Of course it's just exhibition, but not a great start for Oliver Purnell.
Hmm...maybe a dangerous new trend in the Big East? A team loses an exhibition match, then proceeds to exceed all expectations in the regular season, proving their critics wrong and establishing themselves as much better than most pundits and fans initially believed. Last year it was Syracuse, ridiculed for their exhibition loss before going on to run roughshod over the rest of the Big East conference and earning a #1 seed in the NCAA tournament.
So I guess that means we can pencil DePaul in for a 2-14 Big East record :D
Quote from: beaconwarrior on November 08, 2010, 01:09:27 AM
Of course it's just exhibition, but not a great start for Oliver Purnell.
Damn....based on our success last year against DePaul, I sure hope we don't have Lewis on our schedule.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on November 08, 2010, 08:44:14 AM
Damn....based on our success last year against DePaul, I sure hope we don't have Lewis on our schedule.
Nine months later and you're still fixated on our worst game in an otherwise two year success story. Perhaps you should refrain from your "let it go", "time to move on" mantra until you can walk the walk.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on November 08, 2010, 08:56:22 AM
Nine months later and you're still fixated on our worst game in an otherwise two year success story. Perhaps you should refrain from your "let it go", "time to move on" mantra until you can walk the walk.
I understand you're in the middle of a catfight but that loss was terrible.
Being the '1' in DePaul's 1-35 record the last two seasons is pathetic.
Besides, tons of people still bring up the Kansas Final Four game over seven years later. We all have different low points.
Exhibitions mean jack crap. Ask Syracuse.
Quote from: The Golden Avalanche on November 08, 2010, 09:15:37 AM
I understand you're in the middle of a catfight but that loss was terrible.
Being the '1' in DePaul's 1-35 record the last two seasons is pathetic.
Besides, tons of people still bring up the Kansas Final Four game over seven years later. We all have different low points.
Exhibitions mean jack crap. Ask Syracuse.
I'd have to agree...being at the Final Four in New Orleans, excited about the MU team who had beaten Kentucky and Pitt to get to the Final Four...with the best player ever in MU history on the team...thought we had a real chance to win against Kansas. Less than 10 minutes into the game....it was OVER....we just got humiliated on a national stage. NO way Kansas was 35 points better than that MU team....but we had no answers for how to compete in that game. It still stings...and though proud of what that team accomplished..it was an embarrassment to be in the Superdome that evening as a Marquette fan.
Didn't we play Lewis under Crean once? I think then it actually counted on our record, rather than an exhibition.
Quote from: Ners on November 08, 2010, 10:40:06 AM
with the best player ever in MU history on the team
Really? Not disagreeing but that's a massive statement and even being able to say there IS a best player ever feels like a small dig at our tradition.
Quote from: Ners on November 08, 2010, 10:40:06 AM
I'd have to agree...being at the Final Four in New Orleans, excited about the MU team who had beaten Kentucky and Pitt to get to the Final Four...with the best player ever in MU history on the team...thought we had a real chance to win against Kansas. Less than 10 minutes into the game....it was OVER....we just got humiliated on a national stage. NO way Kansas was 35 points better than that MU team....but we had no answers for how to compete in that game. It still stings...and though proud of what that team accomplished..it was an embarrassment to be in the Superdome that evening as a Marquette fan.
Honestly, no one outside the MU community remembers we lost that game by that much.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on November 08, 2010, 10:49:03 AM
Honestly, no one outside the MU community remembers we lost that game by that much.
You must not run into many Kansas fans.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on November 08, 2010, 10:49:03 AM
Honestly, no one outside the MU community remembers we lost that game by that much.
If the MU community (and other serious basketball fans) remember how badly we waxed UK in the elite 8 game,(and they do) my guess is that the Kansas community (and other serious basketball fans) recall the magnitude of the whipping we got in New Orleans at the Final Four.
Quote from: The Golden Avalanche on November 08, 2010, 09:15:37 AM
I understand you're in the middle of a catfight but that loss was terrible.
Being the '1' in DePaul's 1-35 record the last two seasons is pathetic.
Besides, tons of people still bring up the Kansas Final Four game over seven years later. We all have different low points.
Exhibitions mean jack crap. Ask Syracuse.
I agree that it was a really bad loss, as were the games against Kansas, Western Michigan, N Dakota St., etc. My point has nothing to do with that.
I'm merely pointing out the hypocrisy of dispensing advice to others to "let go" and "move on" while refusing to do so oneself.
Quote from: Victor McCormick on November 08, 2010, 10:42:25 AM
Didn't we play Lewis under Crean once? I think then it actually counted on our record, rather than an exhibition.
Yeah, I believe it was 04-05. If I remember correctly, we played them at the Al.
Quote from: Ners on November 08, 2010, 10:40:06 AM
I'd have to agree...being at the Final Four in New Orleans, excited about the MU team who had beaten Kentucky and Pitt to get to the Final Four...with the best player ever in MU history on the team...thought we had a real chance to win against Kansas. Less than 10 minutes into the game....it was OVER....we just got humiliated on a national stage. NO way Kansas was 35 points better than that MU team....but we had no answers for how to compete in that game. It still stings...and though proud of what that team accomplished..it was an embarrassment to be in the Superdome that evening as a Marquette fan.
That's because our turtlehead coach didn't know his ass from a hole in the ground.
Quote from: Victor McCormick on November 08, 2010, 10:44:04 AM
Really? Not disagreeing but that's a massive statement and even being able to say there IS a best player ever feels like a small dig at our tradition.
It's no dig at our tradition. We've had many (5-10?) teams better than the 2003 squad - that said, Wade is without a doubt the best player to ever wear an MU uniform.
Just found it...05-06, we won 88-40.
http://wiki.muscoop.com/doku.php/men_s_basketball/2005
Quote from: Victor McCormick on November 08, 2010, 11:14:25 AM
Just found it...05-06, we won 88-40.
http://wiki.muscoop.com/doku.php/men_s_basketball/2005
Jeez...I had completely forgotten about Matt Mortonsen...
Quote from: MUfan12 on November 08, 2010, 11:10:06 AM
Yeah, I believe it was 04-05. If I remember correctly, we played them at the Al.
You remember incorrectly. It's was 05-06 in the BC.
http://wiki.muscoop.com/doku.php/men_s_basketball/lewis_12_28_05
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on November 08, 2010, 10:49:03 AM
Honestly, no one outside the MU community remembers we lost that game by that much.
Except every single one of my friends, it seems.
I believe it was Stevens Point we played at the AL that year.
If they continue playing exhibitions and don't switch to two DI scrimmages, I wouldn't mind seeing another exhibition game at the AL. It was great being able to hear Dameon Mason tell a guy he smells like $h!t after smelling him.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on November 08, 2010, 10:49:03 AM
Honestly, no one outside the MU community remembers we lost that game by that much.
Badger Fans
Kansas Fans
UWM Fans
Quote from: rocky_warrior on November 08, 2010, 11:31:02 AM
You remember incorrectly. It's was 05-06 in the BC.
http://wiki.muscoop.com/doku.php/men_s_basketball/lewis_12_28_05
The D2 special we had each year. Thanks.
I could have sworn we played them the year before, since Kyle Green was coaching there after he left MU's staff. We played Point at the BC, I remember they had a good amount of fans there, and the game was close for the most part.
EDIT- I knew I wasn't losing it! http://www.lewisflyers.com/sports/m-baskbl/recaps/110404aaa.html
Quote from: MUfan12 on November 08, 2010, 11:55:58 AM
EDIT- I knew I wasn't losing it! http://www.lewisflyers.com/sports/m-baskbl/recaps/110404aaa.html
That's weird - did somebody intentionally leave them out of the wiki!?!?
http://wiki.muscoop.com/doku.php?id=men_s_basketball:2004
(though I'm adding it now...)
Quote from: Lennys Tap on November 08, 2010, 11:08:38 AM
I'm merely pointing out the hypocrisy of dispensing advice to others to "let go" and "move on" while refusing to do so oneself.
Chicos wouldn't be Chicos without being hypocritical...that's just his M.O. After 3 years of reading this board, and now 1 year as a poster..I've come to figure the BailBondsman's deal. Makes for good debate and entertainment at times for sure. That said, thank you for pointing out the irony and hyprcrisy of Chico's latest offering.
Quote from: Victor McCormick on November 08, 2010, 10:44:04 AM
Really? Not disagreeing but that's a massive statement and even being able to say there IS a best player ever feels like a small dig at our tradition.
Nope..by no means did I mean it as a dig against our tradition...as we have had some greats at MU...but Wade was a once a generation kind of talent at a school like MU. His results in the NBA illustrate as much..as did the teams performance the next year after he and RJax left...MU returned every player but Wade and Jackson and didn't even make the NCAA, and were bounced in the 2nd round of the NIT in 2004..with Diener, Novak, et al...that is a MAJOR drop off from being a Final Four team..and largely illustrates the Wade effect/greatness.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on November 08, 2010, 11:50:45 AM
Badger Fans
Kansas Fans
UWM Fans
You guys are hanging out with a bunch of odd friends, because everyone I know from all three schools has never mentioned a 35 pt loss to me.
70-68 loss.
Just exhale and thank the Lord that it's an exhibition game.
Quote from: Pakuni on November 08, 2010, 11:46:46 AM
Except every single one of my friends, it seems.
Ok, so 2 guys remember the score.
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Quote from: Ners on November 08, 2010, 12:36:27 PM
Nope..by no means did I mean it as a dig against our tradition...as we have had some greats at MU...but Wade was a once a generation kind of talent at a school like MU. His results in the NBA illustrate as much..as did the teams performance the next year after he and RJax left...MU returned every player but Wade and Jackson and didn't even make the NCAA, and were bounced in the 2nd round of the NIT in 2004..with Diener, Novak, et al...that is a MAJOR drop off from being a Final Four team..and largely illustrates the Wade effect/greatness.
Didn't you receive a severe beat down months ago when you tried this?
RJAX and Wade were very special players, but you are short selling how good Rjax was. Secondly, the year after the Final Four, CUSA was a monster league sending 6 teams to the Big Dance....the competition was much more difficult than the year we went to the Final Four in the league itself.
We had a target on our back. Merritt played hurt much of the year and out of position. Novak was only a sophomore, you make it sound like he was a Senior.
No one is denying Wade's greatness or effect on the team, but every time you go down this path that it was all Wade (and a little Rjax) the Final Four year it exposes your agenda again. Each team is different each year, considerably. Merritt no longer a 4 but now a 5...that is a MAJOR change. With RJax in the lineup, that freed up outside shooting for the guards and let Merritt be a force. With RJax departure, that changed everything (as did Wade's).
I have to chuckle Lenny....to compare the two is beyond a stretch.
One team has won 1 game in 2 years in the conference.
The other game MU lost to the #2 team in the country. This idea that people bring up the score from all their friends....I call major Bullshyte. Either you guys have no friends or are hanging out with complete dorks, or you are making that up just to push your agenda. There is no way people are sitting around saying "yeah, Marquette made that Final Four but by they lost by 30 points...losers" or whatever nonsense.
We shot terribly, we lost to a great team. It was worse than it had to be, but it often is in those settings....look at how many Super Bowls end up being blow outs because teams go for broke and can't recover in the moment.
The journey is what people remember....other than a Pakuni's friend(s).
+1 Chicos.
I don't let my single greatest memory as a college basketball fan get ruined by our performance in the semis. I wear my final four gear with pride.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on November 09, 2010, 07:15:38 AM
Didn't you receive a severe beat down months ago when you tried this?
RJAX and Wade were very special players, but you are short selling how good Rjax was. Secondly, the year after the Final Four, CUSA was a monster league sending 6 teams to the Big Dance....the competition was much more difficult than the year we went to the Final Four in the league itself.
We had a target on our back. Merritt played hurt much of the year and out of position. Novak was only a sophomore, you make it sound like he was a Senior.
No one is denying Wade's greatness or effect on the team, but every time you go down this path that it was all Wade (and a little Rjax) the Final Four year it exposes your agenda again. Each team is different each year, considerably. Merritt no longer a 4 but now a 5...that is a MAJOR change. With RJax in the lineup, that freed up outside shooting for the guards and let Merritt be a force. With RJax departure, that changed everything (as did Wade's).
Not nearly the beat down you received when you questioned Buzz recruiting JUCO's and implied the charactyer of JUCOS was something less than to be desired.
Yourdefense of the 2004 team really is precious Chicos. So Conference USA had a good Top 6 teams...doesn't the Big East every year? Didn't we make the NCAA tourney last year after losing 3 of the Top 10 all time scoreres in MU history?? In that thread you and others wanted to trumpet how good Diener and Novak were, yet you fail to hold either them or Tom Crean accountable for going from a Final Four team to an NIT Loser in Round 2. Furthermore in that thread like you do many times..you made FASLSE claims to try to support your false argument - do you recall writing that Diener was injred and missed many games that year...as did Merritt?? Go back and look at the data..and you will see they played in 31 games..with Diener averging 34 minutes..
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on November 08, 2010, 11:20:23 PM
Ok, so 2 guys remember the score.
EDIT: Teal not available easily on the iPhone
Actually, four.
If you count imaginary friends.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on November 09, 2010, 07:35:26 AM
+1 Chicos.
I don't let my single greatest memory as a college basketball fan get ruined by our performance in the semis. I wear my final four gear with pride.
Nor should you. Just as you shouldn't let the memory of last year's team - maybe the biggest overachievers in MU history (remember Chicos saying 9-9 = COY for Buzz before Junior's injury and Maymon's defection) be diminished by constantly harping (not you Sultan, Chicos) on one poor performance.
I have several Kansas friends. They, and their fellow alums, remember it all too well. To a man, they're embarrassed to bring it up.
BTW, Indiana looked solid last night.
I am not sure which is the more shameful - being humiliated by KU on the biggest stage in college hoops or the severe drop off to near obscurity once Wade departed. The Western Michigan beat down was beyond hateful. How do you go from the Final Four to sucessive 19-12 non-NCAA Tournament, non-winning seasons in C-USA? Most coaches would have parlayed the Final Four into dynasty building momentum. At once both mystifying and tragic. Good riddance.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on November 09, 2010, 07:24:36 AM
I have to chuckle Lenny....to compare the two is beyond a stretch.
One team has won 1 game in 2 years in the conference.
The other game MU lost to the #2 team in the country. This idea that people bring up the score from all their friends....I call major Bullshyte. Either you guys have no friends or are hanging out with complete dorks, or you are making that up just to push your agenda. There is no way people are sitting around saying "yeah, Marquette made that Final Four but by they lost by 30 points...losers" or whatever nonsense.
We shot terribly, we lost to a great team. It was worse than it had to be, but it often is in those settings....look at how many Super Bowls end up being blow outs because teams go for broke and can't recover in the moment.
The journey is what people remember....other than a Pakuni's friend(s).
Chicos "version" of what I said : All my friends bring up the score.
What I really said : Kansas fans and real college basketball fans remember the score.
Do those comments sound even remotely similar?
As to your other assertions, I have many friends and they're not complete dorks. Of course they're not "sitting around saying Marquette made the final four but lost by 30 (actually 33) points. They're not that obtuse. But the basketball fans among them do remember. Am I to understand that none of your friends are capable of recalling the results of major sporting events from 7 years ago? Too bad for them and too bad for you.
Quote from: SalsaMan on November 09, 2010, 10:20:49 AM
I am not sure which is the more shameful - being humiliated by KU on the biggest stage in college hoops or the severe drop off to near obscurity once Wade departed. The Western Michigan beat down was beyond hateful. How do you go from the Final Four to sucessive 19-12 non-NCAA Tournament, non-winning seasons in C-USA? Most coaches would have parlayed the Final Four into dynasty building momentum. At once both mystifying and tragic. Good riddance.
First year was Crean's fault. He did not have a plan in place, if Wade left early. He more or less said so and that is what led him to over recruit in subsequent years. The second 19-12 team and Western Michigan beat down was a direct result to Diener being injured. Diener was averaging almost 24 points a game before he injured his foot. Then he broke his hand. Also Grimm was injured at the end. Mason ended up in Crean's doghouse and played very little at the end. At that point the only offensive threat we had left was Novak, who basically was a three point shooter with little ability to get himself open. The lost to Western Michigan would never of happen, if we were not beset by injuries. That team was good enough to be in the NCAA's.
Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on November 09, 2010, 10:05:55 AM
I have several Kansas friends. They, and their fellow alums, remember it all too well. To a man, they're embarrassed to bring it up.
BTW, Indiana looked solid last night.
Well, IU did make 23-28 free throws. And they didn't quit - trailed by 10 with 3 minutes left. Bad news is they needed 25 turnovers and 18 missed free throws from their opponent and a 4 point play by a freshman with 10 seconds left to get the game into overtime. More bad news news - the opponent was Div II Ferris State.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on November 09, 2010, 12:14:58 PM
Well, IU did make 23-28 free throws.
Obviously they practice free throws.
Quote from: Pakuni on November 09, 2010, 12:18:35 PM
Obviously they practice free throws.
It's one of the prime tenants of Karate.
Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on November 09, 2010, 10:05:55 AM
I have several Kansas friends. They, and their fellow alums, remember it all too well. To a man, they're embarrassed to bring it up.
BTW, Indiana looked solid last night.
Why would they e embarrassed? Because they kicked our ass? If I was a Kansas fan I love that game. I would hardly be embarrassed.