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Title: Austin Rivers to Duke
Post by: MarkCharles on September 30, 2010, 10:57:35 AM
#1 player nationally according to ESPN

Seems like a perfect fit. As much as I dislike Coach K, I respect the hell out of the job he does.

The pieces are starting to fall into place nationally. Hopefully, we will be able to say the same about MU's targets before too long. Waiting for a commitment is getting really tiresome.
Title: Re: Austin Rivers to Duke
Post by: ChicosBailBonds on September 30, 2010, 10:58:38 AM
Quote from: MarkCharles on September 30, 2010, 10:57:35 AM
#1 player nationally according to ESPN

Seems like a perfect fit. As much as I dislike Coach K, I respect the hell out of the job he does.

The pieces are starting to fall into place nationally. Hopefully, we will be able to say the same about MU's targets before too long. Waiting for a commitment is getting really tiresome.

Thanks for sharing.  I have a UNC and a DUKE grad in my group so the two of them are going to crazy today.
Title: Re: Austin Rivers to Duke
Post by: Ready2Fly on September 30, 2010, 11:02:20 AM
Hope this doesn't affect Miller...
Title: Re: Austin Rivers to Duke
Post by: Ready2Fly on September 30, 2010, 11:02:44 AM
Also, cool story Chicos
Title: Re: Austin Rivers to Duke
Post by: MarkCharles on September 30, 2010, 11:13:22 AM
Quote from: Ready2Fly on September 30, 2010, 11:02:20 AM
Hope this doesn't affect Miller...

Who knows what affects Miller. Latest word is that the guy he now wants to play with is Seattle pg Tony Wroten. Wroten has had a crazy recruitment, but he has seemed like a Washington lean for a while. However, he recently tweeted something to the effect of "I'm really liking Louisville right now". We should probably hope he chooses Wash over Louisville for our chances with Miller.
Title: Re: Austin Rivers to Duke
Post by: ChicosBailBonds on September 30, 2010, 11:27:54 AM
Quote from: Ready2Fly on September 30, 2010, 11:02:44 AM
Also, cool story Chicos

The two of them are going at it right now.  It's rather funny.  Nothing like having a Duke grad and a UNC grade in offices next to each other.  Comical to say the least
Title: Re: Austin Rivers to Duke
Post by: Mobot on September 30, 2010, 11:33:27 AM
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on September 30, 2010, 11:27:54 AM
The two of them are going at it right now.  It's rather funny.  Nothing like having a Duke grad and a UNC grade in offices next to each other.  Comical to say the least

You are lucky.  I work in a group consisting of me and 12 women.  I just worked my way out of a conversation about prom dresses.
Title: Re: Austin Rivers to Duke
Post by: PBRme on September 30, 2010, 11:35:42 AM
Hairstylist?
Title: Re: Austin Rivers to Duke
Post by: Canned Goods n Ammo on September 30, 2010, 11:39:56 AM
H.R.?
Title: Re: Austin Rivers to Duke
Post by: ChicosBailBonds on September 30, 2010, 11:43:08 AM
Quote from: Eford4President2012 on September 30, 2010, 11:33:27 AM
You are lucky.  I work in a group consisting of me and 12 women.  I just worked my way out of a conversation about prom dresses.

That is funny.  Did you use the old stand by "Off like a prom dress"?  That would have gone over well

(http://rlv.zcache.com/surrender_your_dress_prom_date_sticker-p217235171281623288tdcj_210.jpg)
Title: Re: Austin Rivers to Duke
Post by: groove on September 30, 2010, 11:49:37 AM
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on September 30, 2010, 11:27:54 AM
The two of them are going at it right now.  It's rather funny.  Nothing like having a Duke grad and a UNC grade in offices next to each other.  Comical to say the least

happens everyday down here in the raleigh area. Plus add in the NC State grads.
Title: Re: Austin Rivers to Duke
Post by: ChicosBailBonds on September 30, 2010, 11:56:25 AM
Quote from: groove on September 30, 2010, 11:49:37 AM
happens everyday down here in the raleigh area. Plus add in the NC State grads.

We normally get the day to day USC vs UCLA banter here.  Throw in the occasional Cal and Stanford grad as well.
Title: Re: Austin Rivers to Duke
Post by: chapman on September 30, 2010, 01:08:00 PM
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on September 30, 2010, 11:27:54 AM
The two of them are going at it right now.  It's rather funny.  Nothing like having a Duke grad and a UNC grade in offices next to each other.  Comical to say the least

I have 2 from each all within about 20 feet of each other.  I think I'll e-mail them the story and see what happens.
Title: Re: Austin Rivers to Duke
Post by: mu-rara on September 30, 2010, 01:29:04 PM
I have Bear fans in my office, in downtotwn MKE for God's sake.
Title: Re: Austin Rivers to Duke
Post by: PJDunn on September 30, 2010, 02:09:00 PM
I have a fairly decent connection to the UW program and they think that Wroten is a lock.  That being said, they have had some last minute surprises on the recruiting trail thanks to coach cal recently, so we shall see.
Title: Re: Austin Rivers to Duke
Post by: ChicosBailBonds on September 30, 2010, 02:35:40 PM
Speaking of Duke, the story in Deadspin today about the woman's thesis on "horizontal academics" is a classic
Title: Re: Austin Rivers to Duke
Post by: reinko on September 30, 2010, 04:05:53 PM
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on September 30, 2010, 02:35:40 PM
Speaking of Duke, the story in Deadspin today about the woman's thesis on "horizontal academics" is a classic

+1 http://deadspin.com/5652280/the-full-duke-university-unnatural carnal knowledge-list-thesis-from-a-former-female-student/gallery/
Title: Re: Austin Rivers to Duke
Post by: mileskishnish72 on October 01, 2010, 07:54:39 AM
How does Duke keep doing it? I know they have better weather, but is their campus as pretty as ours?
Title: Re: Austin Rivers to Duke
Post by: 🏀 on October 01, 2010, 08:21:22 AM
Quote from: mileskishnish72 on October 01, 2010, 07:54:39 AM
How does Duke keep doing it? I know they have better weather, but is their campus as pretty as ours?

Really?
Title: Re: Austin Rivers to Duke
Post by: MarkCharles on October 01, 2010, 10:09:37 AM
Quote from: mileskishnish72 on October 01, 2010, 07:54:39 AM
How does Duke keep doing it? I know they have better weather, but is their campus as pretty as ours?

Hahahaha

Yes, their campus is like an Ivy League campus in the south. Do you even consider MU's campus pretty, except for a few pockets here and there?

I bet Coach K's 4 national titles has something to do with it as well.....
Title: Re: Austin Rivers to Duke
Post by: chapman on October 01, 2010, 10:16:24 AM
Quote from: MarkCharles on October 01, 2010, 10:09:37 AM
Hahahaha

Yes, their campus is like an Ivy League campus in the south. Do you even consider MU's campus pretty, except for a few pockets here and there?

I bet Coach K's 4 national titles has something to do with it as well.....

It always amazes me how their campus is a couple minutes from the dump that is downtown Durham yet is completely isolated and looks like a completely different world.
Title: Re: Austin Rivers to Duke
Post by: Canned Goods n Ammo on October 01, 2010, 10:17:44 AM
Quote from: MarkCharles on October 01, 2010, 10:09:37 AM
Hahahaha

Yes, their campus is like an Ivy League campus in the south. Do you even consider MU's campus pretty, except for a few pockets here and there?

I bet Coach K's 4 national titles has something to do with it as well.....

For an urban campus, MU is pretty good and getting better.

Compared to a more "traditional" college campus, MU doesn't look so hot.
Title: Re: Austin Rivers to Duke
Post by: mileskishnish72 on October 01, 2010, 10:37:29 AM
MU's a city school, no doubt - but I've got to say, I got a chance to get back to Milwaukee a couple of years ago and I thought it looked pretty darn good - certainly better than back in the day. Used to park up on 15th and now that's all blocked off and actually looking campus-like.
Title: Re: Austin Rivers to Duke
Post by: reinko on October 01, 2010, 10:50:13 AM
Quote from: chapman on October 01, 2010, 10:16:24 AM
It always amazes me how their campus is a couple minutes from the dump that is downtown Durham yet is completely isolated and looks like a completely different world.

Really?

Go to Yale in New Haven, or Princeton in NJ, USC which borders Compton, University of Chicago...all the exact same way
Title: Re: Austin Rivers to Duke
Post by: ChicosBailBonds on October 01, 2010, 04:55:57 PM
Quote from: reinko on October 01, 2010, 10:50:13 AM
Really?

Go to Yale in New Haven, or Princeton in NJ, USC which borders Compton, University of Chicago...all the exact same way

Yup.  When many of these universities were founded, including Marquette, the locations were prime.  See Pabst Mansion next to MU.  But as people fled the cities to the suburbs, the surroundings changed considerably in the neighborhoods surrounding these schools.   Yale stunned me...just a few blocks off campus.  Pittsburgh was the same way.  USC, no doubt.  University of Chicago, etc, etc.
Title: Re: Austin Rivers to Duke
Post by: 4everwarriors on October 01, 2010, 05:09:13 PM
Yep, some of America's elite institutions are in the shiitiest parts of town. Of course they can pull it off because they're not middle of the road schools.
Title: Be careful
Post by: MU Avenue on October 01, 2010, 05:09:47 PM
Some here are sounding very white and privileged right about now.

Exactly what "stunned" you about Yale University, ChicosBailBonds?

And what about Yale, Princeton, USC or the University of Chicago makes them "all the exact same" as Marquette, reinko?
Title: Re: Be careful
Post by: reinko on October 01, 2010, 05:38:20 PM
Quote from: MU Avenue on October 01, 2010, 05:09:47 PM
Some here are sounding very white and privileged right about now.

Exactly what "stunned" you about Yale University, ChicosBailBonds?

And what about Yale, Princeton, USC or the University of Chicago makes them "all the exact same" as Marquette, reinko?

What makes the the same?  Or if allowed, may I correct myself and say similar. 

Gee...hmmm  If you actually read chapman post's about how surprised he was that Duke's campus seems to be so far removed from the reality that most Durham residents live.  A city that is economically depressed with high unemployment, failing public school systems, and crime rates higher than the national average.

And my post, that compares the cities of Princeton, NJ, New Haven, CT, the south side of Chicago, and South Central Los Angeles to similar community issues that folks in Durham, NC face.

So settle down Whitlock with throwing the race card around and let the adults speak.
Title: Re: Be careful
Post by: Pakuni on October 01, 2010, 05:39:14 PM
Quote from: MU Avenue on October 01, 2010, 05:09:47 PM
Some here are sounding very white and privileged right about now.

Exactly what "stunned" you about Yale University, ChicosBailBonds?

And what about Yale, Princeton, USC or the University of Chicago makes them "all the exact same" as Marquette, reinko?

Oh, good grief.
It's "white and privileged" to discuss the obvious dichotomy that exists when a respected institution of higher learning is surrounded by a poor, blighted neighborhood?
Please explain why, oh Enligtened One.
Title: Re: Be careful
Post by: ChicosBailBonds on October 01, 2010, 05:40:52 PM
Quote from: MU Avenue on October 01, 2010, 05:09:47 PM
Some here are sounding very white and privileged right about now.

Exactly what "stunned" you about Yale University, ChicosBailBonds?

And what about Yale, Princeton, USC or the University of Chicago makes them "all the exact same" as Marquette, reinko?

I was stunned that an Ivy League school was surrounded by a neighborhood with very high crime rates.   You go on the campus and it's one thing, you walk around the block and it's a different situation all together.  People have this viewpoint of Yale (or USC) based on a brochure and pretty pictures, set perhaps in the countryside or in a nook of town like Georgetown is, but that's not the case.  (all that being said, the crime rates around Yale are much lower now than they were in the 1980's...similar story with Marquette...policing is better, policies by the university, etc)

I don't think there's anything to be "careful" about, that's just the reality of the situation.  Has nothing to do with race which I imagine is where you were going with your comment on "white".  

(http://www.universities-weblog.com/50226711/yale11.jpg)

vs New Haven

(http://blog.lib.umn.edu/zerot001/architecture/ghetto.jpg) (http://static.ivygateblog.com.s3.amazonaws.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/02/newhaven07.jpg)

Title: Re: Austin Rivers to Duke
Post by: chapman on October 01, 2010, 05:49:08 PM
Yes, you guys have nailed it.  I drive by the Duke campus at least twice a week and have been on campus a few times. The campus is beautiful, clean, quiet, well-maintained, and yes it could be described as "privileged".  Duke's campus would seem to fit if it were transplanted into parts of Chapel Hill or right next to Research Triangle Park, more modern, high investment, and recently developed areas.  It's a whole different world compared to much of Durham, which is run down, poor, rough, disadvantaged, and very high in crime and gang activity.  Tuition for a year at Duke is more than a house only a couple minutes away.  Chicos nailed it – you would expect the quiet, wealthier appearance of these campuses to be in the suburbs, based on how things have changed since they were founded – it's unfortunate, but it's the reality.
Title: Re: Austin Rivers to Duke
Post by: TheTasteofGarlic on October 01, 2010, 06:09:31 PM
Quote from: Eford4President2012 on September 30, 2010, 11:33:27 AM
You are lucky.  I work in a group consisting of me and 12 women.  I just worked my way out of a conversation about prom dresses.

Vietnamese nail salon?
Title: Re: Austin Rivers to Duke
Post by: brewcity77 on October 01, 2010, 07:26:57 PM
Quote from: chapman on October 01, 2010, 10:16:24 AM
It always amazes me how their campus is a couple minutes from the dump that is downtown Durham yet is completely isolated and looks like a completely different world.

Is Marquette any different? I am from the Milwaukee area, so I was already familiar with the neighborhoods just west of campus, but was still amused when I took my campus tour of Marquette. The guide mentioned all the great things Milwaukee had to offer, and encouraged everyone to go east, to see downtown, the East Side, etc. But it was as though the city simply ended going west at Mashuda. We didn't even get to the end of the block before the girl was talking about driving down to the lakefront. We have plenty of ghetto just a couple minutes from our own campus.
Title: Re: Austin Rivers to Duke
Post by: 4everwarriors on October 01, 2010, 07:48:38 PM
Quote from: brewcity77 on October 01, 2010, 07:26:57 PM
Is Marquette any different? I am from the Milwaukee area, so I was already familiar with the neighborhoods just west of campus, but was still amused when I took my campus tour of Marquette. The guide mentioned all the great things Milwaukee had to offer, and encouraged everyone to go east, to see downtown, the East Side, etc. But it was as though the city simply ended going west at Mashuda. We didn't even get to the end of the block before the girl was talking about driving down to the lakefront. We have plenty of ghetto just a couple minutes from our own campus.

Ah, guess what? Marquette is right smack in the inner city.
Title: Whitlock?
Post by: MU Avenue on October 02, 2010, 10:35:33 AM
Quote from: reinko on October 01, 2010, 05:38:20 PM
What makes the the same?  Or if allowed, may I correct myself and say similar. 

Gee...hmmm  If you actually read chapman post's about how surprised he was that Duke's campus seems to be so far removed from the reality that most Durham residents live.  A city that is economically depressed with high unemployment, failing public school systems, and crime rates higher than the national average.

And my post, that compares the cities of Princeton, NJ, New Haven, CT, the south side of Chicago, and South Central Los Angeles to similar community issues that folks in Durham, NC face.

So settle down Whitlock with throwing the race card around and let the adults speak.

I have no idea what reinko means when he refers to others here as "Whitlock." A term of endearment or a slap in the face? Which is it?

And, yes, some in this thread do sound very white, very privileged and a little scared of certain others with whom they share this great country.
Title: Re: Whitlock?
Post by: MarkCharles on October 02, 2010, 11:03:03 AM
Quote from: MU Avenue on October 02, 2010, 10:35:33 AM
I have no idea what reinko means when he refers to others here as "Whitlock." A term of endearment or a slap in the face? Which is it?

And, yes, some in this thread do sound very white, very privileged and a little scared of certain others with whom they share this great country.

Nobody here has done anything but state facts. You're just searching for something. Get over it.
Title: Re: Austin Rivers to Duke
Post by: brewcity77 on October 02, 2010, 11:05:28 AM
Quote from: 4everwarriors on October 01, 2010, 07:48:38 PM
Ah, guess what? Marquette is right smack in the inner city.

Yeah...so why do people seem so shocked that other universities have similar situations?  ?-(
Title: Have to agree with brewcity77
Post by: MU Avenue on October 02, 2010, 11:40:18 AM
Quote from: brewcity77 on October 02, 2010, 11:05:28 AM
Yeah...so why do people seem so shocked that other universities have similar situations?  ?-(

There is an odd feel to many of the posts in this thread. As brewcity77 asks, why are so many people here "shocked" that many urban colleges and universities -- from local or regional schools to the biggest names in academia -- must deal with all that comes with being in the city?

It is news to some here that New Haven, Conn., is a tough town? Or that Hyde Park on the South Side of Chicago is no place for the faint of heart? Urban locales bring urban issues, and have since the start of "city" time.

The best schools are able to thrive in such settings.
Title: Re: Have to agree with brewcity77
Post by: MarkCharles on October 02, 2010, 02:11:47 PM
Quote from: MU Avenue on October 02, 2010, 11:40:18 AM
There is an odd feel to many of the posts in this thread. As brewcity77 asks, why are so many people here "shocked" that many urban colleges and universities -- from local or regional schools to the biggest names in academia -- must deal with all that comes with being in the city?

It is news to some here that New Haven, Conn., is a tough town? Or that Hyde Park on the South Side of Chicago is no place for the faint of heart? Urban locales bring urban issues, and have since the start of "city" time.

The best schools are able to thrive in such settings.

You readily admit that urban campuses bring "urban issues" (politically correct euphemism if I've ever heard one). So why are you accusing others of white elitism for saying basically the exact same thing? And by the way, it doesn't make someone racist to not want to be in an area because its infested with crime and drugs.

All anyone here is doing is pointing out the irony that there are incredibly pristine, privileged pockets of cities where certain universities are located that are literally feet away from ghettos and the poorest areas of town.
Title: Re: Austin Rivers to Duke
Post by: Chicago_inferiority_complexes on October 02, 2010, 02:22:10 PM
I would have thought the Univ of Chicago to be in / have a decent area (much like the other schools mentioned), but I had a friend come up from the U of C one weekend, and she thought MU had a much better selection and availability of apartments than the U of C neighborhood. I'm not from Chicago though so I wouldn't know much of their campus to begin with.
Title: Re: Whitlock?
Post by: ChicosBailBonds on October 02, 2010, 03:35:52 PM
Quote from: MU Avenue on October 02, 2010, 10:35:33 AM


And, yes, some in this thread do sound very white, very privileged and a little scared of certain others with whom they share this great country.


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Title: Re: Have to agree with brewcity77
Post by: ChicosBailBonds on October 02, 2010, 03:38:33 PM
Quote from: MU Avenue on October 02, 2010, 11:40:18 AM
There is an odd feel to many of the posts in this thread. As brewcity77 asks, why are so many people here "shocked" that many urban colleges and universities -- from local or regional schools to the biggest names in academia -- must deal with all that comes with being in the city?

It is news to some here that New Haven, Conn., is a tough town? Or that Hyde Park on the South Side of Chicago is no place for the faint of heart? Urban locales bring urban issues, and have since the start of "city" time.

The best schools are able to thrive in such settings.

Your problem is that you seem to think that we shy away from these schools, look down on them, etc, etc because of their surroundings.  That's not the case at all.  Just stating facts of reality of the blighted neighborhoods that surround these schools, many of which WERE NOT LIKE THIS when the schools were founded. 

The irony of your comments is that you are the one throwing out racial accusations with your tone when no one here has done what you accuse them of.  Good day
Title: Re: Austin Rivers to Duke
Post by: texaswarrior74 on October 02, 2010, 08:02:27 PM
You certainly don't wander far off the campus at U Penn either....in some cases only a block or two.....VERY bad part of Philly....
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