Having had to watch the game on DVR delay because of work....
1)DJO looked great tonight. Needless to say it was great having him back just like for UWM. I hope he keeps it going.
2)Butler is out there a lot but seems to sort of 'disappear' for long stretches offensively. I'd love to see him get the ball on the blocks occasionally and be a bit more of a force.
3)The TV feed from TWC was awful. Can't wait for HD, hopefully it will improve.
4)The announcers were comically bad. CaRdougan, Darius Odom, innumerable factual errors, the list goes on and on, it's like they didn't even know our team.
5)Everyone yelling for Junior to get more PT now has a full game to see the effect. Some nice passing, not-awful ball handling, but essentially no threat on offense. With the shot clock under 10 seconds, someone here said it perfectly: It's like we're playing 4-on-5. Why Buycks only played like 6 minutes is beyond comprehension.
6)Vander better forget about getting evaluated for the NBA after the season (althought that 6-step nontravel looked straight out of the big leagues). He is good now, he's going to be very good eventually, but he isn't going to ever play anywhere beyond college until he works an entire offseason on changing his jump/free throw shooting mechanics.
7)Rebounding will continue to hurt us against actually good teams.
8)FT shooting is going to KILL us. 20 of 32 is painful.
And lastly........
JIM BURR WASN'T THERE TONIGHT!
Buycks was sick.
Was it true DB was sick? I didn't hear that until now. That makes a little more sense I guess if it's true.
I liked Vander's play -- he has a nose for the ball and got a lot of good rebounds, and smart, hustle plays that don't show up on the stat sheet. Yes, his free throw shooting was bad, but, overall, I'm a fan.
I like Vander a lot too, he's going to be great for us. He will be outstanding if he can get a jump shot.
He's a solid player but we ain't talking Mike Rosario as far as shooting ability.
When I saw him light it up his junior year in hs that's what i thought he was.
have adjusted expectations.
On defense, 4 turkeys in the first half.
Only 1 turkey in the second half, and it didn't come until about 2 min. left.
Dwight hurt his thigh in practice.
Buzz on postgame.
- Least number of paint touches
- Didn't defend the paint well 35 box touches to 31 non box touches
- Ball screen needs work
- Dwight's "injury"... DG kneed him in practice in the thigh.
- Best practice of buzz's tenure on Monday
- Terrible practice on tuesday
- Buycks helped us even though injured
- Not sure if Buycks will be ready for Sat. Buycks said its really tender and it hurts.
- Homer has a cold
I thought Butler played well tonight and seems like he's back in his element. He had a very quiet 16 points, but at the end of the day, it's still 16 points. When MU can get scoring from DJO and Crowder, Butler can go back to being an outstanding role player as opposed to having to carry the load of being "the man," which is a role that he did not appear comfortable with.
FYI - TWC now has an HD channel (1332).
Im fine with Vander when hes on the court, he plays hard so mistakes will happen from the freshman.
Need DJO to keep this up against the good teams.
If we rebound like today and team like Pitt and ND are going to kill us coming up with length.
Free throws have to improve, but I still love the amount we are getting during games.
DB's injury makes the playing time much more understandable. Thanks.
Quote from: warriors1991 on January 05, 2011, 09:08:51 PM
Was it true DB was sick? I didn't hear that until now. That makes a little more sense I guess if it's true.
Took a knee to the thigh in practice (via Mike Broeker/Todd Rosiak tweets)
Thought we did a great job getting to the line tonight. That was really impressive. We made 2x the free throws that took. 20 of 32 may not look great but we were 16-22 before the last 4 minutes.
Wanted Crowder to get some more looks in the 2nd half. He had the hot hand in the first half.
Turnovers kept the game close in the first half. We were able to cut those down in the 2nd half. It helped us pull away
We were hurt by the lack of in the paint points.
Observations:
1) We need Buycks on the floor - Cadougan is at LEAST still a year away from being a Big East caliber player. Of his 8 assists - i'd say 3 were of a decent degree of skill level -where he did actually help create the shot for the player.
2) Think we are trying to get too exotic in our defensive package with some of the half court trapping. It's causing break downs elsewhere..and our rotations once the trap is beat leave us scarmbling which leads to:
3) Poor rebounding position. Another bad night on the glass for MU.
4) It is clear this team needs DJO to be a superstar for it to be able to win at a high level.
5) Jimmy, Jae, DJO and Buycks are going to have to supply almost all of the teams offense.
6) Vander has a lot of potential, but offensively is NOWHERE near ready to even consider the NBA. That said he is a fantastic defender, and has great court awareness/presence.
Quote from: warriors1991 on January 05, 2011, 09:06:12 PM
3)The TV feed from TWC was awful. Can't wait for HD, hopefully it will improve.
It wasn't just TWC that had a bad feed. I have Cox in CT and it was really choppy. Probably a crappy feed from the Big East Network.
Quote from: Shanunu on January 05, 2011, 09:16:34 PM
It wasn't just TWC that had a bad feed. I have Cox in CT and it was really choppy. Probably a crappy feed from the Big East Network.
And I had it recorded on TWC's new HD channel; it wasn't in HD and the feed was very choppy. Hopefully Saturday will look better.
Mac picked Butler as player of game. He said cause DJO played 36 min with no rebounds and Butler was the only one hitting FT's down the stretch.
Quote from: chren21 on January 05, 2011, 09:19:39 PM
Mac picked Butler as player of game. He said cause DJO played 36 min with no rebounds and Butler was the only one hitting FT's down the stretch.
Clearly Mac is in love with JFB then, because he did the same thing in the WVU game on the radio. Butler rebounds but is essentially nonexistent on offense for 35 minutes and then makes some FTs down the stretch and he's the SOTG? We lose without DJO tonight.
I think it's amazing that Jimmy can score 16 points and seem like 5. He would definitely not have guessed he had that many. I like how he doesn't force it.
Agree that the full court pressure trap idea leaves us too vulnerable down low on defense, when we're not even that good down low on defense in a normal half court set.
Quote from: Shanunu on January 05, 2011, 09:16:34 PM
It wasn't just TWC that had a bad feed. I have Cox in CT and it was really choppy. Probably a crappy feed from the Big East Network.
Watched it on CASN (I think), some Milwaukee non-TWC cable station, and had the same sort of feed. It was sad, the commercials looked better than the game.
Butler was solid tonight, and I think in his element. He's the kind of guy who's willing to step up when we need it, but it's almost like he'd rather not be the focal point. Despite the scoreless first half against WVU, he played a pretty good game. Going scoreless is fine if you are finding your passing targets and aren't forcing bad shots. JFB seems to be proving that he's a smart player who will do what it takes to win, even if it costs him personally in the stat department.
Road win in the BEast with a relatively young team. Granted Rutgers is not an overly intimidating environment by Big East standards, but a great sign that MU wins a game it should, away, even when the game tightened up a bit in the 2nd half. JC, Blue, Crowder, Otule, Gardner with little to no Big East experience and they had significant minutes. Blue's offense is going to come and I love the other things he is doing. He had a couple great boards, some nice passes, good defense and great court awareness. Plus, the fact that he is on the floor for so many minutes indicates he must do very well in practice and shows things that we can not see.
I thought Jr.C was okay and tend to be critical but then I remember that he is maturing right before our eyes...I really can't compare him to other 2nd year players.
I do hope he has some type of offensive game that will develop...like a jump shot.
To whatever voodoo has been in the mix....thank you for returning the real DJO. His confidence is booming again.
Crowder is another that just keeps getting better. I am pleasantly surprised with his 3 point shooting...I was harsh on him earlier in the year for taking those shots and was obviously wrong.
The evolution of this team is going in the right direction. Pitt will be one heck of an indicator of our true competitiveness for a good run in the conference and a possible invitation to the dance.
Quote from: murobrob on January 05, 2011, 09:37:13 PM
Crowder is another that just keeps getting better. I am pleasantly surprised with his 3 point shooting...I was harsh on him earlier in the year for taking those shots and was obviously wrong.
12/13 on his first three point attempt this season. Really wanted to see him touch the ball more in the 2nd half though
E-Will's butt must have red blisters by now, sitting on the bench for most of two years. He's dead wood. Come on E-Will, transfer, so we can get someone who wants to play or comprehend the system.
Norm Roberts doing the post game on SNY: "Buzz Williams' teams are tough, aggressive, and know how to win on the road in the Big East".
Quote from: Earl Tatum on January 05, 2011, 09:49:13 PM
E-Will's butt must have red blisters by now, sitting on the bench for most of two years. He's dead wood. Come on E-Will, transfer, so we can get someone who wants to play or comprehend the system.
You honestly think he does not want to play?
Quote from: Earl Tatum on January 05, 2011, 09:49:13 PM
E-Will's butt must have red blisters by now, sitting on the bench for most of two years. He's dead wood. Come on E-Will, transfer, so we can get someone who wants to play or comprehend the system.
Wow, Fulce knee gives out again and we will need Erik Williams big time. He has been coming along well. My question is :Who do you know that is dying to come to Marquette that is better than Erik Williams?
Big win on the road with our senior guard on the bench with an injury. Caddy with 8 dishes, Vander with five 2nd half boards, and somehow we came back to win the rebounding war 31-29. The first half turnovers, many unforced, are a factor of a tough RU defense (see Nova), our first away crowd, and our senior PG out--yet folks stepped up to get in done. RU had four more field goals made (26-22), the same amount of treys made (9-9), but we won on free throw rate (20 FTM to 9 for RU).
Road wins need grit and we showed it tonight.
If MU starts to play great team defense, and limit unforced TO's, and we learn to put teams away--we will continue to improve and have a say in the BE chase. Lots of headroom to grow vs. Buzz's first two teams.
Took care of business. Ugly at times, very good at times. A win is a win. Expected this win, glad we controlled the entire game and brought a business like approach to the game.
I suspect most of us felt we would be 2-0 at this point, now for a big one on Saturday. Not expecting a win but that would be a gigantic win if the boys can pull it off this weekend.
I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for Buzz to play Eric Williams, especially in Big East games or against decent non-conference opponents.
In 23 Big East games that MU has played in his career, EWill has only seen the floor in 11. Out of 920 minutes of Big East games (that does not include overtime), Williams has played for 45 minutes. He has never played more than 7 minutes (twice), and has played 2 minutes or less 5 times.
In the 10 non-conference games over the past two years against good/decent teams - Bucknell, Xavier, Michigan, Florida State, NC State, Wisconsin, Duke, Gonzaga, Wisconsin and Vanderbilts - he has not played in 7 of them. In the 3 games he did get in, he played a grand total of 6 minutes, with a high of 3 coming in the Bucknell game.
So, throwing in Big East games with decent non-conference games - 33 games - he has played in 14 games, for 51 out of 1,320 minutes (again, not counting any overtime minutes).
Unless something drastically changes, Eric Williams will just continue to absorb splinters.
I think Rutgers deserves some props. I really liked the spark that team had, even though they were undermanned. Marquette played well, except for turnovers. Some of those were self-inflicted but many were because Rutgers was playing very hard. I was happy to see that. I expect they'll beat some people in their gym this season. Nice win.
Quote from: Shanunu on January 05, 2011, 09:16:34 PM
It wasn't just TWC that had a bad feed. I have Cox in CT and it was really choppy. Probably a crappy feed from the Big East Network.
Crappy feed on Cablevision in Connecticut also.
Boy, you Cadougan urinators are brutal. I suspect you are the same ones who urinated on Smith after he decided to transfer.
Cadougan had a great floor game, and played good D. Yet the comments continue, Buyxks should be out there, he is useless from the field, he is chubby, etc. Give the kid some credit
Cadougan was instrumental in this game as about 4 of his assists were to DJO in rythym. He is not needed to score.
When Buycks F's up, not a word is mentioned--when Cadougan F's up the urinating starts.
Quote from: willie warrior on January 06, 2011, 08:26:14 AM
Boy, you Cadougan urinators are brutal. I suspect you are the same ones who urinated on Smith after he decided to transfer.
Cadougan had a great floor game, and played good D. Yet the comments continue, Buyxks should be out there, he is useless from the field, he is chubby, etc. Give the kid some credit
Cadougan was instrumental in this game as about 4 of his assists were to DJO in rythym. He is not needed to score.
When Buycks F's up, not a word is mentioned--when Cadougan F's up the urinating starts.
This team a MUCH better with Buycks on the floor. Junior is at least 1 year away from being a starting caliber Big EAst point guard. He MADE one good play that I can recall and that was a drive and dish to Vander for an easy 2. The other "assists" were merely passing the ball to a red HOT DJO and DJO makeng the shot. Until Junior breaks somebody down off the dribble in the half court, draws defensive attention, and then dishes to a teammate for a good shot..I'm not going to get too excited about his play. Junior looks tentative at best with the ball when being defended aggressivel. All this said, he is basically a freshman in his 14 game..
Quote from: Earl Tatum on January 05, 2011, 09:49:13 PM
E-Will's butt must have red blisters by now, sitting on the bench for most of two years. He's dead wood. Come on E-Will, transfer, so we can get someone who wants to play or comprehend the system.
Uh...no.
He's got time to make an impact.
Quote from: Earl Tatum on January 05, 2011, 09:49:13 PM
E-Will's butt must have red blisters by now, sitting on the bench for most of two years. He's dead wood. Come on E-Will, transfer, so we can get someone who wants to play or comprehend the system.
With a posting like this, the moderators should ban you from this site. The best 7-9 players are going to play, the next have to wait for their opportunity. Williams has progressed from last year and will continue to progress. Dwight Burke virtually did not play his first two years and started most games his next two.
Quote from: Ners on January 06, 2011, 08:31:47 AM
This team a MUCH better with Buycks on the floor. Junior is at least 1 year away from being a starting caliber Big EAst point guard. He MADE one good play that I can recall and that was a drive and dish to Vander for an easy 2. The other "assists" were merely passing the ball to a red HOT DJO and DJO makeng the shot.
Yes DJO was on, but Jr's passes to him were on target, as Willie said, enabling DJO immediately fire. There is more to an assist that just passing the ball to a hot shooter. He also had 1 turnover, 1. That is pretty solid for a PG that was bringing the ball up the floor for 30min.
Quote from: Ners on January 06, 2011, 08:31:47 AM
This team a MUCH better with Buycks on the floor. Junior is at least 1 year away from being a starting caliber Big EAst point guard. He MADE one good play that I can recall and that was a drive and dish to Vander for an easy 2. The other "assists" were merely passing the ball to a red HOT DJO and DJO makeng the shot. Until Junior breaks somebody down off the dribble in the half court, draws defensive attention, and then dishes to a teammate for a good shot..I'm not going to get too excited about his play. Junior looks tentative at best with the ball when being defended aggressivel. All this said, he is basically a freshman in his 14 game..
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Quote from: MU B2002 on January 06, 2011, 08:37:21 AM
Yes DJO was on, but Jr's passes to him were on target, as Willie said, enabling DJO immediately fire. There is more to an assist that just passing the ball to a hot shooter. He also had 1 turnover, 1. That is pretty solid for a PG that was bringing the ball up the floor for 30min.
Yes he only had one recorded turnover, but he had a horrible drive to the hoop that resulted in TO that wasn't counted as one, and at least two other times he narrowly saved his own dribble, and CLANGED two FT's.
So yes, only 1 recorded turnover, but 2 others (horrible drive and missed 2 FT's), and nearly 2 others. Get better DB.
Quote from: bilsu on January 06, 2011, 08:35:32 AM
The best 7-9 players are going to play, the next have to wait for their opportunity. Williams has progressed from last year and will continue to progress. Dwight Burke virtually did not play his first two years and started most games his next two.
Thank you.. There are many of other examples of this happening. I believe Eric will contribute next year. And cross my fingers that it does not happen, but if any injury to Butler or Crowder occurs he will be on the floor this year many a minutes as well.
We shot well on the road (1.19 ppp). Too bad our defense gave up 1.06 ppp.
We had an eFG% of 62%. Too bad we allowed Rutgers to shoot 55% (they avg 50%).
Way sloppy with the ball (26% turnover rate). We lost this factor to RU (23%), but both teams were bad.
Good game for OR% (46% - above average). Bad game for defensive rebounding % (RU had 44%). Kind of a wash.
We won FTR handily. (74% vs 20%)
We won on the road, and I never really felt the game was ever in doubt. But our defense continues to be crap.
Quote from: chren21 on January 06, 2011, 08:46:43 AM
Thank you.. There are many of other examples of this happening. I believe Eric will contribute next year. And cross my fingers that it does not happen, but if any injury to Butler or Crowder occurs he will be on the floor this year many a minutes as well.
I hope you're right. It just has to be terribly frustrating for Williams right now. He was a much, much higher ranked recruit than Dwight Burke, yet Burke through his first two years saw a lot more floor time than Williams has seen. When your coach hardly ever plays you in league games or against good non-conference opponents, that can really wear on your psyche. Hopefully that drives him to work harder in practice.
Quote from: Norm on January 06, 2011, 08:55:54 AM
I hope you're right. It just has to be terribly frustrating for Williams right now. He was a much, much higher ranked recruit than Dwight Burke, yet Burke through his first two years saw a lot more floor time than Williams has seen. When your coach hardly ever plays you in league games or against good non-conference opponents, that can really wear on your psyche. Hopefully that drives him to work harder in practice.
Sorry, but wrong.
Dwight Burke: Freshman Yr, 2005-2006 Avg 5.3 min/per game
Erik Williams: Freshman Yr, 2009-2010 Avg. 5.6 min/per game
Dwight Burke: Soph Yr, 2006-2007 Avg 8.9 min/per game
Erik Williams: Soph Yr, 2010-2011 Avg. 8.89min/per game
http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/marq/sports/m-baskbl/auto_pdf/burke_final.pdf
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/player/profile?playerId=45575
Quote from: reinko on January 06, 2011, 09:03:55 AM
Sorry, but wrong.
Dwight Burke: Freshman Yr, 2005-2006 Avg 5.3 min/per game
Erik Williams: Freshman Yr, 2009-2010 Avg. 5.6 min/per game
Dwight Burke: Soph Yr, 2006-2007 Avg 8.9 min/per game
Erik Williams: Soph Yr, 2010-2011 Avg. 8.89min/per game
http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/marq/sports/m-baskbl/auto_pdf/burke_final.pdf
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/player/profile?playerId=45575
Yeah, but look at those stats. They both played about the same number of games as a freshman (19 v. 20), but Burke played 34 games as a sophomore. Williams is at 11 and *might* get to 20. Minutes per game is only based on the games in which the player plays...not overall number of games.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on January 06, 2011, 09:08:03 AM
Yeah, but look at those stats. They both played about the same number of games as a freshman (19 v. 20), but Burke played 34 games as a sophomore. Williams is at 11 and *might* get to 20. Minutes per game is only based on the games in which the player plays...not overall number of games.
Thanks for the addendum, good points. Hadn't thought about that.
Quote from: reinko on January 06, 2011, 09:09:21 AM
Thanks for the addendum, good points. Hadn't thought about that.
What's this? The two of you discussing an issue, supporting your positions with data and then reasonably considering rebuttal positions and data?
Stop this nonsense. This is an internet message board, for goodness sake. Think of the children!
Look, Williams has his chance next year. We have two frontline players graduating (JFB and Fulce). Everyone knows that Jamil will get significant minutes next year, but that means Williams, Gardner (and maybe Juan Anderson) will be fighting for some time.
Jamail too will get his shot with Buycks leaving...probably even more when DJO leaves a couple years from now.
It's in their hands to step up and show what they can do.
Quote from: StillAWarrior on January 06, 2011, 09:13:06 AM
What's this? The two of you discussing an issue, supporting your positions with data and then reasonably considering rebuttal positions and data?
Stop this nonsense. This is an internet message board, for goodness sake. Think of the children!
You hate Buzz. Tom Crean tans a lot and drinks Diet Coke. Buzz needs to shoot nothing but free throws in practice. We are too small. DJ Newbill. Obama sucks. Bush is an idiot. FIBS. Brewer fans are fat and ugly.
Happy?
Quote from: Ners on January 06, 2011, 08:31:47 AM
He MADE one good play that I can recall and that was a drive and dish to Vander for an easy 2. The other "assists" were merely passing the ball to a red HOT DJO and DJO making the shot.
I disagree and think you are taking several of JR's excellent assists for granted. Right off the cuff I can recall a dribble toward the paint, which caused another defender to collapse, giving extra space to a player (DJO?) on the right wing. JR hit our wing player with a perfect pass resulting in a 3.
I recall another quality pass to DJO, meaning DJO received the ball in rhythm, in perfect position to take the shot and with enough time and space to get it off.
Yes - you can point out that JR has gaps in his game, but don't take his positives for granted. High quality assist passes should not be belittled.
Quote from: MU B2002 on January 06, 2011, 08:37:21 AM
Yes DJO was on, but Jr's passes to him were on target, as Willie said, enabling DJO immediately fire. There is more to an assist that just passing the ball to a hot shooter. He also had 1 turnover, 1. That is pretty solid for a PG that was bringing the ball up the floor for 30min.
Thought Cadougan's passing all night was excellent. He had another great assist when he drove to the FT line, checked toward the bucket to draw in the defender, and passed straight to DJO's chest for an easy pop. It was sublime.
The turnovers are another good story. RU is a good defensive team. Top 5 in the conference. Yes, Cadougan can look jerky at times with the ball in open court but only one turnover in 30 minutes is very good return.
The problem remains that he is an impotent scorer. For many fans, all they can see are points. He has a long way to go but considering the little time he's played perhaps the "a-ha" moment comes soon.
As a compromise between the two of you, they should try to win both at Pitt AND at Louisville. Somebody get Buzz on the phone.
Edited: Not sure how I ended up posting this in the wrong thread. Sorry.
Quote from: Henry Sugar on January 06, 2011, 08:50:19 AM
We won FTR handily. (74% vs 20%)
I think this is the biggest factors in the outcome, despite being mediocre from the FT line. They were forced to make substitutions they might not have wanted to. Ultimately this led to 16 more points from the line than they had.
24 PFs vs 13 is a huge difference.
Jae was our only starter with 4 fouls. They had 2 with 4, and 1 with 5.
(Wow. They shot 32% from the line in 11 attempts. So, quit complaining. :) )
JFB - I agree that he
seems to disappear in games. But at the end of the game, I look at the box score and I wonder how he got the stats he did. He's quieter, but still producing - consistently.
Quote from: T-Bone on January 06, 2011, 09:44:00 AM
I think this is the biggest factors in the outcome, despite being mediocre from the FT line. They were forced to make substitutions they might not have wanted to. Ultimately this led to 16 more points from the line than they had.
24 PFs vs 13 is a huge difference.
Jae was our only starter with 4 fouls. They had 2 with 4, and 1 with 5.
(Wow. They shot 32% from the line in 11 attempts. So, quit complaining. :) )
JFB - I agree that he seems to disappear in games. But at the end of the game, I look at the box score and I wonder how he got the stats he did. He's quieter, but still producing - consistently.
I only saw Wes play one HS game, sectional final against Watertown. Was not really impressed....until I heard the final stats....he had 28 points...the quietest 28 points I ever saw. Don't underestimate quiet points.
We are now 2-1 in the House of Horrors.
Quote from: reinko on January 06, 2011, 09:22:02 AM
You hate Buzz. Tom Crean tans a lot and drinks Diet Coke. Buzz needs to shoot nothing but free throws in practice. We are too small. DJ Newbill. Obama sucks. Bush is an idiot. FIBS. Brewer fans are fat and ugly.
Happy?
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