Anyone have thoughts on Crowder's overall demeanor? From the skip high five around the circle before the game, to the over obvious looks at the crowd after scoring, stopping and pointing after scoring (not immediately getting back on D), etc.. I think he is a great player, has added tons to our team, has stepped right in to playing like a junior and all but have not noticed any comments on this. Maybe I am just over analyzing. It just doesn't seem natural, it seems like a little bit of a show.
I honestly just think he likes having fun out there and he's just a pretty goofy guy overall.
Its a Juco thing.
My issue with Crowder is that he is heaving up the 3s. Maybe he has been a great 3 point shooter in JUCO but it just does not seem like a natural fit for his game with this team. It is an open shot in the offense and Lazar used to bury them but Jae is not Lazar in terms of his outside shot.
Other than that...they are "kids" in Division 1 sports....the range of emotions and behaviors must be something to behold on a day-to-day basis.
Cue the traditional Hoosiers music......
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Stone Cold...wherever did you get a picture of a young Bo Ryan?
Quote from: chren21 on December 04, 2010, 07:56:17 PM
Anyone have thoughts on Crowder's overall demeanor? From the skip high five around the circle before the game, to the over obvious looks at the crowd after scoring, stopping and pointing after scoring (not immediately getting back on D), etc.. I think he is a great player, has added tons to our team, has stepped right in to playing like a junior and all but have not noticed any comments on this. Maybe I am just over analyzing. It just doesn't seem natural, it seems like a little bit of a show.
Please. Seems a lot of things bother you with this team. These are 20 year old kids, who spend a sh$t ton of time in practice, the weight room, off season to play the game of basketball. The time commitment is tremendous. So they want to have some fun and show some emotion on the court. Would much rather this than a stale, life-less, emotion-less team. Jae plays hard..and is large part of the heart and soul of the team.
Quote from: murobrob on December 04, 2010, 08:04:45 PM
My issue with Crowder is that he is heaving up the 3s. Maybe he has been a great 3 point shooter in JUCO but it just does not seem like a natural fit for his game with this team. It is an open shot in the offense and Lazar used to bury them but Jae is not Lazar in terms of his outside shot.
Other than that...they are "kids" in Division 1 sports....the range of emotions and behaviors must be something to behold on a day-to-day basis.
+1 on the bolded part
-1 on the issue with Jae shooting 3's. Jae is our best 3 point shooter this year in terms of make percentage: 41.7%...AND Lazar only shot 34.9% from 3 last year. Jae has a pretty good stroke and we need him to continue shooting them.
Quote from: Ners on December 04, 2010, 08:22:10 PM
Jae plays hard..and is large part of the heart and soul of the team.
Couldn't agree more. Was just asking the question because I have noticed it.
Where did I say it bothered me?
Quote from: chren21 on December 04, 2010, 07:56:17 PM
Anyone have thoughts on Crowder's overall demeanor? From the skip high five around the circle before the game, to the over obvious looks at the crowd after scoring, stopping and pointing after scoring (not immediately getting back on D), etc.. I think he is a great player, has added tons to our team, has stepped right in to playing like a junior and all but have not noticed any comments on this. Maybe I am just over analyzing. It just doesn't seem natural, it seems like a little bit of a show.
I began to notice this against Bucknell. He seems to have a hitch in his step after getting a bucket down low and is a step slower then you'd expect getting back on defense. It hasn't burned him, and its not overly exaggerated, so for now it just seems to be his game.
As for Crowder shooting the 3, it seems to me he is better at the shot when the ball is going side-top-side and his defender sags off him to the free throw line as he's on top of the key. He doesn't seem to have the same relaxed release when the defender is stepping out to him or he takes the shot as a 4 man dragging the transition.
I'll stay tuned and hope I am wrong....it just struck me, especially against Duke, that his 3s were not the shot we wanted. Great analysis above and if he can truly be reliable from beyond the arc, that would be a tremendous asset this year. With DJO and even Buycks creating off the dribble, Crowder (and others) will certainly have chances from outside.
With his physical build, I may have been biased to thinking he was going to be an inside force and lack the touch from outside. Again...I guess we will see as the season plays out.
Quote from: chren21 on December 04, 2010, 08:28:11 PM
Couldn't agree more. Was just asking the question because I have noticed it.
Where did I say it bothered me?
Basically stating " it just doesn't seem natural and seems more like a show," and asking posing the question to comment on his demeanor..stating you think he's a great player..BUT..haven't noticed any comments on "this." All those things, combined with some of your recent post content, paint a picture that you are "bothered" by this team. Which is okay...but just don't think we need to over analyze a kids enthusiasm, demeanor, etc.
Quote from: The Golden Avalanche on December 04, 2010, 08:33:34 PM
As for Crowder shooting the 3, it seems to me he is better at the shot when the ball is going side-top-side and his defender sags off him to the free throw line as he's on top of the key. He doesn't seem to have the same relaxed release when the defender is stepping out to him or he takes the shot as a 4 man dragging the transition.
I agree largely... he does seem to shoot it best from the top of the key area, as opposed to the wings and corners. Every player has their sweet spots on the floor..his seems to be the top of the key 3 - haven't noticed or paid attention so much as to if there is a difference with him shooting them in the trailing position in transition or half court sets..but could be a difference...
I'm sidetracking a bit
1) His hair is still better than Jeremiah Bowman's
2) "Go Blue & Cheddar" cheese advertisement at the score/media table... what about changing it to "Go Blue & Crowder" for Vander & Jae??? just a thought. ostensibly, it will lose the overt cheese aspect...
3) i like JC's stroke from the 3, but agree he is a "top of the key" guy --- airball from the sideline today, anyone??
4) to the original post -- i'm sure he is maybe "celebrating"/posing a bit, but agree that he is a goofball and frankly maybe soaking up the greater fan-ittude as a continuation from JUCO (??). There's something to be said for being in the spotlight! :)
Quote from: Ners on December 04, 2010, 08:24:35 PM
+1 on the bolded part
-1 on the issue with Jae shooting 3's. Jae is our best 3 point shooter this year in terms of make percentage: 41.7%...AND Lazar only shot 34.9% from 3 last year. Jae has a pretty good stroke and we need him to continue shooting them.
If you're trying to say that Jae Crowder is a better 3 point shooter based on his 41.7% (5-12) than Lazar you are misguided. I don't think you can judge some one's shooting percentage untill mid season or later. Lazar was a much better 3 point shooter even though his percentage was lower. I'd still rather have DJO shooting 3's over Crowder this year despite his poor percentage so far.
Quote from: flash on December 04, 2010, 10:38:09 PM
If you're trying to say that Jae Crowder is a better 3 point shooter based on his 41.7% (5-12) than Lazar you are misguided. I don't think you can judge some one's shooting percentage untill mid season or later. Lazar was a much better 3 point shooter even though his percentage was lower. I'd still rather have DJO shooting 3's over Crowder this year despite his poor percentage so far.
Of course I'd want DJO to take more 3's than Crowder as well..and feel DJO is the best 3 point shooter on the team..like everyone else. I also agree that it takes more than 12 attempts as sample size to predict future sucess. All this said in his career Lazar shot the following percentages for the the season:
Freshman - 20%
Sophomore - 45%
Junior - 35%
Senior - 35%
I suspect Crowder will finish the season in the 35-40% range from 3...and as a result will make a case to say that: When it is all said and done this year, your statement of: Lazar is a much better 3 point shooter..may be wrong.
Well, I've liked him since I first saw him play - he will be fun to follow the next few years.
He's a good ballplayer ... let him have fun.
so, if he is reading this - Jae, don't change your demeanor and just keep playing the way you play -
you are a crowd pleaser...
Quote from: LovinCrowder on December 04, 2010, 11:28:00 PM
Well, I've liked him since I first saw him play - he will be fun to follow the next few years.
"Few years??" We only get him for this season and the next.
Somebody needs to start challenging Buzz on Crowder's minutes. Who would you rather have in the game--Bucyks or Crowder?
I rest my case.
You really lose some legitimacy when you continuously misspell Buycks.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on December 05, 2010, 07:30:01 AM
You really lose some legitimacy when you continuously misspell Buycks.
Sorry, I will strive to do better.
Answer the question, who would you rather have in the game, Bikes or Crowder?
Quote from: willie warrior on December 05, 2010, 09:29:47 AM
Sorry, I will strive to do better.
Answer the question, who would you rather have in the game, Bikes or Crowder?
Crawdir. Chute all these spilling errorz are "bothering" me.
Quote from: murobrob on December 04, 2010, 08:04:45 PM
My issue with Crowder is that he is heaving up the 3s. Maybe he has been a great 3 point shooter in JUCO but it just does not seem like a natural fit for his game with this team. It is an open shot in the offense and Lazar used to bury them but Jae is not Lazar in terms of his outside shot.
Other than that...they are "kids" in Division 1 sports....the range of emotions and behaviors must be something to behold on a day-to-day basis.
So far Crowder has taken only open threes and has been pretty successful. Crowder at this time has palyed 8 division one games. Last year at this time Lazar had 100 division one games under his belt.
I'm fine with Crowder's three point selection, especially at the top of the key. He's usually wide open when he shoots it.
Quote from: bilsu on December 05, 2010, 10:15:52 PM
So far Crowder has taken only open threes and has been pretty successful. Crowder at this time has palyed 8 division one games. Last year at this time Lazar had 100 division one games under his belt.
I can only remember one rushed 3 by him, think it was against Duke. The rest, top of the key, with a few seconds to shoot it.
One other thing about Crowder shooting the three, more often than not, he has enough time to look for a better option. I noticed that a couple times in the last game against Longwood. He would get the pass outside the arc, look first to pass, then spot up and take the three. When you have that much time and are willing to look to see if there's a better option, you really can't complain about his shot selection, especially as he's shooting 40% from 3-point range, and shot 36% for Howard last year.
Quote from: brewcity77 on December 06, 2010, 09:08:37 AM
One other thing about Crowder shooting the three, more often than not, he has enough time to look for a better option. I noticed that a couple times in the last game against Longwood. He would get the pass outside the arc, look first to pass, then spot up and take the three. When you have that much time and are willing to look to see if there's a better option, you really can't complain about his shot selection, especially as he's shooting 40% from 3-point range, and shot 36% for Howard last year.
+1. Well said. You can be rest assured that other teams are watching this on film and will have to guard him out on the 3 point line in the primary and secondary break. As a result, this will soon open up many other options on the break. Especially if he stays above 35%.
I love Crowder's game and I love his demeanor. He plays with so much energy and positivity. If you had to play against a team of 8 Crowders you would be in a heap of trouble.