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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: ChicosBailBonds on December 13, 2010, 02:44:35 PM

Title: KenPom Player Stats
Post by: ChicosBailBonds on December 13, 2010, 02:44:35 PM
http://www.kenpom.com/team.php?team=Marquette

Scroll to the bottom of the link.  Some interesting tidbits to say the least
Title: Re: KenPom Player Stats
Post by: Henry Sugar on December 13, 2010, 03:06:04 PM
Those stats are over a week old. 

For example, the current view shows Vander Blue as underwhelming offensively, but it does not include his breakout against TAMUCC.  It also gives DJO an average, but does not include his 1-9 stinkbomb against UW@Madison. 
Title: Re: KenPom Player Stats
Post by: dsfire on December 13, 2010, 03:20:46 PM
Was about to say the same thing.  I remembered seeing Butler at 3-12 from 3 when those first came out and was sure he'd hit some in the UW game.  Statsheet has him at 6-17 on the season.

Most of the same tempo-free stats are available on statsheet but only on the player pages (http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/player/marquette/jimmy-butler), which makes it somewhat less convenient.
Title: Re: KenPom Player Stats
Post by: ChicosBailBonds on December 13, 2010, 03:24:13 PM
The new ones will be updated today.  The data on how much of a cog in the wheel each player contributes is something to keep an eye on.

Who would have thought that by December 5th, Junior would be classified as a "limited role", the bottom rung of contributions in the Pom formula. 
Title: Re: KenPom Player Stats
Post by: dsfire on December 13, 2010, 03:39:47 PM
That's not a shock, actually.  The divisions are based upon % of possessions used while in the game, and Junior shoots so rarely that nearly all of his possessions are assists or turnovers.  Cubillan was actually in the "Nearly Invisible" category last year even though he obviously played quite a few minutes and did contribute to the team's success - it's just that he was always the fourth or fifth option on the floor.
Title: Re: KenPom Player Stats
Post by: ChicosBailBonds on December 13, 2010, 07:07:48 PM
Data now updated through the 12th

Title: Re: KenPom Player Stats
Post by: brewcity77 on December 14, 2010, 05:45:45 AM
I'd say more than anything, it shows how much we miss Fulce. Our second best offensive rebounder and clearly our best defensive. Surprised to see he has the highest offensive rating as well. And despite constantly being called out for being underwhelming, Crowder shows up well in a lot of categories, including both aspects of rebounding (though also TOs).

Also very surprised to see Otule's offensive rating. I imagine his two double-digit performances did a lot to impact that, but him clocking more minutes might not be a bad thing if he can handle it.
Title: Re: KenPom Player Stats
Post by: Brewtown Andy on December 14, 2010, 07:34:33 AM
I know it's not a player stat, but I suppose it's unsurprising that the UW game has the lowest number of possessions on the season.
Title: Re: KenPom Player Stats
Post by: dsfire on December 14, 2010, 09:29:01 AM
Quote from: brewcity77 on December 14, 2010, 05:45:45 AM
Also very surprised to see Otule's offensive rating. I imagine his two double-digit performances did a lot to impact that, but him clocking more minutes might not be a bad thing if he can handle it.
Otule has a very high conversion rate around the basket - though obviously most of that is against South Dakota and Longwood.  I think there's also some question about how the turnovers are recorded - I seem to remember there are some situations where the turnover is given to the player that is passing it in if the post player can't hang onto it.  Unfortunately, that may be significant for Otule so far.

Gotta love his block%.  He's a bit under the minimum 40% minutes played to show up on the leaderboard, but he'd be #3 in the country if he was on there with his current number.  Of course, he's probably not as imposing as Ty Walker from Wake or a number of those other guys further down the list, but 5 of his 20 blocks have come in our hardest 3 games, and another 8 against UWGB/UWM.
Title: Re: KenPom Player Stats
Post by: GGGG on December 14, 2010, 09:47:29 AM
Boy those stats just show was a horrid year DJO is having to date.  If he could just get back to average...not even his peak from last year...we'd be so much better off offensively.

Gardner is looking like an absolute steal at this point.  It's going to be fun to watch him over the course of his career.
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