MUScoop

http://www.gomarquette.com/sports/m-lacros/spec-rel/121610aac.html

Was this rumored, or did this just pop up?

Never knew they were going to do this, but its smart. About time Marquette added another sport, especially one growing as fast as Lacrosse.

There are now 10 Women's Lacrosse teams and 8 Men's in the Big East.

This is a much better idea than adding football, and my guess is a pre-emptive move against any potential BE contraction.

Will this bode well for the building of an MU LAX/Soccer stadium?  Since the university is conducting, "A comprehensive athletic facilities study [that] will focus on the future needs of all student-athletes at Marquette."  Or would that just be referring to practice facilities?

Quote from: Skatastrophy on December 16, 2010, 02:22:51 PM
Will this bode well for the building of an MU LAX/Soccer stadium?  Since the university is conducting, "A comprehensive athletic facilities study [that] will focus on the future needs of all student-athletes at Marquette."  Or would that just be referring to practice facilities?

I think they are worried about the ample amount of room required for the LAX team to stand around in windbreaker jackets and hold their sticks on their shoulders.

Honestly, that's all I ever saw the club team do, so I figure that's standard operating procedure?

Heard Crean pledged 100k for new lacrosse stadium.

Quote from: MU Chi_IL on December 16, 2010, 02:06:29 PM
http://www.gomarquette.com/sports/m-lacros/spec-rel/121610aac.html

Was this rumored, or did this just pop up?

Seems like it was kept incredibly quite, even with the lacrosse community

http://insidelacrosse.com/news/2010/12/16/inside-lacrosse-staff-reaction-marquettes-division-i-lacrosse-announcement

Are the local Indians offended by the white man playing the native game?  What compromises will mu have to make?

Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on December 16, 2010, 02:14:16 PM
This is a much better idea than adding football, and my guess is a pre-emptive move against any potential BE contraction.

I would think that this only strengthens our position in the BEast...

"The addition of men's and women's lacrosse reflects Marquette's continuing commitment to a broad and successful athletics program -- something that has been evident to all of us since the school began competing in the BIG EAST Conference in 2005," said John Marinatto, BIG EAST Commissioner. "As a conference, it elevates the number of lacrosse sponsored programs in our league to 10 on the women's side and eight on the men's side, underscoring the growth and importance of the sport to our membership."

Where will this money come from?

"Both Marquette lacrosse teams will be fully funded with the maximum number of scholarships, and coaches, allowed by the NCAA. The average roster size for a Division I women's lacrosse team is 25.5 student-athletes compared to 44.8 individuals on the men's side, according to the latest NCAA Sports Sponsorship and Participation Rates Report. "

"It is always exciting to create opportunities and positive experiences for student-athletes," said Danielle Josetti, Associate Athletic Director for Compliance and MU's sport administrator for women's lacrosse. "The BIG EAST has a strong reputation in lacrosse and we are prepared to support our teams to be competitive nationally."

Quote from: ZiggysF*ckinFryBoy on December 16, 2010, 02:39:36 PM
Are the local Indians offended by the white man playing the native game?  What compromises will mu have to make?

All I know is, as an American Eagle enthusiast, I am offended that Marquette's representation of the noble bird looks like a chicken

This is a really smart move, IMO. Now MU is above the minimum number of sports offered.

This also tells me that they were starting to get concerned about the future of the BE. 

Quote from: jaybilaswho? on December 16, 2010, 02:40:21 PM
I would think that this only strengthens our position in the BEast...

Yeah, that is what I meant...sorry if it didn't come across that way.

Not as much cost as you would think. Men's DI lax is allowed 12.6 scholarships/team and women's DI is 12 scholarships/team.

This is great news!

Love it

I do hope the administrators realize, however, that Lacrosse is a game invented by the Indians.  Native Americans.  Good to see us honoring Warriors!!


Incidentally, in terms of scholarships the NCAA allows 12.69 men's LAX scholarships and 12 women's scholarships.

My guess is that they can be carved up to give partials to a number of players.  That's done with many other sports at MU.

Should be fun.  Great move by Marquette University!  Applause!

Quote from: Archie on December 16, 2010, 02:52:31 PM
Not as much cost as you would think. Men's DI lax is allowed 12.6 scholarships/team and women's DI is 12 scholarships/team.

This is great news!

FTA:
The average roster size for a Division I women's lacrosse team is 25.5 student-athletes compared to 44.8 individuals on the men's side

So out of 44 individuals on the mens team only 12 will be scholarship student-athletes?

Quote from: foreverwarriors on December 16, 2010, 02:37:27 PM
Seems like it was kept incredibly quite, even with the lacrosse community

http://insidelacrosse.com/news/2010/12/16/inside-lacrosse-staff-reaction-marquettes-division-i-lacrosse-announcement

Best line from that article...

Quote from: Danielle BernsteinMarquette lacrosse is going to be awesome for the game, and they're going to look awesome being awesome.

Damn straight  8-)

Quote from: Skatastrophy on December 16, 2010, 03:03:32 PM
FTA:
The average roster size for a Division I women's lacrosse team is 25.5 student-athletes compared to 44.8 individuals on the men's side

So out of 44 individuals on the mens team only 12 will be scholarship student-athletes?

Chicos is right, they can slice it up any way they want and always do.

Quote from: Archie on December 16, 2010, 03:09:26 PM
Chicos is right, they can slice it up any way they want and always do.

That must make for a much more convoluted recruiting process.

I too am excited by this move.  Kudos Cottingham.

Now just get a hockey team,   balance that out with a women's gymnastics team to get some more hotties on campus.

Did anyone else see the title of this thread and think, "That matchup would be good for basketball in the state of Wisconsin?"

Quote from: MUfan12 on December 16, 2010, 03:33:25 PM
Did anyone else see the title of this thread and think, "That matchup would be good for basketball in the state of Wisconsin?"

+1

Quote from: MUfan12 on December 16, 2010, 03:33:25 PM
Did anyone else see the title of this thread and think, "That matchup would be good for basketball in the state of Wisconsin?"

Actually thought MKE was getting a new direct route to Los Angeles.

This is awesome! Great job, MU, for so many different reasons.

-First of all, LaCrosse is a lot of fun to watch.
-Going balls out and fully funding it shows they're taking it seriously.
-The dearth of the sport on an NCAA level in the midwest, plus the competition the BE provides should give it the potential to be decent a lot faster than it otherwise might.
-MU seems to be aware of the potential danger of conference realignment. They damn well should be, but the fact that this has been in the works for over a year says to me that they've been taking it very seriously.

Now, as Stone Cold said, let's work on hockey. Not to mention speed skating, as was discussed here earlier.

I agree..

We need to go Balls deep on this thing. 

 

Marquette University to Add Men's and Women's Lacrosse
Varsity lacrosse teams will begin competition in 2013



MILWAUKEE -- Marquette University will add men's and women's lacrosse to its NCAA Division I varsity sports offerings, Athletic Director Steve Cottingham announced Thursday. Both teams will begin competition in spring 2013.



"Lacrosse is a thrilling sport, loved by fans and participants, and a natural fit for Marquette," said Cottingham. "The national growth of lacrosse and Marquette's membership in the BIG EAST make this exactly the right time for us to move forward with lacrosse as a varsity sport at Marquette. We are confident we can build programs that compete successfully at the national level."



Lacrosse will become the eighth men's sport to be offered at MU, as well as the eighth women's team to be added, bringing the total number of varsity programs at the university to 16.



Marquette plans to hire head coaches in advance of the 2011-12 academic year to allow the respective coaching staffs to recruit student-athletes for the first season in 2012-13 with varsity competition starting that spring. The Golden Eagles will play as an independent their first season of competition before becoming a full member of the BIG EAST Conference in men's and women's lacrosse in 2013-14.



By adding one of the fastest growing sports at all levels nationwide, Marquette is set to become just the third university (Notre Dame, Detroit) in the five-state region of Michigan, Indiana, Illinois, Minnesota and Wisconsin to offer NCAA Division I men's lacrosse and the fourth (Notre Dame, Detroit, Northwestern) to sponsor Division I women's lacrosse.



There are currently nine BIG EAST schools that sponsor NCAA Division I women's lacrosse, including Cincinnati, Connecticut, Georgetown, Notre Dame, Louisville, Rutgers, Syracuse and Villanova. Loyola-Maryland is an associate member of the conference, competing in women's lacrosse only.



Men's lacrosse was added to the BIG EAST in 2010, increasing the league's total number of sponsored sports to 24. Seven schools in the BIG EAST currently field varsity men's teams: Georgetown, Notre Dame, Providence, Rutgers, St. John's, Syracuse and Villanova.



"The addition of men's and women's lacrosse reflects Marquette's continuing commitment to a broad and successful athletics program -- something that has been evident to all of us since the school began competing in the BIG EAST Conference in 2005," said John Marinatto, BIG EAST Commissioner.  "As a conference, it elevates the number of lacrosse sponsored programs in our league to 10 on the women's side and eight on the men's side, underscoring the growth and importance of the sport to our membership."



The MU athletic department has retained former Loyola-Maryland and Maryland head coach Dave Cottle, who will serve as a consultant during the introduction process. A three-time all-American while at Salisbury State, Cottle went on to lead his teams to a combined 22 NCAA tournament appearances -- including five NCAA semifinal appearances -- as a collegiate head coach.



"Our road to nationally competitive lacrosse programs begins by accessing Dave's incredible wealth of lacrosse knowledge and industry relationships," said Mike Broeker, Deputy Athletic Director and sport administrator for men's lacrosse. "His guidance in helping us identify the right leaders for our new programs is paramount."



Both Marquette lacrosse teams will be fully funded with the maximum number of scholarships, and coaches, allowed by the NCAA. The average roster size for a Division I women's lacrosse team is 25.5 student-athletes compared to 44.8 individuals on the men's side, according to the latest NCAA Sports Sponsorship and Participation Rates Report.



A comprehensive athletic facilities study is already underway and will focus on the future needs of all student-athletes at Marquette.



"It is always exciting to create opportunities and positive experiences for student-athletes," said Danielle Josetti, Associate Athletic Director for Compliance and MU's sport administrator for women's lacrosse. "The BIG EAST has a strong reputation in lacrosse and we are prepared to support our teams to be competitive nationally."



Marquette University is a Catholic, Jesuit university located in Milwaukee, Wis. and is member of the BIG EAST Conference. For more information on Marquette Athletics and Marquette Lacrosse, visit GoMarquette.com.

Woah!  That's actually pretty cool.  I guess all of the facilities are already in place so why not?

Still hoping for hockey at the BC someday........

Quote from: Skatastrophy on December 16, 2010, 03:03:32 PM
FTA:
The average roster size for a Division I women's lacrosse team is 25.5 student-athletes compared to 44.8 individuals on the men's side

So out of 44 individuals on the mens team only 12 will be scholarship student-athletes?

here is the strategic study pdf MU put out on it. They call Lacrosse an equivalency sport which would mean student athletes receive partial athletic scholarships (see reason 3 to start lacrosse at MU)

http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/marq/sports/m-lacros/auto_pdf/strategic_study.pdf

Quote from: Stone Cold on December 16, 2010, 03:40:10 PM
I agree..

We need to go Balls deep on this thing. 

or balls deep in jasmine st. claire....

(http://wiki.muscoop.com/lib/exe/fetch.php/marquette_lacrosse.jpg)

Quote from: ZiggysF*ckinFryBoy on December 16, 2010, 04:07:07 PM
or balls deep in jasmine st. claire....

(http://www.insidescore.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/stacy_keibler_9.jpg)

I'm wondering what the reason is for adding the sports.  I'm sure it will come out.

MU has 14 sponsored sports, the absolute minimum in Division I.  When I left MU we had 16 but they since dropped Rifle and Wrestling.

There have been rumors that there could be a reclassification of DI requiring a higher number of sports which would potentially "push" some DI schools into DII.  There's been a rift with some of the big schools that feel like the smaller schools with a $1 million athletic department are legislating against the $75M + schools and they don't like it.

I have no idea if the NCAA is going in this direction, just rumors I've heard over the years.  Or is it simply a move to show more commitment to the Big East.  Either is plausible as are a number of other reasons.

Whatever it is, wonderful to see a university ADD sports......better yet, a DI university added a men's sport without cutting another.  Almost unheard of in today's day and age.

Quote from: ZiggysF*ckinFryBoy on December 16, 2010, 04:07:07 PM
or balls deep in jasmine st. claire....

We had Courtney Cumz in the office the other day...she and another "Hustler girl" were here doing a promotion on the marketing floor.  That was rather entertaining. 

Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on December 16, 2010, 04:18:19 PM
We had Courtney Cumz in the office the other day...she and another "Hustler girl" were here doing a promotion on the marketing floor.  That was rather entertaining. 

....and they came into your office and demanded a contract or they'd teach you a lesson. 

Right?

Quote from: ZiggysF*ckinFryBoy on December 16, 2010, 02:39:36 PM
Are the local Indians offended by the white man playing the native game?  What compromises will mu have to make?

Well, for one thing, they are insisting Marquette change the name of the Lacrosse team to "Warriors".

QuoteBoth Marquette lacrosse teams will be fully funded with the maximum number of scholarships, and coaches, allowed by the NCAA. The average roster size for a Division I women's lacrosse team is 25.5 student-athletes compared to 44.8 individuals on the men's side, according to the latest NCAA Sports Sponsorship and Participation Rates Report.

Does this mean they will have to add another women's sport to get the additional scholarships?

Quote from: Stone Cold on December 16, 2010, 04:25:30 PM
....and they came into your office and demanded a contract or they'd teach you a lesson.  

Right?

LOL.  They did come into my office, I was on the phone, politely put person on hold and shook both their hands as my boss was laughing her ass off behind them at the surprise visit and the look on my face as these two walked in.  They were in their Hustler t-shirts, etc.  The Adult Content department is three offices over from mine so there's always some interesting traffic and stories that happen on the floor.  

Quote from: drewm88 on December 16, 2010, 03:38:23 PM
Now, as Stone Cold said, let's work on hockey. Not to mention speed skating, as was discussed here earlier.

I would rather dig our claws in deeper to the BEast with another sport than add Hockey (Hockey has their own conferences, right?).  I'm a huge hockey fan, but I deep-down need our bball team to be in a competitive conference.

Did you know, Warrior is brand name for Lacrosse gear.

http://www.shopwarrior.com/WPTM158NV
http://www.warrior.com/

just out of curiousity, why is this a really good thing for MU? (note: I'm not trying to suggest it's a bad thing. I just am not sure of the reasoning behind why it's so good.)

Do any LAX teams make money? Any that aren't Johns Hopkins or Duke? I was under the impression that was the only thing that mattered about "positioning during conference realignment".

Quote from: lawwarrior12 on December 16, 2010, 04:39:36 PM
just out of curiousity, why is this a really good thing for MU? (note: I'm not trying to suggest it's a bad thing. I just am not sure of the reasoning behind why it's so good.)

Do any LAX teams make money? Any that aren't Johns Hopkins or Duke? I was under the impression that was the only thing that mattered about "positioning during conference realignment".

It's a good thing for a few reasons. First, the costs to start are a lot less since the facilities are in place. Being only the 3rd D1 program in the midwest lets MU nab some talent from this area, as well as expanding its reach out east. It's a sport MU can be competitive in from the get go.

Most importantly, I think it helps MU with the Big East. Adding another school is a shot in the arm to the BE in Mens Lacrosse, which just started sanctioning it last year. Also, having a broader offering of sports beyond mens basketball is a positive in our favor in the ongoing realignment.

Quote from: MUfan12 on December 16, 2010, 04:46:21 PM
It's a good thing for a few reasons. First, the costs to start are a lot less since the facilities are in place. Being only the 3rd D1 program in the midwest lets MU nab some talent from this area, as well as expanding its reach out east. It's a sport MU can be competitive in from the get go.

Most importantly, I think it helps MU with the Big East. Adding another school is a shot in the arm to the BE in Mens Lacrosse, which just started sanctioning it last year. Also, having a broader offering of sports beyond mens basketball is a positive in our favor in the ongoing realignment.

I agree with all of this, and I would say that lacrosse is a good choice as it seems to be gaining popularity. Not that it will ever rival the likes of college football or basketball, but playoff games are now showing up on ESPN, the championship game is a lock to be on there, and if we do have some success, it will help raise Marquette's profile.

What's ironic is that the rise in popularity seemed to coincide with the Duke lacrosse team scandal. Who would have thought that such a black eye for the program and sport would be a precursor to a rise in popularity? Not saying they're necessarily directly related, but timing-wise, it is rather interesting.

LaCrosse is fine, but why not baseball and softball??

Quote from: muguru on December 16, 2010, 05:11:26 PM
LaCrosse is fine, but why not baseball and softball??

Wild guess: available facilities, growth of the sports, and conference ties.  Among other things.

Quote from: brewcity77 on December 16, 2010, 04:56:14 PM

What's ironic is that the rise in popularity seemed to coincide with the Duke lacrosse team scandal. Who would have thought that such a black eye for the program and sport would be a precursor to a rise in popularity? Not saying they're necessarily directly related, but timing-wise, it is rather interesting.

Scandal?  The team turned out to be not guilty of anything.  Trumped up charges, etc.  The scandal was the way the team was treated by the university.

Quote from: AZWarrior on December 16, 2010, 05:20:31 PM
Scandal?  The team turned out to be not guilty of anything.  Trumped up charges, etc.  The scandal was the way the team was treated by the university.

Rewriting history? It was a huge scandal. No one will remember how they got screwed by the school and the AG compared to all the allegations, trials, claims, accusations, etc that became the focus for the media for months.

Quote from: muguru on December 16, 2010, 05:11:26 PM
LaCrosse is fine, but why not baseball and softball??

Look at the locations of the best baseball programs and you will find your answer.

Quote from: Aughnanure on December 16, 2010, 05:30:59 PM
Rewriting history? It was a huge scandal. No one will remember how they got screwed by the school and the AG compared to all the allegations, trials, claims, accusations, etc that became the focus for the media for months.

well there was a scandal. but the team was completely innocent.

Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on December 16, 2010, 04:28:51 PM
LOL.  They did come into my office, I was on the phone, politely put person on hold and shook both their hands as my boss was laughing her ass off behind them at the surprise visit and the look on my face as these two walked in.  They were in their Hustler t-shirts, etc.  The Adult Content department is three offices over from mine so there's always some interesting traffic and stories that happen on the floor. 

I'll be sure to come and check out your office floor the next visit into LA.

There should be no need to add anything. Mens and womens lax are both equivalency sports with mens lax getting 12.6 scholarships to fill its pot and the women receiving 12.  The 0.6 difference is present to take into account the numkbers that typically occur on rosters of D1 schools.  Men usually roster between 38-52 whilst women roster no more than 30.

Interesting that MU chooses the Big Man as a consultant.  Cottle certainly knows his sport, but has a lifelong history of flopping in the Big Dance.  I would suggest that on the womens' side of things the adminsitration try to poach Kelly Amonte-Hiller away from Northwestern as she could fill the talent pipelline immediately.  Starting from scratch will be a touhg road esp in the Big East.  Look at Florida's and Louisville's womens programs and on the mens side of things, Jacksonville and Bellarmine. 

There is some good talent in the Midwest but not as good as some of the other non-traditional hotbeds of (for women) Colorado, Cali, Texas and Florida.  For men there are some excellent D1 players from Ga, Cali and Tenn.  Whoever is placed at the helm for the womens team should ensure he/she look south at the Illinois HS players.  New Trier and Loyola Academy have sent a combined total the last two years of 9 players to D1 and this year each has a couple or early commits and a pair waiting on offers.

Overall, this is a good thing for MU. 

Thanks laxer.

Who's the best recruiting assistant of the midwest for men's lax?  That's who Cottingham will hire. 

Awesome. Always good to see MU become competitive at the National Level in more sports. We're gonna take down Johns Hopkins and Duke!
one step closer to adding football

Time to make some recruiting trips to upstate NY/Long island & the DC area.  Being from Rochester I can pledge few areas outside of those above can offer the talent we will need to compete against Syracuse and other national programs.

Quote from: Aughnanure on December 16, 2010, 05:30:59 PM
Rewriting history? It was a huge scandal. No one will remember how they got screwed by the school and the AG compared to all the allegations, trials, claims, accusations, etc that became the focus for the media for months.

I disagree, I think MOST people remember how they got screwed and were steamrolled by the University, the Professors (with their ad that pronounced them guilty before they even had a trial), and the subsequent ousting of a rogue DA.

Most people see it as a complete screwing of the team by the media, Academia, etc who were quick to judge.

USC women just added a program as well.

Quote from: CAINMUTINY on December 16, 2010, 06:13:03 PM
Time to make some recruiting trips to upstate NY/Long island & the DC area.  Being from Rochester I can pledge few areas outside of those above can offer the talent we will need to compete against Syracuse and other national programs.

Agree, though it's become quite the sport out here on the west coast as well.

Quote from: 4everwarriors on December 16, 2010, 05:41:41 PM


I'll be sure to come and check out your office floor the next visit into LA.

Next time we have a Programmers Fair come on out.  All the programmers from HBO, Starz to ESPN, Hustler, Penthouse, Playboy, etc are here and we get to rub elbows for a few hours.  Typically they send "talent" to those fairs so we can get photos, etc with them.  It's rather entertaining, especially for a company that is mostly engineers...watching those guys with Miss July Penthouse Pet and taking a photo with her....well, you would think they won the lottery.  LOL

I will plead ignorance on the quality of lax recruits out west, however per capita it is hard to beat the state of New York. 

There are a number of Cali men playing D1, along with a few from Texas.  (Ignoring his personal problems, Will Yeatman was a prolific attackman for the Irish before he withdrew and went to Maryland - under Cottle.) On the womens side, lots of new recruits are from Tex, Cali, Colo and now Fla.  Insofar as coaches are concerned, Cottingham should travel 2.2 hours SE and stop off in the Bend and talk shop with Notre Dame Assistant Gerry Byrne, who is from Levittown on Strong Island.  Byrnsie is also the defensive coordinator for the Irish and is responsible for their performance the last few years.  Byrnsie, at Notre Dame, obviously has the experience at a Catholic institution and a Big East member.  There are a number of former Northwestrn playesr that would make highly capable assitant coaches for the womens team.  Marquette already has a high profile in the Northeast esp in the New York, so recruiting could be a bit easier than at Michigan if they were to add lax.   Think of it: new program in the Big East with ND, Cuse and Gtown, and playing time wide, wide, wide open. 

I am sure all of the financial aspects of this are being figured out, but adding these two sports will cost close to 2 million dollars a year when figuring in the total costs of scholarships, coaches, travel and equipment.  That is a lot of added buget money to a smaller athletic department with no football revenue and some sports already not being fully funded.  Also, there will be a need for two new locker rooms and coaches offices, which the Marquette Gym and Al McGuire center do not have extra space for.  The training rooms and academic support facilities will need to be able to accommodate another 70 or more athletes, which the current facilities do not have the extra room for or the staff.  So finding space for these teams will also cost quite a bit of upfront money.  

With all of that said, this has to be about keeping the Big East happy, because financially it doesn't make sense for the athletic department to add over a million dollars a year to its budget in addition to the upfront costs.  However, if Marquette had to leave the Big East it would ultimately cost the University far more in lost revenue and prestige.  So despite not knowing the exact reasoning for this, it looks like this is a good proactive move to help ensure our future in the Big East.  

Here's an interesting conversation going on about Marquette lacrosse from some guys who sound like they know the sport.  


http://network.laxpower.com/laxforum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=41828&start=0&st=0&sk=t&sd=a (http://network.laxpower.com/laxforum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=41828&start=0&st=0&sk=t&sd=a)


http://insidelacrosse.com/news/2010/12/16/inside-lacrosse-staff-reaction-marquettes-division-i-lacrosse-announcement (http://insidelacrosse.com/news/2010/12/16/inside-lacrosse-staff-reaction-marquettes-division-i-lacrosse-announcement)

Quote from: Stone Cold on December 16, 2010, 05:49:15 PM
Who's the best recruiting assistant of the midwest for men's lax?  That's who Cottingham will hire. 

The process is flawed!!!!!!!

Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on December 16, 2010, 06:43:03 PM
I disagree, I think MOST people remember how they got screwed and were steamrolled by the University, the Professors (with their ad that pronounced them guilty before they even had a trial), and the subsequent ousting of a rogue DA.

Most people see it as a complete screwing of the team by the media, Academia, etc who were quick to judge.

How much media time was devoted to their innocence? How much media time was devoted to details from the party? Most people dont watch enough news to see both, and most people still assume those kids had a level of dirt still on them, specifically because of all the dirty details that came out that were not proven to be false. That program was run through the mud too long and too deep to think it came out clean in the public's eyes.

No matter what, their proven innocence will not be the scandal people will remember. Oh they will remember that they were proven innocent and the DA was a crazy douche, but they will also remember the dirt uncovered and what goes on at the Duke Lacrosse house. And of course it does not help that it took place at an easily hateable university, and one that easily plays into the rich affluent spoiled white kids getting away with what they want stereotype.

Quote from: ZiggysF*ckinFryBoy on December 16, 2010, 08:53:28 PM
The process is flawed!!!!!!!

did michelangelo go through a process to get permission to paint the sistine chapel.  No he didn't.

he just showed up with a paint brush and started painting that biatch. 





zffb check your inbox.

Quote from: Aughnanure on December 16, 2010, 08:57:18 PM
How much media time was devoted to their innocence? How much media time was devoted to details from the party? Most people dont watch enough news to see both, and most people still assume those kids had a level of dirt still on them, specifically because of all the dirty details that came out that were not proven to be false. That program was run through the mud too long and too deep to think it came out clean in the public's eyes.

No matter what, their proven innocence will not be the scandal people will remember. Oh they will remember that they were proven innocent and the DA was a crazy douche, but they will also remember the dirt uncovered and what goes on at the Duke Lacrosse house. And of course it does not help that it took place at an easily hateable university, and one that easily plays into the rich affluent spoiled white kids getting away with what they want stereotype.

If ordering a  stripper for your house party is wrong,  then I don't want to be right. 


Fun night, though her hoo haa smelled like it had been drug through a sewer. 

Marquette Lacrosse already had its own scandal a couple of years ago. Something about hazing and making members wear thongs and what not. Club lacrosse was actually kicked off campus for a year. Actually if you google Marquette Lacrosse and images one of the first things that comes up is this

(http://terminallysingle.net/wp-content/uploads/2005/11/hazing1.jpg)

The kid in the green thong was my roommate for 2 years haha.

That looks like one big bowl of gay.


i think your roomie's got wood. 

Quote from: Stone Cold on December 16, 2010, 10:05:06 PM
That looks like one big bowl of gay.


i think your roomie's got wood. 

Oh it was incredibly gay... I'm in no way condeing this.

Not sure if anyone posted this yet.

http://www.jsonline.com/sports/goldeneagles/112044539.html

Marquette University will add both men's and women's lacrosse as varsity sports beginning in spring 2013, the school announced Thursday.

MU will compete as an independent in 2012-'13 and then join the Big East Conference beginning in the 2013-'14 season. The school will hire coaches in advance of the 2011-'12 season.

"Lacrosse is a thrilling sport, loved by fans and participants and a natural fit for Marquette," athletic director Steve Cottingham said in a release. "The national growth of lacrosse and Marquette's membership in the Big East make this exactly the right time for us to move forward with lacrosse as a varsity sport at Marquette. We are confident we can build programs that compete successfully at the national level."

The addition of lacrosse will bring the number of varsity programs at MU to 16, with eight each for men and women.

Both teams will be fully funded with the maximum number of scholarships and coaches allowed by the NCAA. The average roster size for a Division I women's lacrosse team is 25.5 student-athletes compared with 44.8 individuals on the men's side, according to MU.

There are currently nine Big East schools that sponsor women's lacrosse: Cincinnati, Connecticut, Georgetown, Notre Dame, Louisville, Rutgers, Syracuse and Villanova. Loyola-Maryland is an associate member of the conference, competing in women's lacrosse only.

Men's lacrosse was added to the Big East in 2010, increasing the league's number of sponsored sports to 24. Seven schools in the Big East currently field varsity men's teams: Georgetown, Notre Dame, Providence, Rutgers, St. John's, Syracuse and Villanova.

"The addition of men's and women's lacrosse reflects Marquette's continuing commitment to a broad and successful athletics program, something that has been evident to all of us since the school began competing in the Big East Conference in 2005," said John Marinatto, Big East commissioner.

MU has retained former Loyola-Maryland and Maryland head coach Dave Cottle as a consultant. Cottle's teams made a combined 22 NCAA tournament appearances, including five in the semifinals, in his tenure as a collegiate head coach.


Thoughts?

Why do men's teams average around 50 members and women's only 30?

Quote from: Stone Cold on December 16, 2010, 08:05:53 PM
Here's an interesting conversation going on about Marquette lacrosse from some guys who sound like they know the sport.  


http://network.laxpower.com/laxforum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=41828&start=0&st=0&sk=t&sd=a (http://network.laxpower.com/laxforum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=41828&start=0&st=0&sk=t&sd=a)


http://insidelacrosse.com/news/2010/12/16/inside-lacrosse-staff-reaction-marquettes-division-i-lacrosse-announcement (http://insidelacrosse.com/news/2010/12/16/inside-lacrosse-staff-reaction-marquettes-division-i-lacrosse-announcement)

Great find.

Quote from: Aughnanure on December 16, 2010, 08:57:18 PM
How much media time was devoted to their innocence? How much media time was devoted to details from the party? Most people dont watch enough news to see both, and most people still assume those kids had a level of dirt still on them, specifically because of all the dirty details that came out that were not proven to be false. That program was run through the mud too long and too deep to think it came out clean in the public's eyes.

No matter what, their proven innocence will not be the scandal people will remember. Oh they will remember that they were proven innocent and the DA was a crazy douche, but they will also remember the dirt uncovered and what goes on at the Duke Lacrosse house. And of course it does not help that it took place at an easily hateable university, and one that easily plays into the rich affluent spoiled white kids getting away with what they want stereotype.

We'll agree to disagree.  Most people I know saw it as another elitist rush to judgment lynching by academia and the media that couldn't wait to bury a bunch of white rich kids. They WANTED her story to be true to fit their political agenda.  Too bad it didn't work out for them or the corrupt DA trying to gain political favor for a reelection bid.

Good for MU.  I'm not a big lacrosse fan, but I think its a good addition to our school.  I'd rather have a football team but i guess lacrosse is a nice consolation prize.

Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on December 16, 2010, 06:45:26 PM
Agree, though it's become quite the sport out here on the west coast as well.

big time in north carolina area too

Spoke with a friend of mine who is a HS lacrosse coach (and MU alum) in the Twin Cities yesterday.  He said that the sports is growing very quickly in the Chicago and Cities areas, but that right now the quality of player doesn't match the east coast...yet.  Give the youth programs another 8-10 years and it might be another story.  At that time, MU might be in a sweet spot with an established program in the midwest.  He's pretty excited about it.

Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on December 16, 2010, 11:42:13 PM
Too bad it didn't work out for them or the corrupt DA trying to gain political favor for a reelection bid.

that's an understatement... I think the DA got disbarred.

they should have added hockey for the men and lax for the women... this dam title 9 really messes everything up

QuoteLacrosse will become the eighth men's sport to be offered at MU, as well as the eighth women's team to be added, bringing the total number of varsity programs at the university to 16.

1) Basketball (M)
2) Basketball (W)
3) Lacrosse (M)
4) Lacrosse (W)
5) Track & Field (M)
6) Track & Field (W)
7) Golf (M)
8) Volleyball (W)
9) Soccer (M)
10) Soccer (W)
11) Cross Country (M)
12) Cross Country (W)
13) Tennis (M)
14) Tennis (W)

What two sports am I missing?!?!?!?!

Quote from: TallTitan34 on December 17, 2010, 10:36:43 AM
1) Basketball (M)
2) Basketball (W)
3) Lacrosse (M)
4) Lacrosse (W)
5) Track & Field (M)
6) Track & Field (W)
7) Golf (M)
8) Volleyball (W)
9) Soccer (M)
10) Soccer (W)
11) Cross Country (M)
12) Cross Country (W)
13) Tennis (M)
14) Tennis (W)

What two sports am I missing?!?!?!?!

Track and Field is broken into indoor and outdoor, so it accounts for 4 sports total

Quote from: john_cocktoasten on December 17, 2010, 07:40:59 AM
they should have added hockey for the men and lax for the women... this dam title 9 really messes everything up

Men's LAX has a University owned facility in place.  Hockey does not and would be a bitch to rent.

Quote from: foreverwarriors on December 17, 2010, 10:38:39 AM
Track and Field is broken into indoor and outdoor, so it accounts for 4 sports total

Thanks forever.

I'm sure it wouldn't be hard to rent the Mecca or the Fortress on 4th

Well, when I said "a bitch to rent" I meant it would be expensive.  Certainly more expensive than an existing on campus facility.

Not to mention that you are only talking about games.  Where do they practice?  How do they get there?  They'd have to rent that facility too.

Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on December 17, 2010, 12:34:38 PM
Well, when I said "a bitch to rent" I meant it would be expensive.  Certainly more expensive than an existing on campus facility.

Not to mention that you are only talking about games.  Where do they practice?  How do they get there?  They'd have to rent that facility too.

just freeze schroeder field!

Quote from: Aughnanure on December 16, 2010, 05:30:59 PM
Rewriting history? It was a huge scandal. No one will remember how they got screwed by the school and the AG compared to all the allegations, trials, claims, accusations, etc that became the focus for the media for months.

Well, I'll agree the behaviour by the school toward the team was scandalous.  I'll grant you that.

Quote from: TallTitan34 on December 17, 2010, 10:36:43 AM
) Basketball (M)
2) Basketball (W)
3) Lacrosse (M)
4) Lacrosse (W)
5) Track & Field (M)
6) Track & Field (W)
7) Golf (M)
8) Volleyball (W)
9) Soccer (M)
10) Soccer (W)
11) Cross Country (M)
12) Cross Country (W)
13) Tennis (M)
14) Tennis (W)

What two sports am I missing?!?!?!?!

What I find interesting is that 11 of the previous 14 team sports call the basement of the Old Gym home.  The other three bolded sports reside in the McGuire Center.  Not sure where the Lacrosse teams will be placed.

Quote from: Skitch on December 16, 2010, 11:10:25 PM
Why do men's teams average around 50 members and women's only 30?

Mens and womens lacrosse are incredibly different sports. Mens is a lot more like hockey, with different lines subbing in and out of the game as a unit. Womens, I guess, is more like soccer where you sub out individual players. I think that's where you need a lot more players on the mens side of things. Incredibly excited about this move, just wish we didn't have to wait until 2013.

Quote from: deep vacuum on December 17, 2010, 10:22:45 PM
What I find interesting is that 11 of the previous 14 team sports call the basement of the Old Gym home.  The other three bolded sports reside in the McGuire Center.  Not sure where the Lacrosse teams will be placed.

Probably too early to guess. There's a lot of potential movement on campus with the vacancy of the old law school and the upcoming completion of the new Engineering building.

I'm curious if this move was taken into account when building the locker rooms down at Valley Fields.

It would've  been tight if we could have gotten that European style soccer stadium, for Lax and soccer.

i blame crean.

Quote from: lawwarrior12 on December 17, 2010, 07:22:39 AM
that's an understatement... I think the DA got disbarred.

In a related story.....fresh off the press

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/12/17/AR2010121705417.html


I wonder if the Duke professors will take a full page ad out for this as well.   ::)

Quote from: MUfan12 on December 16, 2010, 04:46:21 PM
It's a good thing for a few reasons. First, the costs to start are a lot less since the facilities are in place. Being only the 3rd D1 program in the midwest lets MU nab some talent from this area, as well as expanding its reach out east. It's a sport MU can be competitive in from the get go.

Most importantly, I think it helps MU with the Big East. Adding another school is a shot in the arm to the BE in Mens Lacrosse, which just started sanctioning it last year. Also, having a broader offering of sports beyond mens basketball is a positive in our favor in the ongoing realignment.

Also, it's a great sport for fans to watch in the spring. A lot more school spirit will be around MU after March.