Like Marquette, Kansas now has ZERO wins on the road against teams in the RPI Top 50.
Kansas hoped to finally notch an NCAA bid today by getting it's first win of the year against an RPI Top 50 team, but fell to #40 Kansas State by 16 points. Clearly on Selection Sunday they will be told, "I know you have some nice home wins, but clearly you just can't win on the road against a Top 50 team, and don't belong in the tournament."
Clearly Kansas is even worse than another team that will not make the tournament due to no quality road wins - Marquette. The lowest ranked team that MU has lost to on the road was #24 Louisville, which defeated MU by 1. At first glance it may appear that Kansas lost to K-State was even worse than MUs loss to Louisville because it was by 15 more points and against a lower ranked team, however, several MU fans have informed us that MUs one point loss to Louisville was worse because MU led for most of the game rather than being destroyed for 40 straight minutes from the opening tip and losing by 18 points.
At this stage the two failed programs can try to salvage some respect by winning all home games in the NIT and meeting in the NIT final final.
well played bama. ;D
If our 6 toughest road games were the same quality as Kansas, I have to believe we would be 3 - 3 and combined with 3 wins over ranked teams at home, we would be a ranked team.
Ridiculous you say? How did Kansas get to #1? Who did they beat? #4 Texas and #20 Missouri both at home. Well MU beat #15 'cuse, #17 ND and #24 WVU.
Some well needed humor. Good stuff.
Quote from: ZiggysF*ckinFryBoy on February 14, 2011, 10:29:16 PM
well played bama. ;D
Thanks! :D sorry for my incompetence in hitting the teal button while in the headline, but figured this one would be pretty obvious.
More importantly, Kansas State just picked up a huge resume win. They are one of the teams on the bubble as well.
Did anyone see if K State rushed the court after beating number 1 KU? I was playing Racko with my kids so I missed it.
Yeah, they rushed the court.
Quote from: TrueBlueAndGold on February 15, 2011, 12:36:27 AM
Yeah, they rushed the court.
Wow. I guess they missed the guidelines that were posted here the other day on when it's appropriate to rush the court. What a travesty
awesome post bama
BILL SELF should be FIRED!
(and I'm not kidding.)
Quote from: wildbill sb on February 15, 2011, 01:26:55 AM
BILL SELF should be FIRED!
(and I'm not kidding.)
Your view is held by many KU alums.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on February 15, 2011, 01:32:53 AM
Your view is held by many KU alums.
Not surprising to hear, Roy Williams has also caught a bunch of flack by North Carolina fans.
I see the same thing in college football. Les Miles regularly getting ripped on by LSU fans even though he won a national championship and his teams have consistently been really good. Even Urban Meyer caught heat from some Florida fans and the guy won two national championships.
Fans of so many college sports programs often have ridiculous expectations. It's like they feel their program has a near God given right to national championships or in basketball at least a NCAA Tournament berth every season.
If that doesn't happen, the coach has to be an incompetent moron.
I'm not trying to make college basketball or football coaches out to be these super sympathetic figures given the huge amounts of cash most make who have jobs at a big conference university, but man, so many fans of college sports today IMO drive a lot of the sliminess in recruiting and kids being fake students by the never being satisfied enough attitudes toward the programs these type of fans follow.
Quote from: AnotherMU84 on February 14, 2011, 10:29:44 PM
If our 6 toughest road games were the same quality as Kansas, I have to believe we would be 3 - 3 and combined with 3 wins over ranked teams at home, we would be a ranked team.
Ridiculous you say? How did Kansas get to #1? Who did they beat? #4 Texas and #20 Missouri both at home. Well MU beat #15 'cuse, #17 ND and #24 WVU.
Actually Texas beat Kansas.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on February 14, 2011, 10:52:53 PM
More importantly, Kansas State just picked up a huge resume win. They are one of the teams on the bubble as well.
Did anyone see if K State rushed the court after beating number 1 KU? I was playing Racko with my kids so I missed it.
I thought home games didn't count towards a teams tourney resume? ;D
Good analysis, Bama, and I get the satire/sarcasm, but we both know that Kansas will get in long before we do, and will be probably no lower than a 3 seed. If we get in, and that is a big if, we would be about a 10 to 11 seed.
Good catch haywards heros. You are correct that ku is 1-1 at home against rpi top 25 while mu has 3 home wins against rpi top 25.
QuoteDid anyone see if K State rushed the court after beating number 1 KU?
Did anyone get spit on,in the face?
Self has obviously lost his team.
Quote from: marquette99 on February 15, 2011, 07:48:12 AM
Good catch haywards heros. You are correct that ku is 1-1 at home against rpi top 25 while mu has 3 home wins against rpi top 25.
Yes my bad. They did lose to Texas at home.
They also beat #16 AZ (KenPom) on a neutral court last November.
Seriously, other than the fact that they only had one loss, KU has never been tested as they beat up regularly on teams like Nebraska (#48) Baylor (#49) and Michigan (#54). They had no business being #1.
If we played their schedule we would have 3 to 5 losses and be ranked. KU now has two and will still be top 5 next week.
http://kenpom.com/team.php?team=Kansas
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on February 15, 2011, 01:05:36 AM
Wow. I guess they missed the guidelines that were posted here the other day on when it's appropriate to rush the court. What a travesty
I support that rush. They were underdogs and won. They also weren't a top 15 team.
Quote from: marqptm on February 15, 2011, 09:05:46 AM
I support that rush. They were underdogs and won. They also weren't a top 15 team.
They were ranked 3rd in preseason polls. Even if they aren't ranked now, this wasn't a huge upset. Not even close.
Quote from: TrueBlueAndGold on February 15, 2011, 09:14:30 AM
They were ranked 3rd in preseason polls. Even if they aren't ranked now, this wasn't a huge upset. Not even close.
Were they the dogs in the game?
If so, it was an upset.
Quote from: ATL MU Warrior on February 15, 2011, 06:28:11 AM
I thought home games didn't count towards a teams tourney resume? ;D
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Quote from: El Duderino on February 15, 2011, 02:56:16 AM
Not surprising to hear, Roy Williams has also caught a bunch of flack by North Carolina fans.
I see the same thing in college football. Les Miles regularly getting ripped on by LSU fans even though he won a national championship and his teams have consistently been really good. Even Urban Meyer caught heat from some Florida fans and the guy won two national championships.
Not trying to threadjack, I actually think Les Miles is a pretty poor coach. Mich is my CFB team, and I wanted no part of the money and guesswork that comes with the mad hatter. They've had some success, but I think most competent football coaches could recruit and compete there.
PS, maybe Roy will get sick of all the bashing on the UNC fanboards, decide to leave, and come be Buzz's bench/in-game assistant.
Quote from: Slim on February 15, 2011, 07:53:41 AM
Did anyone get spit on,in the face?
There was no video evidence of any such act presented to the coach.
"We won...deal with it."
Quote from: MUBurrow on February 15, 2011, 11:46:06 AM
PS, maybe Roy will get sick of all the bashing on the UNC fanboards, decide to leave, and come be Buzz's bench/in-game assistant.
In all seriousness, see what Lavin is doing at St. Johns. Lavin is trying to assemble a "dream team" of assistants
http://www.sportingnews.com/ncaa-basketball/story/2010-03-31/lavin-says-hes-aiming-for-dream-team-assistant-coaches-st-john
One assistant coach is
Gene Keady, the legendary head of Purdue. He might be more qualified than Lavin.
Interesting story on him today ...
http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2011/02/15/gene-keady-fitting-right-in-with-lavins-red-storm/
Another is
Mike Dunlap, has built a reputation as one of professional and college basketball's leading strategists and on-court instructors.
http://www.redstormsports.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/061510aab.html
He also has
Tony Chiles, He used to work at Iona, bringing in very good NYC talent to the New Rochelle school. Iona won 2 Metro Athletic Conference titles while he was an assistant there. Chiles, touted in the past as a very good recruiter, is noted to not be affiliated with any one NYC AAU or high school program, which will really help new coach Steve Lavin get in with the best players in the city.
http://theeastcoastbias.wordpress.com/2010/04/05/new-st-johns-assistant-tony-chiles/
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If the head coach is the president of most basketball programs, Lavin is setting himself up as the "chairman of the board"
I think this is brilliant and surprised more head guys are not set up like this. Especially young head coaches that go get the "old war horse" that understands various aspects of the game but don't want to deal with recruiting and the media. Just show up in the gym and mold them into a basketball team.
(Buzz was close when he had Dale Layer and I would not mind Layer returning).
Quote from: Aughnanure on February 15, 2011, 11:06:04 AM
And they're morons.
They may be. As a KU alum, I think Self is a good coach and don't mind him. That being said, with the talent level they have and the expectations that go with it, MUCH higher expectations than I have at MU, there is no question that he feels the heat at times.
I stated probably 4 or 5 weeks ago that I think this KU team has some significant flaws in it. Whether that is coaching or player skills is up for interpretation. I would not be surprised to see them exit in the 2nd or 3rd round and I believe I made that statement before they had a loss this season. In the games I've watched, they have a hard time shaking a number of teams that their so called ranking suggests they should shake easily.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on February 15, 2011, 01:57:51 PM
They may be. As a KU alum, I think Self is a good coach and don't mind him. That being said, with the talent level they have and the expectations that go with it, MUCH higher expectations than I have at MU, there is no question that he feels the heat at times.
I stated probably 4 or 5 weeks ago that I think this KU team has some significant flaws in it. Whether that is coaching or player skills is up for interpretation. I would not be surprised to see them exit in the 2nd or 3rd round and I believe I made that statement before they had a loss this season. In the games I've watched, they have a hard time shaking a number of teams that their so called ranking suggests they should shake easily.
Christ Chicos, how many schools did you go to? Starting to sounds like Mbakwe!
Quote from: marqptm on February 15, 2011, 02:03:54 PM
Christ Chicos, how many schools did you go to? Starting to sounds like Mbakwe!
MU Undergrad
KU Graduate School
IU Graduate School
Never been accused of rape...so Trevor has me on that one. I concede, I do like attending college basketball schools rich in tradition.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on February 15, 2011, 01:57:51 PM
They may be. As a KU alum, I think Self is a good coach and don't mind him. That being said, with the talent level they have and the expectations that go with it, MUCH higher expectations than I have at MU, there is no question that he feels the heat at times.
I stated probably 4 or 5 weeks ago that I think this KU team has some significant flaws in it. Whether that is coaching or player skills is up for interpretation. I would not be surprised to see them exit in the 2nd or 3rd round and I believe I made that statement before they had a loss this season. In the games I've watched, they have a hard time shaking a number of teams that their so called ranking suggests they should shake easily.
Is your N = 1 on that alumni survey? Seriously, I go to about 10 KU games a year and know quite a few of their heavy hitter donors and nothing, I mean, nothing could be further from their minds in terms of any type of upset with Self. He is about as far away from a hot seat as a coach can be in a major destination program. When he walks on the court before games he is treated like a rock star. He actually won a national championship when Roy could not at KU....that will never be forgotten...even with the dreadful early exit from the tourney last year. I am an MU alum, through and through, but KU is a fantastic program and I would bet my favorite scotch that Self will be there as long as he wants and will have more national championships to show for it before he is done.
Back to the original thread....thanks for the humor during an awful string of negativity on the board.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on February 15, 2011, 02:15:47 PM
MU Undergrad
KU Graduate School
IU Graduate School
Never been accused of rape...so Trevor has me on that one. I concede, I do like attending college basketball schools rich in tradition.
Any restraining orders outstanding?
Do you now, or have you ever, employed a criminal lawyer on your behalf?
Have you ever been arrested for posting in Face Book?
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on February 15, 2011, 02:15:47 PM
MU Undergrad
KU Graduate School
IU Graduate School
Never been accused of rape...so Trevor has me on that one. I concede, I do like attending college basketball schools rich in tradition.
Well, there's something to shoot for, right? ;D
Great post - Did you ever write for The Onion? Here is a link to an article that originally debuted in The Onlin - for any husband tired of dealing with a constantly talking wife:
http://www.recoilmag.com/news/area_husband_pretends_0702.html
Quote from: murobrob on February 15, 2011, 02:19:17 PM
Is your N = 1 on that alumni survey? Seriously, I go to about 10 KU games a year and know quite a few of their heavy hitter donors and nothing, I mean, nothing could be further from their minds in terms of any type of upset with Self. He is about as far away from a hot seat as a coach can be in a major destination program. When he walks on the court before games he is treated like a rock star. He actually won a national championship when Roy could not at KU....that will never be forgotten...even with the dreadful early exit from the tourney last year. I am an MU alum, through and through, but KU is a fantastic program and I would bet my favorite scotch that Self will be there as long as he wants and will have more national championships to show for it before he is done.
Back to the original thread....thanks for the humor during an awful string of negativity on the board.
Definitely not n=1 but I totally get where you are coming from. His NCAA victory bought him a lot of his status. A few ESPN VP's that I deal with are KU grads and they wonder if the one NCAA championship will keep the school away from winning several because they're stuck with Self. I don't concur, but that is there feeling. I do, however, understand their perspective, much of it set on expectations. This year those expectations are too high by their fans in my opinion. I don't think they're even the best team in their conference, let alone in the land.
Quote from: AnotherMU84 on February 15, 2011, 02:36:57 PM
Any restraining orders outstanding?
Do you now, or have you ever, employed a criminal lawyer on your behalf?
Have you ever been arrested for posting in Face Book?
On advice of counsel, I respectfully assert my Fifth Amendment right against self-incrimination...
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on February 15, 2011, 01:57:51 PM
They may be. As a KU alum, I think Self is a good coach and don't mind him. That being said, with the talent level they have and the expectations that go with it, MUCH higher expectations than I have at MU, there is no question that he feels the heat at times.
I stated probably 4 or 5 weeks ago that I think this KU team has some significant flaws in it. Whether that is coaching or player skills is up for interpretation. I would not be surprised to see them exit in the 2nd or 3rd round and I believe I made that statement before they had a loss this season. In the games I've watched, they have a hard time shaking a number of teams that their so called ranking suggests they should shake easily.
Thats cool and all, but Im from Kansas and have understood for much longer how unbelievably stupid they can be. Bill Self has won what, 6...7 straight Big 12 championships (and were any of them difficult?)? Has dominated at a higher rate than any other KU coach ever. KU fans have been doing this crap for years, they lose a game and start calling for someone's head. They don't win the national Championship and freak out out all over the radio and blogs, etc. Fact is, Bill Self is a fantastic coach who couldnt be a better representative (and coach) for a University, basketball program and athletic department and I want to immediately punch every KU fan that complains about him after a loss (they've only had 2...though yes, they havent played anybody - but thats been a KU secret for years).
Do KU fans have higher expectations than most every other fan base.....well yeah, they better. And so, just like every couple years KU has lost major senior leadership (Morris is no Aldrich or Collins), are not as strong of a contender...but still continuously dominate their conference and are ranked in the top 5. Will they win the national championship this year? Most likely not (like every team), but when was the last time they didnt have a legitimate chance?
Hell the biggest flaw KU has had in the past 20 years is that they dominate their conference too much that by the time they get to the tournament it has been a while since they had played anyone of that championship caliber. What a terrible predicament. So now KU actually has some legitimate competition consistently in conference, and their fans are used to it.
I dont know what you want from a coach, but if your opinion of Self is you "don't mind him," then I'll honestly take your assessments of Buzz as compliments from now on.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on February 15, 2011, 03:26:18 PM
Definitely not n=1 but I totally get where you are coming from. His NCAA victory bought him a lot of his status. A few ESPN VP's that I deal with are KU grads and they wonder if the one NCAA championship will keep the school away from winning several because they're stuck with Self. I don't concur, but that is there feeling. I do, however, understand their perspective, much of it set on expectations. This year those expectations are too high by their fans in my opinion. I don't think they're even the best team in their conference, let alone in the land.
I agree with you Chicos....I think Texas is the clear #1 in that conference this year. I'm also a bit confused on how Selby is or is not developing and being used this year. He was ranked the #1 or#2 player coming out of high school last year and he certainly does not look like a one and done.....granted the start of the year was delayed for him significantly. I do think they have a shot, depending on who they draw in the tournament, to make a nice run. But, neutral court will expose their weaknesses. Face it, there is no place in America like the Phogg....that winning streak was incredible.
I will confess...I did my graduate work at ASU. How that school can not develop a major presence in college hoops is beyond me. Set one foot on campus in Tempe...open eyes and look at coeds.....does recruiting get any easier?
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on February 15, 2011, 09:37:14 AM
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Lame attempt to poke fun at those saying MU needs a quality ROAD win to get into the tourney. We already have the quality home wins (3 of them) but that doesn't seem to be enough for many to consider us a tourney team.
Quote from: ATL MU Warrior on February 15, 2011, 07:39:04 PM
Lame attempt to poke fun at those saying MU needs a quality ROAD win to get into the tourney. We already have the quality home wins (3 of them) but that doesn't seem to be enough for many to consider us a tourney team.
I would say MU still needs a quality road win, especially after tonight.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on February 15, 2011, 10:18:29 PM
I would say MU still needs a quality road win, especially after tonight.
No Sh!t Sherlock