Hard fought game between our biggest rivals. ND made their free throws down the stretch.
Gasser...0 pts, 3 rebs, 5 fouls
SOTG right there
Not sure either team is particularly good, but if this Badger team is what everyone is fearing, we are far, far, far worse than I've seen in our first seven games.
Switching to a smaller line-up really helped out ND.
Let's use our athleticism and beat up Bucky!
I missed the 2nd half. Did ND "out" athlete the Badgers?
Quote from: Doris Burkes Thong on November 28, 2010, 08:10:56 PM
I missed the 2nd half. Did ND "out" athlete the Badgers?
It didn't really feel like pure athleticism, though ND definitely had the edge there. Bucky built a big lead, 11 points, but most of that came from a string of three straight 3's in the period of about a minute. After a brief bit of hot shooting, they went cold and couldn't rebound. And as ND stormed back, it seemed to impact the UW psyche. Unlike Marquette last night, who had an answer every time UW-M got close, Bucky let ND take the lead with a lot of dumb mistakes. Fouling on a errant three, traveling, throwing the ball out of bounds, Gasser fouling out, and the better ND played, the more mistakes Bucky played. Very undisciplined for a Bo Ryan team.
Quote from: Victor McCormick on November 28, 2010, 07:55:05 PM
Gasser...0 pts, 3 rebs, 5 fouls
I wish Buzz would quit with the switchables and get more of the traditionals.
Outscored 15-0 in the last 4 minutes until Leuer throws in a meaningless 3 with 7 seconds left. Major choke job and Gasser goes for the ziggy. Somebody talk Chicos off the ledge - quick.
Now there's an off day before the championship game of the Old Spice Classic? We could have used that last year.
Wow. The B11 has taken a beating by mid-tier BE teams. Really thought that this was the year for the Big Ten. Anyone else feel that the Old Spice field was weak this year vs. last? Not to take anything away from Bucky or the Domers, but this whole field played some bad basketball. Next year: DePaul.
Ok, I turned it on with less than a minute to play - was watching the BCS show and forgot about it. So, seriously, for those who watched our game and this game. If we play like last night and badgers play like tonight, who wins?
Both UW and N.D. games will come down to pace of play for MU. If we get hooked in a snail's pace, aggravating half court yuck-fest, MU could have trouble as we have seen what our half court offense can regress to unless someone is hot from the outside. I say, press, cause turnovers, switch athletes in and out and run both of them out of the gym. Rebounding and pressing the pace will be key.
UW and ND looked like pedestrian nonfactors tonight. Of course, I only watched bits and pieces as it was difficult on the eyes.
Quote from: brewcity77 on November 28, 2010, 08:14:54 PM
It didn't really feel like pure athleticism, though ND definitely had the edge there. Bucky built a big lead, 11 points, but most of that came from a string of three straight 3's in the period of about a minute. After a brief bit of hot shooting, they went cold and couldn't rebound. And as ND stormed back, it seemed to impact the UW psyche. Unlike Marquette last night, who had an answer every time UW-M got close, Bucky let ND take the lead with a lot of dumb mistakes. Fouling on a errant three, traveling, throwing the ball out of bounds, Gasser fouling out, and the better ND played, the more mistakes Bucky played. Very undisciplined for a Bo Ryan team.
Thanks for the recap brew.
ND was in the double bonus with a good amount of time left in the second half. That seemed very atypical as we all know Bo's teams do not foul. He seemed incredulous when Gasser ran over the rebounder late in the game for his 5th foul.
Gottlieb credited Brey's switch to man-to-man defense in the second half with sparking the run. Seemed that when ND was aggressive, Bo's team stopped executing.
Quote from: brewcity77 on November 28, 2010, 07:59:03 PM
Not sure either team is particularly good, but if this Badger team is what everyone is fearing, we are far, far, far worse than I've seen in our first seven games.
Only saw the last 5 minutes and UW looked terrible. For those that saw the whole game, how did they have a double digit lead going into the latter part of the game?
Thanks in advance
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on November 28, 2010, 08:18:51 PM
Wow. The B11 has taken a beating by mid-tier BE teams. Really thought that this was the year for the Big Ten. Anyone else feel that the Old Spice field was weak this year vs. last? Not to take anything away from Bucky or the Domers, but this whole field played some bad basketball. Next year: DePaul.
Pomeroy has them #1 conference....I suspect that's where they will be all year long.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on November 28, 2010, 08:28:07 PM
Only saw the last 5 minutes and UW looked terrible. For those that saw the whole game, how did they have a double digit lead going into the latter part of the game?
Thanks in advance
It was back and forth and then UW hit three 3's in a row. I don't know if that got it to 11, but that's where they pulled away from ND for awhile.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on November 28, 2010, 08:28:07 PM
Only saw the last 5 minutes and UW looked terrible. For those that saw the whole game, how did they have a double digit lead going into the latter part of the game?
Thanks in advance
It was close coming out of halftime, ND was up 22-19. Badgers started decent, tied the game and went ahead 28-26. Then they got their big boost. ND missed on three straight trips down, Badgers came back and drilled three consecutive three-pointers to go ahead 37-26. From that point on, Notre Dame dominated the game.
But I bet Becky is happy they were perfect from the line. Traditional players coming through.
Gasser = tradition incarnate. UW will DESTROY us!
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on November 28, 2010, 08:29:07 PM
Pomeroy has them #1 conference....I suspect that's where they will be all year long.
Couldn't find his conference ratings, but this happens every single year. I was talking to a friend and Bucky fan a few weeks ago who was touting the Big Televen. I told him that every year, some new conference was billed as the best in the country. The ACC, the Big 12, the Big 10...every single year one of them is called the best conference in the land. Then teams actually start playing games, Big East teams begin the annual non-conference beatdowns, and by the end of November everyone knows that the Big East is the best conference in the land again, and on their way to at least 8 NCAA bids. Yawn...no real surprise that it's happening again this year.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on November 28, 2010, 08:29:07 PM
Pomeroy has them #1 conference....I suspect that's where they will be all year long.
Just like last year if I remember...except Real Time already has BE moving ahead. Purdue (bad loss), Wisco (two losses to a bit lower ranked teams), MSU (lower ranked loss) and Illinois (a bit lower ranked Texas). Minnesota is the cream and we all know MSU peaks at the end. I think the B11 is stronger in the middle and the caboose than others...but boy, a brutal couple of days on neutral floors. The Badger football team again outscores Bo's Bois.
btw, I think ND will finish higher in the BE than their preseason ranking. They are experienced and learned how to play efficiently last year with Goody out.
Quote from: brewcity77 on November 28, 2010, 08:45:37 PM
Couldn't find his conference ratings, but this happens every single year. I was talking to a friend and Bucky fan a few weeks ago who was touting the Big Televen. I told him that every year, some new conference was billed as the best in the country. The ACC, the Big 12, the Big 10...every single year one of them is called the best conference in the land. Then teams actually start playing games, Big East teams begin the annual non-conference beatdowns, and by the end of November everyone knows that the Big East is the best conference in the land again, and on their way to at least 8 NCAA bids. Yawn...no real surprise that it's happening again this year.
Do you honestly think last year the Big East was the best conference in the country? You would be probably the only one. There is a bottom side to a conference and our bottom wasn't very good.
We'll see how this year shakes out as the games are played.
Here are the conference ratings for you
http://kenpom.com/conf.php?c=BE
Big Ten 1st, Big East 3rd so far
The Badgers did look pretty bad. I still think it will be a very close game against them, and that we will eke out a win in the closing seconds.
Their shooting was pretty bad, especially from beyond the arc. Got lulled into some poor shots from ND's 2-3 zone. Weren't getting any paint touches, just passing around the perimeter and jacking up treys once the shot clock wound down. They made a few in a row, but overall shot relatively poorly.
Quote from: chapman on November 28, 2010, 08:18:14 PM
Now there's an off day before the championship game of the Old Spice Classic? We could have used that last year.
There was last year. We beat Xavier on Thanksgiving, Michigan on Friday and lost to FSU Sunday night.
Quote from: chapman on November 28, 2010, 08:18:14 PM
Now there's an off day before the championship game of the Old Spice Classic? We could have used that last year.
There always been an off day. College football Saturday for TV.
It was a great time. I went last season to Orlando. Milk House is a nice arena.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on November 28, 2010, 08:18:51 PM
Wow. The B11 has taken a beating by mid-tier BE teams. Really thought that this was the year for the Big Ten. Anyone else feel that the Old Spice field was weak this year vs. last? Not to take anything away from Bucky or the Domers, but this whole field played some bad basketball. Next year: DePaul.
Field was terrible...I've never seen a tournament with such low scoring. Brey noted in his post game interview that he thought the BEAST had won 7 of the "preseason" tournaments. Like you said, Izzo has his kids ready at the end of the year...outside of that, I'm not too sure what the B10 has. MN is probably a bit of a sleeper at this point, as is UCONN to the BEAST. Ohio State seems untested. Didn't get much out of their FL game.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on November 28, 2010, 08:48:09 PM
Do you honestly think last year the Big East was the best conference in the country? You would be probably the only one. There is a bottom side to a conference and our bottom wasn't very good.
We'll see how this year shakes out as the games are played.
Here are the conference ratings for you
http://kenpom.com/conf.php?c=BE
Big Ten 1st, Big East 3rd so far
Yeah, the BE has a weak underbelly for sure. The B10 just doesn't have a lot of great teams, but they have a solid core to bottom.
I'm just glad that Badger fans will shut the hell up this year about their perceived superiority now that they have the same record whereas we were beat by the number one team in the country and a top 25 team
Also we lost in the exact same tournament in the exact same game in remarkably similar circumstances last year so they can't hold that over our heads.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on November 28, 2010, 08:58:56 PM
There was last year. We beat Xavier on Thanksgiving, Michigan on Friday and lost to FSU Sunday night.
Hmm, don't remember it. Guess me, the team or both didn't get enough rest on that off day.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on November 28, 2010, 09:07:35 PM
Yeah, the BE has a weak underbelly for sure. The B10 just doesn't have a lot of great teams, but they have a solid core to bottom.
Percentage wise I don't know that it's that much different... there are only 11 teams in the Big Ten (until they add a horrible bball team to make it 12)... Iowa, Michigan, Penn State and I4 are all bad news. 4/11 (5/12 if you include incoming Nebraska) are bad teams.
I'm not including Northwestern in that group and they are a school that has never made the tourney. Seems like a "weak underbelly" to me.
Quote from: SacWarrior on November 28, 2010, 09:09:11 PM
I'm just glad that Badger fans will shut the hell up this year about their perceived superiority now that they have the same record whereas we were beat by the number one team in the country and a top 25 team
Also we lost in the exact same tournament in the exact same game in remarkably similar circumstances last year so they can't hold that over our heads.
Lol...do you really care that much about what Badger fans say about MU? Were you getting taunted about the Old Spice Classic loss from last year?
Quote from: Jay Bee on November 28, 2010, 09:18:16 PM
Percentage wise I don't know that it's that much different... there are only 11 teams in the Big Ten (until they add a horrible bball team to make it 12)... Iowa, Michigan, Penn State and I4 are all bad news. 4/11 (5/12 if you include incoming Nebraska) are bad teams.
I'm not including Northwestern in that group and they are a school that has never made the tourney. Seems like a "weak underbelly" to me.
Well, then start your own rating service. Just explaining why the ratings are the way they are.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on November 28, 2010, 09:07:35 PM
Yeah, the BE has a weak underbelly for sure. The B10 just doesn't have a lot of great teams, but they have a solid core to bottom.
Seriously? Last year's "bottom core" included Penn State, Indiana and Iowa. Not sure, but I think IU and Iowa had a lower RPI than DePaul.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on November 28, 2010, 09:19:25 PM
Lol...do you really care that much about what Badger fans say about MU? Were you getting taunted about the Old Spice Classic loss from last year?
I'm just anticipating the atmosphere at the Bradley Center on the 11th.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on November 28, 2010, 09:28:58 PM
Seriously? Last year's "bottom core" included Penn State, Indiana and Iowa. Not sure, but I think IU and Iowa had a lower RPI than DePaul.
Look, I'm just describing how the RPI is how it is...not defending it.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on November 28, 2010, 09:20:06 PM
Well, then start your own rating service. Just explaining why the ratings are the way they are.
Look, I'm just describing how the RPI is how it is...not defending it.
Why would I start my own rating service? I'm just pointing out that your claim is not supported by facts.
You're just describing how the RPI is? The Big East is ranked #1 in the RPI as of now.
Last year there was Penn State at 194, Iowa and 210 and I4 at 222 in the Big11... Big East had one team at 212 and the next lowest of the 15 remaining teams was at 161.
Quote from: Jay Bee on November 28, 2010, 09:18:16 PM
Percentage wise I don't know that it's that much different... there are only 11 teams in the Big Ten (until they add a horrible bball team to make it 12)... Iowa, Michigan, Penn State and I4 are all bad news. 4/11 (5/12 if you include incoming Nebraska) are bad teams.
I'm not including Northwestern in that group and they are a school that has never made the tourney. Seems like a "weak underbelly" to me.
Two years ago the Big East sent 8 teams and the bids were awesome...3 number one seeds.
Last year a different story. We're always going to get 7 or 8 bids but the seeding will largely reflect how good the conference is.
The Big Ten with MSU, Ohio State, Illinois and Minnesota are very good. If Hummel hadn't been hurt, Purdue is in that list as well. Wisconsin comes into that next tier. My guess would be the Big Ten receives 6 or 7 bids this year, which will be a higher percentage than the Big East.
Just a guess, should be fun to watch it all play out. MU and UW both are flawed teams that have some questions to answer.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on November 28, 2010, 09:28:58 PM
Seriously? Last year's "bottom core" included Penn State, Indiana and Iowa. Not sure, but I think IU and Iowa had a lower RPI than DePaul.
Last year the Big Ten finished behind the Big East in the Pomeroy, it was actually the ACC that was number one followed by the Big 12.
The bottom of the Big Ten was bad last year...worse than the bottom of the Big East. Both Iowa and IU were below DePaul last year (Iowa by 1 spot). Penn State was actually a top 100 team and placed well ahead of DePaul, Rutgers.
The difference was last year the Big Ten had four top 25 Pom teams...more than almost 40% of their conference. The Big East also had four top 25 teams, but that's only 25% of the conference. So the very top of the Big Ten was rated higher than the very top of the Big East (in percentage terms).
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on November 28, 2010, 08:48:09 PM
Do you honestly think last year the Big East was the best conference in the country? You would be probably the only one. There is a bottom side to a conference and our bottom wasn't very good.
Sure, we get hurt by the likes of DePaul and Rutgers, but I'd take our 1-12 against any conference in the country.
Pitt, Nova, 'Cuse, G'Town, and UConn all look like very high level teams right now, on par with anyone's top 5. West Virginia, Louisville, Notre Dame, Cincy, and us have all been very competitive, and I highly doubt any other conference has a 6-10 that is equal to those teams. And if you factor in the senior-laden St. John's and a Seton Hall team that has three unfortunate close losses all to top 50 teams, I think that puts us on top.
Yes, there are more cupcakes, but 1-12, we beat anyone. St. John's and Seton Hall are better in my opinion than teams like Penn State, Indiana, Michigan, Nebraska, Colorado, Iowa State, Virginia, Wake Forest, Auburn, Arkansas, Georgia, or any other bottom feeders that reside in the other Big 6 conferences.
Yes, DePaul, Rutgers, and Providence (despite their 5-1 record) all pretty much suck. But even South Florida isn't too bad...all their losses are in the single-digits to teams in the top 52. I realize that those teams bring down the average, so the Big East hurts itself with its size, but I still think that in terms of quality teams and difficulty of the opposition, no conference in the country is better than the BEast.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on November 28, 2010, 09:58:40 PM
Two years ago the Big East sent 8 teams and the bids were awesome...3 number one seeds.
Last year a different story. We're always going to get 7 or 8 bids but the seeding will largely reflect how good the conference is.
The Big Ten with MSU, Ohio State, Illinois and Minnesota are very good. If Hummel hadn't been hurt, Purdue is in that list as well. Wisconsin comes into that next tier. My guess would be the Big Ten receives 6 or 7 bids this year, which will be a higher percentage than the Big East.
Just a guess, should be fun to watch it all play out. MU and UW both are flawed teams that have some questions to answer.
The issue is that my response was to the claim that the Big East had an especially 'weak underbelly' as compared to the Big 11. I agree, the Big11 should get 5, 6 or 7 bids this year. So what? They've got 4 teams that are bad.
BTW, I have guarded optimism when it comes to the Gophers. I put tOSU and MSU above everyone, then you can mix up 3-6 how you wish and I believe it would be reasonable. Then, NW... and then the 4 bad teams. Gophers/Virginia tomorrow night - Big Ten/11/12-ACC Challenge senior PG Al Nolen and sophomore wing Rodney Williams will likely not play. Hoping combo guard Devoe Joseph comes off the bench.
Sagarin has Big East as the best conference right now. Pomeroy still has most of its value coming from last year at this point.
Big East has been the best conference so far and its really not that close.
ND wins old spice
UCONN wins Maui
Pitt wins tourny
Nova finishes 2nd in tourny
WV finishes 2nd in tourny
GT wins tourny
Syracuse unbeaten(though not impressive)
ND beat UW by gettting to the free throw line, making them and not allowing UW to shoot free throws. they also killed them on the glass.
If UW continues to brick their jumpers like they have we should win........if they hit 3's against us like almost everyone else has we likely won't.
BEAST is surprisingly the best conference so far this year, and it isn't close. Our top 11 hands down better than the Big 11s teams.
Our average will rarely be 1st due to 3 or 4 teams at the bottom having such a lower average to pull it down overall, but if you use the ACC/Big 10 challenge format, the BEAST is absolutely the prohibitive favorite against any conference this year.
Quote from: Doris Burkes Thong on November 28, 2010, 08:10:56 PM
I missed the 2nd half. Did ND "out" athlete the Badgers?
I believe the term is "out non-traditionalized" the badgers.
Quote from: Jay Bee on November 28, 2010, 09:56:17 PM
Why would I start my own rating service? I'm just pointing out that your claim is not supported by facts.
You're just describing how the RPI is? The Big East is ranked #1 in the RPI as of now.
Sorry...the kenpom ratings.
"Traditional players" and Gasser references.
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The ND-UW game wasn't pretty. Both teams did not look good. ND looked better. The Badgers traditionally play better as the season progresses. Their slow pace make for boring games to watch. They will have trouble against fast, pressing teams that play transition ball like MU. The Badgers may do ok in the Big Ten because the other teams play similar slow paced, 1/2 court games. The truth is that there is no comparison between the Big Ten and Big East. The Big Ten plays a "football" style (slow and steady) game while the Big East plays fast and athletic ball.
Hard to play fast when the other team wants to play slow.
UW will slow it down and have at least 3 people back to stop our transition game.
The win moved Notre Dame into the 25 spot of the AP poll.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on November 29, 2010, 01:06:29 PM
The win moved Notre Dame into the 25 spot of the AP poll.
Big east represents well in the poll. MU gets 2 votes in the ESPN coaches poll. See link, you need to change the drop down to see the ESPN poll...
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/rankings?poll=1
Im a MU and Minnesota fan and if both these teams dont win solidly against Becky this year, I will be severely disappointed. The get out and run athletic style for MU at home should easily be enough, especially since Becky struggles from deep just as much as us. The Gophers should just straight manhandle the badgers with rebounding even at the KOHL.
Could be a solid college bball season before the new year!!!!
better not get swept by ND later though.
Best post from http://www.jsonline.com/sports/badgers/110944629.html?page=1
"gbtitle - Nov 28, 2010 8:47 PM» Orlando, FL -- The "UW FANS For Equitable Mintues Distribution" Report (Nov. 28, 2010 / vs. Notre Dame edition):
First 5:19 of 1H = UW outscored 4-to-6. Overall (-2) without Player #24.
Next 5:07 of 1H = UW gains 7-to-5. Overall (+2) WITH Player #24.
Next 5:47 of 1H = UW gains 8-to-5. Overall (+3) without Player #24.
Last 3:47 of 1H = UW outscored 0-to-6. Overall (-6) WITH Player #24.
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First 5:58 of 2H = UW gains 9-to-4. Overall (+5) without Player #24.
Next 7:39 of 2H = UW gains 15-to-13. Overall (+2) WITH Player #24.
Next 2:26 of 2H = UW gains 5-to-4. Overall (+1) without Player #24.
Last 3:57 of 2H = UW outscored 3-to-15. Overall (-12) WITH Player #24.
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OVERALL:
Without Player #24 on the court: UW outscored ND, 26-to-19, (+7), in 19:30.
WITH Player #24 on the court, UW was outscored, 25-to-39, (-14) in 20:30."
Another poster: "gbtitle - I agree that TJ is not a division 1 BB player."
Yet another: "WCBadger - I couldn't disagree more. Bo recruits fine players. Didn't we here all fall how good Leuer was at the US team camp this past summer? Jordan Taylor is a stud. Gasser has awesome instincts. The problem with the Badgers is Bo's division III offense. It's horrible!!! If they shoot well beyond the arc, they have a good chance to win, but unfortunately they're not hot every night (actually far from it). Bo's been great for UW, but it's time for a change if UW wants to move on in the tournament. Otherwise it will be 20 wins and out in the first or second round every year. I'm not OK with that. UW can do better then that and deserves better then that."
I'm surprised that UW wins despite "the lack of talent." But I guess Badger fans aren't too happy with the frequent visits to the NCAAs. ::)
Quote from: HaywardsHeroes32 on November 29, 2010, 05:42:59 PM
Im a MU and Minnesota fan and if both these teams dont win solidly against Becky this year, I will be severely disappointed. The get out and run athletic style for MU at home should easily be enough, especially since Becky struggles from deep just as much as us. The Gophers should just straight manhandle the badgers with rebounding even at the KOHL.
Could be a solid college bball season before the new year!!!!
Trevor is beasting it up early on vs. Virginia.. wow.. starting freaking Ahanmisi at PG and the Gophers still look great. Virginia probably wants to call it a game now...
Virginia kept it steady for the second half of the 1st half thanks to some lights out shooting, but the gophers are deep rolling 5 man line changes and without starting PG Nolan. It shows how much they missed the lone true scorer in Devoe Joseph who already has 10. Wait til they get healthy(and out of trouble). Scary.
I hope MU and U of M can meet in the NCAA tourney this year. I think it would be a fun game. The Gophers would abuse on the boards but they do turn it over a fair amount and if MU got out and started to run it could be a fun game with JB picking up fouls on Iverson(complete blockhead) and big Ralph.
Lets hope its a Sweet 16 game!!!
scratch all that. Gophers suck without nolan.