Is there any intention that marquette is getting a football team? I think it would be great if they did.
Quote from: MUBalla23 on September 12, 2010, 01:59:25 PM
Is there any intention that marquette is getting a football team? I think it would be great if they did.
Really? This again? A Marquette football team is as likely as peace between Israel and Palestine. Its only a dream.
I bet there is peace in the middle east before Marquette football returns.
Which is to say, someone is going to nuke the other side out of existence before Marquette football returns.
Great effort was made in 60's- 70's by the majority of the student body, headed by ASMU, to bring football back..., resulted in club football and that's that.
Was in Chicago yesterday after the Northwestern game and absolutely love the 'campus atmosphere' on Saturdays. I sure would be happy to have football again.
I'd love it as well, but just not on a FBS level. It would have to be at the level of a Butler, Dayton, etc.
I wonder if we could use Miller Park. Sports is an ideal way to improve the name recognition of Marquette around the country. Football might be a good investment.
I'll admit, for me this conversation never really gets old. I love speculating about it, but we all need to admit there is a 99.9% chance this never happens.
I think any team would have to fill up the stands at Valley Fields and then Hart Park in Tosa before Miller Park is a hint of a possibility, which it isn't because the Brewers will never go for it and a football field won't fit.
Quote from: MUBalla23 on September 12, 2010, 01:59:25 PM
Is there any intention that marquette is getting a football team? I think it would be great if they did.
Better chance that Warriors returns or me worshipping the throne Crean sits on.
Put a dollar sign in front of 9 random digits and two commas. Whatever that number is, assume it is the amount needed to start from nothing and get to a solid D1 program. Donate it, and we will name the team whatever you want.
Quote from: tower912 on September 12, 2010, 06:35:57 PM
Put a dollar sign in front of 9 random digits and two commas. Whatever that number is, assume it is the amount needed to start from nothing and get to a solid D1 program. Donate it, and we will name the team whatever you want.
Your comment above makes no sense, tower912: "Put a dollar sign in front of 9 random digits and two commas. Whatever that number is, assume it is the amount needed to start from nothing and get to a solid D1 program."
Huh?
Your point, one assumes, is that bringing football back to Marquette would come with some serious costs. But not nearly the costs you are suggesting.
"Put a dollar sign in front of 9 random digits and two commas. ..."
What?
The $100 million estimate is not exaggeration enough?
Quote from: tower912 on September 12, 2010, 06:35:57 PM
Put a dollar sign in front of 9 random digits and two commas. Whatever that number is, assume it is the amount needed to start from nothing and get to a solid D1 program. Donate it, and we will name the team whatever you want.
That's why you do it and don't make it DI FBS. The cost goes down dramatically.
Read the recent ESPN Magazine about Georgia State football's first season in D-1.
Yup. I'd support Marquette Football hands down, but it - if it ever happens - will not be great until my children's children.
And I don't have any children yet.
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_much_does_a_professional_football_stadium_cost
Yeah, I know it is for professional stadiums. To play in D1, you have to maintain a minimum average attendance. For the sake of argument, lets say MU builds a 30k stadium. And they would need to as the soccer field likely isn't adaptable and Miller Park is (a) probably unadaptable and (b) probably unavailable. So you need to find enough real estate within a reasonable distance of campus to build a stadium and have parking. Maybe I'm not crazy after all.
http://www.wsfa.com/Global/story.asp?S=13100523
$50 mil to build a 30K capacity stadium near Montgomery, Alabama. And they own the real estate. Care to speculate how much sufficient land would cost somewhere near MU?
the university of Chicago maroons are more likely to make a comeback than MU. u laugh? they recently thought about it. money is no issue for them. the problem was dilluting their academic reputation by offering athletic scholarships. the trustees said no.
the biggest problem I have with throwing around the idea of a football team is the lack of financial resources. the academic endowment (relative to better private schools) is piss poor. work on the academic endowment before the athletic endowment.
besides, it's not like the BE would be interested in a new shitty program. please add TCU!!!!! second best option: James Madison!!! third best....who gives a crap
i just dont like college football, so am okay with us not having a team.
Just got a little excited thinking about a gold helmet with the blue MU monogram...
Quote from: Victor McCormick on September 13, 2010, 12:38:14 AM
Just got a little excited thinking about a gold helmet with the blue MU monogram...
Looks like someone has already toyed with the concept...but not your colors:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v159/MilTownMVP/College%20Football%20Concepts/mu_football_unis_home.png)
Quote from: lawwarrior12 on September 12, 2010, 08:54:50 PM
i just dont like college football, so am okay with us not having a team.
There's a good point. Let's focus on the sports that the NCAA actually hands out a national championship trophy for.
John Sisk, Jr. (All-stater from MUHS) was a promising running back on MU's last D-! football team (1960). Years earlier, his father, John Sisk, Sr. had a very nice career with the Chicago Bears. All-Pro George Andrie played tight end on that '60 team. Karl Kassulkie transferred to Drake and went on to a nice career with the Vikings. Soph QB Terry Zang's collegiate career got deep-sixed when Fr. O'Donnell pulled the plug - but at least the good padre didn't drop the medical school.......for awhile.
Quote from: 77ncaachamps on September 13, 2010, 01:01:14 AM
Looks like someone has already toyed with the concept...but not your colors:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v159/MilTownMVP/College%20Football%20Concepts/mu_football_unis_home.png)
BONER!
Quote from: lawwarrior12 on September 12, 2010, 08:54:50 PM
i just dont like college football, so am okay with us not having a team.
How do not like college football? >:( >:( It's the best thing in the world!!!
Quote from: 77ncaachamps on September 13, 2010, 01:01:14 AM
Looks like someone has already toyed with the concept...but not your colors:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v159/MilTownMVP/College%20Football%20Concepts/mu_football_unis_home.png)
Those are pretty close to the Uniforms Marquette wears on NCAA football 10 (a team that I created). There is a difference in the checkered striping but I think they look pretty cool.
I'm right there, too. I did not watch a single play this weekend. Last weekend, all I watched was the Boise St/V Tech game. Somehow, I survived. I will attend the game in Ann Arbor this weekend, I've been to games in East Lansing, Kalamazoo, Mt. Pleasant, South Bend, Evanston, but it just doesn't move me. I get more enjoyment watching a Towson St/Loyola, Md tilt during championship week than I do watching the faux national championship game in college football. I was accepted at ND and Michigan. I went to Marquette. And that, in a nutshell, encapsulates my attitude toward college football.
Quote from: mupanther on September 13, 2010, 12:19:53 PM
How do not like college football? >:( >:( It's the best thing in the world!!!
False.
College teams run gimmick offenses and can't even determine a true national champion. So overrated - best thing about it is the crowd shots during SEC games (the girls obviously, not the douchey frat guys).
Quote from: mupanther on September 13, 2010, 12:19:53 PM
How do not like college football? >:( >:( It's the best thing in the world!!!
I don't like it either.
:( The games take way too long (why do they have to stop the clock after 1st downs in the 1st and 3rd quarters? And instead of changing that, they tried making it so that the clock doesn't stop after turnovers???).
:( There are only 20-30 powerhouse programs and they hold a complete monopoly on the sport (and they're willing to destroy anything they have to to keep it that way).
:( After a team loses, their games no longer matter in the scope of a championship.
:( There is no playoff system and the teams that play for a championship are decided in an asinine manner.
:( Unless you happen to be in a BCS conference, you could go out and get the 55 best players on the planet and you still wouldn't be able to play for the national championship under the current system (we'll see if Boise State breaks that glass ceiling this year).
:( There are many meaningless bowl games that mean nothing.
:( The championship is played like 30-40 days after the season ends. That's way too much of a layoff and it's for no reason whatsoever.
:( They ruined the one thing that they had going for them - Jan 1. Before it was a ton of meaningless but interesting games (plus if you go far enough back a few of them had NC implications) all on the same day and you had non stop action and needed multiple TV's all day to take it all in. Now there's only like 4 or 5 games all day, one at a time. And none of them have anything to do with a national championship.
:( Being in Chicago/Milwaukee, the majority of the games we get on TV are boring B10 games.
:( You know the BCS is flawed when it rewards Ohio St with the opportunity to lose the championship every year for like 4 straight because they went undefeated in a crappy conference instead of better teams that actually had to play each other and ended up with a few losses. (same goes for ND if they ever make it).
Quote from: TJ on September 13, 2010, 12:55:16 PM
I don't like it either.
. . (same goes for ND if they ever make it).
No chance, ND has become the Cubs of College Football
Well I guess if you guys don't like it, what can I say but keep watching the nfl and the low scoring games and the Lions getting screwed.
The games take too long? They are only 3 1/2 hours long compared to 3 plus for the nfl. College has longer halftimes and the clock stops to reset the chains after first down.
Playoffs? Who needs a playoff ;)
The layoff has always been that way. The Bowl game was to reward a team for a great season. If you don't like the other bowl games don't watch. ( they get good ratings )
If you have cable, you have other leagues to watch other than the Big Ten since there is up to 30 games on TV.
Quote from: LancesOtherNut on September 13, 2010, 12:53:29 PM
College teams run gimmick offenses
says the board for a BBall team who didn't sport anyone over 6'6" last season and was widely considered one of the top 25 teams in the country.
Plus, the 'wildcat" was started by Arkansas and the nfl and others have copied it.
Quote from: PBRme on September 13, 2010, 01:19:40 PM
No chance, ND has become the Cubs of College Football
Huh? What does that even mean?
Quote from: MUBurrow on September 13, 2010, 02:17:51 PM
says the board for a BBall team who didn't sport anyone over 6'6" last season and was widely considered one of the top 25 teams in the country.
Buzz ran an offense to fit his pieces.
Urban Meyer (insert other spread offense coaches here) recruits QB's that won't do $hit in the NFL because they can win a "National Championship"
Quote from: mupanther on September 13, 2010, 02:22:58 PM
Plus, the 'wildcat" was started by Arkansas and the nfl and others have copied it.
And the wildcat is for teams without a good QB - Eagles (Vick is a glorified wildcat QB), Browns, Dolphins, etc... Wake me up when Aaron Rodgers is taken off the field to run that.
Quote from: mupanther on September 13, 2010, 01:30:45 PM
The games take too long? They are only 3 1/2 hours long compared to 3 plus for the nfl. College has longer halftimes and the clock stops to reset the chains after first down.
Playoffs? Who needs a playoff ;)
The layoff has always been that way. The Bowl game was to reward a team for a great season. If you don't like the other bowl games don't watch. ( they get good ratings )
If you have cable, you have other leagues to watch other than the Big Ten since there is up to 30 games on TV.
But a 7-5 seasons gets you into the "Meinecke Car Care Bowl" - why does a 7-5 team get a reward?
Quote from: LancesOtherNut on September 13, 2010, 02:33:41 PM
But a 7-5 seasons gets you into the "Meinecke Car Care Bowl" - why does a 7-5 team get a reward?
It's all about the money now, like everything in life.
Quote from: LancesOtherNut on September 13, 2010, 02:33:41 PM
But a 7-5 seasons gets you into the "Meinecke Car Care Bowl" - why does a 7-5 team get a reward?
I love college football so more bowls the better.
Quote from: mupanther on September 13, 2010, 01:27:03 PM
Well I guess if you guys don't like it, what can I say but keep watching the nfl and the low scoring games and the Lions getting screwed.
Certainly no college ref has ever blown a controversial call.
Quote from: Victor McCormick on September 13, 2010, 11:19:07 AM
BONER!
While Victor McCormick's reaction was a bit different than mine, I also love seeing the drawings of Marquette's football uniforms.
Nothing would be finer than seeing them on a renewed Marquette football team.
I still want to see a well-researched, detailed itemization of why it would cost $125 million for Marquette to make a return to NCAA football.
Quote from: MU Avenue on September 13, 2010, 07:36:14 PM
While Victor McCormick's reaction was a bit different than mine, I also love seeing the drawings of Marquette's football uniforms.
Nothing would be finer than seeing them on a renewed Marquette football team.
I still want to see a well-researched, detailed itemization of why it would cost $125 million for Marquette to make a return to NCAA football.
Feel free to conduct the analysis, we look forward to seeing what you come up with.
Things which rival the chance of MU fielding a football team:
1. Posters on this board stop posting about Tom Crean
2. The Badgers landing an athletic recruit
3. Tim Higgins refereeing an entire game without calling a foul only to get to himself more TV face time
4. Len Elmore broadcasting an entire BE game without mentioning that he and/or various players hail from NYC which makes them tough
5. MU decides to quit the whole Jesuit thing to better compete with unaffiliated institutions like the University of Phoenix
Quote from: Marquette_g on September 13, 2010, 09:23:32 PM
5. MU decides to quit the whole Jesuit thing to better compete with unaffiliated institutions like the University of Phoenix
But I thought University of Phoenix was Jesuit...
But you guys know that once Marquette gets a D1 program we'll immediately become competitive and beat the Badgers and ND year in and year out
Quote from: LancesOtherNut on September 13, 2010, 02:28:32 PM
Buzz ran an offense to fit his pieces.
Urban Meyer (insert other spread offense coaches here) recruits QB's that won't do $hit in the NFL because they can win a "National Championship"
Sure, college football and pro football are different, requiring different skill sets in certain programs, but that doesn't necessarily make it worse... You can't say you didn't enjoy watching Appalachian State's gimmick offense beat Michigan in the Big House a few years ago. Unless you're from Michigan, but you get what I mean. It's fun. College football is a lot of fun. How many college basketball teams do you see running NBA style offenses? They're also different games, with coaches recruiting to their styles, and no one here , nor anyone in their right mind would dare assert that college basketball isn't one of God's greatest gifts.
I get that you don't like college football, and that college football has its flaws (ahem, BCS) but your argument is off.
Quote from: MU Avenue on September 13, 2010, 07:36:14 PM
I still want to see a well-researched, detailed itemization of why it would cost $125 million for Marquette to make a return to NCAA football.
Because they'd have to add 4 women's sports to balance out the football team for Title IX.
Quote from: Brewtown Andy on September 14, 2010, 07:18:52 AM
Because they'd have to add 4 women's sports to balance out the football team for Title IX.
It's mostly because they'd have to build a stadium for $50 million. You just can't build something like that for less. And there's nowhere else to play.
Once you consider that number, it's pretty easy to get to $70 million more with scholarships, facilities, additional women's sports and all the other upstart costs.
Quote from: shiloh26 on September 13, 2010, 10:20:03 PM
Sure, college football and pro football are different, requiring different skill sets in certain programs, but that doesn't necessarily make it worse... You can't say you didn't enjoy watching Appalachian State's gimmick offense beat Michigan in the Big House a few years ago. Unless you're from Michigan, but you get what I mean. It's fun. College football is a lot of fun. How many college basketball teams do you see running NBA style offenses? They're also different games, with coaches recruiting to their styles, and no one here , nor anyone in their right mind would dare assert that college basketball isn't one of God's greatest gifts.
I get that you don't like college football, and that college football has its flaws (ahem, BCS) but your argument is off.
I'd probably enjoy any lower level D1 team beat a major program - just like I enjoy watching those same level teams beat high major programs in the best postseason tournament ever created. It's crazy how the NCAA can have the best and worst postseasons in its two flagship sports.
And Michigan runs a gimmicky spread offense too.
Quote from: LancesOtherNut on September 14, 2010, 08:08:12 AM
And Michigan runs a gimmicky spread offense too.
Agree.
The forward pass is also too gimicky.
Give me a full house backfield.
"Student body right on one on one!"
/Dreams of days with leather helmets.
Quote from: LancesOtherNut on September 14, 2010, 08:08:12 AM
It's crazy how the NCAA can have the best and worst postseasons in its two flagship sports.
The NCAA doesn't run the FBS level or (D-1A) it's CFA does. The NCAA runs FCS (D-1AA) that is why there is a playoff.
Everything in life has to do with $$$$$$$$$$. To much money in the bowl system. The season is the playoff, that makes college football great.
Quote from: mupanther on September 14, 2010, 08:34:46 AM
The NCAA doesn't run the FBS level or (D-1A) it's CFA does. The NCAA runs FCS (D-1AA) that is why there is a playoff.
Everything in life has to do with $$$$$$$$$$. To much money in the bowl system. The season is the playoff, that makes college football great.
The NCAA has no power to force a playoff on FBS schools.
Quote from: mupanther on September 14, 2010, 08:34:46 AM
The NCAA doesn't run the FBS level or (D-1A) it's CFA does. The NCAA runs FCS (D-1AA) that is why there is a playoff.
Everything in life has to do with $$$$$$$$$$. To much money in the bowl system. The season is the playoff, that makes college football great.
I agree with the Sultan (though I find that situation makes me sad). However, I disagree completely with the statement that a playoff system could not match or beat the bowl system in terms of revenue generated.
You can't tell me that having the best 2 teams play 4 games each in a 16 team playoff wouldn't make more money than them currently playing 1 game. Not to mention the interest in all the other games - a football elite 8 & final four could easily match the major bowls in revenue.
And there's nothing that says you couldn't still have bowl games for teams that didn't make it. The games would mean as much as they do now, so they really shouldn't take too much of a hit if they're marketed correctly.
Quote from: TJ on September 14, 2010, 09:12:26 AM
I agree with the Sultan (though I find that situation makes me sad). However, I disagree completely with the statement that a playoff system could not match or beat the bowl system in terms of revenue generated.
You can't tell me that having the best 2 teams play 4 games each in a 16 team playoff wouldn't make more money than them currently playing 1 game. Not to mention the interest in all the other games - a football elite 8 & final four could easily match the major bowls in revenue.
And there's nothing that says you couldn't still have bowl games for teams that didn't make it. The games would mean as much as they do now, so they really shouldn't take too much of a hit if they're marketed correctly.
+100000000000000000000000
If/when the playoff system ever does happen, this is what it will look like. 8 teams (or 16 at most)...and Bowl games for another 50 teams. And it will make a ton of money.
I agree with both of you. I think we eventually may see an 8 team tournament for college football, but it will be run by the BCS...not by the NCAA.
You are all wrong.
The presidents of the schools do not want a playoff. They don't care what you or I have to say about it.
They just had a vote to go to a plus one or 4 team playoff and that got voted down.
I said eventually...not imminently.
we all know it will not happen and why. But come on!!!! It would be awesome. MU football? Even those weirdo college football haters have to admit it would be pretty great to go down to the valley fields area to a small football field and sit in the bleachers and watch MU get killed on a saturday afternoon. You have to admit that getting beat up at camp randall wouldn't suck. We could start talking about what it will take to compete there. And then that year we go 7-5 and make the car care blimpie bowl we would all go crazy for that sniff of success. It would remind me of the Kevin O'Neal days.
So it would never happen? so what? If it could happen it would be awesome. It is the one thing I missed at MU.
I know this is slightly off-topic and I don't want to get murdered for it, but we are in the process of writing a couple stories about the history of MU football for the Marquette Tribune and I was wondering if there were any ex MU football players that frequent this board. Maybe even some friends/relatives/acquaintances of them. If there are, I would like to get a couple questions in, whether by phone or e-mail. You can PM me with that info later.
Sorry to thread hijack but thank you for your time.