Article in Bullseye about which schools made the cut for in-home visits for Shaw: West Va., Depaul, Illinois and MU. Article states that Shaw's uncle and older brother are in control. Link:
http://www.ilprepbullseye.com/page54.html
It will probably come down to whether he likes coaches who drink or coaches who pray. I could see Buzz starting out the visit with a prayer, which some people will like and others would run from. Buzz could promise him that the whole team will pray for him after he makes his first basket in practice. ;D
After the prayer, maybe a Jesuit priest could offer some communion wine.
I was amazed at how many top recruits we were in the top 5 last year, and even more impressed this year. Our coaches are earning there paychecks and Shaw would be a huge get, it only takes one and more big men will follow.
it only takes one and more big men will follow.
Sorry, but I've been hearing this refrain for years, over several coaches. IMHO Forget about the next guy who will come, let's get this one.
QuoteSorry, but I've been hearing this refrain for years, over several coaches. IMHO Forget about the next guy who will come, let's get this one.
I'm just stating a hope, can't a guy dream ;D
Dreaming is fine, but it will only take you so far. At some point dreams need to become reality. If not, they become a waste of time.
I just don't get the logic that if one kid signs, a dozen others will suddenly pick Marquette or any other school. It just seems there is a lot more that needs to go into making a program successful than landing one top recruit.
Quote from: Ruby on August 26, 2010, 03:41:54 PM
Dreaming is fine, but it will only take you so far. At some point dreams need to become reality. If not, they become a waste of time.
I just don't get the logic that if one kid signs, a dozen others will suddenly pick Marquette or any other school. It just seems there is a lot more that needs to go into making a program successful than landing one top recruit.
I think the logic goes, other coaches/recruiters/handlers of 6-9+ kids say "You need to go somewhere that turns big men into Pros."
Right now, MU has a respectable stable of guards who have come here, made a significant name for themselves in college and gone on to get paid to play.
Who was the last big man who got significantly better while playing in our program?
I think it is a cyclical thing for easily influenced high schoolers with hoop dreams.
Ten years ago we were not awash in athletic wing players. Today, you can walk through the AL without tripping over a 6-6 slasher.
Back in the glory days, blue chips begat blue chips for Al. Did he have some sort of a saying about George Thompson cutting his driveway and Butch Lee being the guy who paved it? Don't you think all those guys wanted to play Al's street-wise style?
And you don't have to go all the way back to the glory days for examples of big men who came to MU and became players. In the not-so-distant KO era we had Mac, the A-train, Ron Curry, Damon Key and a little bit later Chris Crawford.
So I guess I do believe that one or two solids bigs who come to MU and then actually produce on the court will inspire kids with similar games to think they can do the same.
Quote from: damuts222 on August 26, 2010, 02:51:45 PM
I was amazed at how many top recruits we were in the top 5 last year, and even more impressed this year. Our coaches are earning there paychecks and Shaw would be a huge get, it only takes one and more big men will follow.
That hasn't been a problem for most of the decade....we've been with a lot of top guys, but finished bridesmaids most of the time.
Hopefully he will be the one.
Most of the decade was spent with that former dork of a coach, though.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on August 26, 2010, 07:27:28 PM
Most of the decade was spent with that former dork of a coach, though.
Was he the one sporting a killer tan?
Quote from: 4everwarriors on August 26, 2010, 07:27:28 PM
Most of the decade was spent with that former dork of a coach, though.
True....if we go back further than the last decade we weren't even in the conversation for top players unless the coach was named Al McGuire...sans one year where all the stars lined up and SE Wisconsin produced two top big men.
Quote from: nycwarrior on August 26, 2010, 05:05:06 PM
I think the logic goes, other coaches/recruiters/handlers of 6-9+ kids say "You need to go somewhere that turns big men into Pros."
Right now, MU has a respectable stable of guards who have come here, made a significant name for themselves in college and gone on to get paid to play.
Who was the last big man who got significantly better while playing in our program?
I think it is a cyclical thing for easily influenced high schoolers with hoop dreams.
Ten years ago we were not awash in athletic wing players. Today, you can walk through the AL without tripping over a 6-6 slasher.
Back in the glory days, blue chips begat blue chips for Al. Did he have some sort of a saying about George Thompson cutting his driveway and Butch Lee being the guy who paved it? Don't you think all those guys wanted to play Al's street-wise style?
And you don't have to go all the way back to the glory days for examples of big men who came to MU and became players. In the not-so-distant KO era we had Mac, the A-train, Ron Curry, Damon Key and a little bit later Chris Crawford.
So I guess I do believe that one or two solids bigs who come to MU and then actually produce on the court will inspire kids with similar games to think they can do the same.
The best bigs were in the early 70's - Chones McNeal and Lucas
We did have our share of bigs in the 70's. Chones, Lucas, McNeil, Whitehead, Toone (who played a lot on perimeter), and who can forget Odell Ball?
You forgot Bo Ellis,
Later we also had Mac, Key and some servicable bigs in Copa, and Merritt
Assuming Shaw likes Buzz, I can think of only one reason why he would not choose MU. That would be the fear that he end up playing center vs power forward. Unitl MU establishes that they have capable players at center every power forward candidate is going to avoid going to MU.
Buzz and the coaches haven't had the opportunity to coach a skilled/highly sought after big man yet, somebody that gets after it. From what I hear Shaw is that guy. I don't like to put all our eggs in one basket but getting Shaw to commit to MU would be big in multiple facets...beating out other BE/Midwest teams, getting a highly thought of big man..out of Chicago, not allowing DePaul to get the ball rolling in that program again.
I think we all agree the best bigs (and most everthing else MU hoops related) were in the glory days of the 70s.
We all also agree that we had some very good bigger guys in the early 90s. Likely helped along by (but not limited to) two very good players in Mac and Key from SE Wisco.
The question that vexes this board to the tune of thousands of very dramatic messages is: "What's with all the droughts?"
And, can signing a big man like Shaw, along with developing Davante and Otule, help to make MU a more frequent choice for hoop dreaming bigs?
Quote from: PBRme on August 27, 2010, 08:24:52 AM
You forgot Bo Ellis,
Later we also had Mac, Key and some servicable bigs in Copa, and Merritt
My bad! How could anybody forget Bo Ellis! He definitely was a stud from day 1.
Quote from: damuts222 on August 27, 2010, 08:34:52 AM
Buzz and the coaches haven't had the opportunity to coach a skilled/highly sought after big man yet, somebody that gets after it. From what I hear Shaw is that guy. I don't like to put all our eggs in one basket but getting Shaw to commit to MU would be big in multiple facets...beating out other BE/Midwest teams, getting a highly thought of big man..out of Chicago, not allowing DePaul to get the ball rolling in that program again.
I think losing him to DePaul would be a complete disaster. History shows that when DePaul rises MU falls and vice versa.
Quote from: damuts222 on August 27, 2010, 08:34:52 AM
Buzz and the coaches haven't had the opportunity to coach a skilled/highly sought after big man yet, somebody that gets after it. From what I hear Shaw is that guy.
Shaw is the 66th overall player on Scout. Compare that ranking to bigs from previous classes and you get a handful of names you've never heard of. Not sure why there is so much 'hype' for a player outside the top 50.... At a program that gets bigs regularly, Shaw would be more of an insurance policy....
QuoteShaw is the 66th overall player on Scout. Compare that ranking to bigs from previous classes and you get a handful of names you've never heard of. Not sure why there is so much 'hype' for a player outside the top 50.... At a program that gets bigs regularly, Shaw would be more of an insurance policy....
He's probably top 10 in his position I think, but when it comes to rankings in the top 100/150 look how many guards and shooting forwards there are compared to big men. There are usually a handful of big men in the top 20 and then its a crapshoot. But only so much can be taken from rankings, its not the end all be all as so many people like to believe.
Quote from: goodgreatgrand on August 27, 2010, 09:11:14 AM
Shaw is the 66th overall player on Scout. Compare that ranking to bigs from previous classes and you get a handful of names you've never heard of. Not sure why there is so much 'hype' for a player outside the top 50.... At a program that gets bigs regularly, Shaw would be more of an insurance policy....
Not every program can be Syracuse - that's why. Having said that, Boheim is getting older and older - we saw what happened at Indiana after Bob Knight left. UCLA went down after Wooden left. Marquette went down after McGuire left. Most succession plans following legends don't work out. Enjoy your limited time left with Boheim at the helm. As for Shaw - we'd be estatic to have him at MU.
Quote from: Ners on August 27, 2010, 09:44:42 AM
Not every program can be Syracuse - that's why. Having said that, Boheim is getting older and older - we saw what happened at Indiana after Bob Knight left. UCLA went down after Wooden left. Marquette went down after McGuire left. Most succession plans following legends don't work out. Enjoy your limited time left with Boheim at the helm. As for Shaw - we'd be estatic to have him at MU.
Amusing. Your lack of knowledge about anything BE is on display once again. Mike Hopkins is their current Associate Head Coach; he's had that title for at least 4 years. He has been named the successor and he has brought in virtually every single big name recruit for Boeheim over the past 5-6 years. Former player under Boeheim and likely another 'lifer' head coach for that school. Considering he's the lead recruiter and manages the practices, one could argue that they could be better just as easily as one could argue they will be worse with him as coach.
Quote from: Ners on August 27, 2010, 09:44:42 AM
Not every program can be Syracuse - that's why. Having said that, Boheim is getting older and older - we saw what happened at Indiana after Bob Knight left. UCLA went down after Wooden left. Marquette went down after McGuire left. Most succession plans following legends don't work out. Enjoy your limited time left with Boheim at the helm. As for Shaw - we'd be estatic to have him at MU.
Most interesting will be what happens at UConn after Calhoun is gone. They crumbled in his absence last year and he has been an outstanding recruiter.
Quote from: goodgreatgrand on August 27, 2010, 09:52:39 AM
Amusing. Your lack of knowledge about anything BE is on display once again. Mike Hopkins is their current Associate Head Coach; he's had that title for at least 4 years. He has been named the successor and he has brought in virtually every single big name recruit for Boeheim over the past 5-6 years. Former player under Boeheim and likely another 'lifer' head coach for that school. Considering he's the lead recruiter and manages the practices, one could argue that they could be better just as easily as one could argue they will be worse with him as coach.
Yup, Cuse has done this transition correctly...UConn s#@t the bed as most schools replacing a legend do.
Quote from: goodgreatgrand on August 27, 2010, 09:52:39 AM
Amusing. Your lack of knowledge about anything BE is on display once again. Mike Hopkins is their current Associate Head Coach; he's had that title for at least 4 years. He has been named the successor and he has brought in virtually every single big name recruit for Boeheim over the past 5-6 years. Former player under Boeheim and likely another 'lifer' head coach for that school. Considering he's the lead recruiter and manages the practices, one could argue that they could be better just as easily as one could argue they will be worse with him as coach.
I was fully aware..thanks to you and your many Syracuse posts..what the succession plan is at SU. The point is, not all succession plans work out. We'll see how it plays out. Assuming Lavin gets it going at St. Johns...and from a 2011-2012 perspective - it appears Lavin is in on alot of top talent - the recruiting landscape in New York could change.
I will look forward to busting your balls when Marquette beats Syracuse this year, and next. Of all the fans in the Big East - it has become quite evident the biggest douchebags of the bunch are Syracuse and West Virginia.
Quote from: Ners on August 27, 2010, 10:39:54 AM
Assuming Lavin gets it going at St. Johns...and from a 2011-2012 perspective - it appears Lavin is in on alot of top talent - the recruiting landscape in New York could change.
I cant name a single impactful recruit from NYC that attended Syracuse in the last 5 or so years (not sure about their deep bench players). Rautins and triche are from syracuse.
From a 2011-12 perspective, according to scout, cuse has 3 players comitted already and are done with that class. Not sure where sju comes into play. In 2012, Amile Jefferson and Dejuan Colemen will both end up at cuse. not sure where sju comes into play in that year either. Stick to discussing things you might know a thing or two about.
Quote from: goodgreatgrand on August 27, 2010, 03:52:46 PM
I cant name a single impactful recruit from NYC that attended Syracuse in the last 5 or so years (not sure about their deep bench players). Rautins and triche are from syracuse.
From a 2011-12 perspective, according to scout, cuse has 3 players comitted already and are done with that class. Not sure where sju comes into play. In 2012, Amile Jefferson and Dejuan Colemen will both end up at cuse. not sure where sju comes into play in that year either. Stick to discussing things you might know a thing or two about.
I'd appreciate it if you'd do the same - considering this is a Marquette fan site - you should take your knowledge of all things Syracuse back to the Syracuse board. Clearly you know more about Syracuse than any Marquette fan would know. At least it becomes more and more clear with each of your posts that you are finally coming out of closet..and are simply a die-hard Syracuse fan. Cuse is a good program for sure..but that doesn't change the fact that the landscape of the Cuse program will change as Boheim retires and Lavin gets SJU ramped up and respectable again.
Marquette has had good bigs for 60 years. And will again. Buzz is doing a great job recruiting highly talented athletes. Marquette will be a great team to watch.
Quote from: Ners on August 27, 2010, 04:59:24 PM
I'd appreciate it if you'd do the same - considering this is a Marquette fan site - you should take your knowledge of all things Syracuse back to the Syracuse board. Clearly you know more about Syracuse than any Marquette fan would know. At least it becomes more and more clear with each of your posts that you are finally coming out of closet..and are simply a die-hard Syracuse fan. Cuse is a good program for sure..but that doesn't change the fact that the landscape of the Cuse program will change as Boheim retires and Lavin gets SJU ramped up and respectable again.
I'm not sure what you're so riled up about. You know, sometimes people can attend more than one school in their life. I'm sure a lot of people on this board have other teams that they follow fairly closely. For example, I know a lot of the same things about Michigan State that goodgreatgrand knows about Syracuse. What he knows is just more relevant to MU because Syracuse is a fellow Big East school. I actually appreciate his insight, without him, I wouldn't know much about Syracuse at all.
Quote from: spartan3186 on August 27, 2010, 06:09:34 PM
I'm not sure what you're so riled up about. You know, sometimes people can attend more than one school in their life. I'm sure a lot of people on this board have other teams that they follow fairly closely. For example, I know a lot of the same things about Michigan State that goodgreatgrand knows about Syracuse. What he knows is just more relevant to MU because Syracuse is a fellow Big East school. I actually appreciate his insight, without him, I wouldn't know much about Syracuse at all.
goodgreatgrand simply poses as an MU fan. I have a lot more respect for those who come on the MU board as clear fans of another program - we have visitors here from L'ville and they don't masquarade as MU fans. You, yourself proudly parade your love of for the Spartan's in your name. goodgreatgrand talks about "us," or "we," with regard to MU- yet 90% of his posts pertain to Syracuse's "greatness," and in any comparison in the past between MU and Syracuse - goodgreatgrand always proclaims Syracuse superior.
He's a lot like a former poster on the Journal Sentinel blog by the name of Abe Froman...if that gives you any indication of his M.O.?
ggg is a cuse fan. Abe is an orifice. ggg is not nearly the racist hemmorhoid that sets records for banishment under a myriad of names. The mods have shown they will run guys who post inappropriately. So far, ggg has been critical, but has not been remotely inappropriate. He is not even as bad as the cuse fan who posts on jsonline. It would be funny if he were the same guy, but so far here, he hasn't been nearly as incendiary as the other guy.
Quote from: Ners on August 27, 2010, 06:24:47 PM
goodgreatgrand simply poses as an MU fan. I have a lot more respect for those who come on the MU board as clear fans of another program - we have visitors here from L'ville and they don't masquarade as MU fans. You, yourself proudly parade your love of for the Spartan's in your name. goodgreatgrand talks about "us," or "we," with regard to MU- yet 90% of his posts pertain to Syracuse's "greatness," and in any comparison in the past between MU and Syracuse - goodgreatgrand always proclaims Syracuse superior.
He's a lot like a former poster on the Journal Sentinel blog by the name of Abe Froman...if that gives you any indication of his M.O.?
I guess I understand where you are coming from.
Also, just to make sure there is no misunderstanding, I'm a Marquette fan first and foremost. I've been an Mich St. fan longer, and I've had this "screen name" since I was about 12, but I will ALWAYS put Marquette before Mich. St. In fact, I was at the Marquette vs Mich. St. NCAA tournament game, decked out in gold, supporting the Warriors.
Didn't know anyone still reads the Journal Urinal.
Marqevans - you are right on the early 70s, but whitehead was in the same league and ellis had the best mu career of all if you count tall power forwards as well as centers
Quote from: marquette99 on August 28, 2010, 07:28:11 AM
Marqevans - you are right on the early 70s, but whitehead was in the same league and ellis had the best mu career of all if you count tall power forwards as well as centers
Ellis would have been playing center on the last several MU teams. That is why it is hard to recruit someone who wants to play power forward at MU. The lack of center talent means they will be asked to play out of position.
When Mu has gone deep in the tourney, we have always had talent at center and PF. Shaw fills a great need for MU.