Unless they cheat like they did an USC the west coast is unable to field a team that can compare to the midwest or the south. It's a shame that California has become a wasteland for gridiron excellence. Must be the water. I watch Stanford play the other day. Garbage in garbage out. Northwestern would eat them alive. can't wait to see Notre Dame beat them by 30
ASU should have beat Wisconsin by two TDs!!
Quote from: LCDutchman on September 22, 2010, 03:54:28 PM
Unless they cheat like they did an USC the west coast is unable to field a team that can compare to the midwest or the south. It's a shame that California has become a wasteland for gridiron excellence. Must be the water. I watch Stanford play the other day. Garbage in garbage out. Northwestern would eat them alive. can't wait to see Notre Dame beat them by 30
I have no horse in this race, but no way ND hangs 30 points on them, not to mention winning by 30.
I think Stanford may win that fairly easilly. Oregon isn't a slouch program either.
Arizona just beat the supposed 2nd best team in the big televevenlve.
Quote from: LCDutchman on September 22, 2010, 03:54:28 PM
Unless they cheat like they did an USC the west coast is unable to field a team that can compare to the midwest or the south. It's a shame that California has become a wasteland for gridiron excellence. Must be the water. I watch Stanford play the other day. Garbage in garbage out. Northwestern would eat them alive. can't wait to see Notre Dame beat them by 30
I'll take that bet. Hell, let me just take Stanford straight up since you think they will lose by 30. What's the bet?
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on September 22, 2010, 05:58:40 PM
Oregon isn't a slouch program either.
This. Number 5 in the nation, and some analysts think they're the best (yes, better than Alabama...I disagree but...) team in the nation.
Quote from: Chili on September 22, 2010, 06:30:38 PM
Arizona just beat the supposed 2nd best team in the big televevenlve.
And this.
Quote from: wadesworld on September 23, 2010, 08:28:28 AM
This. Number 5 in the nation, and some analysts think they're the best (yes, better than Alabama...I disagree but...) team in the nation.
And this.
Bosie State has been on a pretty solid run as well. If they beat OSU this week, they are probably going to find themselves in the national title game.
Quote from: NavinRJohnson on September 23, 2010, 09:58:59 AM
Bosie State has been on a pretty solid run as well. If they beat OSU this week, they are probably going to find themselves in the national title game.
not going to happen, no one wants to see boise in the title game
Quote from: NavinRJohnson on September 23, 2010, 09:58:59 AM
Bosie State has been on a pretty solid run as well. If they beat OSU this week, they are probably going to find themselves in the national title game.
Not sure how friendly the computers will be to Boise St. is Va Tech (Boise State's only marquee* win) continues to sputter.
*And IMHO, that marquee win is crap...against a team they were favored and on neutral field...As in previous years, one loss teams in the SEC, Big Ten, and Big 12 may still have enough juice to get to the title game.
Quote from: NavinRJohnson on September 23, 2010, 09:58:59 AM
Bosie State has been on a pretty solid run as well. If they beat OSU this week, they are probably going to find themselves in the national title game.
Good point. I didn't even think of them as West Coast.
Quote from: jfmu on September 23, 2010, 11:10:57 AM
not going to happen, no one wants to see boise in the title game
I do. There's only so many times the same team can go undefeated and win a BCS bowl before they finally are given the opportunity to prove they're the best team in the nation. And I typically hate seeing mid-major conference teams (in any sport) wine about not getting enough publicity.
Quote from: reinko on September 23, 2010, 11:25:21 AM
Not sure how friendly the computers will be to Boise St. is Va Tech (Boise State's only marquee* win) continues to sputter.
*And IMHO, that marquee win is crap...against a team they were favored and on neutral field...As in previous years, one loss teams in the SEC, Big Ten, and Big 12 may still have enough juice to get to the title game.
If 2,387 miles compared to 281 miles and about 75% Virginia Tech fans compared to about 25% Boise State fans is a neutral field, then yes it was played on a "neutral" field. And they were certainly not huge favorites going into the game. It was #10 vs. #3.
If there is more than 1 team that goes undefeated from the SEC, Big Ten, Pac 10, and Big Twelve then chances are whatever teams those are jump Boise State in the BCS rankings; however, I personally think if Boise State runs the table the only two team that should be ranked higher is if an SEC team runs the table (obviously that is most likely Alabama but you never know) and if a Pac 10 team runs the table. I don't think Texas or Oklahoma are nearly as good this year as they have been previously and I think the Big Ten is extremely overrated (as it always is...see Iowa last weekend, Penn State got pounded by Mark Ingram-less Alabama who obviously is really good but if Penn State is good they should've been able to make it a respectable game, Wisconsin is clearly not as good as their ranking, etc.). I really do believe that the Pac 10 is the 2nd best conference in the nation. With Arizona, Oregon, USC (can't make a bowl game but are still a pretty good team), and Stanford, if a team comes out of that conference undefeated they deserve to go to the national championship.
The Big East isn't even worth mentioning when talking national championship contenders.
Quote from: jfmu on September 23, 2010, 11:10:57 AM
not going to happen, no one wants to see boise in the title game
Actually a lot of people want to see it, but the networks and those in the BCS conferences don't. I'd love to see them in there and some of the polling shows that I'm not alone.
Come on Dutchman....no takers on a bet?
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on September 23, 2010, 12:08:51 PM
Actually a lot of people want to see it, but the networks and those in the BCS conferences don't. I'd love to see them in there and some of the polling shows that I'm not alone.
Why don't the networks want it? Because their rating will suffer because the general public would rather see Bama and Ohio State.
Your on Chicos
If Stanford wins I will write a fan letter to Tan Tommy Crean Puff and apologize for calling him the William Munny of the college game. If ND wins you buy and drink a green beer.
So Chicos is in a no-lose situation. If he wins...he wins. If he loses...he drinks beer.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on September 23, 2010, 02:25:21 PM
Why don't the networks want it? Because their rating will suffer because the general public would rather see Bama and Ohio State.
Your evidence to support that argument is what?
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on September 23, 2010, 02:25:21 PM
Why don't the networks want it? Because their rating will suffer because the general public would rather see Bama and Ohio State.
From a ratings standpoint, the networks will suffer. The "feel good" stories simply rarely pan out in the ratings over the traditionally dominant teams. There have been a few exceptions but largely it's how it works. My former boss is now the president of Fox Sports as of a few months ago...only 40 years old, what a gig. He used talk about the matchups of smaller \ lesser national teams always made wonderful story lines and compelling television but at the end of the day, most folks will tune in for Ohio State vs USC title game than Boise State vs Florida (same goes for the Tampa Rays in the World Series or Arizona Cardinals or Tampa or Seattle or Atlanta in the Super Bowl). Of course, there are exceptions...last year's Super Bowl with New Orleans was the biggest ever in viewership and second highest in rating.
Quote from: LCDutchman on September 23, 2010, 02:36:30 PM
Your on Chicos
If Stanford wins I will write a fan letter to Tan Tommy Crean Puff and apologize for calling him the William Munny of the college game. If ND wins you buy and drink a green beer.
I was thinking more along the lines of, if I win you buy Canadian Dimes a dictionary and a poetry book by e.e. cummings.
I'm not sure that Boise even qualifies as a feel good story anymore. Same probably goes for TCU. Sometimes you're just good. Those two teams seem to differ from other mid-major types because unlike most of those other one hit wonder types who thrive on speed, gimmick offenses, etc., they seemingly have the ability to get the 300 pound guys to play in the trenches, that most MWC, CUSA type teams typically lack, putting them on much more even footing with BCS conference teams.
Quote from: NavinRJohnson on September 23, 2010, 02:51:37 PM
Your evidence to support that argument is what?
Of last year's bowl games, the TCU v. Boise Fiesta Bowl was the lowest.
Chicos even said it...the fans at large would rather watch the bluebloods...and that's what the networks want.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on September 23, 2010, 05:32:03 PM
Of last year's bowl games, the TCU v. Boise Fiesta Bowl was the lowest.
Chicos even said it...the fans at large would rather watch the bluebloods...and that's what the networks want.
My guess is that if it was Boise State vs. Florida and TCU vs. Ohio State the ratings for both games would've been higher. The David vs. Goliath idea draws more than the Goliath vs. Goliath. Those 2 teams just want a chance to prove they can play with the big boys. That's why it pissed me off that they matched those 2 teams up against each other, but makes sense because the big time conferences don't want these schools proving they can play with the big boys.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on September 23, 2010, 03:04:01 PM
I was thinking more along the lines of, if I win you buy Canadian Dimes a dictionary and a poetry book by e.e. cummings.
+10
Quote from: wadesworld on September 23, 2010, 11:05:50 PM
My guess is that if it was Boise State vs. Florida and TCU vs. Ohio State the ratings for both games would've been higher. The David vs. Goliath idea draws more than the Goliath vs. Goliath. Those 2 teams just want a chance to prove they can play with the big boys. That's why it pissed me off that they matched those 2 teams up against each other, but makes sense because the big time conferences don't want these schools proving they can play with the big boys.
But you'd get the highest ratings of all if you matched Florida and Ohio State. That's just how it is....Boise and TCU make for good stories, but in the end, the ratings show that people prefer the big programs.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on September 24, 2010, 08:11:30 AM
But you'd get the highest ratings of all if you matched Florida and Ohio State. That's just how it is....Boise and TCU make for good stories, but in the end, the ratings show that people prefer the big programs.
That may be true, but given that is all anyone is given the opportunity to watch, I guess we'll never know. I understand it may not be a fair comparison, but the NCAA tournament probably suggests a different story.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on September 24, 2010, 08:11:30 AM
But you'd get the highest ratings of all if you matched Florida and Ohio State. That's just how it is....Boise and TCU make for good stories, but in the end, the ratings show that people prefer the big programs.
Or do the ratings show that people prefer the biggest games (as in the Championship game, or the Rose Bowl which still occupies its traditional New Year's Day time slot). If Wisconsin and Oregon State wind up in this year's Rose Bowl, it will still get double digit ratings.To suggest that ratings are higher for Texas-Alabama, or Ohio State and Oregon, is simply a function of the teams playing is a bit silly. I agree its a factor, but were Boise in the title game against Alabama instead of Texas, are you really suggesting that the ratings would have been significantly lower?
Quote from: NavinRJohnson on September 24, 2010, 08:34:51 AM
Or do the ratings show that people prefer the biggest games (as in the Championship game, or the Rose Bowl which still occupies its traditional New Year's Day time slot). If Wisconsin and Oregon State wind up in this year's Rose Bowl, it will still get double digit ratings.To suggest that ratings are higher for Texas-Alabama, or Ohio State and Oregon, is simply a function of the teams playing is a bit silly. I agree its a factor, but were Boise in the title game against Alabama instead of Texas, are you really suggesting that the ratings would have been significantly lower?
Actually, yes. A Wisconsin Oregon State Rose Bowl game would very likely have lower ratings than Ohio State and USC or Michigan and USC. The teams have a lot to do with it. The data shows it. Certainly there are exceptions to the rule.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on September 24, 2010, 12:35:14 PM
Actually, yes. A Wisconsin Oregon State Rose Bowl game would very likely have lower ratings than Ohio State and USC or Michigan and USC. The teams have a lot to do with it. The data shows it. Certainly there are exceptions to the rule.
Significantly lower? How do you know that?
Of course the teams have an impact. I'm not suggesting otherwise, but there are obviously many factors that are going to affect TV ratings. The teams are clearly one of them, but what is that difference going to be? Is it going to be a 5% difference? 10%? 25%? If Alabama and Oregon play in the National Championship game, will the ratings differ significantly from Alabama and Boise State? Which direction? Since it has never been tested, how do you know?
My point is, that a Wisconsin-OSU Rose Bowl would still draw good, comparable ratings. I'm guessing the data shows that as well. Certainly better that the Orange Bowl for example that is played on some random Monday or Tuesday night.
All we can do is compare year over year, it's not a perfect science and as such, the data is a bit cloudy because other forces are in play as well.
But if you normalize for it, the bigger programs draw the bigger ratings. It doesn't matter what sport. If the Yankees are in the World Series, big ratings. If the Cowboys are in the Super Bowl, big ratings. Same for college bowls, NCAA championship games, etc.
The cliche that such and such network is rooting for the Yankees over the Twins is not just East Coast bias...it's MONEY and RATINGS. Even though the Twins are a much more compelling story. It just is what it is.
There are stacks and stack of tv ratings data. To your point, yes, a Wisconsin Oregon State Rose Bowl game would draw pretty well but in the game of TV ratings and $$$$, if you can do better you want the better national matchup. The difference in rating points means a tremendous amount of $$$
Quote from: LCDutchman on September 22, 2010, 03:54:28 PM
Unless they cheat like they did an USC the west coast is unable to field a team that can compare to the midwest or the south. It's a shame that California has become a wasteland for gridiron excellence. Must be the water. I watch Stanford play the other day. Garbage in garbage out. Northwestern would eat them alive. can't wait to see Notre Dame beat them by 30
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