Christopherson made all 11 of his shots (5 3's) for 29 points last night as Iowa State crushed Drake. Good to see him doing well.
http://scores.espn.go.com/ncb/recap?gameId=303210066
That's nothin'. Wait till Gasser's next game. Buzz may have f'ed up major on both these dudes..
How is Matt Mortensen doing these days?
can't wait to 2nd semester so we can get game by game updates on that Maymon player too...
Wesley Matthews had a great game the other night, let's talk about that instead of Christopherson.
WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO CARES?!
Is this an Iowa State forum now too?
I thought it was an Indiana forum last week.
How did Scott's defense look?
Quote from: SacWarrior on November 18, 2010, 11:09:18 AM
Is this an Iowa State forum now too?
I thought it was an Indiana forum last week.
It is, but only when bashing former players and coaches. When there is any praise or recognition, then it becomes a major problem for some. Remember, you're only allowed to destroy former players, coaches, etc...it's a one way street.
Real simple. Don't like it then don't read it. Why you waste time posting on it I have no idea.
Quote from: drewm88 on November 18, 2010, 10:34:30 AM
Christopherson made all 11 of his shots (5 3's) for 29 points last night as Iowa State crushed Drake. Good to see him doing well.
http://scores.espn.go.com/ncb/recap?gameId=303210066
My grandson had a great game in the CYO friendly last night. He got there on time, had the oranges ready for half time, and was impressive slapping hands at the end of the game!
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on November 18, 2010, 12:20:17 PM
Real simple. Don't like it then don't read it. Why you waste time posting on it I have no idea.
Totally agree. Finding out how Christopherson is doing is mildly interesting to me. Maybe a 2 on the scale 1-10. I appreciate the link. It's not like he's posting about some random guy with no affiliation to MU at all. Also count me in on being interested in how Maymom will do upon his return.
Quote from: Freeport Warrior on November 18, 2010, 03:17:11 PM
Totally agree. Finding out how Christopherson is doing is mildly interesting to me. Maybe a 2 on the scale 1-10. I appreciate the link. It's not like he's posting about some random guy with no affiliation to MU at all. Also count me in on being interested in how Maymom will do upon his return.
How about Niv? We need to establish a Berkie Hotline
how grumpy do you have to be to make a post protesting that something isn't MU-enough for a cursory topic on scoop? we need some kind of MU-enough litmus test.
as for Scott, it is nice to see him do well. the way i see it, recruits that are brought onto the team are a part of the MU family. if you can be an alum without graduating, you can certainly be considered an at least tangential aspect of the basketball program.
So Mbakwe is family? I guess the old saying had some merit. You can pick your friends, but family you're stuck with.
i'll admit, bringing up ole trevor certainly makes me feel uncomfortable with the family analogy. but then again, just as we don't often cut other schools' past recruits a ton of slack, im sure other fans of other schools remember Mbakwe as an original MU recruit. id like to substitute history for family, but then again, that might be pretty disingenuous. makes me glad i have a lot of trust in Buzz i guess.
Quote from: MUBurrow on November 18, 2010, 03:25:27 PM
how grumpy do you have to be to make a post protesting that something isn't MU-enough for a cursory topic on scoop? we need some kind of MU-enough litmus test.
as for Scott, it is nice to see him do well. the way i see it, recruits that are brought onto the team are a part of the MU family. if you can be an alum without graduating, you can certainly be considered an at least tangential aspect of the basketball program.
how insecure do you have to be to want to know on a continuing basis how someone we spurned or spurned us is doing? Gotta' be sure that they know they made a mistake and are not as cool as they would be, and, are, ergo not as cool as us, by not being part of the us is that is me!
Quote from: MUBurrow on November 18, 2010, 03:25:27 PM
how grumpy do you have to be to make a post protesting that something isn't MU-enough for a cursory topic on scoop? we need some kind of MU-enough litmus test.
as for Scott, it is nice to see him do well. the way i see it, recruits that are brought onto the team are a part of the MU family. if you can be an alum without graduating, you can certainly be considered an at least tangential aspect of the basketball program.
Agreed
Quote from: MUBurrow on November 18, 2010, 03:25:27 PM
as for Scott, it is nice to see him do well. the way i see it, recruits that are brought onto the team are a part of the MU family.
Jeronne Maymon ... our brother?
Does this mean I have to call Tim Maymon 'dad'?
Quote from: ATWizJr on November 18, 2010, 03:55:20 PM
how insecure do you have to be to want to know on a continuing basis how someone we spurned or spurned us is doing?
Actually, it is the exact opposite of insecurity. I am curious how they are performing, and in Scott's case, hope he is performing well and is happy.
And again, if you are so upset about it, don't read the thread.
Quote from: ATWizJr on November 18, 2010, 03:55:20 PM
how insecure do you have to be to want to know on a continuing basis how someone we spurned or spurned us is doing? Gotta' be sure that they know they made a mistake and are not as cool as they would be, and, are, ergo not as cool as us, by not being part of the us is that is me!
Interesting, I don't recall this exact same verbiage being used EVER by you against any of the 100's of post started by people here regarding a former coach. :-\ So many opportunities, too.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on November 18, 2010, 04:34:19 PM
Interesting, I don't recall this exact same verbiage being used EVER by you against any of the 100's of post started by people here regarding a former coach. :-\ So many opportunities, too.
Exactly. And I have completely ignored the Crean Cleaning Up thread. Pretty easy.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on November 18, 2010, 04:34:19 PM
Interesting, I don't recall this exact same verbiage being used EVER by you against any of the 100's of post started by people here regarding a former coach. :-\ So many opportunities, too.
Well, my patience has run out and I felt the need to vent.
Good for him. But he also went 1-10 with 3 TOs in their opener against Northern Arizona.
Quote from: Jacks DC on November 19, 2010, 06:42:03 AM
Good for him. But he also went 1-10 with 3 TOs in their opener against Northern Arizona.
And 15 points on 6-11 shooting in his 2nd game against Alabama State. Averaging 16 ppg, 3 rpg, 3 apg, and 1 spg on 56% shooting, 100% from the line, and 69% from 3 point range.
Not too shabby for a D3 player playing in D1...not too shabby. ::)
I want to know how guys with any MU connection are doing. It's the same way with kids my daughter played with and against in HS. I just like knowing how they are doing.
I suspect Chicos has an agenda, but there are those who don't.
Quote from: ATWizJr on November 18, 2010, 05:26:35 PM
Well, my patience has run out and I felt the need to vent.
Of course....
Quote from: Jacks DC on November 19, 2010, 06:42:03 AM
Good for him. But he also went 1-10 with 3 TOs in their opener against Northern Arizona.
And DJO is 2-8 so far this year in 3's. Stats can tell any story you want.
Nice game by SC, it's rare at any level (especially for a guard having to shoot from distance) to have a perfect shooting night. 5 for 5 on 3's, 11 for 11 from the floor, and perfect from the line. Tip of the hat to a good kid and a former Marquette Warrior!
SC got a writeup in Basketball Prospectus for his performance. There is also a Wesley Matthews mention.
http://www.basketballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=1291
Quote from: ATWizJr on November 18, 2010, 03:55:20 PM
how insecure do you have to be to want to know on a continuing basis how someone we spurned or spurned us is doing? Gotta' be sure that they know they made a mistake and are not as cool as they would be, and, are, ergo not as cool as us, by not being part of the us is that is me!
Sounds like an ex girlfriend.
Gotta keep checking on facebook or twitter or whatever to make sure they arent doing as well as we want them to and just to feel better knowing we're doing better off without them. But in the end it doesn't really matter how good or bad they're doing. We (buzz) can only control what we (the team) does. and I'm pretty happy with our success so far. Not as bitter as a few other scoopers are
How's Liam doing?
Brett Roseboro has 4 points and 4 rebounds-----in 4 games! How did Buzz let him get away?
Quote from: Ari Gold on November 23, 2010, 02:41:20 PM
How's Liam doing?
Awesome. Last game 9 minutes off the bench, no points, no boards, 3 fouls.
(But that was game 2 of the year... game 1 he actually did go against NC St and scored 4, grabbed 9 in 19 minutes)
Interesting that Chicos knows SC is 'a good kid'
Quote from: Jay Bee on November 23, 2010, 03:01:14 PM
Interesting that Chicos knows SC is 'a good kid'
I know Scott's a good kid. We used to hang out quite a bit in his 1 year here. We still keep in touch. Really nice guy.
Quote from: SalsaMan on November 18, 2010, 03:18:28 PM
How about Niv? We need to establish a Berkie Hotline
Niv played 10 minutes and scored 2 points, 1 assist, 1 steal and 2 turnovers against Bnei Hasharon last night,
http://www.eurobasket.com/player.asp?Cntry=ISR&PlayerID=64712
Quote from: Jay Bee on November 23, 2010, 03:01:14 PM
Interesting that Chicos knows SC is 'a good kid'
Actually I do, from several very solid sources who I trust implicitly.
Quote from: wadesworld on November 23, 2010, 03:03:31 PM
I know Scott's a good kid. We used to hang out quite a bit in his 1 year here. We still keep in touch. Really nice guy.
Absolutely everything I've heard (from coaches, administrators, etc) say the same thing. I have a very dear friend in the ISU athletic department and she says he is a class act all the way.
Quote from: wadesworld on November 23, 2010, 03:03:31 PM
I know Scott's a good kid. We used to hang out quite a bit in his 1 year here. We still keep in touch. Really nice guy.
So YOU know. And I'm glad that he's a good guy. I want all the guys that come to MU to be good guys. But Jay Bee's question remains unanswered.
Edit: As I was typing, Chicos posted on how he knows that Scott is a good guy. Explanation accepted.
Whew...I am so relieved :D
Will someone PLEASE throw up some Andy Freund updates?
Quote from: turk17 on November 23, 2010, 04:40:13 PM
Will someone PLEASE throw up some Andy Freund updates?
http://www.lostlettermen.com/Andy_Freund-Marquette-basketball-Big_East-p22662/
What's Carlton Christian up to these days?
And really, who's keeping track of Amo and his big guns?
James "Manchild" Matthews
I miss Dameon Mason :D .... well freshman Dameon Mason, whooeee.
I think i noticed last year how so & so did (big recruit we didn't land, name escapes me) w/ Georgia Tech against UNC.... and saw Mbakwe on the bottom line on ESPN re: the UMinn game....
I wish our departed players the best as long as they are of good character, but only as long as it doesn't interfere with MU's success! :)
With the way we're shooting the 3 this season, the loss of Christopherson will wind up costing us a loss or two this year.
Given how we are defending the likes of Gonzaga and Duke inside, I think losing Mbakwe also will cost us a few wins.
If he keeps ups his early performance, I think we'll regret losing Newbill.
We'll have to wait and see on Maymon.
I don't think we'll miss Liam, Mbao, Hazel, or Roseboro at all.
Maybe should f*ckin' forfeit the whole damn season?
How many game would it cost MU to have Christopherson playing ahead of DJO or Blue? How many more points does he give up to Big East-quality perimter players?
How many games will it cost MU to have Newbill (who doesn't get off the bench on this roster) instead of Jamil Wilson over the following three seasons?
Such silly speculation.
Quote from: Pakuni on November 26, 2010, 04:02:58 PM
How many game would it cost MU to have Christopherson playing ahead of DJO or Blue? How many more points does he give up to Big East-quality perimter players?
None. Having Christopherson would have been a net plus this season. We already narrowly lost one game this year because Mark Few saw that our 3 point shots couldn't hit the ocean.
And given that our current lineup is one of the worst 3 point defensive teams in the country, I hardly think you can make the case that Christopherson would cause us to
become terrible defensively.
As a team, Iowa State is 12 points better than us at defending the three point shot this season.
You've made an assumption--unsubstantiated by fact--that our more athletic backcourt naturally defends the 3 point shot better. That's simply not happening right now.
Quote from: Pakuni on November 26, 2010, 04:02:58 PM
How many games will it cost MU to have Newbill (who doesn't get off the bench on this roster) instead of Jamil Wilson over the following three seasons?
First, I think you're wrong about Newbill not getting off the bench. He's putting up better numbers than most of our current backcourt--even our veterans. And he's even done so against Big East-level competition.
Second, you offer a false premise on the question. Buzz could have picked
any of the 13 players on scholarship or under LOI when he needed to find room for Wilson.
Can't we start a former recruits thread? It would allow those interested to keep track of players after choosing another school, but stops all this eternal fighting of 3 pages on whether or not we should care every time a new thread about a former recruit starts. Some people are interested, no need in getting into a debate every time a recruit goes off.
Quote from: Marquette84 on November 26, 2010, 04:54:29 PM
None. Having Christopherson would have been a net plus this season. We already narrowly lost one game this year because Mark Few saw that our 3 point shots couldn't hit the ocean.
And given that our current lineup is one of the worst 3 point defensive teams in the country, I hardly think you can make the case that Christopherson would cause us to become terrible defensively.
As a team, Iowa State is 12 points better than us at defending the three point shot this season.
You've made an assumption--unsubstantiated by fact--that our more athletic backcourt naturally defends the 3 point shot better. That's simply not happening right now.
First, I think you're wrong about Newbill not getting off the bench. He's putting up better numbers than most of our current backcourt--even our veterans. And he's even done so against Big East-level competition.
Second, you offer a false premise on the question. Buzz could have picked any of the 13 players on scholarship or under LOI when he needed to find room for Wilson.
Pakuni's assertion is that over the course of the year having Christopherson on our roster rather than, say DJO, would cost us more games than it would win us. I can't believe there's anyone out there (even you) who wouldn't agree with that. DJO is simply a vastly superior player on both ends of the court.
Quote from: Marquette84 on November 26, 2010, 04:54:29 PM
None. Having Christopherson would have been a net plus this season. We already narrowly lost one game this year because Mark Few saw that our 3 point shots couldn't hit the ocean.
So you know that Christopherson would have shot lights out against Gonzaga as opposed to, say, the 1-for-10 performance he had against Northern Arizona.
And that DJO's shooitng woes will continue and he won't, in fact, prove to be the better long-range shooter, as he was last year.
Interesting. Remember that I need to invite you to the track some day.
QuoteAnd given that our current lineup is one of the worst 3 point defensive teams in the country, I hardly think you can make the case that Christopherson would cause us to become terrible defensively.
Huh? Who said anything about "defending the 3-point shot."
Nobody but you, of course.
But if think this team wouldn't suffer defensively by replacing DJO or Blue with Christopherson, well then your basketball knowledge is seriously lacking.
QuoteFirst, I think you're wrong about Newbill not getting off the bench. He's putting up better numbers than most of our current backcourt--even our veterans. And he's even done so against Big East-level competition.
Yeah, 9 points against South Florida qualifies as "doing it against Big East level competition." Obviously a valid sample size to show how he'd perform against the Big East.
And South Dakota State's 10-point win over Iowa proves they can handle anyone in the Big 10. Just like Chaminade's win over Oklahoma shows that they are a Big 12-quality team.
QuoteSecond, you offer a false premise on the question. Buzz could have picked any of the 13 players on scholarship or under LOI when he needed to find room for Wilson.
Of course he couldn't have.
All the others were accepted Marquette students with valid NLIs.
rocky's edit: fix quotes
Quote from: Lennys Tap on November 26, 2010, 05:24:28 PM
Pakuni's assertion is that over the course of the year having Christopherson on our roster rather than, say DJO, would cost us more games than it would win us. I can't believe there's anyone out there (even you) who wouldn't agree with that. DJO is simply a vastly superior player on both ends of the court.
Yes, and my assertion is that having Christopherson
in addition to DJO or Blue over the course of the year would win us more games.
Does that clear it up for you?
Sadly, you've fallen for one of Pakuni's tricks. He's been known to present some irrelevant (yet factually correct) statement as if it were a counter-argument. I first caught him doing this when I pointed out that Wade wasn't an RSCI top 100 player. Pakuni tried to dispute me by saying that Wade was 1st team all-state in Illinois. He was absolutely correct, of course. But it didn't change my statement. Wade was not a consensus top 100 player.
Let's go back and look at what I actually said:
"With the way we're shooting the 3 this season, the loss of Christopherson will wind up costing us a loss or two this year. "
He responded with the following (emphasis added):
"How many game would it cost MU to have Christopherson
playing ahead of DJO or Blue?"
Did I say that Christopherson should play
ahead of DJO or Blue? No. Of course not.
And Pakuni knows that. But he didn't want to concede the point so he invented his straw man and argued that instead.
I think we lost the Gonzaga game in large part because of our lousy outside shooting. I think Christopherson would have done one of two things for us--either got us the points we needed by shooting over the zone, or he would have kept the defense honest, opening up the lanes for penetration by DJO or Blue. Either way, Few would have been forced to go back to man defense a hell of lot earlier than he did.
Quote from: Marquette84 on November 26, 2010, 07:26:30 PM
Yes, and my assertion is that having Christopherson in addition to DJO or Blue over the course of the year would win us more games.
DJO filled our last scholarship for 2009-10. If Christopherson doesn't transfer, we don't have the scholie for DJO.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on November 26, 2010, 05:24:28 PM
Pakuni's assertion is that over the course of the year having Christopherson on our roster rather than, say DJO, would cost us more games than it would win us. I can't believe there's anyone out there (even you) who wouldn't agree with that. DJO is simply a vastly superior player on both ends of the court.
I would agree with this, no question DJO is a better player and I would not want SC over DJO. Since there were no scholarships left, it's an easy decision to make.
However, I would like a better shooter, someone with that skill set ahead of a player taken in the next class. It's not a matter of who would you not want, either. It's not a zero sum game. The question in my mind is could we live with one less of the same type of player in which we have many that fit the exact same mold? Instead, do without one of those interchangeable players and get someone that can help you in other ways by possessing a skill set that the "switchables" don't have?
That, to me, is the more relevant question. SC isn't that guy, but there are a ton of very good shooters out there in DI (much more abundant than big men) and we seem to be a team absent any of them sans one, which is frustrating.
Hopefully they can turn it around and someone gets hot and DJO starts to find his stroke. It would go a long way to having a successful season.
Quote from: Pakuni on November 26, 2010, 07:04:22 PM
So you know that Christopherson would have shot lights out against Gonzaga as opposed to, say, the 1-for-10 performance he had against Northern Arizona.
You mean 1 for
4 on 3 point shots in that first game.
I mention how we would miss his 3 point shooting, and somehow you feel that mentioning the six missed TWO point shots is relevant. I can't argue with your fact. You're right--in that Northern Arizona game Chrisopherson did miss six two point shots.
Its just not relevant to what I said.
Quote from: Pakuni on November 26, 2010, 07:04:22 PM
And that DJO's shooitng woes will continue and he won't, in fact, prove to be the better long-range shooter, as he was last year.
Interesting. Remember that I need to invite you to the track some day.
Last year, flanking DJO, we had Acker at 49% and Cubillan at 41% and Hayward at 35%.
This year we have . . . no more acker, no more cuibillan, no more Hayward, and DJO shooting has fallen off to half what it was. And no incoming guards who appear to have either Acker's or Cuby's shooting touch.
So even if DJO does return to his form of last year, we're still down a couple of 3 point shooters.
And what if he DOESN'T return to form?
Quote from: Pakuni on November 26, 2010, 07:04:22 PM
Huh? Who said anything about "defending the 3-point shot."
Nobody but you, of course.
Oh, here's your other game . . False Preciseness.
You said:
"How many more points does he give up to Big East-quality perimter players?"
Of course everyone knows that the perimeter and the 3 point line represent the same region of the court. So 3 point FG% defense is an actual statistic that measures defense from the perimeter.
THAT'S why I mentioned it.
Quote from: Pakuni on November 26, 2010, 07:04:22 PM
But if think this team wouldn't suffer defensively by replacing DJO or Blue with Christopherson, well then your basketball knowledge is seriously lacking.
And of course, once again, this is your usual game of "change the argument."
I never said replace DJO with Christopherson.
And for some strange reason, the backcourt with DJO is allowing a significantly higher percentage of perimeter shots go through the basket than the one with Christopherson. But since you claim my basketball knowledge is lacking, please explain for me why allowing 39% (instead of 27%) on treys is a sign of better defense.
Quote from: Pakuni on November 26, 2010, 07:04:22 PM
Of course he couldn't have.
All the others were accepted Marquette students with valid NLIs.
But, as you yourself have argued so vehemently, the only reason Newbill's wasn't valid was because Buzz
chose to reject him. Any my point was Buzz could have made that choice for any player, since they all signed the same NLI form.
Not to mention, of course, that Buzz had the absolute right to choose not to renew the scholarship of any
returning player. So, as I said, Buzz had 13 choices when he needed a spot for Wilson.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on November 26, 2010, 07:31:39 PM
DJO filled our last scholarship for 2009-10. If Christopherson doesn't transfer, we don't have the scholie for DJO.
Christopherson left after the 2008 season. If he hadn't left, we wouldn't have had Liam McMorrow.
And I'm pretty sure Mbao committed after DJO.
Quote from: Marquette84 on November 26, 2010, 08:25:07 PM
Christopherson left after the 2008 season. If he hadn't left, we wouldn't have had Liam McMorrow.
And I'm pretty sure Mbao committed after DJO.
Yes - DJO was ~April Fool's Day. Mbao was about 4 weeks later.
Quote from: Marquette84 on November 26, 2010, 08:25:07 PM
Christopherson left after the 2008 season. If he hadn't left, we wouldn't have had Liam McMorrow.
And I'm pretty sure Mbao committed after DJO.
OK...had my dates mixed up.
Quote from: Marquette84 on November 26, 2010, 07:26:30 PM
Yes, and my assertion is that having Christopherson in addition to DJO or Blue over the course of the year would win us more games.
Awesome idea.
I'm sure Buzz will implement your program for success as soon as the NCAA allows six players on the court at a time. Until then, though, playing one by necessity means you're not playing one of the others.
Playing Christopherson ahead of Blue means you're trading SC's better shooting for Blue's better defense and all-around game.
Playing Christopherson ahead of DJO measns you're trading his - maybe - better shooting (DJO actually still is a better shooter, career-wise) for all the other things DJO is better at.
You're suggesting MU wins more games making those trades. I disagree.
Does that clear it up for you?
QuotePakuni tried to dispute me by saying that Wade was 1st team all-state in Illinois. He was absolutely correct, of course. But it didn't change my statement. Wade was not a consensus top 100 player.
Welcome to world of telling the truth, but never the whole truth, SJS style. Now explain why you cited Wade's lack of being a consensus top 100 player. Because, of course, you were arguing that he wasn't all that good before he arrived at Marquette, and it was the development he received there - and not the fact he was a helluva player even in high school - that's to be attributed for his success.
QuoteLet's go back and look at what I actually said:
"With the way we're shooting the 3 this season, the loss of Christopherson will wind up costing us a loss or two this year. "
He responded with the following (emphasis added):
"How many game would it cost MU to have Christopherson playing ahead of DJO or Blue?"
Did I say that Christopherson should play ahead of DJO or Blue? No. Of course not.
Pray tell, how does Christopherson get on the court, if not for ahead of DJO and/or Blue? Is he going to play the five? The point? Is MU allowed six players at a time? By nature of the fact SC is a two, and only a two, he must play ahead of either DJO or Blue to get on the court.
QuoteI think we lost the Gonzaga game in large part because of our lousy outside shooting.
I think you didn't watch the game. MU lost the Gonzaga game because they were outrebounded 42 to 26, and allowed 17 offensive boards, leading to 20 second-chance points.
Suggestion Christopherson would be worth an addition 2 to 3 wins is almost as ridiculous as Marquette84's previous actual (vigorously defended) assertion that MU's head coach should adopt players to avoid burning scholarships.
Christopherson chose to leave. There is no either/or. Once Scott chose to leave, God Bless, good luck, who is next? Congratulations to Scott on his success. Not worth nit-picking diatribes.
Quote from: tower912 on November 27, 2010, 02:01:35 PM
Christopherson chose to leave. There is no either/or. Once Scott chose to leave, God Bless, good luck, who is next? Congratulations to Scott on his success. Not worth nit-picking diatribes.
This.......He realized during his freshman season that he was in over his head at this level and knew if he wanted to play major minutes in college he would have to look elseware.
Great kid...glad he is having some success now but he didn't think he could play here so he left....end of story.
Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on November 27, 2010, 01:52:02 PM
Suggestion Christopherson would be worth an addition 2 to 3 wins is a.
Here's what I said:
"With the way we're shooting the 3 this season, the loss of Christopherson will wind up costing us a loss or two this year"
This
should be a non-controversial statement. We are currently ranked
#290 in all of D1 for our 3 point shooting. We
ALREADY lost one game because of poor outside shooting.
A guy--any guy--who could come in with a lifetime 48.5% 3 point shooting average would help this team.
Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on November 27, 2010, 01:52:02 PM
. . . almost as ridiculous as Marquette84's previous actual (vigorously defended) assertion that MU's head coach should adopt players to avoid burning scholarships.
This again? Its almost pathetic how often you trot this one out.
I've always wondered why you've never ever bother to actually link what I posted:
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=3369.msg28489#msg28489 (http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=3369.msg28489#msg28489)
Boy, that was REALLY outrageous of me to merely ask the question. Little did I know that my innocent question would lead to three years of an obsessed moron brining it up over and over again.
Quote from: MuMark on November 27, 2010, 02:54:46 PM
This.......He realized during his freshman season that he was in over his head at this level and knew if he wanted to play major minutes in college he would have to look elseware.
Great kid...glad he is having some success now but he didn't think he could play here so he left....end of story.
The Big 12 isn't a high level?
He knew Buzz wanted a different type of ball player, and that's why he left. Along with the coach who recruited him left, so why stay. That's fairly routine.
For Pakuni, I guess I don't understand your either\or insistence again. Is it not possible to sit a Blue, Smith, etc to get a shooter in there during certain situations or 10 minutes a game?
That's where I brought up Gasser the other day. At the end of the year, will Gasser have better stats and contributions than Reggie Smith? Jones? I'm going to go on a limb and say yes. Now, does that mean he's better than Smith or Jones? Nope, sure doesn't. But therein begs the question I and others have been asking about having basically 5 or 6 guys in which their games are basically the same, a few of them are going to ride pine most of the year, doesn't it make sense to have some skill diversity where you can bring in a kid to do things the rest of your roster can't?
He is a great kid, good to see nice things happen to great kids. Another 16 points today and 4 for 7 behind the arc. He's 18 for 28 (64%) on the year behind the arc which had him 11th in the nation last week but likely will put him in the top 10 after his latest performance.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on November 27, 2010, 07:21:51 PM
For Pakuni, I guess I don't understand your either\or insistence again. Is it not possible to sit a Blue, Smith, etc to get a shooter in there during certain situations or 10 minutes a game?
I think the prospect of being a 10-minute a game role player is the very reason Christopherson left Marquette. And, by all accounts, he made a good decision. He's getting opportunities at ISU that he might never have received at MU, and it's working out well for him. Good for him, I say. I have nothing against the kid. Just those who think his decision to transfer is somehow costing MU multiple wins. Of course, the advocate of that position also believes MU is suffering for the lack of a DJ Newbill on its roster, so maybe I should be better at taking said positions with a grain of salt.
I mean, do you believe that a 10-minute a game role player really makes MU 2+ wins better this season?
DJO with 16 points in the first 10 minutes. 6 of 6 from the field, 3 of 3 from three. Good to see good things happen to such a traditionally good kid
Quote from: Pakuni on November 27, 2010, 08:22:39 PM
I think the prospect of being a 10-minute a game role player is the very reason Christopherson left Marquette. And, by all accounts, he made a good decision. He's getting opportunities at ISU that he might never have received at MU, and it's working out well for him. Good for him, I say. I have nothing against the kid. Just those who think his decision to transfer is somehow costing MU multiple wins. Of course, the advocate of that position also believes MU is suffering for the lack of a DJ Newbill on its roster, so maybe I should be better at taking said positions with a grain of salt.
I mean, do you believe that a 10-minute a game role player really makes MU 2+ wins better this season?
Just once, Pakuni, it would be nice if you responded to what I actually wrote--not the distortion you created as a straw man. What is this, the third distortion
just in this thread?
--saying that I said that Christopherson would
replace DJO on the roster.
--saying that I said that Christopherson would play
ahead of Blue and DJO
--now saying that I said we'd "suffer" wtihout Newbill.
With Newbill, I'll repeat that my comment SHOULD be a non-controversial issue. A former recruit of ours is averaging 10 points and 7 rebounds as a frosh. I said if he keeps that up, I think we'll regret letting him get away. Its no different that regretting that we lost Damian Saunders or Odartey Blankson or Shannon Smith or who knows who else over the years. Apparently, you're too insecure to admit that maybe we let the wrong guy go.
As for Christopherson, here's what I see: We just lost to Gonzaga by 3 points on very poor 3 point shooting. We let a very bad (i.e.
lost-to-Florida-Atlantic bad) UWM team back into a game (and damn near lost) because in part we went 0-8 on treys in the 2nd half.
I think a career 49% three point shooter would have helped us beat Gonzaga, and would have helped us maintain our lead over UWM. Christopherson would have done one of two things for us against Gonzaga--either shooting over the zone, or extending the defense, opening up the lanes for penetration by DJO or Blue. Either way, it would have helped. And yes, I think the lack of outside shooting cost us that game, because there was a LOOOONG stretch in the 2nd half when we couldn't penetrate or pass inside to save our lives.
Quote from: Ready2Fly on November 27, 2010, 08:35:13 PM
DJO with 16 points in the first 10 minutes. 6 of 6 from the field, 3 of 3 from three. Good to see good things happen to such a traditionally good kid
Yes it is good to see....no, it's great to see.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on November 27, 2010, 07:21:51 PM
The Big 12 isn't a high level?
He knew Buzz wanted a different type of ball player, and that's why he left. Along with the coach who recruited him left, so why stay. That's fairly routine.
For Pakuni, I guess I don't understand your either\or insistence again. Is it not possible to sit a Blue, Smith, etc to get a shooter in there during certain situations or 10 minutes a game?
That's where I brought up Gasser the other day. At the end of the year, will Gasser have better stats and contributions than Reggie Smith? Jones? I'm going to go on a limb and say yes. Now, does that mean he's better than Smith or Jones? Nope, sure doesn't. But therein begs the question I and others have been asking about having basically 5 or 6 guys in which their games are basically the same, a few of them are going to ride pine most of the year, doesn't it make sense to have some skill diversity where you can bring in a kid to do things the rest of your roster can't?
Let's see how Reggie, Jamail, and Vanders stats compare with Gasser's and Christophersons...come their senior years. Vander and Jamail definitely have higher ceilings than either Gasser or Christo....Reggie..posibly. Recruiting isn't about what a kid is going to do for you as a freshman..but how do they project/how high of ceiling does the kid have??
Quote from: Ners on November 28, 2010, 12:35:38 AM
Let's see how Reggie, Jamail, and Vanders stats compare with Gasser's and Christophersons...come their senior years. Vander and Jamail definitely have higher ceilings than either Gasser or Christo....Reggie..posibly. Recruiting isn't about what a kid is going to do for you as a freshman..but how do they project/how high of ceiling does the kid have??
I agree Ners. Something tells me SC and Gasser will have fine careers where they are at. I certainly hope Jones does, but hard to tell since he never plays. Vander, almost certainly will and should, he was ranked in the top 50 in the nation where SC and Gasser weren't at all. It would be a major disappointment if Vander doesn't have a fine career at MU. No reason to think he won't.
Quote from: Pakuni on November 27, 2010, 12:34:34 PM
I'm sure Buzz will implement your program for success as soon as the NCAA allows six players on the court at a time.
One doesn't needs the NCAA to allow six players on the
court. Just more than five on the
roster. Oh, wait, they already allow 13!
Quote from: Pakuni on November 27, 2010, 12:34:34 PM
Until then, though, playing one by necessity means you're not playing one of the others.
Awesome idea.
Yes, it is awesome. There's a word for it. It's called "substitution."
Quote from: Pakuni on November 27, 2010, 12:34:34 PM
Playing Christopherson ahead of Blue means you're trading SC's better shooting for Blue's better defense and all-around game.
Playing Christopherson ahead of DJO measns you're trading his - maybe - better shooting (DJO actually still is a better shooter, career-wise) for all the other things DJO is better at.
Yep. Coaches have to make tradeoffs all the time. Few coaches have players who have every skill all the time. If DJO and Blue and Cadougan were all shooting 45%+ on the season so far, maybe its a different story.
But given that none currently are averaging that pace, having someone who could shoot 45%+ might help us on cold shooting nights. Sometimes you need more than just a one-dimentional look to your team. As good as DJO and Blue are, they couldn't get us past Gonzaga, and almost coudn't get us past UWM.
Quote from: Pakuni on November 27, 2010, 12:34:34 PM
Welcome to world of telling the truth, but never the whole truth, SJS style. Now explain why you cited Wade's lack of being a consensus top 100 player. Because, of course, you were arguing that he wasn't all that good before he arrived at Marquette, and it was the development he received there - and not the fact he was a helluva player even in high school - that's to be attributed for his success.
This is a classic case of YOU not telling the whole truth, and then distorting my response. Recall that YOU initially claimed that Crean recruited the "best player in MU history" in Wade.
Recall that I replied that while Wade was good in HS, he wasn't a top 100 player, and that he developed into a top 5 pick during his time at MU.
Instead of admitting that you were caught shading the truth and leaving out relevant facts, you turned around and distorted "Not Top 100" into "Not all that good."
Yes, Wade was good. Yes, he was "a helluva player" And both those statements are completely consistent with the fact that Wade was NOT one of the consensus top 100 players, not widely recruited, and that he developed tremendously during his time at Marquette--all facts you conveniently left out.
And you have the gall to suggest that *I* was the one who didn't tell the whole truth? In reality, YOU were the one not telling the whole truth.
Quote from: Pakuni on November 27, 2010, 12:34:34 PM
Pray tell, how does Christopherson get on the court, if not for ahead of DJO and/or Blue?
Simple. He substitutes in.
What next? Are you going to ask pray tell how Gardner gets on the court without the NCAA allowing six players given that he plays behind Otule? Or how Cadougan gets in without six on the court given that Buycks plays ahead of him?
Quote from: Pakuni on November 27, 2010, 12:34:34 PM
Is MU allowed six players at a time? By nature of the fact SC is a two, and only a two, he must play ahead of either DJO or Blue to get on the court.
The frequency at which you bring up the "six players at a time" argument makes me wonder if you understand the concepts of depth, rotation, substitution, matchups, etc.
And your focus on traditional position numbers makes me wonder if you've been paying any attention at all when Buzz used the term "switchables".
Here's how Christopherson gets in the game: The same way Gardner, Crowder, Williams, Fulce, Jones, Smith or Cadougan would get in the game even though other players are ahead of them. Buzz substitutes based on matchups, the oppositions, their strenghts & weaknesses, etc.
Quote from: Pakuni on November 27, 2010, 12:34:34 PM
I think you didn't watch the game. MU lost the Gonzaga game because they were outrebounded 42 to 26, and allowed 17 offensive boards, leading to 20 second-chance points.
I wonder if you did. Apparently you missed what occurred prior to each the 27 Gonzaga defensive rebounds.
Not bad tonight vs. Iowa.... scored 30 points, 7 for 12 3PFG.... He's 35 of 59 from 3 on the year.
Not to much else went on in the world of college bball tonight.
Interesting - will Iowa improve on their 10-22 record from last year?
Can we get back to how many important Athletic Department people Chicos knows?
Quote from: MilWarrior on December 10, 2010, 10:46:46 PM
Can we get back to how many important Athletic Department people Chicos knows?
It's a shame we had to get confirmation from a long time ISU athletic department employee that I've known for almost 20 years to confirm he's a great kid, but such is life on this board for some who like to crap on former players.