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Title: Miller Park Shadows
Post by: Benny B on August 30, 2010, 09:14:31 AM
Is the problem with shadows at Miller Park real or imagined?

65% Yes
35% No

(as of 9:10am CT)

http://www.jsonline.com/sports/101773788.html



Who are the people who voted "No"?  And who lacking more in the noggin', those who voted "No" or the author who put up the choices of yes/no on this poll?

Title: Re: Miller Park Shadows
Post by: Aughnanure on August 30, 2010, 11:51:04 AM
Yes.
Title: Re: Miller Park Shadows
Post by: TallTitan34 on August 30, 2010, 11:54:08 AM
What is this shadows issue? Why haven't I heard of it before now?
Title: Re: Miller Park Shadows
Post by: robmufan on August 30, 2010, 12:18:46 PM
This might be as bad of an excuse as Dusty Baker saying that the African American players don't like day games
Title: Re: Miller Park Shadows
Post by: Coleman on August 30, 2010, 03:38:01 PM
Is the JS that stupid?

Yes or No what? The choices were real or imagined...

This is probably the worst worded question ever.
Title: Re: Miller Park Shadows
Post by: 77ncaachamps on August 30, 2010, 10:12:52 PM
Quote from: Victor McCormick on August 30, 2010, 03:38:01 PM
Is the JS that stupid?

Yes or No what? The choices were real or imagined...

This is probably the worst worded question ever.

Probably a Badger or UWM "grad."
Title: Re: Miller Park Shadows
Post by: Brewtown Andy on September 01, 2010, 10:47:02 PM
Are we talking about the shadows created by the glasswork just below the roof?
Title: Re: Miller Park Shadows
Post by: Chili on September 01, 2010, 11:34:02 PM
Quote from: Brewtown Andy on September 01, 2010, 10:47:02 PM
Are we talking about the shadows created by the glasswork just below the roof?

no, it is the shadows caused by the roof. for much of the game the batters are in the shadows with the pitcher in the sun. this makes picking up on the rotation of the pitches very difficult and leads to a heavy pitcher advantage.
Title: Re: Miller Park Shadows
Post by: rocky_warrior on September 02, 2010, 06:50:54 PM
Quote from: Chili on September 01, 2010, 11:34:02 PM
this makes picking up on the rotation of the pitches very difficult and leads to a heavy pitcher advantage for both teams.

Just like having a cozy park is a batter advantage.  Since both teams have the same advantage, what is the "issue"?
Title: Re: Miller Park Shadows
Post by: robmufan on September 03, 2010, 10:13:20 AM
So if "shadows" are the reason Braun and Prince can't hit this year...what are they going to propose to do about it?  Eliminate the roof and play baseball as it was intended to be played?
Title: Re: Miller Park Shadows
Post by: jmayer1 on September 03, 2010, 10:44:18 AM
Quote from: rocky_warrior on September 02, 2010, 06:50:54 PM
Just like having a cozy park is a batter advantage.  Since both teams have the same advantage, what is the "issue"?

Not sure if you were talking about Miller Park or just in general, but it is somewhat of a myth that Miller Park is a batter's park.  Compared to other ballparks today (admittedly, most of which are much more hitter friendly than ballparks of the past), but Miller Park has actually been more favorable towards pitchers since it opened.

http://espn.go.com/mlb/stats/parkfactor (http://espn.go.com/mlb/stats/parkfactor)
Title: Re: Miller Park Shadows
Post by: GGGG on September 03, 2010, 10:49:34 AM
Quote from: robmufan on September 03, 2010, 10:13:20 AM
So if "shadows" are the reason Braun and Prince can't hit this year...what are they going to propose to do about it?  Eliminate the roof and play baseball as it was intended to be played?


Braun started real well...and is playing real well of late.  (He's got the BA back up to .300)  His mid-season slump was terrible though.
Title: Re: Miller Park Shadows
Post by: TallTitan34 on September 03, 2010, 12:32:42 PM
Why didn't this issue arise in any of the past 9 seasons Miller Park has been open?
Title: Re: Miller Park Shadows
Post by: LON on September 03, 2010, 12:36:32 PM
Quote from: TallTitan34 on September 03, 2010, 12:32:42 PM
Why didn't this issue arise in any of the past 9 seasons Miller Park has been open?

I'm pretty sure it always has, some players (Corey Hart maybe?) have been more vocal about it in the recent years...
Title: Re: Miller Park Shadows
Post by: jmayer1 on September 03, 2010, 01:20:19 PM
Quote from: TallTitan34 on September 03, 2010, 12:32:42 PM
Why didn't this issue arise in any of the past 9 seasons Miller Park has been open?

It's always been an issue during day games.  Players have been bringing it up since the place opened.

One example:  

http://scores.espn.go.com/mlb/recap?gameId=240516108 (http://scores.espn.go.com/mlb/recap?gameId=240516108)

I was at that game, and on some pitches it seemed like guys (on both sides) didn't even see the ball until it was in the catcher's mitt.

Of course, with the Brewers' horrendous pitching, I would think they should take any advantage they can get, as it obviously affects both teams the same.
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