have to stop dishing to him off of penetration thoguh, because he can't catch those passes.
+100 (except for the spelling)
Quote from: Niv Berkowitz on February 15, 2011, 10:26:23 PM
We can all bitch and moan about all the team's problems on D (they have many) and our coaches inability to recognize when to take a time-out, but at the end of the day, our lack of a true PG who can put up more assists than turnovers and knock down an open jumper is what's killing us.
Exactly right. Its what I said earlier in the week, and that game last night clearly validated it. That game was awful. I don't necessarily blame Buycks or Cadougan because they are what they are, but it is the number 1 issue with this team.
Quote from: Canadian Dimes on February 15, 2011, 11:17:54 PM
our 4 guards combined to make 5 shots tonight ....5 for 20+ shots with 14 turnovers and the freshman of the bunch plays the best defense...recipe for losing.
Wow. Seeing those stats all in one place is pretty astounding. Might I add we were at home, making any possible excuses for all those turnovers less plausible.
The bottom line is we don't have a legit point guard right know - we all know this to be true because Buycks is our best option.... Poor guy had one of the most horrible games I have ever seen.
Quote from: muwarrior97 on February 15, 2011, 11:15:34 PM
Somewhere Dandy Don is singin'......turn out the lights
Uh..............Dandy Don passed away December 5, 2010. No singin' goin on there....
Quote from: PE8983 on February 15, 2011, 10:43:01 PM
Dwight Buycks is the worst guard in the Big East, hands down. Sorry, but it's true.
Buycks isn't even the worst guard on the team.
Maybe I am wrong, but I think a legitimate concern of this team and going forward is you can't expect to field an exceptionally strong team when your best players are JUCOS. Don't get me wrong, I love that Buzz has gone this route and found some quality players, but JUCOS should rarely be the leaders of your team, I think they are better suited for role players or 2nd options (Jimmy and DJO last year behind Lazar). We are seeing this year that they simply can't be our best players and lead us. Buzz needs to stop relying on JUCOS so much and start to develop more 4 year players.
I would like more HS recruits and if Buzz fills our last two scholarships with JUCOS again, I am really going to start questioning the logic of bringing in that many each year. Also, to whoever said that we need to go grab the best JUCO guard available, remember that Buycks was supposedly the best gaurd coming out of JUCO and rated very high. Just saying...
"Buycks isn't even the worst guard on the team."
Sorry, I should have said "starting guard in the Big East".