Another meltdown, Buzz. Louisville and now ND
Otule: 0 points; 0 rebounds; 5 fouls. Let's hear it Sultan. Another non factor, or maybe he was the 6th man for ND.
No inside game--Crowder again having to play post. Might as well use the Ox-he would provide more than Otule, even though he is only 1/10 of Otule
Buycks: 2 for 8, making a 30 footer at the end.
Butler was a non factor in 2nd half
Only guy that came to play tonight was DJO
This was pure bull crap, and makes me ill.
Get a clue Buzz.
Outside of his initial gameplanning, Buzz is just not a good coach. When the opponent adjusts, Buzz is helpless. Too many blown leads and meltdowns occurring on his watch.
But he's a great guy and that's all that matters, I guess.
In 7 days time we have had two double digit leads in the second half and lost both games. Frustrating.
Soooo, you are saying, Chicos, that we are playing consistent MU ball under Buzz in the second half?
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on January 22, 2011, 08:19:18 PM
In 7 days time we have had two double digit leads in the second half and lost both games. Frustrating.
Contray to murf, the game is to fast to have a six or seven man roation. We were gassed.
these blown leads are getting very very irritating
The defense sucked in the first half as well.
Quote from: Niv Berkowitz on January 22, 2011, 08:20:16 PM
Soooo, you are saying, Chicos, that we are playing consistent MU ball under Buzz in the second half?
I'm saying we've seen this movie before the last 3 years. Teams make halftime adjustments and for whatever reason we don't seem to have an answer. Frustrating
its begining to be a pattern and not just 'bad luck'.... adjustments need to be made.... study up Buzz!!
Same old story.
Couldn't remember too many trips down the floor in the 2nd half where ND didn't come away with points. Not going to say our 2nd half offense stunk against the zone; having one dunk and nothing else in transition in the second half was the problem and not trying to get to Hansbrough when he was in foul trouble. If we couldn't get a stop, might as well try Ox in the second half in the half court; his defense is bad, but they got points almost every possession as it was.
Otule was pitiful. Butler was a negative from 13:49 in the first half until 23 seconds left in the game.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on January 22, 2011, 08:23:08 PM
I'm saying we've seen this movie before the last 3 years. Teams make halftime adjustments and for whatever reason we don't seem to have an answer. Frustrating
Whatever reason?
The reason is Buzz Williams, plain and simple. He's just not good enough at X's and O's on the fly and his teams look literally helpless when the opponent goes on a run.
People say he's a young coach and needs time, so a new assistant might help him out. Fine, but this group of coaches is not getting the job done.
And Jimmy Butler needs to step up and show some resemblance of senior leadership. He was weak sauce in the second half.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on January 22, 2011, 08:23:08 PM
I'm saying we've seen this movie before the last 3 years. Teams make halftime adjustments and for whatever reason we don't seem to have an answer. Frustrating
It ould be interesting to look at our second half statistics for the last couple of years to see who outscores who and by how many. It does seem at first glance that we do not play as well int he second half in general.
Up 11 and ND goes to zone. No adjustments again and lack of timeout when ND went on first run (after that dunk on miss). Buzz needs some bigtime, experienced assistant on his side.
Butler missed at least six three footers went after ND went to zone and Hansbrough ate him for lunch.
What a great first half, no a tremendous first half. How do the second half letdowns occur????
Otule is the worst center in BE and maybe Div I basketball. The center on Towson or St. Francis is better. Sorry, but enough is enough. No more excuses about injured feet, redshirting, bad eyesight. He appears to be a nice kid, but for a 6ft 11 265 lb player not being able to get one rebound is crazy. Zero points, zero rebounds, five fouls, good grief. He missed another dunk-like shot and when MU was down by four, he fouled Nash with two seconds on the shot clock OUTSIDE the free throw line. Nash makes both, Butler then misses another bunny and then the Nash tip-in. Ball game.
What does it take for the center position, heck put Eric Williams or Gardner in there. Tonight Crowder had to play the post, just like Hayward last year. This time it bit Buzz in the butt because Crowder was fouling ND's bigs. Enough is enough.
Quote from: chapman on January 22, 2011, 08:28:07 PM
Couldn't remember too many trips down the floor in the 2nd half where ND didn't come away with points. Not going to say our 2nd half offense stunk against the zone; having one dunk and nothing else in transition in the second half was the problem and not trying to get to Hansbrough when he was in foul trouble. If we couldn't get a stop, might as well try Ox in the second half in the half court; his defense is bad, but they got points almost every possession as it was.
Otule was pitiful. Butler was a negative from 13:49 in the first half until 23 seconds left in the game.
I counted 28 trips (not possessions) down the court for ND in the 2nd half, and ND scored (FG or FT) on 22 of them or 78%. Brutal defense once again...tired legs, reaching, bad footwork. Just hand full of rebounds as well.
Quote from: nyg on January 22, 2011, 08:34:07 PM
Up 11 and ND goes to zone. No adjustments again and lack of timeout when ND went on first run (after that dunk on miss). Buzz needs some bigtime, experienced assistant on his side.
Butler missed at least six three footers went after ND went to zone and Hansbrough ate him for lunch.
What a great first half, no a tremendous first half. How do the second half letdowns occur????
Otule is the worst center in BE and maybe Div I basketball. The center on Towson or St. Francis is better. Sorry, but enough is enough. No more excuses about injured feet, redshirting, bad eyesight. He appears to be a nice kid, but for a 6ft 11 265 lb player not being able to get one rebound is crazy. Zero points, zero rebounds, five fouls, good grief. He missed another dunk-like shot and when MU was down by four, he fouled Nash with two seconds on the shot clock OUTSIDE the free throw line. Nash makes both, Butler then misses another bunny and then the Nash tip-in. Ball game.
What does it take for the center position, heck put Eric Williams or Gardner in there. Tonight Crowder had to play the post, just like Hayward last year. This time it bit Buzz in the butt because Crowder was fouling ND's bigs. Enough is enough.
I agree but I think Fulce should be in there. He is a rebounder and defender.
The Louisville collapse and tonight is not on Buzz. Tonight, Jimmy got the ball in the middle, which is all you really need to do against that zone, and he didn't score. It's hard to make defensive adjustments when you get called for a foul for breathing on someone.
What do people think that Buzz should have done? Call timeout at some random time? You can't waste timeouts any time you think that the team is going through adversity. On the road, you can't always call timeout to quiet the crowd.
We lost by 5 on the road to #16 ND. Buzz at least met expectations in year 1 and greatly overacheived in year 2. This loss can't be put on Buzz.
agree with almost all that has been mentioned previous. Buzz has no since of momentum, and absolutely no sense of time and score. I guess he follows the Phil Jackson approach of letting them play through the runs. Sorry to tell you Buzz but you have no Kobe, and certainly no MJs on the roster. Make an adjustment. I hear you complain about ND getting 22 FT Attempts in the 2nd half. Switch to a 2-3 for a couple possessions..... do something... the repeative nature of how we lose ballgames is getting old fast. The way we played and the strategy or lack there of in the last 2 mins was pathetic. And it continues to happen.... Sometimes I don't even know why I watch these roadgames
Butler and Buycks hit meaningless threes after the game was decided. It wasn't as close as the final score. We got destroyed. ND went from down 12 to up 5 with 9 minutes still left and we were never in it after that.
Quote from: HoopsMalone on January 22, 2011, 08:41:29 PM
The Louisville collapse and tonight is not on Buzz. Tonight, Jimmy got the ball in the middle, which is all you really need to do against that zone, and he didn't score. It's hard to make defensive adjustments when you get called for a foul for breathing on someone.
What do people think that Buzz should have done? Call timeout at some random time? You can't waste timeouts any time you think that the team is going through adversity. On the road, you can't always call timeout to quiet the crowd.
We lost by 5 on the road to #16 ND. Buzz at least met expectations in year 1 and greatly overacheived in year 2. This loss can't be put on Buzz.
Finally some perspective...much of what' been said and typed in this thread is garbage...or some here really have NO clue about basketball. MU was playing 5 on 8 tonight...ND's 5 + the 3 referees. Simple as that. 36 free throws to 17. Jimmy can't buy a foul underneath..nor Otule..nor Buycks..all who got good looks against the zone..were in the paint..but didn't finish largely due to being fouled..but not getting a call. It was a terribly officiaited game. Period. The deck was stacked against MU right from the start. When is the last time you recall a Buzz Williams team putting the other team in the bonus at the 9:00 minute mark of the first half? When is the last time you saw a Buzz Williams team get out attempted at the free throw line - think it has only happned 1 time this season where the opponent shot more than MU...but his? 36-17 ND?? Please.
Don't make it about the officiating. Yeah the FTs are out of whack, especially considereing in BE play we before tonight avg 19 made, with our opponents only avg. 15 att. But saying it was the officiating is a weak out. You have to ADJUST to the way the game is being called. Both players and coaches. Buzz's repeated look of Oh s**t, not again is easily perceived from TV, I can just imagine what the players and staff think. Don't blame the officiating, it is way more than that.
Outrebounded in the 2nd half 23-11 but 15-3 on the defensive glass against the zone.
http://www.gomarquette.com/sports/m-baskbl/stats/2010-2011/mugame20.html#GAME.BX2
Quote from: TillysDad on January 22, 2011, 09:04:08 PM
Don't make it about the officiating. Yeah the FTs are out of whack, especially considereing in BE play we before tonight avg 19 made, with our opponents only avg. 15 att. But saying it was the officiating is a weak out. You have to ADJUST to the way the game is being called. Both players and coaches. Buzz's repeated look of Oh s**t, not again is easily perceived from TV, I can just imagine what the players and staff think. Don't blame the officiating, it is way more than that.
Get a clue. WE did adjust..we completely stopped defending with the intensity we did in the first half due to ND getting in the bonus at 9 minutes. Hard to stop a team when phantom fouls are getting called. Abromitis dunk attempt comes to mind. Or the foul called that fouled out Jae Crowder - not even close to touching the player. Or Hansbrough getting to the line repeatedly if there was so much as body contact.
Haven't you also mentioned you think MU should have attacked the zone and gotten it to the paint more? Or was that some other moron in this thread? MU did get the ball to the paint against their zone..repeatedly..but when ND can foul you and not get called over and over and over..kind of makes going inside seem dumb too. Ever seen Jimmy Butler miss so many 2 foot shots? Really think a player at his skill level can't convert from 2 feet if he's not getting fouled? Please.
The stats you brought up clearly illustrate the anamoloy this game representd as far as how it was officiated. MU always wins the makes/attempts battle...NEVER, EVER gets outshot 2:1 under Buzz
I agree the team is gassed . weren't several of Jimmy's shots inside the free throw line short? We just don't defend as well in second halves. Buzz has to adjust .. he got outcoached again yhey made the adjustments
I listened to most of the game before watching the last 5 minutes. Seemed to me that Wisconsin native Willem Dafoe summed it up the best in the movie The Boondock Saints when he said "Good shooting, shitty shooting".
We shot the lights out in the first half, we couldn't hit the broad side of a barn int he second. Make some of our shots, we hold on to win.
Though I also think a timeout called after ND trimmed the 12-point lead to 7 was in order. You could hear the crowd rise up behind them and a timeout could have slowed their momentum. Instead, they continued on to a 26-9 run.
Quote from: TillysDad on January 22, 2011, 09:04:08 PM
Don't make it about the officiating. Yeah the FTs are out of whack, especially considereing in BE play we before tonight avg 19 made, with our opponents only avg. 15 att. But saying it was the officiating is a weak out. You have to ADJUST to the way the game is being called. Both players and coaches. Buzz's repeated look of Oh s**t, not again is easily perceived from TV, I can just imagine what the players and staff think. Don't blame the officiating, it is way more than that.
Against the zone, MU wasn't hitting from the outside and wasn't get any calls when attacking the basket.
What adjustments would have liked to have seen made? Break it down for us.
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on January 22, 2011, 09:12:26 PM
Against the zone, MU wasn't hitting from the outside and wasn't get any calls when attacking the basket.
What adjustments would have liked to have seen made? Break it down for us.
+1
And why are so many people wanting to burn through all of our timeouts early in a half?
Quote from: HoopsMalone on January 22, 2011, 09:15:44 PM
+1
And why are so many people wanting to burn through all of our timeouts early in a half?
If the other team scores 4+ points in a row, always call a timeout. It's Basketball 101.
Buzz still hasn't mastered the art of the time out ... I think that's why some people are so frustrated...
Quote from: HoopsMalone on January 22, 2011, 09:15:44 PM
+1
And why are so many people wanting to burn through all of our timeouts early in a half?
It's not about burning through all of our timeouts. It's about using a timeout to stop momentum. When you are in control of a game on the road (12-point lead) and the other team suddenly goes on a quick spurt to cut the lead to 7, bringing the home crowd into it, that's not time to simply play on. You call timeout, you get the crowd to simmer down, and you design a play to re-establish your control of the game. We failed to do that and kept playing not just down to a 5-point lead, but with ND in control of the ball. That's simply poor coaching, and allowed them to get all the momentum.
The other thing is he called an odd time out when things were going well in the first half with about 5 1/2 to go so he couldn't use one at the end of the half when we did our usual end of the half/game let them score and then not get a shot thing.
Quote from: willie warrior on January 22, 2011, 08:14:17 PM
Another meltdown, Buzz. Louisville and now ND
Otule: 0 points; 0 rebounds; 5 fouls. Let's hear it Sultan. Another non factor, or maybe he was the 6th man for ND.
What do you want me to say? Hes our best big.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on January 22, 2011, 11:05:44 PM
What do you want me to say? Hes our best big.
Maybe you should say that you have rethought your opinion after watching his performance and that "No he is not"
When the biggest alleged stud on the floor goes games without a rebound or a point, try something else--give somebody else a chance.
Quote from: MU86NC on January 22, 2011, 09:24:20 PM
Buzz still hasn't mastered the art of the time out ... I think that's why some people are so
In Buzz we trust:Louisville Meltdown
Quote from: willie warrior on January 23, 2011, 07:18:51 AM
Maybe you should say that you have rethought your opinion after watching his performance and that "No he is not"
When the biggest alleged stud on the floor goes games without a rebound or a point, try something else--give somebody else a chance.
I never said he was a stud. I said he was our best big...and he is. (Which is roughly akin to saying that someone is our tallest dwarf.) I have no problem with going small with Jae, but based on recent performance, I do not want to see Gardner on the floor for extended minutes.
Quote from: Ners on January 22, 2011, 08:50:55 PM
Finally some perspective...much of what' been said and typed in this thread is garbage...or some here really have NO clue about basketball. MU was playing 5 on 8 tonight...ND's 5 + the 3 referees. Simple as that. 36 free throws to 17. Jimmy can't buy a foul underneath..nor Otule..nor Buycks..all who got good looks against the zone..were in the paint..but didn't finish largely due to being fouled..but not getting a call. It was a terribly officiaited game. Period. The deck was stacked against MU right from the start. When is the last time you recall a Buzz Williams team putting the other team in the bonus at the 9:00 minute mark of the first half? When is the last time you saw a Buzz Williams team get out attempted at the free throw line - think it has only happned 1 time this season where the opponent shot more than MU...but his? 36-17 ND?? Please.
Ners, stop with the ref's crap. We were playing 5 on 8, blah blah blah. We just are not as good as you think. I will tell you this, if we cannot split the homestand coming up we are going to the NIT. We are not going to get a quality road win the way this team closes out games, so we need to beat somebody at home.
Quote from: 79Warrior on January 23, 2011, 10:09:39 AM
Ners, stop with the ref's crap. We were playing 5 on 8, blah blah blah. We just are not as good as you think. I will tell you this, if we cannot split the homestand coming up we are going to the NIT. We are not going to get a quality road win the way this team closes out games, so we need to beat somebody at home.
+1. Please don't bring the "you don't know basketball" stuff and then start complaining about the refs. I coach it. I ref it. I play it. MU lost this game because of defensive breakdowns, not because of the refs.
@ Sultan - you are right - we need to defend the FT much better. More fans behind the basket. We can't blame the refs for 36 vs. 18 FTs attempts. That is a fair game!
Like this quote from Buzz:
"It is impossible to overcome 22 free throws in the second half, especially on the road in the Big East," he said. "To shoot 22 free throws in 20 minutes is an exorbitant number. If I thought my opinion mattered, I would answer (questions) about it, but I have four kids to get through college."
Quote from: 79Warrior on January 23, 2011, 10:09:39 AM
Ners, stop with the ref's crap. We were playing 5 on 8, blah blah blah.
+1
Quote from: mviale on January 23, 2011, 11:33:03 AM
Like this quote from Buzz:
"It is impossible to overcome 22 free throws in the second half, especially on the road in the Big East," he said. "To shoot 22 free throws in 20 minutes is an exorbitant number. If I thought my opinion mattered, I would answer (questions) about it, but I have four kids to get through college."
I think with his Million plus salary per year he'll be just fine to put those kids through college, even if he was fined $25K. Plus, since he'll be at Marquette as long as we will have him, his kids get free tuition at MU.
Quote from: mviale on January 23, 2011, 11:33:03 AM
Like this quote from Buzz:
"It is impossible to overcome 22 free throws in the second half, especially on the road in the Big East," he said. "To shoot 22 free throws in 20 minutes is an exorbitant number. If I thought my opinion mattered, I would answer (questions) about it, but I have four kids to get through college."
Everyone knows Eddie is the biggest homer in the game, however, the third worst defensively efficient game in 15 years with one of the others also being this year, only three 2nd half defensive rebounds, 8 complete blow by lay-ups by Hansbrough, and with nearly 80% of the ND trips down the court in the 2nd half without a stop--that isn't great for your kid's college bills either. That is actually something Buzz can do something about.
He needs to start following some of his own advice on "wood" and fix his defensive scheme that his talent can play. We had three good games in a row (although 2nd half vs. UL saw no stops too), but he is now going through the BE for the second time against great coaches in these close games who know how to make adjustments. Dead horse from me but a team's defense is the only thing a coach and team can rely on--especially fighting through adversity on the road.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on January 23, 2011, 11:25:42 AM
+1. Please don't bring the "you don't know basketball" stuff and then start complaining about the refs. I coach it. I ref it. I play it. MU lost this game because of defensive breakdowns, not because of the refs.
Gold medal for you Sultan - you play and ref basketball - that's awesome. Sadly, for the team you coach, and the games you referee - you clearly put teams at a disadvantage if you felt the game last night was refereed well. Do you think for maybe just 1 minute the "defensive breakdowns" had something to do with MU being taken out of its defensive style it has played all year? When phantom fouls get called, and you can't so much as breathe on your opponent -without getting whistled - pretty hard to defend with any type of resistance. And you wonder why I question if some here "know basketball?"
Still waiting for one of you dissenters to address how a jump shooting team, with less athleticisim, gets to the line 2 times as many times as a more athletic team, that over a 19 game sample size MAKES 19 free throws to an opponents 15 ATTEMPTS. Please reconcile that, and then proceed with your argument that to assign some blame toward refereeing is "pathetic." This game was a statistical outlier, and off the bell curve for our team's performance all year long with regard to fouls committed/free throw attempts yielded. Do you want to tell all of us - other than CBB, 79 Warrior, and the few other consistent Negative nancy's here how we fouled Abromitis on his dunk attempt? How jae fouled out of the game? How Jae got called for a block when Nash dropped his shoulder and steam rolled him going to the basket? How Otule got hammered in the face going up for a dunk and no call?
Quote from: Ners on January 23, 2011, 12:04:04 PM
Gold medal for you Sultan - you play and ref basketball - that's awesome. Sadly, for the team you coach, and the games you referee - you clearly put teams at a disadvantage if you felt the game last night was refereed well. Do you think for maybe just 1 minute the "defensive breakdowns" had something to do with MU being taken out of its defensive style it has played all year? When phantom fouls get called, and you can't so much as breathe on your opponent -without getting whistled - pretty hard to defend with any type of resistance. And you wonder why I question if some here "know basketball?"
Still waiting for one of you dissenters to address how a jump shooting team, with less athleticisim, gets to the line 2 times as many times as a more athletic team, that over a 19 game sample size MAKES 19 free throws to an opponents 15 ATTEMPTS. Please reconcile that, and then proceed with your argument that to assign some blame toward refereeing is "pathetic." This game was a statistical outlier, and off the bell curve for our team's performance all year long with regard to fouls committed/free throw attempts yielded. Do you want to tell all of us - other than CBB, 79 Warrior, and the few other consistent Negative nancy's here how we fouled Abromitis on his dunk attempt? How jae fouled out of the game? How Jae got called for a block when Nash dropped his shoulder and steam rolled him going to the basket? How Otule got hammered in the face going up for a dunk and no call?
Not sure everyone saw the same game. We had to change our defense, so Frozena would not get quality minutes at the 5.
Modify: Nevermind. My response was too snarky.
Think what you want to think Ners. I'm done.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on January 23, 2011, 11:48:32 AM
Everyone knows Eddie is the biggest homer in the game, however, the third worst defensively efficient game in 15 years with one of the others also being this year, only three 2nd half defensive rebounds, 8 complete blow by lay-ups by Hansbrough, and with nearly 80% of the ND trips down the court in the 2nd half without a stop--that isn't great for your kid's college bills either. That is actually something Buzz can do something about.
He needs to start following some of his own advice on "wood" and fix his defensive scheme that his talent can play. We had three good games in a row (although 2nd half vs. UL saw no stops too), but he is now going through the BE for the second time against great coaches in these close games who know how to make adjustments. Dead horse from me but a team's defense is the only thing a coach and team can rely on--especially fighting through adversity on the road.
Dr. B - You always have good analysis and insight - so I would like to get your opinion on what you feel the team could have done differently defensively to stem the tide - when it was such a quick whistle last night? Do you not feel that the way the game was getting called had something to do with our 2nd half defense being poor? Maybe we could have gone zone - but considering MU nevers plays zone - do you just stick with the girl that you always take to the dance? Syracuse never comes out of its 2-3 zone...thinkUW always plays man to man - some teams just do what they do..and rarely deviate - as to deviate can be going away from your efficieny that gets created from being systematic and one-dimensional.
Quote from: Ners on January 23, 2011, 12:04:04 PM
Gold medal for you Sultan - you play and ref basketball - that's awesome. Sadly, for the team you coach, and the games you referee - you clearly put teams at a disadvantage if you felt the game last night was refereed well. Do you think for maybe just 1 minute the "defensive breakdowns" had something to do with MU being taken out of its defensive style it has played all year? When phantom fouls get called, and you can't so much as breathe on your opponent -without getting whistled - pretty hard to defend with any type of resistance. And you wonder why I question if some here "know basketball?"
Still waiting for one of you dissenters to address how a jump shooting team, with less athleticisim, gets to the line 2 times as many times as a more athletic team, that over a 19 game sample size MAKES 19 free throws to an opponents 15 ATTEMPTS. Please reconcile that, and then proceed with your argument that to assign some blame toward refereeing is "pathetic." This game was a statistical outlier, and off the bell curve for our team's performance all year long with regard to fouls committed/free throw attempts yielded. Do you want to tell all of us - other than CBB, 79 Warrior, and the few other consistent Negative nancy's here how we fouled Abromitis on his dunk attempt? How jae fouled out of the game? How Jae got called for a block when Nash dropped his shoulder and steam rolled him going to the basket? How Otule got hammered in the face going up for a dunk and no call?
I'm honored to have me in your signature....the obsession is complete with you now. By the way, was Warthog in the war?
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on January 23, 2011, 12:40:32 PM
I'm honored to have me in your signature....the obsession is complete with you now. By the way, was Warthog in the war?
Pretty sure that calling people by their first names here - Canadian Dimes - as well as researching a member's last name and subsequently posting numerous pictures of House - which is Lenny's Tap last name - goes way beyond weird and an obsession. As does having some Scooper do an "audit" of the content of another poster's posts - the many times "threatened" analysis of Lenny's Tap post history, etc.
Having said that, I am going to honor my signature and the wise words of Warthog - and not engage in a discussion with you. I will respond to occasional efforts on your part to engage me - but I promise not to proactively engage you CBB. Having said that, there is no obession I have toward you - I've finally just figured out your M.O., and won't respond to your lame attention-starved attempts to stir the pot and make inflammatory statements.
Quote from: Ners on January 23, 2011, 12:04:04 PM
Still waiting for one of you dissenters to address how a jump shooting team, with less athleticisim, gets to the line 2 times as many times as a more athletic team, that over a 19 game sample size MAKES 19 free throws to an opponents 15 ATTEMPTS. Please reconcile that, and then proceed with your argument that to assign some blame toward refereeing is "pathetic." This game was a statistical outlier, and off the bell curve for our team's performance all year long with regard to fouls committed/free throw attempts yielded. Do you want to tell all of us - other than CBB, 79 Warrior, and the few other consistent Negative nancy's here how we fouled Abromitis on his dunk attempt? How jae fouled out of the game? How Jae got called for a block when Nash dropped his shoulder and steam rolled him going to the basket? How Otule got hammered in the face going up for a dunk and no call?
The game is not an outlier when you look at Notre Dame's performance on fouls & FTs for the entire season.
For the year, ND actually gets to the line
more often than we do, commits
fewer fouls than we do, and sends the other team to the line
less frequently than we do.
Despite your claim that a less athletic, jump shooting team should have a disadvantage over a more athletic team, when we incorporate 40 games of data for both teams, the reality suggests otherwise.
You can continue to go with your gut.
Or you can look at the facts, which tell you that:
--Notre Dame is better than we are at drawing fouls and getting to the line themselves
--Notre Dame is better than we are at keeping the other team from getting to the line
It it were one game, I might blame the refs. But this is the game Notre Dame has been playing all season. The only thing at play here is that its the first time we've been on the receiving end rather than the giving end of such a FT disparity.
And it came against one of the handful of teams that is actually better at this approach than we are. Should be no surprise. Time to stop blaming the refs or believing that this is some sort of aberration.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on January 23, 2011, 12:40:32 PM
I'm honored to have me in your signature....the obsession is complete with you now. By the way, was Warthog in the war?
o.k. (kicking self in ass) I'll bite and ask what this has to do with anything?
Quote from: Ners on January 23, 2011, 12:47:39 PM
Pretty sure that calling people by their first names here - Canadian Dimes - as well as researching a member's last name and subsequently posting numerous pictures of House - which is Lenny's Tap last name - goes way beyond weird and an obsession. As does having some Scooper do an "audit" of the content of another poster's posts - the many times "threatened" analysis of Lenny's Tap post history, etc.
Having said that, I am going to honor my signature and the wise words of Warthog - and not engage in a discussion with you. I will respond to occasional efforts on your part to engage me - but I promise not to proactively engage you CBB. Having said that, there is no obession I have toward you - I've finally just figured out your M.O., and won't respond to your lame attention-starved attempts to stir the pot and make inflammatory statements.
Oh Dimes threw the first grenade years ago sugar pie, long before I did. He just gets what comes back to him.
As for Lenny, I was tired of his lying over and over again. Enough was enough.
Keep blaming the refs though, in Warthog's attempts at humor by calling Marquette84, Joanie Harbaugh,he should call you Corey Williams. Or will this be another double standard on this board where calling a poster here Joanie Harbaugh is fine and no one says a thing, but calling someone Corey is borderline douche-baggery? I never did get the official double standard manual that so many here certainly did, or have written on their own.
Hell, we all should. I'm honored to be in your signature, Corey.
Quote from: ATL MU Warrior on January 23, 2011, 01:22:39 PM
o.k. (kicking self in ass) I'll bite and ask what this has to do with anything?
Really?
Quote from: Marquette84 on January 23, 2011, 12:56:12 PM
The game is not an outlier when you look at Notre Dame's performance on fouls & FTs for the entire season.
For the year, ND actually gets to the line more often than we do, commits fewer fouls than we do, and sends the other team to the line less frequently than we do.
Despite your claim that a less athletic, jump shooting team should have a disadvantage over a more athletic team, when we incorporate 40 games of data for both teams, the reality suggests otherwise.
You can continue to go with your gut.
Or you can look at the facts, which tell you that:
--Notre Dame is better than we are at drawing fouls and getting to the line themselves
--Notre Dame is better than we are at keeping the other team from getting to the line
It it were one game, I might blame the refs. But this is the game Notre Dame has been playing all season. The only thing at play here is that its the first time we've been on the receiving end rather than the giving end of such a FT disparity.
And it came against one of the handful of teams that is actually better at this approach than we are. Should be no surprise. Time to stop blaming the refs or believing that this is some sort of aberration.
Or you can just call it the luck of the Irish..and preferential treatment..
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on January 23, 2011, 01:44:27 PM
Really?
I'd say so. Are you saying the nature of warthog's service is somehow relevant to this disagreement with Ners? Or that quoting warthog would be more or less credible based on whether or not he saw wartime action? I'm not accusing or trying to stir the pot, but I simply don't get that comment either.