He had 21 points tonight as a freshman for Becky. He's a point guard and had some offers from high major programs (Maryland, Wisconsin, Arizona State, Northwestern, SLU) but most were from the next stop down (Bucknell, UWM, etc). Played in our backyard but doesn't look like we even offered (at least the recruiting sites don't suggest we did).
What was the scoop there?
Gardner or Gasser?
...and you would rather have him than........?
Dont know...dont care.
Read your own post. It answers the question.
How did Evan Anderson look? doh
Quote from: mviale on November 14, 2010, 08:42:32 PM
How did Evan Anderson look? doh
I know this may come as a surprise to everyone here, but Anderson is redshirting this year. Shocking, I know.
Josh Gasser is a stud! 21 points 9 rebounds and 0 turnovers. Any top 25 program would love to have him. Way better than anybody thought, including Bo!
Sure blew open a tight 1st half against prairie view.
Late bloomer. Wasn't really offered by uw until late. Was actually going to walk on I believe. They didn't offer until blue came here.
Well, many posts in and no one really answered it. I'm guessing it was because he was deemed not athletic enough for Buzz's style of play??? I don't know, that's why I put the question out there. Very intelligent kid, nice ball player, good outside shooter.
It's obvious Buzz likes athletic players, slashers, etc....I wonder if down the road he will recruit one or two "traditional" basketball players that are more of your spot up and shoot type players...like Gasser.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on November 14, 2010, 08:55:05 PM
Well, many posts in and no one really answered it. I'm guessing it was because he was deemed not athletic enough for Buzz's style of play??? I don't know, that's why I put the question out there. Very intelligent kid, nice ball player, good outside shooter.
It's obvious Buzz likes athletic players, slashers, etc....I wonder if down the road he will recruit one or two "traditional" basketball players that are more of your spot up and shoot type players...like Gasser.
Like Jamail Jones?
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on November 14, 2010, 08:55:05 PM
Well, many posts in and no one really answered it. I'm guessing it was because he was deemed not athletic enough for Buzz's style of play??? I don't know, that's why I put the question out there. Very intelligent kid, nice ball player, good outside shooter.
It's obvious Buzz likes athletic players, slashers, etc....I wonder if down the road he will recruit one or two "traditional" basketball players that are more of your spot up and shoot type players...like Gasser.
Wow. "Traditional", non athletic, spot up shooters? Sounds "code word" to me, and I'm sure we're (thankfully) waaaaay past that. I think Buzz prefers "non traditional" players who can spot up shoot AND slash (think DJO).
And the witch hunt continues....anything we can possibly find to indict or call into question the current coaching staff. Priceless.
Anyway, we'll get to see how Gasser fares against MU's guards. I look forward to Vander matching up with Gasser. Considering Gasser got state player of the year...I like Vander's motivation to completely shut him down..and expect that he will.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on November 14, 2010, 08:55:05 PM
Well, many posts in and no one really answered it. I'm guessing it was because he was deemed not athletic enough for Buzz's style of play??? I don't know, that's why I put the question out there. Very intelligent kid, nice ball player, good outside shooter.
It's obvious Buzz likes athletic players, slashers, etc....I wonder if down the road he will recruit one or two "traditional" basketball players that are more of your spot up and shoot type players...like Gasser.
What on earth does your second paragraph mean? Please explain exactly what a "traditional" basketball player is.
DJO
Jones
Michael Snaer
Just a few of the many guys Buzz has recruited who I would consider to be excellent spot-up shooters. I'm sure GOMU1104 or BMA could provide more detail on some of the other players Buzz has went after who were that type of player.
Impressive debut, let's see what the dude does vs tOSU, MSU, or even MU. In all honesty, I haven't seen the cat ball. Maybe he's a white DWade or maybe he's more like SC. I'm not for sure.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on November 14, 2010, 09:13:25 PM
Wow. "Traditional", non athletic, spot up shooters? Sounds "code word" to me, and I'm sure we're (thankfully) waaaaay past that. I think Buzz prefers "non traditional" players who can spot up shoot AND slash (think DJO).
+1
Why didn't you just say you wanted us to recruit more white guys?
Quote from: thebadge10 on November 14, 2010, 08:47:32 PM
Josh Gasser is a stud! 21 points 9 rebounds and 0 turnovers. Any top 25 program would love to have him. Way better than anybody thought, including Bo!
I'll let Coach K know he messed that one up
Quote from: jmayer1 on November 14, 2010, 09:32:16 PM
What on earth does your second paragraph mean? Please explain exactly what a "traditional" basketball player is.
DJO
Jones
Michael Snaer
Just a few of the many guys Buzz has recruited who I would consider to be excellent spot-up shooters. I'm sure GOMU1104 or BMA could provide more detail on some of the other players Buzz has went after who were that type of player.
Off the top of my head, Buzz was on Jamel Jackson (Seton Hall) for a bit after he got his academics figured out...a definite spot up shooter. One game last year he was something like 13 for 16 from deep, something ridiculous like that.
Also, DeAngelo Harrison (St. Johns commit) is every bit the spot up shooter...some might call him a chucker. MU was in his final 3.
Quote from: Ners on November 14, 2010, 09:27:24 PM
And the witch hunt continues....anything we can possibly find to indict or call into question the current coaching staff. Priceless.
Anyway, we'll get to see how Gasser fares against MU's guards. I look forward to Vander matching up with Gasser. Considering Gasser got state player of the year...I like Vander's motivation to completely shut him down..and expect that he will.
Ya sure that wasn't TJ Bray?
Are we even sure Gasser is a "traditional" player as you say? He was 2 of 4 on 3 pointers, but also went to the line to shoot 10 free throws. So sounds like he does some attacking the basket. Buycks went 3-3 from 3 and went to the line for 6 fts. Is Gasser that much more "traditional" than Buycks?
I have never seen Gasser play, but I've heard he is very good. I think the Badgers were offering him a 5 for 4 deal or something like that where he would start as a walk-on and get the scholarship the following year until Blue decommitted and Diamond Taylor was kicked off the team, then he was offered a scholarship right away and was made a higher priority. I could be wrong, but that's what I gathered reading their board. Like others have said, I will be interested to see how he does against better teams, but if he has a good freshman year, they will be very tough again.
Gasser came to Marquette for an unofficial visit(s) over the summer, but I'm not sure if he was ever interested in going to Marquette.
How's that big, white dude from Catholic Memorial doin' who folks wanted Buzz to offer? Man, all the Einsteins on this board wanted Mills instead of Gardner.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on November 14, 2010, 09:40:32 PM
Ya sure that wasn't TJ Bray?
Maybe it was Bray - Player of year in Wisconsin last year?? I'm sure someone can clarify - either way..I look forward to Vander d'ing up Gasser. Could be a great match up for the next few years to come. But..I'm gonna have to put my money on Vander to win that battle.
Bray was Mr. Basketball in 2009, given out by the WBCA.
Gasser was the Gatorade Player of the Year in 2009.
We stand partially erected.
Quote from: GOMU1104 on November 14, 2010, 09:55:10 PM
Bray was Mr. Basketball in 2009, given out by the WBCA.
Gasser was the Gatorade Player of the Year in 2009.
Thanks for the clarification...either way...we know Vander has a chip on his shoulder over not being selected as Player of the Year in Wisconsin...and look forward to his matchup against Gasser and UW.
Here was his Rivals list of interested schools..a couple of high majors:
Wisconsin COMMITTED (09/24/2009) Offered 10/16/2009 Greg Gard
Arizona State
Bucknell
Buffalo
Butler
Creighton
Green Bay
Maryland
Milwaukee None Offered None
Northern Iowa None Offered None
Northwestern None Offered 09/12/2009 Mitch Henderson
Saint Louis None Offered None
William & Mary
Quite honestly Chicos, you're posts here are ridiculous. This whole process of nitpicking and harping on Buzz and such makes this board as bad as the MU Scout free board and Murff.
IMHO, that is saying something! I just wish people would stop quoting you....it negates the ignore button.
From the list of interested schools, it seems like the field is well polarized. I'm figurin' if Buzz had offered, some on this board would have had their Speedos in a bunch.
Quote from: Victor McCormick on November 14, 2010, 09:36:40 PM
+1
Why didn't you just say you wanted us to recruit more white guys?
I hope that was supposed to be in teal.
When I say traditional basketball player I mean just that....a basketball player first. Many of our guys are athletes first, basketball players second. Not sure how ANY of you got racial on this one.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on November 14, 2010, 10:12:34 PM
I hope that was supposed to be in teal.
When I say traditional basketball player I mean just that....a basketball player first. Many of our guys are athletes first, basketball players second. Not sure how ANY of you got racial on this one.
Can I recommend you switch allegiances, delete your account here, and register on the Wisconsin Badger board? Seems they have a little more of the type of player, coach and program you seek.
Pretty incredible how some of you went all racial in this thread. That truly is incredible in so many ways.
If you can play, you can play...I don't care what ethnicity someone is. There was no rip at all at Buzz on this, either, but about 10 of you got your mommy skirts on and sure made it out like that was the case....their little boy was apparently being picked on and you were their to protect.
Good Lord. I ask a simple question about a VERY VERY good player that was in our own backyard and simply asked what the recruiting situation was and a bunch of you start down the racial highway and a few others instantly scream it's some anti-Buzz thread. SIGH (double SIGH...TRIPLE SIGH)
Hey JTrash...I'm sorry they are quoting me. I thought it was a question worth asking.
It could be just as simple as Buzz missed on him. Many coaches did. Bo didn't offer him until Blue verbaled to us.
Looks like he is going to be a good one but its not like everybody knew he would be good......most big time programs passed on him.
It happens......kind of like Davante Gardner.......
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on November 14, 2010, 10:12:34 PM
I hope that was supposed to be in teal.
When I say traditional basketball player I mean just that....a basketball player first. Many of our guys are athletes first, basketball players second. Not sure how ANY of you got racial on this one.
That is ridiculous.... I bet there are 15 people in Humphrey who would like to disagree (to put it nicely) with your assessment of them. You don't get to that level being anything other than a basketball player first, the fact that our team is athletic is a trait valued by our coaching staff.
If some of you want to play the racial angle nonsense, you can leave me out of it. That's just complete bullshyte. Why don't you vent your anger to the a-holes that truly do imply racial crap...like Badger fans on their boards! Don't loop me into it.
http://buckyville.yuku.com/topic/35972/t/Josh-Gasser.html
http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=193&f=2565&t=6710443&p=1
I agree playing the racial card is stupid to imply by many, however to imply that Gasser worked harder at basketball growing up and is thus a basketball player first compared to the team of athletes first at MU is beyond comprehension.
Quote from: Ners on November 14, 2010, 10:16:12 PM
Can I recommend you switch allegiances, delete your account here, and register on the Wisconsin Badger board? Seems they have a little more of the type of player, coach and program you seek.
Ners, you still haven't put me on ignore yet?
No thanks Ners, too much energy, time, passion, emotion and pride invested in MU. I find UW-madison basketball boring. I despise Madison and their liberal bent. I hate the swing, their coach is a prick (but he's very good), and their fans like Swenson, Fran, Jamaican, Badgermaniac, DanO, Myles and a few others are dildos on a stick and some of the most hypocritical people I have ever seen (which reminds me, it is amazing how much you remind me of them).
Sorry Ners, I'll be with MU forever....what's next...do you want to know my weight? My wife's height?
Quote from: MuMark on November 14, 2010, 10:21:04 PM
It could be just as simple as Buzz missed on him. Many coaches did. Bo didn't offer him until Blue verbaled to us.
Looks like he is going to be a good one but its not like everybody knew he would be good......most big time programs passed on him.
It happens......kind of like Devonte Gardner.......
Thank you for an honest answer without a personal attack. Refreshing.
Quote from: dw3dw3dw3 on November 14, 2010, 10:31:09 PM
I agree playing the racial card is stupid to imply by many, however to imply that Gasser worked harder at basketball growing up and is thus a basketball player first compared to the team of athletes first at MU is beyond comprehension.
Whoa whoa whoa....where on earth did I or anyone imply Gasser or anyone else worked harder as basketball growing up? Please highlight, underline, bold or whatever where I said that.
Of course it's beyond comprehension, because I certainly never said it. Wow, you guys sure like to read things that aren't said. ::)
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on November 14, 2010, 10:12:34 PM
When I say traditional basketball player I mean just that....a basketball player first. Many of our guys are athletes first, basketball players second.
Who are some of these many of 'our guys' that are basketball players second?
Gasser scored 11 of his points in the final 8 minutes or so of a complete blowout. That's not exactly enough of a sample size to confidently say that Buzz missed on this kid. Also, as others have mentioned, he was an invited walk-on so it wasn't exactly like Buzz completely disregarded a McD's AA in his backyard.
For all we know, Buzz contacted him once and Gasser said that he had absolutely no interest in coming to MU. Buzz also might have been like Bo and thought that the kid wasn't necessarily worthy of a scholarship.
I now believe that you weren't intentionally playing up the racial angle, but it definitely seemed like it to me when I first read your posts.
What disgusting coments by Tweedledee and Tweedledum......not surprising but boy you can almost feel the hate.
The funny thing is they know we have Koenig from La Crosse who is white but why let the facts get in the way. ::)
They do remember that Bo desperately wanted one of those "thugs" with all the "ink" right?
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on November 14, 2010, 10:33:56 PM
Whoa whoa whoa....where on earth did I or anyone imply Gasser or anyone else worked harder as basketball growing up? Please highlight, underline, bold or whatever where I said that.
Of course it's beyond comprehension, because I certainly never said it. Wow, you guys sure like to read things that aren't said. ::)
Excuse me, I apologize for the assumption, please define what a basketball player first (Gasser) vs an athlete first (The MU team) is.
Quote from: Jay Bee on November 14, 2010, 10:35:07 PM
Who are some of these many of 'our guys' that are basketball players second?
Honestly, what a crock of sh*t. Chicos, take your attention whoring elsewhere. There are zero players in this recruiting class I'd give up over Gasser. Take your obsession with white players and root for Duke/Wisco. Between this post and decrying every JUCO recruit, you're showing your true (lack of) colors. You make me sick.
Quote from: MuMark on November 14, 2010, 10:37:54 PM
What disgusting coments by Tweedledee and Tweedledum......not surprising but boy you can almost feel the hate.
The funny thing is they know we have Koenig from La Crosse who is white but why let the facts get in the way. ::)
They do remember that Bo desperately wanted one of those "thugs" with all the "ink" right?
Koenig's not coming to Marquette and he's of mixed race.
Chicos...it honestly would have taken you about 3 seconds of Google searching to come up with the main reason why he is at UW. All of this could have been avoided had you done that. I will see if you can track the reason down yourself.
Additionally, had Diamond Taylor not decided to start robbing people, UW probably would have "missed" on Gasser too.
Quote from: TedBaxter on November 14, 2010, 10:41:56 PM
Koenig's not coming to Marquette
Why's that? Too bad, he seems like a very good player. Is he the one that has UNC as his dream school and will go there if offered?
Didn't know calling you out on the obvious was "going racial," Chicos. But so be it. We have spot up shooters (DJO shot 47% from 3 land last year), ballhandlers and flat out defenders (Vander Blue). How are those skills not those of a "pure basketball player"? So what's the difference between our guys and Bo's? Oh yeah, you guessed it. Their race. You didn't say those words but if that's not it then you tell me the difference. The burden is on you to prove you meant otherwise because you made the statement to start with. I'm now blocking you. Take your garbage elsewhere sir.
Quote from: GOMU1104 on November 14, 2010, 10:43:44 PM
Chicos...it honestly would have taken you about 3 seconds of Google searching to come up with the main reason why he is at UW. All of this could have been avoided had you done that. I will see if you can track the reason down yourself.
Chicos knows why, he just wanted to start a sh*tstorm with an inflammatory post. I hope everyone can see how lame he is after this post. He wishes MU was as translucent as Wisco is on the court, and that is his biggest beef with Buzz. He'll never come out and say it, but it's true, and it makes me squirm.
Had to watch the replay to see what the noise was all about with Gasser. Kid has a nice stroke and knows how to play within the Swing. Not overly quick--lost his man quite a bit. A&M's version of Junior Mint was guarding him (kinda), thus the rebounds.
Was far more impressed with Bruiser. How long is Wilson out with the hammie? They miss him at the 2. UW seemed to settle for the trey despite their extreme height advantage. Agree they are light in the back court, but Leuer is a stud. I think they are 5th in the Big 10. Bo can coach them up to 3rd.
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on November 14, 2010, 10:36:21 PM
I now believe that you weren't intentionally playing up the racial angle, but it definitely seemed like it to me when I first read your posts.
Well, that's sad on your part then. If you would see where I live, who I have hired on my team, etc, etc you would know how silly your thoughts are.
It's obvious that "traditional" was a poor choice of words on my part. There are some players out there that do not have the athletic gifts of other players and so the only way they can progress in basketball is to become artisans of the game. They become highly proficient at a certain skill or skills and have to rely on that to excel. Steve Novak was a good athlete, not a great athlete. But he was a helluva a basketball player. He could shoot free throws at a clip most people can't, because he made himself that good at it. He could shoot 3's better than most people ever could dream of, because he made himself that good. Don't get me wrong, Novak isn't an athletic stiff, but he's certainly not as good an athlete as many other DI players. That also doesn't mean they worked any harder than the next guy, but I would say they worked differently. They honed the skills they needed to in order to excel. The fundamentals, the angles, the body positioning, anything to get the extra edge.
Just one example of many. So when I say "traditional", I'm talking about the glue type kids. The players that might not be the best athlete around but is a helluva a BASKETBALL player because of what he knows and his understanding of the game. I'd argue Acker was that type of kid last year. Good little athlete, but a better basketball player. He couldn't rely on height or athletic ability to get to where he was at. Sure, his quickness was very good, but it was heady play and his specific skill sets as a basketball player that allowed him to get where he was. He wasn't out there "out-athleting" people.
It will be interesting to see how Gasser does this year. Thank you to the 5% of the people that gave it a real answer.
Quote from: GOMU1104 on November 14, 2010, 10:43:44 PM
Chicos...it honestly would have taken you about 3 seconds of Google searching to come up with the main reason why he is at UW. All of this could have been avoided had you done that. I will see if you can track the reason down yourself.
Additionally, had Diamond Taylor not decided to start robbing people, UW probably would have "missed" on Gasser too.
Really....google would have told me if MU was recruiting him? I did look at Google before hand and noticed no offer, but that's all I could find. That's why I asked the question here. Besides, I don't give a rip on how he went to UW-madison, I was curious about Marquette and Gasser, not the Badgers and Gasser. So actually I did follow your advice, but there was nothing out there on MU's interest (real or not) on Gasser. Then I ask a simple question and we have June Cleavers running in from all corners of the kitchen to defend Beaver when it was just a question.
Quote from: Victor McCormick on November 14, 2010, 10:49:14 PM
Didn't know calling you out on the obvious was "going racial," Chicos. But so be it. We have spot up shooters (DJO shot 47% from 3 land last year), ballhandlers and flat out defenders (Vander Blue). How are those skills not those of a "pure basketball player"? So what's the difference between our guys and Bo's? Oh yeah, you guessed it. Their race. You didn't say those words but if that's not it then you tell me the difference. The burden is on you to prove you meant otherwise because you made the statement to start with. I'm now blocking you. Take your garbage elsewhere sir.
We have one spot up shooter. I wish we had more.
For you to imply anything racial is disgusting on your part. Absolutely disgusting. Gasser was a Milwaukee area kid, that's why I asked the question.
Quote from: Ready2Fly on November 14, 2010, 10:40:09 PM
Honestly, what a crock of sh*t. Chicos, take your attention whoring elsewhere. There are zero players in this recruiting class I'd give up over Gasser. Take your obsession with white players and root for Duke/Wisco. Between this post and decrying every JUCO recruit, you're showing your true (lack of) colors. You make me sick.
My obsession for white players? Are you crapping me? I mean seriously, are you crapping me Keegan? You have to be, but it wouldn't be the first time. I ask a question about a Milwaukee area kid and whether we recruited him and this turns into a racial thing. This is beyond classic on so many levels.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on November 14, 2010, 11:25:36 PM
Well, that's sad on your part then. If you would see where I live, who I have hired on my team, etc, etc you would know how silly your thoughts are.
It's obvious that "traditional" was a poor choice of words on my part. There are some players out there that do not have the athletic gifts of other players and so the only way they can progress in basketball is to become artisans of the game. They become highly proficient at a certain skill or skills and have to rely on that to excel. Steve Novak was a good athlete, not a great athlete. But he was a helluva a basketball player. He could shoot free throws at a clip most people can't, because he made himself that good at it. He could shoot 3's better than most people ever could dream of, because he made himself that good. Don't get me wrong, Novak isn't an athletic stiff, but he's certainly not as good an athlete as many other DI players. That also doesn't mean they worked any harder than the next guy, but I would say they worked differently. They honed the skills they needed to in order to excel. The fundamentals, the angles, the body positioning, anything to get the extra edge.
So are you implying that Buzz would have passed on recruiting a major recruit like Novak because Steve was one of those "traditional" players you seem to think Buzz has no use for? If Gasser was as skilled a player as Novak was coming out of high school, i have no doubt that Buzz would have chased after Gasser just as hard as anyone currently on the MU roster.
QuoteJust one example of many. So when I say "traditional", I'm talking about the glue type kids. The players that might not be the best athlete around but is a helluva a BASKETBALL player because of what he knows and his understanding of the game. I'd argue Acker was that type of kid last year. Good little athlete, but a better basketball player. He couldn't rely on height or athletic ability to get to where he was at. Sure, his quickness was very good, but it was heady play and his specific skill sets as a basketball player that allowed him to get where he was. He wasn't out there "out-athleting" people.
Why isn't Jimmy Butler not much different than an Acker? He wasn't some major recruit and freak athlete coming out of junior college. Buzz brought Jimmy in to balance out the classes and the kid busted his asss honing his game to exceed expectations and thus make himself into a key player for the program.
Is Joe Fulce not a role player and glue guy?
Is Junior Cadougan going to "out-athlete" people or will he succeed much more by smarts and savvy on the court? Is he not a "traditional" basketball player or does he need a better jumper to be considered one?
As for the rest of the roster, not all of these kids will develop into 20 plus minutes per game players who also need to shoulder the scoring load. That said, no doubt 1, 2, or 3 of them will need to become your socalled glue guys instead that come in when needed and are productive in whatever fashion they can help the team.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on November 14, 2010, 11:30:19 PM
Gasser. Then I ask a simple question and we have June Cleavers running in from all corners of the kitchen to defend Beaver when it was just a question.
I trust they all were wearing pearl necklaces.
Duderino...fair points.
Thanks
Quote from: El Duderino on November 15, 2010, 12:11:24 AM
So are you implying that Buzz would have passed on recruiting a major recruit like Novak because Steve was one of those "traditional" players you seem to think Buzz has no use for? If Gasser was as skilled a player as Novak was coming out of high school, i have no doubt that Buzz would have chased after Gasser just as hard as anyone currently on the MU roster.
Why isn't Jimmy Butler not much different than an Acker? He wasn't some major recruit and freak athlete coming out of junior college. Buzz brought Jimmy in to balance out the classes and the kid busted his asss honing his game to exceed expectations and thus make himself into a key player for the program.
Is Joe Fulce not a role player and glue guy?
Is Junior Cadougan going to "out-athlete" people or will he succeed much more by smarts and savvy on the court? Is he not a "traditional" basketball player or does he need a better jumper to be considered one?
As for the rest of the roster, not all of these kids will develop into 20 plus minutes per game players who also need to shoulder the scoring load. That said, no doubt 1, 2, or 3 of them will need to become your socalled glue guys instead that come in when needed and are productive in whatever fashion they can help the team.
+1. Pretty much nailed it.
Game...set...match...El Duderino.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on November 14, 2010, 11:30:19 PM
Really....google would have told me if MU was recruiting him? I did look at Google before hand and noticed no offer, but that's all I could find. That's why I asked the question here. Besides, I don't give a rip on how he went to UW-madison, I was curious about Marquette and Gasser, not the Badgers and Gasser. So actually I did follow your advice, but there was nothing out there on MU's interest (real or not) on Gasser. Then I ask a simple question and we have June Cleavers running in from all corners of the kitchen to defend Beaver when it was just a question.
Why UW and why not MU...the answer is pretty much one in the same...But I'll let you try to figure it out.
Did you wonder these same type of things when Diante Garrett and Kwamain Mitchell decided to leave the Milwaukee area, and had moderate success as freshman at their respective schools? Maybe they weren't "traditional" enough for you?
What about David Singleton and Derrick Wilson? They seem to fit your criteria of "traditional"...although, they still might be a little too close to "athletic" for your liking.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on November 14, 2010, 11:33:22 PM
We have one spot up shooter. I wish we had more.
We have 2, maybe more and as mentioned earlier in this thread...Buzz has recruited more, but you must have missed that.
I think Gardner and Gasser should show you that you should take the star rating/high school ranking system with a skeptical eye. Jamail Jones a top 100 recruit probably will not play much this year. Some posters here are lamenting the two players MU signed this class, becasue they are not 4 stars. None of us have seen them play. While 4 star rating gives you some indiaction of talent level, we as fans have no idea how they will turn out.
Quote from: Jay Bee on November 14, 2010, 10:35:07 PM
Who are some of these many of 'our guys' that are basketball players second?
I'm still waiting for Chicos response on this one...
Quote from: bilsu on November 15, 2010, 09:29:38 AM
I think Gardner and Gasser should show you that you should take the star rating/high school ranking system with a skeptical eye. Jamail Jones a top 100 recruit probably will not play much this year. Some posters here are lamenting the two players MU signed this class, becasue they are not 4 stars. None of us have seen them play. While 4 star rating gives you some indiaction of talent level, we as fans have no idea how they will turn out.
I agree with your overall thought, but I think Jamail not playing much has more to do with experienced depth at his position rather than his skill as a player. Gardner is seeing the floor more due to lack of depth at his position, thus relatively easier for him to get minutes.
Nitpick over.
IIRC, bo gave gasser a 4/5 year offer, walkon as a FR and then go on scholly. When Vander "listened to his buddy maymon," Bo offered gasser a full ride.
Truthfully, Bo Ryan even got a little luck as it pertains to Gasser. He did not recruit him all that heavily for most of the summer of 2009. Once Diamond Taylor got booted in the fall of 2009, things opened up for Gasser and UW, but it still took some convincing by Ryan to the Gasser family as there were some hard feelings involved.
Gasser took a few unofficial visits to Marquette, but I didn't get the sense there was ever any serious mutual interest.
Josh has developed into an outstanding player and Bo lucked out a bit because had Taylor not gotten into trouble, Gasser would probably be at either Arizona State or Northern Iowa right now.
While Bo lucked out a bit on Gasser, Buzz appears to have lucked out a bit on Gardner.
Let's be honest, most of all recruiting is a crapshoot.
I didn't know that Gasser was pigmently challenged. I just want to know which guard that Chico prefers this guy to.
I have no inside info, but it seems that MU had some interest in Gasser. UW had some interest, and then offered him late when it looked like he wouldn't walk on to UW and said he would take a full ride someplace else. So, almost everyone may have missed on Gasser. UW offered a full ride late when he was the best option to fill an open scholarship, and it seemed that Gasser wanted to go to UW.
I don't think we were looking for another guard first, but rather a big first (and we got Gardner) and maybe a guard if we didn't get a big. I also think that Gasser was looked at as a good shooter, but maybe not a point guard and maybe a step slow to defend the 1 and 2. But some said that Gasser was quick enough.
So is he the next Diener type of guy or DJO type of guy, or is he the next Logtermann or Chapman type? If he projects as a Chapman type of player - great player - but maybe a little slow for the 1/2 in Buzz's system. I don't think he is the next DJO, from what I've heard. It will be interesting to see if this is his best game of the year and the next couple of years - or if this is the start of a great 4 year career. Just think of Amoroso (spelling?).
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on November 14, 2010, 11:33:22 PM
We have one spot up shooter. I wish we had more.
For you to imply anything racial is disgusting on your part. Absolutely disgusting. Gasser was a Milwaukee area kid, that's why I asked the question.
I am not going to comment on any of the racial stuff.
However, Chicos, the main reason you are getting this backlash (and you should realize this by now) is that your posts constantly have a twinge of negativity to them. When you started a post on the game yesterday, instead of the focus being on a great comeback by a very young team, you decided to use the word "scary" and imply it would have been terrible and devastating to lose. Is scary or worrisome an accurate description of the game though? Yes. But it is not the only description, and you constantly always have this glass half-empty perspective to everything Marquette does.
And again with this thread, instead of deciding to start a topic on a young MU player and how well they played, you got excited about a UW frosh after one game and implied something was wrong at MU for not recruiting this kind of player. It just feels strange the way your perspective is focused, and a lot of people read that very negatively as though you are taking parting shots at MU whenever you can.
Quote from: jmayer1 on November 14, 2010, 09:32:16 PM
What on earth does your second paragraph mean? Please explain exactly what a "traditional" basketball player is.
DJO
Jones
Michael Snaer
Just a few of the many guys Buzz has recruited who I would consider to be excellent spot-up shooters. I'm sure GOMU1104 or BMA could provide more detail on some of the other players Buzz has went after who were that type of player.
HArrison or Faust? please Chicos agenda is so old and tired I implore the moderators to ban him or at least everyone on the board to ignore him. Even after great win he has an agenda that ruins the tenor of the board. Gasser may be a great player... i have never seen him...if so kudos to BO. But i will add playing against and looking like a star against a PV a&M is entirely diffenet than doing the same against high major players...additionally i agree with the others whom in this year freshman class would you have given up? I love reggie, love Ox, think Jamil will be very good, Jae is one of our best players. Sight unseen i have a hard time thinking this Gasser will ultimately be better than any of them.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on November 14, 2010, 09:45:41 PM
How's that big, white dude from Catholic Memorial doin' who folks wanted Buzz to offer? Man, all the Einsteins on this board wanted Mills instead of Gardner.
Mills isn't from Catholic Memorial, he's from Arrowhead >:(
How 'bout some respect for the defending state champs?
(Gotta defend my alma mater ;) )
At the very least, Chicos should recognize how insulting it is to our players that they are known as "athletes first and basketball players second." These kids have dedicated their lives to date to making themselves good at the game of basketball. To imply that they aren't skilled enough and are "just athletes" is silly.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on November 14, 2010, 10:12:34 PM
I hope that was supposed to be in teal.
When I say traditional basketball player I mean just that....a basketball player first. Many of our guys are athletes first, basketball players second. Not sure how ANY of you got racial on this one.
Many of our guys are athletes first, basketball players second? Let's go down the list:
1.Frozena and Otule - neither overly athletic, Otule may become a basketball player.
2.Davante Gardner and Junior Cadougan. Very good basketball players, rap on both is a lack of athleticism.
3.Butler, Fulce, Buycks and Crowder. Classic "glue" guys. Solid basketball players whose ceiling is dictated by a lack of elite level athleticism.
4.E Williams and J Jones. Smooth skills and equally smooth as athletes. Future tbd by their mental toughness.
5.DJO. Freakish skills as a shooter and penetrator and also a freakish athlete.
6.R Smith and V Blue. The only 2 who fit your mold as athletes first, basketball players second. Coincidently, they are both freshmen with lots of time to hone their skills.
I guess you consider 2 out of 13 to constitute many. I don't. And I wouldn't trade Blue or Smith for Gasser because elite athletes are hard to come by.
Quote from: Aughnanure on November 15, 2010, 10:05:34 AM
I am not going to comment on any of the racial stuff.
However, Chicos, the main reason you are getting this backlash (and you should realize this by now) is that your posts constantly have a twinge of negativity to them. When you started a post on the game yesterday, instead of the focus being on a great comeback by a very young team, you decided to use the word "scary" and imply it would have been terrible and devastating to lose. Is scary or worrisome an accurate description of the game though? Yes. But it is not the only description, and you constantly always have this glass half-empty perspective to everything Marquette does.
And again with this thread, instead of deciding to start a topic on a young MU player and how well they played, you got excited about a UW frosh after one game and implied something was wrong at MU for not recruiting this kind of player. It just feels strange the way your perspective is focused, and a lot of people read that very negatively as though you are taking parting shots at MU whenever you can.
Nice post...but I learned a long time ago..you can't have a rational debate with an irrational individual. Chicos has his agenda, and M.O. - he's an attention starved short man, who secondary to that...has an issue with Buzz..as Chicos was one of the loudest dissenters to the hire of Buzz Williams...and as a result..Chicos continues to have to eat sh$t. A theme of his life I'm sure...and self-inflicted, and well deserved, I might add.
Quote from: Ners on November 15, 2010, 10:35:07 AM
Nice post...but I learned a long time ago..you can't have a rational debate with an irrational individual. Chicos has his agenda, and M.O. - he's an attention starved short man, who secondary to that...has an issue with Buzz..as Chicos was one of the loudest dissenters to the hire of Buzz Williams...and as a result..Chicos continues to have to eat sh$t. A theme of his life I'm sure...and self-inflicted, and well deserved, I might add.
Ners, if I were you, I'd keep quiet because honestly, your constant harping about Chicos makes you look like a loon.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on November 15, 2010, 10:37:56 AM
Ners, if I were you, I'd keep quiet because honestly, your constant harping about Chicos makes you look like a loon.
Thanks Sultan - I'm comfortable with my lunacy..when it pertains to exposing the poser, fraud and loon Chicos is.
That said, I'll give it a rest.
Please do give it arest... It is tiresome
This is too funny. The kid scores some points against Prairie View A&M and we're thinking he's something special and should have been recruited to MU? There isn't one freshmen on MU's team that I would trade for the kid, and while his skills may fit what UW needs, I don't believe they'd prove to be enough in MU's system and in the BEAST.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on November 15, 2010, 10:34:14 AM
Many of our guys are athletes first, basketball players second? Let's go down the list:
1.Frozena and Otule - neither overly athletic, Otule may become a basketball player.
2.Davante Gardner and Junior Cadougan. Very good basketball players, rap on both is a lack of athleticism.
3.Butler, Fulce, Buycks and Crowder. Classic "glue" guys. Solid basketball players whose ceiling is dictated by a lack of elite level athleticism.
4.E Williams and J Jones. Smooth skills and equally smooth as athletes. Future tbd by their mental toughness.
5.DJO. Freakish skills as a shooter and penetrator and also a freakish athlete.
6.R Smith and V Blue. The only 2 who fit your mold as athletes first, basketball players second. Coincidently, they are both freshmen with lots of time to hone their skills.
I guess you consider 2 out of 13 to constitute many. I don't. And I wouldn't trade Blue or Smith for Gasser because elite athletes are hard to come by.
well stated...Chicos posts about the game of basketball are typically highly ignorant...and if they pertain to MU smothered with an agenda.
Highly skilled players that lack athleticism are usually found on the lowmajor or NAIA level.
HighD1 collge basketball is a collection of some of the best athletes in the world. Al called them "cradles" because they were born with it. There basketball careers have consisted of being the best player becuase they were so infinitely more athletic than anyone else on the court since they first stepped on a court. they have never been forced to increase their skill set becuase of a lack of success they simply increase their skill set by playing all the time. When they hit college and they are now grouped with kids in the same boat is when that growth of skill set and IQ occurs becuase they are forced to to survive and meet their goals/dreams. their ceiling is infinitely higher. I will take Reggie Smith over this gasser kid sight unseen by the time they are juniors.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on November 14, 2010, 11:25:36 PM
Well, that's sad on your part then. If you would see where I live, who I have hired on my team, etc, etc you would know how silly your thoughts are.
"It's not racial. I totally hire them all the time, guys. They're good workers. Yee haw." Jimmy the Greek would be proud.
I don't think we'll see performances like yesterday from Gasser regularly. I was more impressed by Jordan Taylor (an athlete first?)... him having a strong year will help those losers a lot. He went to my high school and therefore I hope he does well... ideally every Wisconsin game would be a 100-50 loss, with Taylor scoring all 50 on 100% shooting.
They've got another good opportunity this season... after 1 & 2 there are a good 4 teams that could finish 3rd in the Big Televelve.
as an add on to my post. I could very easily hit the AAu trail and put together a collection of 5 kids that would beat Mu's Freshman in a game right now. Is that buzz's goal? to have a bunch of freshman that have hit there peak? Is his job to find freshman that due to their lack of athleticism had to get by on incredible basketball IQ and skill work or is part of his recruiting responsibility to find kids that oozed of potential that he felt in a few years could be relly something special. It is one of the luxuries of having depth. Reggie smith is not counted on to play 35 minutes becuase of recruitng misses and transfers. Jamil Jones may never score the points of Jerel becuase he did not have to start as a Freshman.
Quote from: Canadian Dimes on November 15, 2010, 11:37:06 AMI could very easily hit the AAu trail and put together a collection of 5 kids that would beat Mu's Freshman in a game right now.
Yeah, but that's really not fair. Most any time you have a 5-on-4 situation in basketball, the group of 5 will win.
Quote from: Jay Bee on November 15, 2010, 11:33:26 AM
"It's not racial. I totally hire them all the time, guys. They're good workers. Yee haw." Jimmy the Greek would be proud.
You are one sick person.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on November 15, 2010, 10:29:39 AM
At the very least, Chicos should recognize how insulting it is to our players that they are known as "athletes first and basketball players second." These kids have dedicated their lives to date to making themselves good at the game of basketball. To imply that they aren't skilled enough and are "just athletes" is silly.
Fair point. I obviously didn't think about that when I wrote it. Again, fair point. My intent was not to say they are "just athletes" but that's clearly how some of you took it. My point was rather to focus on the players that are not as athletic but need to overcome those shortcomings in other ways. In other words, certain things don't come as easy to them because they are not as athletically gifted yet they play at a high level because they have mastered other skills.
Again, I can see where people interpreted it that way....my fault.
The racial attacks toward me, on the other hand, very hurtful. Extremely hurtful. So totally wrong on all levels but I have to consider the sources who are saying it. Some people are just very sick.
Quote from: Aughnanure on November 15, 2010, 10:05:34 AM
When you started a post on the game yesterday, instead of the focus being on a great comeback by a very young team, you decided to use the word "scary" and imply it would have been terrible and devastating to lose. Is scary or worrisome an accurate description of the game though? Yes. But it is not the only description, and you constantly always have this glass half-empty perspective to everything Marquette does.
But you hit it on the head....nothing I said was incorrect. It was scary. Was it the only description? No, but it was a truthful one. That was a scary game and I post that (truthfully) and the rain comes down. Basically what you're saying is if a poster doesn't sugar coat it, put pink unicorns and fluffy clouds around it, you will be attacked. You will be labeled as a MU hater, a Buzz hater, a racist, etc. All for telling the truth.
I've learned a lot about some MU people the past few days. Cura Personalis
I'm sorry...the game was scary....I wrote it....it was truthful....others wrote fluffy stuff.
Bucknell was down 6 with 6 minutes to go against Nova 2 days before so anybody that didn't expect a tough game wasn't paying attention.
If we would have lost it would have been sad but not all that unexpected. We have lots of new parts. Guys are still learning how to play together. Buzz is still learning who he can depend on. Playing time and rotations are still be worked out.
Now Duke is scary....they could beat us by 30 if we get that deer in the headlites look in our eyes.
I think this Bucknell game will pay dividends down the road. Its nice to get that first close game out of the way and come out of it with a W.
Quote from: MuMark on November 15, 2010, 01:04:40 PM
Now Duke is scary....they could beat us by 30 if we get that deer in the headlites look in our eyes.
Nah, too many white guys.
Quote from: Canadian Dimes on November 15, 2010, 11:28:48 AM
well stated...Chicos Canadian Dimes posts about the game of basketball are typically highly ignorant...
I fixed it for you
"Mbao will be an All Big East player by his Senior Year"
"i am almost certain Hood will choose MU"
"Conference realignment is over, MU has nothing to worry about"
"Acker + Cubillan = Looooonnnnnnngggggg Year"
"In a league of stars, we have none" (2010....apparently Hayward, Butler, DJO, etc didn't count)
"As a former colleg athlete i can tell you the summer before your freshman year can be very tough."
----Care to tell us where you were a former college athlete Robert?
"Please people get over it there is absolutely no way in hell Buzz and company asked him {Roseboro} to leave. Even if he was the worst plyer in the history of D1 ball he could help the team in areas apart from playinggame minutes. additonally there is no reason to beleive in 3-4 years he could not have beeen a servicaebale role player."
And non-basketball quips as well
"this recession will be over by 2009"
I could go on, but the list would never end.
Quote from: MuMark on November 15, 2010, 01:04:40 PM
Bucknell was down 6 with 6 minutes to go against Nova 2 days before so anybody that didn't expect a tough game wasn't paying attention.
If we would have lost it would have been sad but not all that unexpected. We have lots of new parts. Guys are still learning how to play together. Buzz is still learning who he can depend on. Playing time and rotations are still be worked out.
Now Duke is scary....they could beat us by 30 if we get that deer in the headlites look in our eyes.
I think this Bucknell game will pay dividends down the road. Its nice to get that first close game out of the way and come out of it with a W.
Bucknell is a quality team, we agree Mark. But Bucknell led Nova all of 3:47 seconds the entire game. The reason this game was scary is that not only were we trailing, we were losing by double digits for a chunk and couldn't get anything going on either end. MU trailed in this game for most of it....over 70% of the game. MU led 5.3 minutes of the first half and 5.53 minutes of the second half.
Duke is scary, but they're also #1 in the country so everyone expects that to be a tough game.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on November 15, 2010, 12:32:56 PM
The racial attacks toward me, on the other hand, very hurtful. Extremely hurtful. So totally wrong on all levels but I have to consider the sources who are saying it. Some people are just very sick.
Quite a few posters got the same impression from your posts. Personally, I said that it sounded racist
at first read, but then realized that wasn't your intent...and yet you still took exception to me saying that. I still don't believe that you had any racist intent, but maybe you could take a little of the blame on yourself instead of calling other posters sick and disturbed for misinterpreting what you wrote.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on November 15, 2010, 12:39:48 PM
But you hit it on the head....nothing I said was incorrect. It was scary. Was it the only description? No, but it was a truthful one. That was a scary game and I post that (truthfully) and the rain comes down. Basically what you're saying is if a poster doesn't sugar coat it, put pink unicorns and fluffy clouds around it, you will be attacked. You will be labeled as a MU hater, a Buzz hater, a racist, etc. All for telling the truth.
I've learned a lot about some MU people the past few days. Cura Personalis
I'm sorry...the game was scary....I wrote it....it was truthful....others wrote fluffy stuff.
First off, I didn't say if "a poster" doesn't sugar coat I said if "you" don't. I was attempting to point out that your reputation for ALWAYS taking the more negative view impacts how people read and interpret your posts.
You may like to call it "sugar-coating" but I see it as being actually positive about our team, and how they went on a 24-0 run to win. But you only view the negative side of it as though that is the only accurate way to view it....i.e. if you don't show skepticism or doubt you are a fanboy. Fact is, they're were a lot more positives in that game than negative, but you never see them or want to see them.
Oh, and what really was scary about the game? I mean, I was worried and all...but just say we lost...why is that scary? You can say we escaped, or pulled one out...but scary? Its the 2nd game of the season and you are trying to imply a narrative that doesn't exist into a game that was won by freshmen and younger players. That, I would say, is encouraging.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on November 15, 2010, 01:09:48 PM
I fixed it for you
"Mbao will be an All Big East player by his Senior Year"
"i am almost certain Hood will choose MU"
"Conference realignment is over, MU has nothing to worry about"
"Acker + Cubillan = Looooonnnnnnngggggg Year"
"In a league of stars, we have none" (2010....apparently Hayward, Butler, DJO, etc didn't count)
"As a former colleg athlete i can tell you the summer before your freshman year can be very tough."
----Care to tell us where you were a former college athlete Robert?
"Please people get over it there is absolutely no way in hell Buzz and company asked him {Roseboro} to leave. Even if he was the worst plyer in the history of D1 ball he could help the team in areas apart from playinggame minutes. additonally there is no reason to beleive in 3-4 years he could not have beeen a servicaebale role player."
And non-basketball quips as well
"this recession will be over by 2009"
I could go on, but the list would never end.
i might take offense to those if i made them, in the mean time keep offending the rest of the board. Character revealed.
Everyone is tired of this crap.
Feel free to start another thread on Gasser, without discussing uber-secret agendas and the ulterior motives you think some people have.