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Ledo Decommits; Mayo Getting Visitors
BY ADAM ZAGORIA ON JANUARY 31, 2011, 6:08PM
Little more than a month since committing to Providence on Christmas Day, Ricardo Ledo has decommitted.
The No. 2 shooting guard in the Class of 2012 from Fitchburg (Mass.) Notre Dame Prep announced the move on his Twitter.
"I'm no longer a providence friar I decided to open my recruitment back up and view my other options."
Numerous schools were involved with the 6-foot-6 Ledo prior to the commitment, including Louisville, Kansas, Syracuse, Kentucky and UConn.
"He has decided to take a look at his options," Notre Dame Prep coach Ryan Hurd said.
In other Notre Dame Prep news, Hurd said Marquette coach Buzz Williams is expected to watch uncommitted senior guard Todd Mayo Thursday, weather permitting.
West Virginia coach Bob Huggins is due in next week.
Mayo said he plans to visit Baylor Feb. 22. Kansas and Providence are also involved.
"There aren't three guards in the country available better than him," Hurd said.
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Is this O.J. Mayo's younger brother?
Quote from: AnotherMU84 on January 31, 2011, 07:49:32 PM
Is this O.J. Mayo's younger brother?
Yep.
http://www.herald-dispatch.com/sports/x851107196?i=0
He also hails from Lazar's alma mater.
One would think he'd be a pretty good rebounding guard?
Mayo might be a nice addition if he can shot the ball? Anybody seen him play?
Shouldn't we be looking at some traditional guards?
ESPN's eval says he can shoot well from long range
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_r4WjzdAzb0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_r4WjzdAzb0)
Looks to have a nice stroke
Thanks, he has game, he would be a nice fit next year, and probably start
as a sophomore, it would be a good get for Buzz. Like that he is at ND prep,
Lazar I am sure is a folk hero there, so the coach will have nothing against
Buzz, MU, and a few million Lazar has!
I'd be fine with this if we got him
I have seen him play. He has a very good scoring touch. Pretty solid defender. He has a very smooth shot. Kinda small for a shooting guard in my opinion.
how tall is he? Maybe he can play the point?
I like what I've heard about Mayo's skillset, but I remember him being mentioned in all the messy stuff that got USC into trouble over his brother. No idea if there's any weight to him being involved, or if his name just got caught up in something he couldn't control. Buzz does seem to place a high value on character, and there isn't anyone he recruited who hasn't represented Marquette well.
With that in mind, go get 'em, Buzz!
Hope he doesn't use the same gas station as his brother.
Quote from: BCHoopster on January 31, 2011, 10:07:41 PM
how tall is he? Maybe he can play the point?
He was around 6' 4" i believe not 100%. not really a point guard, more of a scorer.
Is he really any better than Newbill?
This is Huggins recruit to lose. OJ and Huggs were tight when OJ was in high school in Cincy (and kansas st). Also the Mayo's originally hail from WV. I don't think we have a chance.
Another switchable with a 'dirty" brother. Move on.
Quote from: willie warrior on February 01, 2011, 07:47:49 AM
Another switchable with a 'dirty" brother. Move on.
You would make a great jury member.
PS: Here is where you respond with some little smarmy remark, with perhaps some kind of smiley emoticon but really we get it gramps. You are bitter at the world, you just figured out the internet about 14 months ago, you are most likely lonely, and come on here to get the rise out of others.
The dirty brother, how about the dirty coach. Do you not think the coach new what was going
on? Or maybe the football coach who hightailed it out of USC.
Quote from: reinko on February 01, 2011, 08:44:35 AM
You would make a great jury member.
PS: Here is where you respond with some little smarmy remark, with perhaps some kind of smiley emoticon but really we get it gramps. You are bitter at the world, you just figured out the internet about 14 months ago, you are most likely lonely, and come on here to get the rise out of others.
Thanks for your psychoanalysis reinko and your slur to elders, and your sanctimonious comment about a jury. Last time I checked, this is not a jury or court but is an opinion board. No I am not bitter at the world like you sound bitter againt "grandparents". Obviously I got a rise out of you.. My opinion is that we have enough switchables already there and coming in, and this guy has some related issues with a brother that may create problems, so why waste time when we should be going after bigs. I have used the internet for a long time, a lot longer than 14 months, but what is wrong with someone that did start using it 14 months ago? Maybe that is a smarmy remark by you. "People in glass houses..." Engage the thought process before you start throwing out insults.
Quote from: willie warrior on February 01, 2011, 09:07:28 AM
1)My opinion is that we have enough switchables already there and coming in,
2)and this guy has some related issues with a brother that may create problems,
1) Please list all the switchables that we will have on the team this time next year.
Blue is a 2. We have no reason to believe that Jones is going to be contributing at the 3 if at all. Can wilson play the 2? He looks like he is 6'9 in the huddle. I don't think this opinion is fact based.
2) Where is this information coming from? What issues?
And as for the we don't need a 2 attitude. If, hypothetically, Jones is never ready to start and Blue goes pro after year 3, Mayo would be a huge get for us.
Quote from: RawdogDX on February 01, 2011, 09:44:53 AM
1) Please list all the switchables that we will have on the team this time next year.
Blue is a 2. We have no reason to believe that Jones is going to be contributing at the 3 if at all. Can wilson play the 2? He looks like he is 6'9 in the huddle. I don't think this opinion is fact based.
2) Where is this information coming from? What issues?
And as for the we don't need a 2 attitude. If, hypothetically, Jones is never ready to start and Blue goes pro after year 3, Mayo would be a huge get for us.
I hope MU lands Mayo, he's essentially a 2G who can score & the roster needs that. I could care less about about his brother and what he did with a dirty coach at USC.
And let's be honest the roster next year is chock full of switchables:
- Jamil Wilson could be a 3 or 4 with this team,
- Jamail Jones is a 2/3,
- Crowder is a 3/4,
- EWill is a 3/4,
- DWilson is a combo guard (certainly not a classic PG, though Benford indicated he is ... encouraging IMHO)
- Juan Anderson is likely a 3/4 early in his career.
Also I'd argue that Vander is an Alpha Guard (ala the Sports Guy's lingo) -- a guard who plays better with the ball in his hands. He is not a classic 2 in that he's a poor shooter but I'd venture to say that few players can keep him from driving. Next year perhaps Vander plays the role Buycks grew into this but relies on a different skill set (ie, drive and dish rather than spot up). I think that's his future, and he'll be excellent.
http://insider.espn.go.com/insider/story?id=5838090
Stock rising
Todd Mayo
(Germantown, Tenn./Notre Dame Prep)
2011, SG, 6-3, 195 pounds
It was ironic that the man with the big name came into the weekend flying a little bit under the radar, but that isn't likely to last much longer. Mayo got off to a slow start on Friday after rolling his ankle on the first possession of the game but had a strong outing on Saturday, showing the ability to score in high volume and the versatility to be equally effective off the bounce or with his jumper. While Mayo is of the combo-guard variety, he played with the ball in his hands for most of the weekend and thrived creating his own offense.
Quote from: willie warrior on February 01, 2011, 09:07:28 AM
Thanks for your psychoanalysis reinko and your slur to elders, and your sanctimonious comment about a jury. Last time I checked, this is not a jury or court but is an opinion board. No I am not bitter at the world like you sound bitter againt "grandparents". Obviously I got a rise out of you.. My opinion is that we have enough switchables already there and coming in, and this guy has some related issues with a brother that may create problems,
Actually, with OJ taking care of him, Todd is likely not going to have the same issues that OJ did with taking improper benefits.
Quote from: NYWarrior on February 01, 2011, 10:02:05 AM
- Jamil Wilson could be a 3 or 4 with this team,
- Jamail Jones is a 2/3,
- Crowder is a 3/4,
- EWill is a 3/4,
- DWilson is a combo guard (certainly not a classic PG)
- Juan Anderson is likely a 3/4 early in his career.
I agree with Jones and Anderson. Wilson: Combo guard is not a 'switchable' as we've been defining it on this board the last 3 years.
Crowder is a SR. I don't think he should be a major factor in our decision. Also, what line up have we played with him at the 3? Have we played CO, OX and him at the same time?
EWill is not a 3, strictly a 4.
If blue ever plays a 3 then we are playing a 3 G lineup, he is not a switchable.
I could look at every team in the country and and just claim that all guys who are 6'4-6'8 are switchables and I'd come up with a list that long. I think it is just our buzzword that we throw at every player and is quickly becoming meaningless.
Quote from: willie warrior on February 01, 2011, 09:07:28 AM
Thanks for your psychoanalysis reinko and your slur to elders, and your sanctimonious comment about a jury. Last time I checked, this is not a jury or court but is an opinion board. No I am not bitter at the world like you sound bitter againt "grandparents". Obviously I got a rise out of you.. My opinion is that we have enough switchables already there and coming in, and this guy has some related issues with a brother that may create problems, so why waste time when we should be going after bigs. I have used the internet for a long time, a lot longer than 14 months, but what is wrong with someone that did start using it 14 months ago? Maybe that is a smarmy remark by you. "People in glass houses..." Engage the thought process before you start throwing out insults.
who said anything about Mayo being a switchable? Every single thing i have read says Mayo is a two.
Buzz likes switchables...and he makes the decisions on who we recruit...so if you have some dislike for switchable than maybe you should root for another team.
Nevertheless, nary a word about Mayo being a switchable...he is a 2G...so you should like him based on the fact that he is not a switchable.
Quote from: NYWarrior on February 01, 2011, 10:02:05 AM
Also I'd argue that Vander is an Alpha Guard (ala the Sports Guy's lingo) -- a guard who plays better with the ball in his hands. He is not a classic 2 in that he's a poor shooter but I'd venture to say that few players can keep him from driving. Next year perhaps Vander plays the role Buycks grew into this but relies on a different skill set (ie, drive and dish rather than spot up). I think that's his future, and he'll be excellent.
Vander can get to rack no problem. The issue currently when he drives is he is often indecisive with the ball (pass or shoot) and he struggles to finish inside currently. Hopefully after a strong off season in the gym he'll be able to remedy the lack of finishing in the paint more and with a year under his belt I would expect the game to slow down considerably for him, which should lead to more decisiveness. His shot is pretty poor currently, but again in time hopefully he can be taught strong techniques that will lead to better percentages for him from outside.
Quote from: Canadian Dimes on February 01, 2011, 10:37:05 AM
who said anything about Mayo being a switchable? Every single thing i have read says Mayo is a two.
Buzz likes switchables...and he makes the decisions on who we recruit...so if you have some dislike for switchable than maybe you should root for another team.
Nevertheless, nary a word about Mayo being a switchable...he is a 2G...so you should like him based on the fact that he is not a switchable.
Personally, I think that Mayo would be a perfect player to bring in as the replacement for DJO. I really don't anticipate DJO going pro early (he's good, but he is still a very poor decision maker at times and he's too small to be given early consideration at the next level)...he may test the draft for the sake of hearing professional scouts' critiques, a la Dominic James, but he'll be here next year.
If we could bring in Mayo and give him one year of competition against DJO every day in practice, this kid (based on the reviews I've read and the highlight video) looks like he'd be the perfect heir for DJO's role as this team's 2 guard...
I really hope we can pry him away from Huggy Bear
I think a lot of people are missing some things on "switchable", the way Buzz uses them.
Buycks starts at the 1 but in many games he plays the 2 or the 3 when we go small.
Blue plays the 2, but also plays the 3 when we go small--depending on who is in there.
DJO normally plays the 2, but sometimes plays the 3--depending on who is on the floor.
Crowder plays the 3, 4 or 5. Same with Butler
And so on. So next year, I believe that the following will be switchables:
Crowder; DJO; Blue; Wilson(he will be used at 3, 4 and 5); EWill (3,4,5); JJones at 2 and 3; Juan Anderson etc.
Put another way, we have a lot of "wing" type players for next year: DJO, Crowder, Blue, JJones, Anderson, and likely Wilson will see action at the wing on occasion. Also, this Singleton fellow is likely a wing. How many more do we need?
That's what college basketball is today willie. It's a point guard, a big man, and a bunch of athletic interchangeable parts that allow you to go small or big - so you need a lot of players to fill basically three positions. For next year, we have two points (Junior and DWill), two big guys (Otule and Ox). That means we have seven players to fill three positions (EWill, Jamil, DJO, Vander, Jae, Jones and Anderson.) And Vander will likely also see time at the point.
So recruiting more wing players isn't that bad of an idea. I personally would like to see a wing and a big of some sort.
Oh and Singleton is a walk-on point guard. Don't worry too much about him.
Willie have u ever played or coached basketball?
Your last post causes me to think the only thing you know about basketball was recently gleaned from a dictionary or maybe an encyclopedia.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on February 01, 2011, 11:45:57 AM
That's what college basketball is today willie. It's a point guard, a big man, and a bunch of athletic interchangeable parts that allow you to go small or big - so you need a lot of players to fill basically three positions. For next year, we have two points (Junior and DWill), two big guys (Otule and Ox). That means we have seven players to fill three positions (EWill, Jamil, DJO, Vander, Jae, Jones and Anderson.) And Vander will likely also see time at the point.
So recruiting more wing players isn't that bad of an idea. I personally would like to see a wing and a big of some sort.
Oh and Singleton is a walk-on point guard. Don't worry too much about him.
OK, I am with you on a wing and a big. I just believe that we need to get a big that can play.
Quote from: Canadian Dimes on February 01, 2011, 12:07:38 PM
Willie have u ever played or coached basketball?
Your last post causes me to think the only thing you know about basketball was recently gleaned from a dictionary or maybe an encyclopedia.
Not sure what post you referred to. Yeah, I played--only coached AAU 8th and 9th graders. By the way, your post causes me to think the same. What's your point? Did you play or coach? And just in case you did not know, there are people coaching at the DI level that never played BBall, except possibly in HS. And no, I am not going to research it.
Quote from: willie warrior on February 01, 2011, 12:51:37 PM
OK, I am with you on a wing and a big. I just believe that we need to get a big that can play.
I don't know how easy you think it is to recruit a big, but Buzz understands the team's need for big men. Just because he targets them does not mean they will end up here or have any interest in playing here. You want a big that can play. There are very few of those in every class and even fewer that want to play in Milwaukee. He's trying to recruit bigs - see Otule Mbao DG blah blah blah. He's been in on bigs Dieng and such. Your posts are not illuminating. Everyone here knows we need a big - the difference is that most of us understand Buzz is doing everything he can to get some serviceable big men and aren't ranting and complaining about it in every post we make. I would take a scoring 2 guard and a switchable wing over a very poor big man / an unused scholarship any day.
The fact that in another post you mentioned this:
Quote from: willie warrior on January 29, 2011, 05:06:45 PM
Congrats to the Warriors and Coach Buzz for finally pulling one of these out. It was not pretty in 2nd half, but we won and that is what counts. Now for some thoughts on Players and where we are at:
Crowder: An absolute stud
DJO: An absolute stud, but lose the stupid three point fouls DJO
Butler: An absloute stud
Buycks: Absolutely not a PG. Give it up Buzz
Otule: A total non factor; 1 rebound in 29 minutes and the tallest guy on the floor. Should only play about 8 minutes a game.
Blue: Totally lost out there, and cannot shoot from anywhere. Should only be playing minimal minutes
Fulce: a role player at best, and should not play in the post
Cadougan: Best ball distributor we have and needs to be on floor more. He can dish to anybody. He does not need to score--leave that to the three studs.
Gardner: Needs to develop but IMO adds more than the non factor Otule
Buzz: Can recruit--switchables, needs to land a quality big to prove his worth in recruiting. At this stage, he is an average coach at best, and is overpaid right now.
At least we finally got one.
Take that Bay-whine.
is totally backwards with the post you made in this thread. So we have 3 players that can score and a 4th that deserves to get decent minutes but shouldn't shoot.
Why, then, would you suggest not adding a player that can shoot and score to our roster for next year? If we got 2 more big men with our scholarships, even dominant one and done players, we need some more players that deserve to be out on the court to spell our 3 players (one of which is graduating) that are any good at all in your opinion.
Look at Mayo as being a replacement for Buycks on the current roster.
Losing Buycks we can certainly use another guard who can score the ball.
Since we have 2 scholarships open taking Mayo wouldn't stop us from also adding a big assuming Buzz can find one that can help us.
Quote from: MuMark on February 01, 2011, 01:31:18 PM
Look at Mayo as being a replacement for Buycks on the current roster.
Losing Buycks we can certainly use another guard who can score the ball.
While having Mayo replace Buycks on the roster would be nice, I hope that Jamail replaces him in the rotation.
Jamil replaces Butler in the rotation not Buycks.
Not sure if Mayo is good enough to get in the rotation right away but I wouldn't be suprised.
Quote from: MuMark on February 01, 2011, 01:48:27 PM
Jamil replaces Butler in the rotation not Buycks.
Not Jamil Wilson...Jamail Jones.
Jones and Buycks are very different players. Buzz wants what he calls a "dribble guy". Somebody they can run a ball screen for. Jones is more of a 3 then a combo guard. I would think he could earn minutes backing up Wilson next year but I don't think he can guard 2's at this level and his handle isn't good enough to play with the ball in his hands like Buycks or DJO.
The real question is how much do Vander and Junior improve on offense this summer? If its quite a bit they will see more minutes next year. If not then some of those minutes are up for grabs.
Should be fun to see how it all plays out.
Can anyone name some players (nationwide) between 6'4 and 6'8 who are not 'switchable'.
Apperently all it means is that they occasionaly, possibly only for a minute or two playing a 2nd position. That is not what I thought before this thread.
Also can anyone verify that EWill plays the 3? Two people have said it. Who was at the 5 & 4 when that happens? I also don't really remember Butler playing 5 this year. I know he did last year.
Quote from: RawdogDX on February 01, 2011, 02:36:15 PM
Can anyone name some players (nationwide) between 6'4 and 6'8 who are not 'switchable'.
Apperently all it means is that they occasionaly, possibly only for a minute or two playing a 2nd position. That is not what I thought before this thread.
Also can anyone verify that EWill plays the 3? Two people have said it. Who was at the 5 & 4 when that happens? I also don't really remember Butler playing 5 this year. I know he did last year.
Not sure if Butler has played the 5 this year, but I have seen some situations where Butler, Fulce, Blue, DJO and either Cadougan or Buycks have been on floor at same time. I would imagine that most often that Fulce is playing the 5, but possibly Butler depending on matchups. EWill plays so sparingly, don't know if he has played the 3, but there could be situations next year that may happen depending on matchups/rotations.
I believe it is Buzz who has been using the term switchables as part of his recruiting philosophy.
As much as I like Vander, a guard that can't shoot from the outside I would say has serious limitations that opponents can prepare for. Off season Vander should work on that jump shot nonstop with shooting coaches.
Sadly, Erik can't handle the 3 or 4.
Quote from: NYWarrior on February 01, 2011, 10:02:05 AM
I hope MU lands Mayo, he's essentially a 2G who can score & the roster needs that. I could care less about about his brother and what he did with a dirty coach at USC.
And let's be honest the roster next year is chock full of switchables:
- Jamil Wilson could be a 3 or 4 with this team,
- Jamail Jones is a 2/3,
- Crowder is a 3/4,
- EWill is a 3/4,
- DWilson is a combo guard (certainly not a classic PG, though Benford indicated he is ... encouraging IMHO)
- Juan Anderson is likely a 3/4 early in his career.
Also I'd argue that Vander is an Alpha Guard (ala the Sports Guy's lingo) -- a guard who plays better with the ball in his hands. He is not a classic 2 in that he's a poor shooter but I'd venture to say that few players can keep him from driving. Next year perhaps Vander plays the role Buycks grew into this but relies on a different skill set (ie, drive and dish rather than spot up). I think that's his future, and he'll be excellent.
Where have you read that Derrick Wilson is anything but a PG?
http://scouthoops.scout.com/2/1019920.html
Plays point, but a scorer = combo guard.