coming from?
Seton Hall at home.
At South Fl?
a week from today
We will not lose to South Florida
Quote from: 4everwarriors on February 02, 2011, 08:16:54 PM
coming from?
Well if we don't get one or two this year our dreams of an NIT invite are over.
Quote from: pillardean on February 02, 2011, 08:34:12 PM
I think we can beat Gtown as well.
No way do we win at Georgetown. This team will finish 9-9, I hope.
Until they decide to commitment to actually playing defense and rebounding they will continue to be average. This team has not been committed to defense under Buzz. They just try to out score everyone.
Quote from: 79Warrior on February 02, 2011, 08:46:34 PM
No way do we win at Georgetown. This team will finish 9-9, I hope.
More negative posters, great. We have a decent shot at winning against Gtown. They have NOT at all been the team people thought they were going to be.
and this team still has a shot at 11-7... if Buzz decides to enforce D.
Quote from: buzzchiapet on February 02, 2011, 09:05:44 PM
and this team still has a shot at 11-7... if Buzz decides to enforce D.
I think that train sailed a long time ago.
Quote from: Rubie Q on February 02, 2011, 09:09:04 PM
I think that train sailed a long time ago.
I disagree completely
Quote from: chren21 on February 02, 2011, 09:14:56 PM
I disagree completely
You think we can change our identity on defense (or, more accurately, establish one) when we've played 3/4 of our games?
Quote from: Rubie Q on February 02, 2011, 09:17:09 PM
You think we can change our identity on defense (or, more accurately, establish one) when we've played 3/4 of our games?
No, but I think 11-7 is very possible even with our ugly defense and rebounding.
Quote from: marquette09 on February 02, 2011, 08:21:32 PM
We will not lose to South Florida
Lets not say that quite yet, they did almost win @Uconn. They're terrible this year anyhow.
Last time we went down there we were 20-2 (9-0) and lost. Not to be negative, just saying.
Quote from: chren21 on February 02, 2011, 09:20:03 PM
No, but I think 11-7 is very possible even with our ugly defense and rebounding.
Fair enough. I was just talking about emphasizing the D at this juncture.
South Florida...
just wanna get to 20 :)
Quote from: Rubie Q on February 02, 2011, 09:31:01 PM
Fair enough. I was just talking about emphasizing the D at this juncture.
MU held Villanova below their season averages in points per game at home (including ppg vs Big East), shooting percentage, three-point shooting percentage, assists and rebounds tonight, and we're griping about the defense?
No, the defense wasn't great by any stretch, but it was adequate. They held Nova at or below their average in every major category, and did it in a building in which they've now won 46 games straight.
Villanova simply was/is the better team.
As for rebounding, given MU's size woes, it's not nearly as bad as some would have us believe. MU's actually sixth in the league in rebounding average, with five our the team's conference games against teams on the plus side of that statistic (i.e. they're not just feasting on poor rebounding teams).
Quote from: Pakuni on February 02, 2011, 09:53:22 PM
MU held Villanova below their season averages in points per game at home (including ppg vs Big East), shooting percentage, three-point shooting percentage, assists and rebounds tonight, and we're griping about the defense?
No. We're simply pointing out that at this late date, defense isn't suddenly going to become the team's calling card. We are what we are.
We are good this season. We have six games we should win and say we win five. That is ten big east wins. Then we should lose to gtown and uconn on the road. We win one and are at eleven and could get a good seed. Tonight was a tough game on the road and we will be fine.
Quote from: Rubie Q on February 02, 2011, 09:09:04 PM
I think that train sailed a long time ago.
Have you looked at the schedule? USF, St John's, Seton Hall twice, Providence, Cincinnati. We should be favored in all six of those games. Avoid the bad loss and we get to 11-7.
Quote from: brewcity77 on February 03, 2011, 04:54:52 AM
Have you looked at the schedule? USF, St John's, Seton Hall twice, Providence, Cincinnati. We should be favored in all six of those games. Avoid the bad loss and we get to 11-7.
This team has clearly demonstrated they can play with any team in this conference. Are they as good as Villanova, Pittsburgh, UConn? Probably not. Are they good enough to go knock off one of those teams on the road? Not quite.
People want to point to close losses as a sign of some sort of coaching deficiency. I'd suggest you can argue just the opposite. This team is in every game, even against better opponents. Some of the second half melt downs have been disappointing, but from an opponent standpoint, I defy anyone to show me the bad loss on MU's schedule this year.
People are upset with losing to Villanova at the Pavillion, or want to read some sort of greater meaning into that? Seriously? We aren't as good as Villanova. Did anyone really not know that 24 hours ago?
Quote from: NavinRJohnson on February 03, 2011, 08:12:35 AM
People are upset with losing to Villanova at the Pavillion, or want to read some sort of greater meaning into that? Seriously? We aren't as good as Villanova. Did anyone really not know that 24 hours ago?
Aside from just a few posts I dont see people "upset". Discussing the loss and wondering what we could have done better to win, yes. This has to have been the least amount of traffic after and during an MU game vs a top 10 team on this site in history. The posts I have read since the game has ended seem to have mostly been very level headed and fair.
Maybe it's cause some people are banned and the posts just are not quite as entertaining?
Quote from: brewcity77 on February 03, 2011, 04:54:52 AM
Have you looked at the schedule? USF, St John's, Seton Hall twice, Providence, Cincinnati. We should be favored in all six of those games. Avoid the bad loss and we get to 11-7.
This is spot on.
The second half of the schedule is more favorable for MU. They've started it 0-1 but it wouldn't be wildly out of context to expect them to finish 6-2 for the 11-7 record.
I still think they can get South Florida and Georgetown. If they do, it provides great momentum with the Johnnies and Hall in town the following week.
Quote from: buzzchiapet on February 02, 2011, 09:05:44 PM
More negative posters, great. We have a decent shot at winning against Gtown. They have NOT at all been the team people thought they were going to be.
and this team still has a shot at 11-7... if Buzz decides to enforce D.
Negative? How about realistic. what have you been watching the past two months. 2-8 against ranked teams is pretty poor. 11-7, not happening.
Quote from: 79Warrior on February 03, 2011, 10:29:24 AM
Negative? How about realistic. what have you been watching the past two months. 2-8 against ranked teams is pretty poor. 11-7, not happening.
Well, lucky for us, they only have 2 ranked opponents left on the schedule. As far as those losses to ranked opponents go (Duke, UW, @Vandy, @Pitt, @UofL, @ND, UConn, @Vill), which of those should they have been expected to win? I see maybe two.
Quote from: Rubie Q on February 02, 2011, 09:09:04 PM
I think that train sailed a long time ago.
If you're going to be so negative, why don't you just make like a tree and get out of here? We need your pessimism like we need a screen door on a battleship.
Quote from: 79Warrior on February 02, 2011, 08:46:34 PM
No way do we win at Georgetown. This team will finish 9-9, I hope.
We're 5-5.
Remaining games:
@UConn
@Gtown
@USF
@Hall
Cinci
STJ
Hall
PC
Which 4 (or more) do you see us losing?
I think we go 6-2 and finish 11-7. The main reason things seem so bad is because our first half BE schedule was packed. The teams we've already played are 52-39 in conference. The teams still to come are 34-46.
Quote from: drewm88 on February 03, 2011, 02:17:51 PM
We're 5-5.
Remaining games:
@UConn
@Gtown
@USF
@Hall
Cinci
STJ
Hall
PC
Which 4 (or more) do you see us losing?
I think we go 6-2 and finish 11-7. The main reason things seem so bad is because our first half BE schedule was packed. The teams we've already played are 52-39 in conference. The teams still to come are 34-46.
I think we go 1-3 on the road and 3-1 at home.
The teeth of the schedule has passed, which IMHO was our last 8 games.
@ Pitt
Notre Dame
@ Louisville
DePaul
@Notre Dame
Connecticut
Syracuse
@Villanova
That's 7 games against nationally ranked teams, 4 of them on the road, and we went 3-5 overall.
From here, the schedule gets a lot easier. Not to say they'll be easy games and this team will cruise, but I'd rather go to Tampa to play South Florida than go to the Joyce Center or that Bandbox in Philly.
4 games at home against relatively weak opposition.
3 winnable games on the road
And a trip to UConn (where we won last year against an admittedly weaker UConn team)
Even the annual bad loss and losing to UConn would still put us at 11-7. The win over Syracuse did a lot to ease my doubts about this team, but make no mistake, I think we will probably finish 10-8, and may need to win a game at the Garden.
Quote from: drewm88 on February 03, 2011, 02:07:54 PM
why don't you just make like a tree and get out of here?
"It's *leave*, you idiot! "Make like a tree, and leave." You sound like a damn fool when you say it wrong."