Very loud and full today. Good work... Keep it up!
Could still be a lot better. But it would help if the team would play with energy
That arena plays a big part in it. Our fans look absolutely terrible on tv, the alums sit down the whole game, half weren't in gold. I know it brings in a lot of money selling those seats to alum's but dear god, let the students get a little closer.
Quote from: KipsBayEagle on December 11, 2010, 03:58:43 PM
That arena plays a big part in it. Our fans look absolutely terrible on tv, the alums sit down the whole game, half weren't in gold. I know it brings in a lot of money selling those seats to alum's but dear god, let the students get a little closer.
Yeah, until they fill the student section 95 percent every game, let's not even talk about that.
Quote from: marqptm on December 11, 2010, 04:03:12 PM
Yeah, until they fill the student section 95 percent every game, let's not even talk about that.
After today's loss, they will be sparse for awhile until this team finds a way to win and play consistently. Unfortunate, but I think that's the case.
Quote from: marqptm on December 11, 2010, 04:03:12 PM
Yeah, until they fill the student section 95 percent every game, let's not even talk about that.
Please... we're not gonna fill UWGB, because people have studying to do... I'm sorry we're not the '77 student body (no block party, obvi.)... Its so easy to look back and criticize, but until we have a pep rally to tell students what to do per chant, 'The Gold' will continue to be uncoordinated, uncaring
and drunk.
All bull crap! I don't care what it looked like on tv. I've been critical in the past but I was there today and they were great. U can't blame them for the uninspired play. The students showed up... I wish Buzz and the players did as well.
Off the cuff ... MU undergrad enrollment is 8100. http://www.marquette.edu/about/studentdemo.shtml'
The Bradley Center seats 19k.
Our arena is 234% the size of our undergrad enrollment.
Name me a school that has an arena 234% the size of their undergrad enrollment and "packs the place" every night?
Duke has 6200 undergrads http://admissions.duke.edu/jump/pdf/Quick_Facts.pdf
Cameron Indoor seats 9300 http://www.goduke.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=4200&ATCLID=218099
or about 150% of undergrad emrollment. The student section (which is what you see on TV) only seats 3500. So Duke brealy needs half the undergrads to go to the game to "pack the place."
MU is fine.
Quote from: AnotherMU84 on December 11, 2010, 06:25:41 PM
MU is fine.
Does that mean we should just be satisfied then? I agree it was good and our attendance figures are usually top 15. I just think we should strive for more. The potential in there today was huge and no one is stepping up to take it to the next level. In the words of my guy DJO on here if I hear the chant G- O- go warriors go or some of the other really lame cheers we still do, " I will puke."
Good turn out from the students but it was completely embarassing in pre-game when the students started chanting "Over-rated!" at an unranked opponent.
Are they overrated by being in the "Others Receiving Votes" category?
Quote from: marqptm on December 11, 2010, 04:03:12 PM
Yeah, until they fill the student section 95 percent every game, let's not even talk about that.
don't bet on it
Quote from: AnotherMU84 on December 11, 2010, 06:25:41 PM
Off the cuff ... MU undergrad enrollment is 8100. http://www.marquette.edu/about/studentdemo.shtml'
The Bradley Center seats 19k.
Our arena is 234% the size of our undergrad enrollment.
Name me a school that has an arena 234% the size of their undergrad enrollment and "packs the place" every night?
Duke has 6200 undergrads http://admissions.duke.edu/jump/pdf/Quick_Facts.pdf
Cameron Indoor seats 9300 http://www.goduke.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=4200&ATCLID=218099
or about 150% of undergrad emrollment. The student section (which is what you see on TV) only seats 3500. So Duke brealy needs half the undergrads to go to the game to "pack the place."
MU is fine.
Was watching Louisville game today and they mentioned UL has 21,000 season ticket holders, along with 71 luxury suites sell-outs. Now that's pretty impressive.
There's still a big need for organization. Simply yelling and screaming won't get anyone to miss a free throw. It's the coordinated movements that alter the background perspective that can actually impact a visiting shooter.
And today was an exception by far. The student section the past month has been probably 40% vacant. This was the only game where they really filled it up, and my guess is we won't see that again until New Year's Day at the earliest.
Quote from: 1001 N. 4th St. on December 11, 2010, 04:21:17 PM
Please... we're not gonna fill UWGB, because people have studying to do... I'm sorry we're not the '77 student body (no block party, obvi.)... Its so easy to look back and criticize, but until we have a pep rally to tell students what to do per chant, 'The Gold' will continue to be uncoordinated, uncaring and drunk.
Please...its this kind of mentality that won't get you any closer, and the students should not be. I'm a 2008 alum and during my tenure UWGB is a better game than half our conference foes: SLU, TCU, Southern Miss, etc.
I've always been a proponent of contracting the size of the student sections to create a demand, but the AD never felt the same.
Would AD ever consider contracting and moving possibly?
hit two birds with one stone
Quote from: Mrqt3three4ever on December 11, 2010, 09:17:48 PM
Would AD ever consider contracting and moving possibly?
hit two birds with one stone
Only if it'd make us more money. First off, there's really no where else to put a stadium on campus, unless you convince someone to raze Valley Field. Second, it'd hard to imagine us cutting down to a 12,000-seater, spending the money to build it, and making more money annually than we are currently at the BC. And when I say making more, I mean making enough more to offset the building costs. Just can't see it happening.
after spending a lot of time in that student section over the years and now watching on TV, I think it will be next to impossible to make that student section look good on TV. I wasn't at the game today, so I don't know how about how loud they were today vs years past. But given the awkward spacing of the sections (especially the corner sections) @ the BC, and the fact that even the lower bowl sections have a lot of rows with under a dozen seats and wide aisles, the section just doesn't look great on TV.
Another aspect, I wonder if the positioning of TV cameras in pro arenas like the Bradley, where TV audiences don't look for crowds in the same way as in college events plays a part. Watching in some smaller college arenas, the cameras seem lower to the court and thus get a more panoramic court/crowd view. No idea if this is true, just total conjecture.
Quote from: Mrqt3three4ever on December 11, 2010, 09:17:48 PM
Would AD ever consider contracting and moving possibly?
hit two birds with one stone
We were somewhat close on a 'bow-tie' seating for the students. Instead of the two sections down low they have now, they would have one with the opposite section across the court. This would then extend all the way to the rafters.
Quote from: nyg on December 11, 2010, 07:40:52 PM
Was watching Louisville game today and they mentioned UL has 21,000 season ticket holders, along with 71 luxury suites sell-outs. Now that's pretty impressive.
Freedom hall holds 20,091 and averaged 19,397 last year. http://www.uoflsports.com/facilities/lou-facilities-freedom-hall.html
So, it is 5% to 7% larger than the BC
U of L has 15,125 undergraduates http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Louisville ... almost twice the size of MU's undergrad enrollment.
Double the size of MU and you will double the amount of students in the BC. Then everyone on this board would rave how supportive the kids are.
As I noted before, MU needs a higher percentage of undergrads to go to games given its stadium is 234% the size of its undergrad enrollment. I wonder how many of the so-called "rabid fan" schools would be able to fill a stadium that is 234% the size of its undergrad enrollment like MU does?
Quote from: AnotherMU84 on December 11, 2010, 10:41:10 PM
As I noted before, MU needs a higher percentage of undergrads to go to games given its stadium is 234% the size of its undergrad enrollment. I wonder how many of the so-called "rabid fan" schools would be able to fill a stadium that is 234% the size of its undergrad enrollment like MU does?
Let's look at Georgetown for a comparison. They play in a NBA arena that's slightly bigger than the BC and have a undergrad student body of just over 7K. What does their attendence look like?
Quote from: marqptm on December 11, 2010, 08:45:57 PM
Please...its this kind of mentality that won't get you any closer, and the students should not be. I'm a 2008 alum and during my tenure UWGB is a better game than half our conference foes: SLU, TCU, Southern Miss, etc.
I've always been a proponent of contracting the size of the student sections to create a demand, but the AD never felt the same.
UWGB was an example... You're not going to fill the student section for that or the SLU game...
Quote from: 1001 N. 4th St. on December 12, 2010, 03:12:42 AM
UWGB was an example... You're not going to fill the student section for that or the SLU game...
Quote from: Brewtown Andy on December 12, 2010, 02:12:21 AM
Let's look at Georgetown for a comparison. They play in a NBA arena that's slightly bigger than the BC and have a undergrad student body of just over 7K. What does their attendence look like?
http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect/8753820042742b01b8b6be967b4a3893/Awide_Mbkbattlists.pdf?MOD=AJPERES&CACHEID=8753820042742b01b8b6be967b4a3893
09-10 - MU was 10, Georgetown was 29
MU 8100 undergrad enrollment http://www.marquette.edu/about/studentdemo.shtml'
G-Town 7092 undergrad enrollment http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgetown_University
Population of metro Milwaukee 1.7 million http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milwaukee_metropolitan_area
Population of metro DC 5.4 million http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington,_D.C.
Bradley Center seats 19k
The Verizon Center seats 20,173 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Verizon_Center
2010 MU attendance was #10 at 15,617
2010 GT attendance was #29 at 12,040
So MU plays in an arena about the same size as Gtown, has an undergrad enrollment about the same size but the Milwaukee metro area is about 1/4 size of DC.
Conclusion - MU fans and the Metro area are far more supportive than G-Town. We have more rabid fans.
Quote from: AnotherMU84 on December 12, 2010, 08:24:01 AM
Conclusion - MU fans and the Metro area are far more supportive than G-Town. We have more rabid fans.
maybe, but this is a situation where there are a lot more variables.
making it this cut and dry is just not true.
I'm cut and dry? The whiners that the student section sucks are those engaged in cut and dry analysis. They want 19,000 student stuffing the BC when we only have 8100 undergrads. How is that suppose to work?
Face it ... those that complain are basing it on how Duke "looks" on TV versus MU on TV. No one looks like Duke because no one has a set-up like Duke.
Quote from: AnotherMU84 on December 12, 2010, 09:16:03 AM
I'm cut and dry? The whiners that the student section sucks are those engaged in cut and dry analysis. They want 19,000 student stuffing the BC when we only have 8100 undergrads. How is that suppose to work?
Face it ... those that complain are basing it on how Duke "looks" on TV versus MU on TV. No one looks like Duke because no one has a set-up like Duke.
I have been harsh but I will say this. Most student basketball sections stink. I just think we could do a lot better than we are. Some of the 30 year old cheers, the sitting during time outs, no cheering during warmups, etc. could all be worked on. With that said based on other CBB student sections yesterday was way above average, but again the potential for much more is right there for the taking.
Remember the question is about the student section, not the size of the stadium or the number of people that go to games.
The complaint is the student section is "not full" and implies that MU students are not "rabid fans." The is pure BS.
See the table below. MU far and away has the lowest undergrad enrollment in the top ten. The BC average attendance is 193% the size of MU undergrad enrollment. Only Creighton and Vanderbilt have comparable numbers in the top 25.
MU is unique in that it plays in a huge stadium and has a relatively small undergrad population. As explained above, Georgetown doesn't come close.
Rank School G Attend Average Undergrad %
1 Kentucky 18 433,989 24,111 18,770 128%
2 Syracuse 19 420,890 22,152 20,407 109%
3 Louisville 19 368,537 19,397 15,125 128%
4 Tennessee 16 306,680 19,168 21,006 91%
5 N Carolina 19 337,934 17,786 17,981 99%
6 Wisconsin 17 292,910 17,230 28,960 59%
7 Maryland 16 268,673 16,792 26,542 63%
8 Memphis 20 329,968 16,498 17,963 92%
9 Kansas 19 312,230 16,433 21,066 78%
10 Marquette 17 265,484 15,617 8,100 193%
11 Indiana 17 260,028 15,296 32,490 47%
12 Illinois 18 267,658 14,870 31,173 48%
13 Mich St U 17 250,903 14,759 36,489 40%
14 U of Texas 17 248,697 14,629 38,168 38%
15 Creighton 17 246,419 14,495 4,133 351%
16 Ohio St. 18 255,265 14,181 38,479 37%
17 B Young U 16 224,460 14,029 26,928 52%
18 Nevada LV 19 264,422 13,917 22,708 61%
19 Arizona 16 221,047 13,815 29,719 46%
20 Purdue 16 218,896 13,681 31,146 44%
21 Vanderbilt 16 217,965 13,623 6,796 200%
22 New Mexico 18 244,718 13,595 34,674 39%
23 Minnesota 17 228,709 13,453 30,519 44%
24 NC State 17 224,131 13,184 17,981 73%
25 Arkansas 21 276,821 13,182 21,406 62%
26 Iowa St. 18 224,846 12,491 23,104 54%
27 WV Uni 15 185,629 12,375 22,303 55%
28 Dayton 18 220,657 12,259 7,426 165%
29 Georgetown 16 192,638 12,040 7,092 170%
30 South Car 16 191,905 11,994 29,597 41%
31 Kansas St. 17 202,020 11,884 18,778 63%
32 Wake For 15 177,498 11,833 4,412 268%
Quote from: chren21 on December 12, 2010, 09:30:58 AM
I have been harht but I will say this. Most student basketball sections stink. I just think we could do a lot better than we are. Some of the 30 year old cheers, the sitting during time outs, no cheering during warmups, etc. could all be worked on. With that said based on other CBB student sections yesterday was way above average, but again the potential for much more is right there for the taking.
But thanks for at least admitting we are way above average. Let's start from this point of view.
In all the games I go to, the students do everything you ask for. Its the Alumni (like me) that don't do it, and will never do it. Alumni have a Pro basketball mentality and even if Buzz turns MU into Duke, it will not happen.
You're asking too much. What you want is what 20 years old do, not 50 year old alumni. And trust me, the 50 year old alumni at Duke games are also sitting on their hands.
Quote from: brewcity77 on December 11, 2010, 08:28:35 PM
There's still a big need for organization. Simply yelling and screaming won't get anyone to miss a free throw. It's the coordinated movements that alter the background perspective that can actually impact a visiting shooter.
Didn't Taylor, a 90% FT shooter that only missed four all year, miss two late in the game with the students in the background which gave us a chance? Why not praise the student for rattling one of the best FT shooters in the country?
Seems to me that random yelling and screaming worked.
Quote from: AnotherMU84 on December 12, 2010, 09:37:03 AM
But thanks for at least admitting we are way above average. Let's start from this point of view.
In all the games I go to, the students do everything you ask for. Its the Alumni (like me) that don't do it, and will never do it. Alumni have a Pro basketball mentality and even if Buzz turns MU into Duke, it will not happen.
You're asking too much. What you want is what 20 years old do, not 50 year old alumni. And trust me, the 50 year old alumni at Duke games are also sitting on their hands.
I should have been more specific. I think the students could do more, I agree the alums will continue to sit on thier hands. Although IF and a big IF... the students did more continuous cheering / chants / etc. the chances of the alum joining in (IE we are marquette which can be done from a seated position) go way up.
Quote from: AnotherMU84 on December 12, 2010, 09:44:32 AM
Didn't Taylor, a 90% FT shooter that only missed four all year, miss two late in the game with the students in the background which gave us a chance? Why not praise the student for rattling one of the best FT shooters in the country?
Seems to me that random yelling and screaming worked.
Yes maybe that worked but, did it / would it continue to work? Is it to much to have say four or five different things to do during free throws that would throw them off? Many ideas have been suggested here.
And my point is if all 8100 MU undergrads went to the game and did what you want, they would only be about 40% of the seats. No other major Bball school has this small an enrollment versus this large a stadium. MU is unique in this respect.
So given the small percentage of students in the large BC, they do an awesome job.
... and I disagree with you ... 50 year old alumni will just enjoy it more if 20 year olds scream louder but won't necessarily join in.
If you think doctors, lawyers and business chiefs and their wives (i.e., MU alum) are going to jump up and own like lunatics, think again. And it's OK because the alum of virtually every other school don't jump up and down either.
Quote from: AnotherMU84 on December 12, 2010, 09:58:00 AM
And my point is if all 8100 MU undergrads went to the game and did what you want, they would only be about 40% of the seats. No other major Bball school has this small an enrollment versus this large a stadium. MU is unique in this respect.
So given the small percentage of students in the large BC, they do an awesome job.
... and I disagree with you ... 50 year old alumni will just enjoy it more if 20 year olds scream louder but won't necessarily join in.
If you think doctors, lawyers and business chiefs and their wives (i.e., MU alum) are going to jump up and own like lunatics, think again. And it's OK because the alum of virtually every other school don't jump up and down either.
Small percentage? They have over 22 percent of the seating.
Quote from: AnotherMU84 on December 12, 2010, 09:58:00 AM
And my point is if all 8100 MU undergrads went to the game and did what you want, they would only be about 40% of the seats. No other major Bball school has this small an enrollment versus this large a stadium. MU is unique in this respect.
So given the small percentage of students in the large BC, they do an awesome job.
... and I disagree with you ... 50 year old alumni will just enjoy it more if 20 year olds scream louder but won't necessarily join in.
If you think doctors, lawyers and business chiefs and their wives (i.e., MU alum) are going to jump up and own like lunatics, think again. And it's OK because the alum of virtually every other school don't jump up and down either.
Again I agree completely. I was not saying alums will jump up and down and scream. But sit and say we are marquette, clap clap, or other simple chants more often, is not out of the question. But back to my point, I think the students did great, I just refuse to think that is the best the students can do. Why not strive to always get better? Or should we just say we we have this many students, our stadium is to big, etc, etc, or should we say lets think of ways to even make it better? Seems like an obvious answer to me...
Quote from: 1001 N. 4th St. on December 12, 2010, 03:12:42 AM
UWGB was an example... You're not going to fill the student section for that or the SLU game...
Why the hell not?? This is YOUR team, YOUR classmates, and YOUR school. I drive an hour every freaking home game, and the students can't fill the BC on a regular basis??
Unreal....
Quote from: muguru on December 12, 2010, 01:06:36 PM
Why the hell not?? This is YOUR team, YOUR classmates, and YOUR school. I drive an hour every freaking home game, and the students can't fill the BC on a regular basis??
Unreal....
At this point, I'd settle for filling the lower bowl every single game.
Quote from: AnotherMU84 on December 12, 2010, 09:37:03 AM
In all the games I go to, the students do everything you ask for. Its the Alumni (like me) that don't do it, and will never do it. Alumni have a Pro basketball mentality and even if Buzz turns MU into Duke, it will not happen.
You're asking too much. What you want is what 20 years old do, not 50 year old alumni. And trust me, the 50 year old alumni at Duke games are also sitting on their hands.
Go to an Iowa State game in Ames sometime if you want to see an arena full of fans (both students and alums) who are all on the same page in terms of cheers, chants, etc. The fact that there's not much else in Ames besides ISU probably has a lot to do with it, but still. Great environment to watch a game.
In terms of MU's student section, I personally don't think it has to do with attendance. I think it has to do with the MU students not being particularly interested in the game and not knowing very much about basketball. That was the case when I was a student ('02 grad) and it remains the case today. When small groups of students have tried to "rally the troops" and get things more organized, they've been largely ignored. My guess is that it's the same at most schools around the country.
Do you think the chanting and cheering at English football games is cool or stupid? Most Americans must think its stupid which is why we don't do it here. So, why are we arguing that we don't do something that most think is stupid?
Complaining that their is no organized cheering at MU games is misplaced. I've been to a few games at Ames and I have no idea what your talking about. The Alumni sit on their hands and the kids cheered in a disorganized fashion ... like they do at MU and everywhere else save Cameron indoor.
Quote from: AnotherMU84 on December 13, 2010, 03:45:35 PM
Do you think the chanting and cheering at English football games is cool or stupid? Most Americans must think its stupid which is why we don't do it here. So, why are we arguing that we don't do something that most think is stupid?
Complaining that their is no organized cheering at MU games is misplaced. I've been to a few games at Ames and I have no idea what your talking about. The Alumni sit on their hands and the kids cheered in a disorganized fashion ... like they do at MU and everywhere else save Cameron indoor.
Apparently things have changed since the early- to mid-2000s.
We don't have to pack BC to have some fun that would capture attention. Check this out:
http://espn.go.com/blog/collegebasketballnation/post/_/id/19780/prepare-to-love-taylor-university
Granted, this occurs in a small-college gym, which heightens the impact, but the student section could still have some fun with something like this.
Kinda like our basketball team, we need some floor leadership.
Here's why the student section is never moving: Seton Hall has moved their section behind the visiting bench and the Big East isn't thrilled about it.
http://www.nj.com/setonhall/index.ssf/2010/12/as_seton_hall_starts_homestand.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
Quote from: Brewtown Andy on December 15, 2010, 09:59:29 AM
Here's why the student section is never moving: Seton Hall has moved their section behind the visiting bench and the Big East isn't thrilled about it.
http://www.nj.com/setonhall/index.ssf/2010/12/as_seton_hall_starts_homestand.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
Seton Hall is smarter than we are. Who cares what the Big East thinks.
Quote from: chren21 on December 15, 2010, 10:09:03 AM
Seton Hall is smarter than we are. Who cares what the Big East thinks.
A school that really, really needs to stay on the Big East's good side.