24 to 5 run in the final five minutes is Buycks fault. He made a mistake but the team should not have been even close to being in that position.
It's not his fault, but that doesn't excuse his poor play with the one point lead.
It doesn't excuse being a turnover machine the whole game, only masked by the fact that we had a huge lead. He made 5 or 6 stupid plays, that was just the one when it mattered.
Damn right it's not Buycks' fault -this one's on BUzz.
Quote from: AnotherMU84 on January 15, 2011, 12:32:02 PM
24 to 5 run in the final five minutes is Buycks fault. He made a mistake but the team should not have been even close to being in that position.
I don't blame DB, though that was a major brainfart at a critical time. No, there are other folks to blame on this one.
Buzz's change of game plan with seven minutes left was the catalyst. You can't put this on any individual player. That was a devastating loss and I can only hope they manage to rebound, learn from it and continue to compete. It's not going to get any easier from here on out.
Buycks made a big layup just before his bad play; give the kid a break.
Quote from: AnotherMU84 on January 15, 2011, 12:32:02 PM
24 to 5 run in the final five minutes is Buycks fault. He made a mistake but the team should not have been even close to being in that position.
He made 2 mistakes. (taking the 3 with 30 seconds to go on the clock) and the other one was the first time i've seen someone do something that stupid.
nomorebuycks must have gotten banned?
Quote from: chren21 on January 15, 2011, 01:08:01 PM
nomorebuycks must have gotten banned?
He did 8-)
Only bright spot about today.
How is this Buzz's fault...did he choke under the pressure - no; did he call for that bone headed lay up attempt - I highly doubt it.
Can we blame this on Buycks...no, you win as a team and you lose as a team...that being said, in the closing minute of a game, I don't care how electric he is out there, he should not be in the game. He's too prone to the mental error and a majority of time reverts to 1 on 5...and that never works as we've seen the last 2 years.
Quote from: DCWarriors04 on January 15, 2011, 03:12:44 PM
How is this Buzz's fault...did he choke under the pressure - no; did he call for that bone headed lay up attempt - I highly doubt it.
Can we blame this on Buycks...no, you win as a team and you lose as a team...that being said, in the closing minute of a game, I don't care how electric he is out there, he should not be in the game. He's too prone to the mental error and a majority of time reverts to 1 on 5...and that never works as we've seen the last 2 years.
Buzz went into shutdown, protect the lead, play not to lose mode waaaaay too early. This one is squarely on Buzz.
Buzz wasn't out there taking the shots or playing D...he's done that before and won games...Buzz did nothing wrong. When you're up by 18 with just under 5 minutes to go, the goal is to take the clock down to 10 or 15 seconds and then run a play. Puts pressure on the defense and take possessions away. Unfortunately, our guys play way behind the 3 pt stripe and then drive with 8 seconds.
Quote from: DCWarriors04 on January 15, 2011, 03:20:33 PM
Buzz wasn't out there taking the shots or playing D...he's done that before and won games...Buzz did nothing wrong.
Completely and utterly false. You don't take the air out of the ball...it makes you passive on offense and slow on defense.
Not to mention he left TOs on the board.
This is on Buzz. We were setting the pace before he took the air out of the ball.
Quote from: DCWarriors04 on January 15, 2011, 03:20:33 PM
Buzz wasn't out there taking the shots or playing D...he's done that before and won games...Buzz did nothing wrong. When you're up by 18 with just under 5 minutes to go, the goal is to take the clock down to 10 or 15 seconds and then run a play. Puts pressure on the defense and take possessions away. Unfortunately, our guys play way behind the 3 pt stripe and then drive with 8 seconds.
Nope. Wrong. We've done that before (FSU, Washington) and had the same result. You don't stop stepping on the opponent's throat until they give up. When Louisville starts making subs, bringing in the bench, then you let up. Not beforehand. Not until the opponent has accepted defeat. Because the second you let a good opponent know that you have given up trying to beat them, that's the moment they'll come back and beat you. We've seen it time and again. Especially on the road when it's so easy for the opponent to get the momentum and crowd on their side.
Bottom line, you don't start playing not to lose until they start playing not to win.
Quote from: brewcity77 on January 15, 2011, 03:27:21 PM
Nope. Wrong. We've done that before (FSU, Washington) and had the same result. You don't stop stepping on the opponent's throat until they give up. When Louisville starts making subs, bringing in the bench, then you let up. Not beforehand. Not until the opponent has accepted defeat. Because the second you let a good opponent know that you have given up trying to beat them, that's the moment they'll come back and beat you. We've seen it time and again. Especially on the road when it's so easy for the opponent to get the momentum and crowd on their side.
Bottom line, you don't start playing not to lose until they start playing not to win.
Especially on the road! That crowd was looking for ANY reason to get excited, and when they did our guys looked rattled. Things snowballed from there.
The other thing is once you got into cruise control to run out the clock, you can't then shfit back into high gear. You're screwed if the other team makes a run.
Quote from: DCWarriors04 on January 15, 2011, 03:12:44 PM
How is this Buzz's fault...did he choke under the pressure - no; did he call for that bone headed lay up attempt - I highly doubt it.
Can we blame this on Buycks...no, you win as a team and you lose as a team...that being said, in the closing minute of a game, I don't care how electric he is out there, he should not be in the game. He's too prone to the mental error and a majority of time reverts to 1 on 5...and that never works as we've seen the last 2 years.
How about calling a timeout in the last 3 minutes to get his team on the same page.
How about in the last 6 minutes we started playing keep away, assuming this was the coach's discretion, he abandon that philosophy at the 5 minute or 4 minute or 3 minute or 2 minute mark?
This isn't the first time this has happened
Quote from: DCWarriors04 on January 15, 2011, 03:20:33 PM
Buzz wasn't out there taking the shots or playing D...he's done that before and won games...Buzz did nothing wrong. When you're up by 18 with just under 5 minutes to go, the goal is to take the clock down to 10 or 15 seconds and then run a play. Puts pressure on the defense and take possessions away. Unfortunately, our guys play way behind the 3 pt stripe and then drive with 8 seconds.
Sure, until the lead get down to six or seven. He never adapted.
Buzz's coaching down the stretch was terrible, like Chicos stated.
MU shot 33% from the field and 24% from three (4 for 17). Almost half the points came from free throws.
MU has a 6 ft 11, 265lb center who can only manage one rebound and not score a field goal. (credit to his free throws though)
MU has a backup point guard who cannot make a field goal.
MU's stud recruit plays five minutes?
Yes, Buycks should have pulled it back out and he is probably getting a well deserved creaming for it, but there are other factors. Losses like this can take a devastating toll on a team, so we will see.
Quote from: DCWarriors04 on January 15, 2011, 03:20:33 PM
Buzz wasn't out there taking the shots or playing D...he's done that before and won games...Buzz did nothing wrong. When you're up by 18 with just under 5 minutes to go, the goal is to take the clock down to 10 or 15 seconds and then run a play. Puts pressure on the defense and take possessions away. Unfortunately, our guys play way behind the 3 pt stripe and then drive with 8 seconds.
Sorry, but Buzz got out-coached on this one.
1) Started the delay way too early and took the team out of their winning rhythm - I know, easy to say, but I was thinking that while it started and so were many many others
2) Buzz had no answer for the run - no adjustments that worked. and the final shot with 4 seconds left by Louisville - wide open lay up becasue we either lost our man or were double teaming someone - I can;t remember. But 15 - point run at this level play you have to stop.
Lot to learn and hopefull all will learn from this catastrophe.
Quote from: nyg on January 15, 2011, 03:43:27 PM
Buzz's coaching down the stretch was terrible, like Chicos stated.
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MU has a 6 ft 11, 265lb center who can only manage one rebound and not score a field goal. (credit to his free throws though)
How dare you criticize In Buzz We Trust, and Otule, all in one post. You, Sir are not a fan.
Bad play by Buycks but when he made his move he thought he had a lay-up. If he scores or gets fouled on that we probably win.
Yes Buzz slowed it down too early and took us out of our rhythm but Louisville got hot at the right time. We played good defense on Knowles but he couldn't miss.