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Try and think about this in the bigger picture and not vote for who has the best record this week.

I voted DePaul as we have played them more than any other team.  Yes, they are down now, but I'll bet they will not be that way much longer

UWM is on there, but no Cincy?

Quote from: reinko on January 10, 2011, 11:47:54 AM
UWM is on there, but no Cincy?

In the 100 years of MU ball, we have played UWM quite a bit. 

Cincy is covered under "other"

The UWM listing there is kind of funny.
I also went with DePaul.  ND and Wisco tied for 2nd.

If it were just BE play, there are so many contenders to make a case for - Louisville (extends prior to BE), Pitt (seems like every game is a war), WV (the running battle with Huggins, part II), etc.  

I would go with ND. We have played them a gazillion times, it is a Catholic institution and is in our conference. After them I would then rank as follows:
Wisky
Depaul
Louisville

ND, Wisco and Louisville.

Quote from: willie warrior on January 10, 2011, 11:54:02 AM
I would go with ND. We have played them a gazillion times, it is a Catholic institution and is in our conference. After them I would then rank as follows:

Funny, I could have written exactly the same thing and concluded it was DePaul.

FYI - On the other side, ND has played MU more than any other team.  I think DePaul is #1 for us.

Since we have seen so much change over the years (changing from independent to a confence member, incl. changing conferences) I think it has really made it hard to say which one school is our biggest rival.  I went with Notre Dame but I can't fault anyone voting for the Badgers.

I have a hard time saying Louisville is our biggest rival because they would not list us as their first or second top rival.  They are so consumed with Kentucky, Indiana, etc.. that I can't put them first.

If you look at many schools, they have one big conference rival, and one out of conference.  No doubt Wisconsin is our biggest non-conference.  To me, Notre Dame would be the in-conference one.  DePaul would be second in-conference followed by Cincy & Louiville.

Viallanova...we both play guard oriented at a small private Catholic school.

We seem to compete for a lot of the same players (we lose more than we win here)

I think for it to be a true rivalry, the other team has to feel the same way. I am not sure  ND considers us their top rival. I think the MU-Wisconsin is our biggest rival due to the mutal dislike each program has towards the other. ND considers us a rival, but not their biggest.

I don't think the ND fan base gets as worked up playing us as we do playing them.  

Quote from: 79Warrior on January 10, 2011, 01:49:46 PM
I think for it to be a true rivalry, the other team has to feel the same way.

If that's the criteria, then MU has no rivals.  Wisconsin would be the closest.  But my vote still goes for ND - even if they don't care (heck, do they even care about hoops at all?), it's the longest running "rivalry".

Edit:  doh - look like DePaul records start 2 years before ND records.  Bah, screw that. I still say ND.

Quote from: 79Warrior on January 10, 2011, 01:49:46 PM
I think for it to be a true rivalry, the other team has to feel the same way. I am not sure  ND considers us their top rival. I think the MU-Wisconsin is our biggest rival due to the mutal dislike each program has towards the other. ND considers us a rival, but not their biggest.

I don't think the ND fan base gets as worked up playing us as we do playing them.  

absolutely, which is why depaul is right up there

To me, teams like Louisville and Cincinnati were circumstantial rivals from ConfUSA days. UC was a bunch of thugs who were typically ranked highly and competed with MU for the top spot in the conference for a few seasons. Louisville is easily hatable due to the presence of their hatable head coach, not to mention MU and Lou had a series of incredibly close, dramatic games. MU-UC and MU-Lou just don't conjure up the same emotions as they did several years ago.

It's often about what's at stake. If, for example, MU spends the next 3-4 years battling St. John's for the Big East title, I'd be willing to bet that St. John's would start being considered one of MU's biggest rivals.

No Spanish O'Donnels?

Cincy was huge in the Great Midwest and Conf. USA days!

do we really even have a rival? I mean UW, UConn, Nova, ND, DePaul, UWM, Pitt UL... I see those games all equally. Even Cuse. I want to beat all of those teams equally.  

Quote from: Ari Gold on January 10, 2011, 02:31:46 PM
do we really even have a rival? I mean UW, UConn, Nova, ND, DePaul, UWM, Pitt UL... I see those games all equally. Even Cuse. I want to beat all of those teams equally.  

You are in the minority.  A UW win means more than depaul win and not just because they are a better team. 
Mine:  UW > UL > PITT > ND.  After that Nova, WV, UConn and GT are all about the same.

Quote from: Ari Gold on January 10, 2011, 02:31:46 PM
do we really even have a rival? I mean UW, UConn, Nova, ND, DePaul, UWM, Pitt UL... I see those games all equally. Even Cuse. I want to beat all of those teams equally.  

Really?  I equate "rivalry" with hatred.  I hate Notre Dame and UW.  I don't hate Villanova, or DePaul at all.  Want to beat them, of course, but a rivalry implies some sort of blood pressure increasing deep dislike.  I know a guy who won't even attend the MU v UW game, because he simply hates UW so much he will not watch them.  Ever.  

I'll say tie between ND and Wisconsin.  ND because of the long standing independent battles before conference play and Wiscy due to them being instate and competing for a lot of the same players.  I hate them both but ND gets the nod in my book for being the most hated.  Agreeing with Sir Lawrence's analysis, I'll go with ND.

I'd say ND.
Wisco is big but ultimately it's ND  that I hate the most. We aren't their biggest rivals because there's no football.
I also hate the snobbery; I always remember the old joke that MU got their student body from all the kids who couldn't get into ND (I got into both and chose MU).
Cincy isn't much of a rivalry any more without Huggiebear there.
Louisville is a great rivalry but doesn't measure up to ND.
DePaul is up there but it's such a commuter-type school compared to ND that its just not the same.
Villanova....no.

The only reason I care about Wisconsin at all is because every time I wear MU garb out in WI I get an earful from a UW-Platteville grad.  Besides that they've been okay at basketball for what, 10 years now?  They can come back in another 90 and I'll re-evaluate.  

Notre Dame is my answer.

Wisconsin hands down.

Public vs. Private

Two major basketball factories in the state.

Both NCAA champions.

ND in-conference and Bucky out-of-conference. 

Gotta go old school - Notre Dame - mostly because of Digger (still!!!)

Bucky is leading with almost 50%.  If the same question was asked on a Badger board, what % would MU get?

Holy Dome University....no questions asked.

They have a racist nickname and mascot.

Notre Dame, no doubt.  Badgers and Pitt next.

The NotreHomos used to come up here and gather at Goolsby's, throwing every napkin in the place in the air when they scored their first hoop....Who couldn't hate that.

They think they're so exclusive.  They are half our size.

To me it is ND without a close second.  When I was at MU, the atmosphere for the ND game was awesome and unrivaled.  I just hope that this has not been lost.

If you gave Wisc fans a list with Marquette on it, I best we finish 1st or second. If you were to just ask, it'd be another football school. It's question bias :)

I chose Bucky because I didn't think ND felt the same way back (and that's the definition of a rivalry to me). After reading some of these comments and thinking back to the game I attended in South Bend two or three years ago, I'd change my vote to ND. We may not be their #1 (again, I'd guess football is king), but their fans were brutal. They feel the rivalry.

Quote from: mu-rara on January 10, 2011, 04:54:10 PMThey are half our size.

In enrollment? Or stature? Certainly not in endowment (the monetary kind, not ... nevermind).


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Interesting. They are practically the same size (11,500 students), but their endowment is 19x larger. $5.5 BILLION. Whoa. ^*



* Citation needed. Wikipedia for the win.

Quote from: Utile et Dulce on January 10, 2011, 05:00:41 PM
In enrollment? Or stature? Certainly not in endowment (the monetary kind, not ... nevermind).


[EDIT]
Interesting. They are practically the same size (11,500 students), but their endowment is 19x larger. $5.5 BILLION. Whoa. ^*



* Citation needed. Wikipedia for the win.

You're right.  I was going off outdated info. 

Even though I despise ND and made it a point to go to the last two MU road games against the Irish to yell at their fans, there is nobody I enjoy beating better than Bucky. UW is MU's biggest rival at this time.

Being removed from Wisconsin for 20+ years has pretty much erased my dislike for the Badgers.  DePaul is our most natural rival, and I for one sincerely hope that they rebuild that program.  That would be good for both schools.

N.D....going back to the days when MU was independent.   I remember getting beat by N.D. all 4 years when I was at MU.....lowlighted by David Rivers whipping in a near half court shot at a key frickin' moment.   I also remember getting "scolded" by a very pious N.D. fan as I was walking in to the MECCA with a F&ck N.D. hat.

ND, Looeyville, Wisconsin...in that order

I also feel its probably a matter of where you're from. MU students from Wisconsin its probably UW. From the Chicago area its probably ND or DePaul. I could be off on that but I feel like most people from the Chicago area or St. Louis (50% of MU students) don't hate Bucky nearly as much.

I hate Becky more than any other, but it's Notre Dame. They are a conference foe as well as a big-time rival. And they've been far more relevant in our history. The Al-Digger rivalry cemented it. Wisco has never had a polarizing figure like that, and even despite their recent success, has simply never been important enough.

But I do hate them with a passion. Even more than I hate ND, probably because I live in Wisconsin and see annoying Vadger fans all the time.

As was pointed out before, Bucky did not go to the NCAA tourney between 1947 and 1994.  I graduated in 1984 and, at that time, Bucky was awful.  They had been very bad for many years, and would be for many more.  The MU/UW game did not generate that much passion as we were on another level compared to them.  Back then it was close to what the UWM game is now.

At the same time, however, Ray Meyer had DePaul consistently ranked #1.  That was THE GAME in the late 1970s/early1980s.  ND, who was also ranked at the time, was a close second.

This is why I picked DePaul.  I will grant you the Bucky game generates more passion NOW.  But if Purnell can turn the program around, the MU/DePaul game will quickly surpass UW to become THE GAME.