This could almost be a poll question, but oh well. Now that Dawson seems to be off the table. Who do you want. We all know Faust would be nice, but honestly i haven't heard a whole lot about anyone else for us in 2011. I know we only have 3 spots opening up. I am thinking 2 normal recruits and 1 JUCO. I started a thread about Darnell Harris last week, its since come out that he is going prep. So two questions - who do you guys want and who are we gonna get?
In Buzz I trust.....you never know who he's totally on as out the blue (no pun intended) we'll move up with guys we didn't know we had a chance with or will get a commitment out of no where that no one saw coming. However unlike Crean these recruits had offers from other major programs and not just East Carolina and Wichita State with BS innuendos that other programs were about to jump in.
It will be interesting to see who comes to midnight madness as that is usually where we get one our future recruits (be it 2011 or 2012)....however I'd guess we'll have one commitment before then also and possible a spring juco which always seems to work well for us also.
The irony is this team is so deep, young and talented that we don't have any dire needs but would happy to take Faust and a high potential 4 or 5.
We flat out need size. At least 2 if not all 3 need to be PF or C. I would be picky.
http://www.chicagohoops.com/articles1/moussa.html
look like we aren't getting this guy, but TC is in his final five
Hoops, I'm going to have to disagree with you. Next year, we will be returning four guards: DJO, Junior, Vander and Reggie. What worries me is that after DJO leaves, I am not sure where our backcourt shooting comes from.
We'll have Jae, Otule and Gardner on the front line, along with swing players like Wilson, Jones and Williams.
If I were Buzz, I would get a 4/5, a good 2 guard and then hold the final scholie until the spring to see what transpires on the court this year.
Center - With Otule and Gardner, the center position is where Buzz should look to reinforce in 2011.
S/F - Wilson takes over for Butler with Jones and Williams backup. Should be fine there.
P/F - Crowder. Thats if Buzz plays a traditional lineup, which he has not had the players to date. Will need another "bruiser"
If Buzz goes small again, then Blue probably plays the second S/F slot.
S/G - DJO for one last year, then probably Blue. Will need a S/G backup.
P/G - Junior for two more years and if Smith is the real deal, he backs up.
1) Center
2) P/F
3) S/G
With all the youth on this team and the quality of recruits he has brought in, I hope Buzz continues to recruit and sign the best prospects. But, this team, if they can get a quality center, has the possibility of being exceptional in 2011 and I don't see alot of initial playing time for any 2011 recruits. Unless of course there is turnover in the ranks, which has been a regular thing of late.
Wilson is a point guard, that is what he played in the pro-am. ;D
I don't think Buzz, or many college coaches, pay all that much attention to specific positions. If Buzz could draw up his ideal roster, it would probably consist of a couple "bigs", a couple guys who could run the point and everyone else would be an athletic 6'7" swingman.
I see the p/f and s/f positions being similar to the past years. buzz has said multiple times he wants an offense with interchangeable players. crowder, ewill, wilson, jones, gardner(he can shoot, but the D fence is an issue), and vander(obviously playing shooting guard but he can play s/f) are all somewhat interchangeable. We don't really know what our point guard situation is, but i think most people have faith in a top 100 (Junior) and a just out of the top 100 (reggie) recruit. Our centers just won't make it happen as is, and i know every one is saying otule will be good but he will not be good enough. We just don't know enough about otule plus either way we need another 6'10"+ guy that can play. That being said i think if we can get a top 100 true center and a top 100 SG, it doesn't really matter what happens with the third recruit as long as he's the best player we can get.
I think Buzz should be able to get 2 top 100 players, but the center position always seems like its harder than it should be. Don't these centers get that they would get a lot of playing time and turn a good team into a great one?
Quote from: bigdawgdude on August 13, 2010, 08:23:09 AM
Don't these centers get that they would get a lot of playing time and turn a good team into a great one?
Big Dawg, welcome to the board. This question has been asked and answered a million different ways on this board over the last 6-7 years. I am too busy right now to begin to summarize all the theories behind the fact MU has been unable to recruit at least one outstanding "big" since Robert Jackson. Does anyone else want to try?
Quote from: downtown85 on August 13, 2010, 08:45:50 AM
Does anyone else want to try?
Nope. I actually saw the line you quoted and thought, "Oh no, here we go."
Here's a big for Buzz. He's a bit on the young side (14) but is clearly a man-child.
http://www.scoutsfocus.com/dakari.html
Quote from: copious1218 on August 13, 2010, 08:52:08 AM
Nope. I actually saw the line you quoted and thought, "Oh no, here we go."
I'll take this one...
Very simply put, there are far fewer top quality bigs available than there are guards and small forwards.
Everyone on this board would LOVE to land a top 100 center, but so would every other team sanctioned to play D1 ball in the NCAA. The competition for those players is extremely difficult and, compared to other high profile basketball schools, we don't have a "track record" of developing bigs into next level players. Truth be told, Robert Jackson was awesome, but even he didn't make it to the NBA. We haven't placed a big man in the show since Jimmy Mac and Amal McCaskill...so we're fighting an uphill battle in the recruiting process.
All of us would like to think that the idea of playing time in the big east would be enough, but sadly it just isn't that simple...
haha I guess the "big guy" topic has worn out its welcome with muscoopers.....bottom line is Buzz can recruit good players all he wants, but it won't do us any good unless he can coach them. He has some of the best talent in the country and this is the year he has to prove himself to college basketball. He needs to get us past the first round of NCAA and recruit a top 100 center.
He's had 2 top 20 recruiting years and now he needs to show what he can do with them and give us a solid top 25 team.
I see Ice man. Wisconsin gets big guys because there proven, and we get guards because were know for them
Quote from: bigdawgdude on August 13, 2010, 09:31:09 AM
I see Ice man. Wisconsin gets big guys because there proven, and we get guards because were know for them
UW gets big, slow, plodding, fundamentally sound post players because they fit well into Bo's slow, plodding, fundamentally sound system.
MU would much rather have a nimble, athletic, fundamentally sound post players even if that means sacrificing some size. Who would you have rather had a PF: Lazar or Brian Butch?
and all the athletic center and power forwards go to kentucky, texas, baylor, syracuse, duke...the list goes on and on. making it harder for us to get that athletic big we are looking for. I completely understand, but its time for Buzz to put on his big boy pants and grab one soon to prove he has the ability, or else i want another coach who can. simple as that
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on August 13, 2010, 09:36:35 AM
UW gets big, slow, plodding, fundamentally sound post players because they fit well into Bo's slow, plodding, fundamentally sound system.
MU would much rather have a nimble, athletic, fundamentally sound post players even if that means sacrificing some size. Who would you have rather had a PF: Lazar or Brian Butch?
Both.
Quote from: HoopsMalone on August 12, 2010, 10:18:54 PM
We flat out need size. At least 2 if not all 3 need to be PF or C. I would be picky.
The 2011 class isn't deep with quality bigs that are true post players able to play with their backs to the basket and who aren't either committed or already heavily involved (i.e) narrowed lists to the likes of UConn, UNC, Duke etc.
2012 is the first class in a while with real depth at the center position. I'd rather not take a 2011 project if we can focus on and get a 2012 commit for the center position. Use 2011 to strengthen the wings and 2012 for the post.
go the JUCO route and find one that doesn't have gang bang listed under extracurricular activities
Quote from: bigdawgdude on August 13, 2010, 09:42:59 AM
and all the athletic center and power forwards go to kentucky, texas, baylor, syracuse, duke...the list goes on and on. making it harder for us to get that athletic big we are looking for. I completely understand, but its time for Buzz to put on his big boy pants and grab one soon to prove he has the ability, or else i want another coach who can. simple as that
Hey new guy, it is better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.
Quote from: LancesOtherNut on August 13, 2010, 09:43:10 AM
Both.
Against Stanford in the NCAA's the answer would have been easily Butch.
For MU to recruit big centers they have to give up on the idea that every player has to be athletic and interchangable. They need to sign a project center every other year. Even if they only learn to clog up the middle, they can be used when the other team has size that our more athletic team cannot handle. We ned to have a big center like Xavier did. They had a 6'8" player start, but had Love a 7' center who came off the bench and provided quality minutes.
mustache bro, are you saying that buzz is a good coach if he doesn't get big guys? A good coach needs to make a team, and not a bunch of summer league "ballers" that choke under pressure. MU has had final four guard play, but a team is built from the ground up not guards all the way to more guards. Buzz hasn't given his players an ounce of confidence. Example: every NCAA tourney choke he has coached in.
Quote from: bigdawgdude on August 13, 2010, 10:02:42 AM
mustache bro, are you saying that buzz is a good coach if he doesn't get big guys? A good coach needs to make a team, and not a bunch of summer league "ballers" that choke under pressure. MU has had final four guard play, but a team is built from the ground up not guards all the way to more guards. Buzz hasn't given his players an ounce of confidence. Example: every NCAA tourney choke he has coached in.
You think we choked against Washington? Against Mizzou?
Quote from: texaswarrior74 on August 13, 2010, 09:47:44 AM
2012 is the first class in a while with real depth at the center position. I'd rather not take a 2011 project if we can focus on and get a 2012 commit for the center position. Use 2011 to strengthen the wings and 2012 for the post.
Really? The overwhelming majority of bigs are projects. You take whomever you can get. Zoubek was the 38th overall player on Scout. Thabeet was #39. Take a look at their freshman stat lines. Unless you get a top 10, one-and-done type, they will take a few years to develop.
^ I was referring to the type of project MU has taken in the past....a REAL project not #38 or 39.....Mbao type....you know what I mean...and 2012 is loaded with quality bigs.
Quote from: bigdawgdude on August 13, 2010, 08:23:09 AM
Don't these centers get that they would get a lot of playing time and turn a good team into a great one?
No they don't they'd rather go to a school like Syracuse hoping to be the next Derrick Coleman
Quote from: seakm4 on August 16, 2010, 09:46:10 PM
No they don't they'd rather go to a school like Syracuse hoping to be the next Derrick Coleman
As a player, Derrick Coleman did pretty well for himself. If I was a young guy, dreaming of a future in basketball, a career like Coleman's would look pretty good to me.
First pick in the NBA draft coming out of Syracuse, 15 years in the NBA...solid career despite off the court questions and issues.
In fact, I was in Syracuse when MU played Syracuse and Coleman had his numbered retired. I graduated MU just a couple of years before he was drafted, so I remember him playing there. I stood and applauded him as strongly as most Syracuse fans.
Not kidding. Give me a clone of mbao barro and grim and I would be happy with the three scholarships. I am not expecting a top hundred kid but we Project nicely at guard and wing
Quote from: HoopsMalone on August 12, 2010, 10:18:54 PM
We flat out need size. At least 2 if not all 3 need to be PF or C. I would be picky.
So, you want
quality AND
quantity at the hardest positions to find players for. Makes "In Buzz we trust", a serious understatement.
Quote from: LittleMurs on August 20, 2010, 11:41:18 PM
So, you want quality AND quantity at the hardest positions to find players for. Makes "In Buzz we trust", a serious understatement.
No, just quantity of bigs. What I meant by picky is not to sign 3 three guards. Unlike the last few years where Buzz did not have 13 players mostly due to the coaching change, Buzz now has 13 guys who look like they can play. He should recruit need.
Just get two or three guys in the ballpark of Otule, Liam, Mbao, Gardner, Barro, Burke, etc. It would be great to do better, but we need depth up front. Having two Barros, for example, would have made a difference on some of those teams. The scout team in practice would at least look like the other team size wise with added big men projects as well.
all I can say is I have faith in buzz, I mean the guy just delivered Vander Blue and Jamil wilson and has also found two diamonds in the rough in Jimmy Butler and DJO. Needless to say the cat can recruit, now we just need to put the rest together and it's sea shells and balloons!
Quote from: HoopsMalone on August 21, 2010, 09:11:52 AM
Unlike the last few years where Buzz did not have 13 players mostly due to the coaching change, Buzz now has 13 guys who look like they can play. He should recruit need.
How were the injuries to McMorrow, Cadougan, Otule, Mbao and Fulce, plus the transfer of Maymon and Roseboro related to the coaching change?
Quote from: Marquette84 on August 22, 2010, 10:27:21 AM
How were the injuries to McMorrow, Cadougan, Otule, Mbao and Fulce, plus the transfer of Maymon and Roseboro related to the coaching change?
3 things:
1)The original post you quote said "mostly" due to the coaching change - not entirely.
2) In year 1 under Buzz..we all know Taylor and Nick Williams didn't honor their LOI's. Also had the transfer of Christopherson and Mbawke.
3) Congrats on making a reply that was only 2 sentences long, and not multi-quoting/dissecting each sentence of an original poster's reply. Keep up the good work.
Quote from: Ners on August 22, 2010, 11:50:47 AM
3 things:
1)The original post you quote said "mostly" due to the coaching change - not entirely.
2) In year 1 under Buzz..we all know Taylor and Nick Williams didn't honor their LOI's. Also had the transfer of Christopherson and Mbawke.
3) Congrats on making a reply that was only 2 sentences long, and not multi-quoting/dissecting each sentence of an original poster's reply. Keep up the good work.
Yeah. The point is that "Mostly" is wrong.
1. Taylor and Nick Williams didn't cause a short roster because their scholarships were filled almost immediately by Butler & McMorrow.
2. Given that we were over-signed by one at the time of the coaching change, Christopherson's departure didn't leave us short.
3. Mbakwe's departure likely had nothing to do with the coaching change--but even if it did, that's just one player compared with five injuries and two unrelated transfers over the last several years.
someone has a case of the angries. wow.
Quote from: Marquette84 on August 22, 2010, 03:19:17 PM
Yeah. The point is that "Mostly" is wrong.
1. Taylor and Nick Williams didn't cause a short roster because their scholarships were filled almost immediately by Butler & McMorrow.
2. Given that we were over-signed by one at the time of the coaching change, Christopherson's departure didn't leave us short.
3. Mbakwe's departure likely had nothing to do with the coaching change--but even if it did, that's just one player compared with five injuries and two unrelated transfers over the last several years.
So had there been no coaching change Taylor and Williams end up at Marquette and not McMorrow, so there is one player that was on the roster because of the coaching change that was unable to play, and if Crean did not leave Mbakwe would not have left at that time either, so that left Buzz two players short as a result of the coaching change, thus a short roster because of the coaching change.
Quote from: wadesworld on August 22, 2010, 09:06:00 PM
So had there been no coaching change Taylor and Williams end up at Marquette and not McMorrow, so there is one player that was on the roster because of the coaching change that was unable to play, and if Crean did not leave Mbakwe would not have left at that time either, so that left Buzz two players short as a result of the coaching change, thus a short roster because of the coaching change.
I think those two are debatable--it was Buzz's choice to take McMorrow over a player that would be available right away, and Mbakwe didn't leave for five months after the change for reasons that appear to be unrelated to who the MU coach was.
But even if those two WERE a direct result of the coaching change, they still don't come close to refuting the point that our short roster was MOSTLY due to the number of injuries and unrelated transfers.
There are two effects of a short roster. One the number of players that can play in a game and more importantly the number of players that can practice. McMorrow could not play in games and that was known by Buzz when he signed him. He was needed for practice. However, both McMorrow and Otule broke their foot. Fulce ended up with a split knee and Mbakwe bolts before the start of the season. Result was that we at one point were down 4 players for practice. Same problem last year. Maymon and Roseborro jump ship and Cadougan, Otule and Mbao get injured severly limited the amount of practice players. At least his year barring a significant number of injuries we will have enough players to practice.
The coaching change hurt hurt because it left MU with no depth. Buzz walked into a relatively good situation with 4 good experienced players, a solid option inside in Burke, a nice backup PG in Acker, and Buzz recruited Jimmy who was able to contribute immediately. It hurt us that season because the big 4 had to average about 38 mins/game. Foul trouble (particularly to Lazar at times) hurt. Also, more minutes means more chance of injury and that was the most unfortunate thing. Taylor could have spelled the guards a lot more than just having Acker and Coobs at times did. The Amigos as seniors and Taylor and Williams as freshman was an ideal setup for a transition at MU. The coaching change brought adversity there fore sure.
Then, the coaching change really hurt last year as we lost 4 starters to graduation and the roster was cleared of all but 3 Crean era players in one year after Crean left. Very little off the bench, players had to play out of position, and Buzz unfortunately had injury and transfer problems.
This lead to Buzz having to recruit a high quantity of players. Getting 5-7 guys committed is a tough task. Buzz has admittedly been a bull in a china shop at times when trying to fill that 6th or 7th spot of the recruiting class. He is a first time coach and getting that many players would be hard to do perfectly. But, now that Buzz can go into summers only needing 3 or 4 recruits, it gets easier. He is more experienced/polished hopefully and he is not in as tough of a situation.
So yea, I think the coaching change brought recruiting adversity.
The players made it easier, though. I really appreciate the way guys like Wes, Jimmy, and Lazar played big (and it hasn't hurt their wallets...) and a guy like Junior came back earlier than he maybe should have to make up for lack of depth at positions. I also really appreciate that Acker came back and Cubillan stuck it out. It would have been easy for these guys to transfer or quit when Buzz came. We are lucky to have a lot of players with character like these guys.
Quote from: HoopsMalone on August 23, 2010, 12:47:34 PM
The coaching change hurt hurt because it left MU with no depth. Buzz walked into a relatively good situation with 4 good experienced players, a solid option inside in Burke, a nice backup PG in Acker, and Buzz recruited Jimmy who was able to contribute immediately. It hurt us that season because the big 4 had to average about 38 mins/game. Foul trouble (particularly to Lazar at times) hurt. Also, more minutes means more chance of injury and that was the most unfortunate thing. Taylor could have spelled the guards a lot more than just having Acker and Coobs at times did. The Amigos as seniors and Taylor and Williams as freshman was an ideal setup for a transition at MU. The coaching change brought adversity there fore sure.
Then, the coaching change really hurt last year as we lost 4 starters to graduation and the roster was cleared of all but 3 Crean era players in one year after Crean left. Very little off the bench, players had to play out of position, and Buzz unfortunately had injury and transfer problems.
This lead to Buzz having to recruit a high quantity of players. Getting 5-7 guys committed is a tough task. Buzz has admittedly been a bull in a china shop at times when trying to fill that 6th or 7th spot of the recruiting class. He is a first time coach and getting that many players would be hard to do perfectly. But, now that Buzz can go into summers only needing 3 or 4 recruits, it gets easier. He is more experienced/polished hopefully and he is not in as tough of a situation.
So yea, I think the coaching change brought recruiting adversity.
The players made it easier, though. I really appreciate the way guys like Wes, Jimmy, and Lazar played big (and it hasn't hurt their wallets...) and a guy like Junior came back earlier than he maybe should have to make up for lack of depth at positions. I also really appreciate that Acker came back and Cubillan stuck it out. It would have been easy for these guys to transfer or quit when Buzz came. We are lucky to have a lot of players with character like these guys.
Three issues to address:
1. You changed the subject. Your initial claim was that we didn't have enough players mostly because of the coaching change. You're now saying it was difficult to fill all those spots.
Maybe it was difficult, maybe it wasn't--nonetheless Buzz WAS able to recruit to fill those spots. We weren't short because the coaching change left us shorthanded, as was implied in your initial argument.
2. Your premise that it is tough to get 5-7 guys committed is laughable in light of the back-to-back top 20 recruiting classes!
When Buzz had 7 spots to fill, he didn't have any problem at all landing a class that included two first team Juco all-Americans and three top 100 HS players.
I think your argument is false in general--when Crean had a large class to fill, he was able to land the Amigos, plus a JUCO AA, plus another role player. When O'Neill had a large class to fill, he landed McIlvaine, Key, Logtermann and Brakes.
It appears that having a lot of scholarships to give makes for stronger recruiting--not weaker. Better recruits see plenty of playing time. Coaches don't have have to choose between a PG they need or a higher rated PF--they can take both. Busts are overshadowed by the players that perform well.
3. Your post had several factual errors:
--Big 4 averaged 38 mpg: False. McNeal was tops on the team (7th in the league) with 36 mpg. James only averaged 31 mpg.
--Only Three players returning? Nope. Fulce and Otule were signed prior to Buzz becoming coach. That's five. Plus we had signed Butler the year before. While you seem to think its a big deal that Buzz signed him and not Crean, he's still a returning player with experience.
--More minutes mean more injury? Again, not consistent with fact.
James' mpg was lower than McNeal, Matthews and Hayward--yet he was one out of those four who was injured. Otule last year played token minutes in three games before he was injured. Mbao played in even fewer. Cadougan none at all before his injury.
We have seen most of our injuries in practice--and that extends over a long time. Given that practice includes all players equally, the average MPG would not be an indicator of the likelihood of injury.
Quote from: Marquette84 on August 24, 2010, 08:57:42 AM
Three issues to address:
1. You changed the subject. Your initial claim was that we didn't have enough players mostly because of the coaching change. You're now saying it was difficult to fill all those spots.
Maybe it was difficult, maybe it wasn't--nonetheless Buzz WAS able to recruit to fill those spots. We weren't short because the coaching change left us shorthanded, as was implied in your initial argument.
2. Your premise that it is tough to get 5-7 guys committed is laughable in light of the back-to-back top 20 recruiting classes!
When Buzz had 7 spots to fill, he didn't have any problem at all landing a class that included two first team Juco all-Americans and three top 100 HS players.
I think your argument is false in general--when Crean had a large class to fill, he was able to land the Amigos, plus a JUCO AA, plus another role player. When O'Neill had a large class to fill, he landed McIlvaine, Key, Logtermann and Brakes.
It appears that having a lot of scholarships to give makes for stronger recruiting--not weaker. Better recruits see plenty of playing time. Coaches don't have have to choose between a PG they need or a higher rated PF--they can take both. Busts are overshadowed by the players that perform well.
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3. Your post had several factual errors:
--Big 4 averaged 38 mpg: False. McNeal was tops on the team (7th in the league) with 36 mpg. James only averaged 31 mpg.
--Only Three players returning? Nope. Fulce and Otule were signed prior to Buzz becoming coach. That's five. Plus we had signed Butler the year before. While you seem to think its a big deal that Buzz signed him and not Crean, he's still a returning player with experience.
--More minutes mean more injury? Again, not consistent with fact.
James' mpg was lower than McNeal, Matthews and Hayward--yet he was one out of those four who was injured. Otule last year played token minutes in three games before he was injured. Mbao played in even fewer. Cadougan none at all before his injury.
We have seen most of our injuries in practice--and that extends over a long time. Given that practice includes all players equally, the average MPG would not be an indicator of the likelihood of injury.
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I mean, I really have no idea what you are getting at? Are you just trying to say "gotcha" or something, but this is pretty nitpicky.
I guess I will respond to each number because I have a second.
1- I have no idea what you are saying in this and it just seems like you are completely reaching just to be disagreeable. Crean left 7 players total to a coach without experience and no depth inside.
2- Buzz was able to physically find players but there were not many there. He had a 6 man rotation basically for 2 years. He found the warm bodies of Mbao, Roseboro, Maymon, etc. but was really reaching to fill a big recruiting class due to the high turnover during the coaching change.
And then you restated exactly what i thought I said? Buzz was able to find players to fill the usual three or four spots (and then you cited when previous coaches were also able to find 3 or 4 good players in a class) and then struggled to find the last few. It was a tough spot for him and he has made some mistakes with guys like Roseboro and Newbill unfortunately. I am going to be patient as a fan for the first time coach, but it doesn't make it right for them.
3- I did not look up the Amigos mpg but just do not remember them coming out of the game by the end of the year. More minutes usually do make one more likely to injury. Practice is usually more aroebic than physical and in the game you get pushed around a lot more. The physical contact really tires you out. A 20 year old running up and down the court for a few hours is not as tiring as the game. So, I am pretty sure in general that the more fatigued one is, the more likely one is to get an injury because the body is a little more prone to it when fatigued than not. But maybe you looked that up.
And there is not necessarily a linear relationship between minutes played and injury, meaning that if DJ player 15 mins and got injured and McNeal player 17 minutes he MUST have been injured. I have no idea if that is what you were saying. I won't assign you logical flaws like you do, but that really isn't true... Injuries can happen walking down the street or rolling out of bed, but fatigue is a factor. You can't look at something I said where the gist was that fatigue is a factor in injuries and then say that player X played more minutes than player Y and player X did not have a major injury and make the original premise wrong.
It seems logical that the more minutes you play the more likely you are going to be injured. More opportunity for injury and more tired body parts. However, what might some what offset this is that I pretty sure that a player that is playing 36 minutes a game is stronger and better conditioned than someone who gets only 5 minutes a game. A weak player will never be able to play 36 minutes a game without being injured.
Quote from: HoopsMalone on August 24, 2010, 09:40:02 AM
I mean, I really have no idea what you are getting at? Are you just trying to say "gotcha" or something, but this is pretty nitpicky.
I guess I will respond to each number because I have a second.
1- I have no idea what you are saying in this and it just seems like you are completely reaching just to be disagreeable. Crean left 7 players total to a coach without experience and no depth inside.
There are a lot of people who have the mistaken impression that Buzz inherited a depleted roster.
The fact is, mainly because of his skills as a great recruiter, he actually filled all those spots, and his recruiting record speaks for itself.
The notion that you think he scraped the bottom of the barrel to come up with Butler simply because he needed a warm body, then "struggled" to find McMorrow says a lot about your opinion of Buzz's recruiting.
He played short because of injuries and unrelated transfers.
Quote from: bilsu on August 24, 2010, 12:45:10 PM
It seems logical that the more minutes you play the more likely you are going to be injured. More opportunity for injury and more tired body parts. However, what might some what offset this is that I pretty sure that a player that is playing 36 minutes a game is stronger and better conditioned than someone who gets only 5 minutes a game. A weak player will never be able to play 36 minutes a game without being injured.
Everything I've heard of both Crean and Buzz suggests to me that games are a cakewalk compared to the intensity of practice. I don't think I've seen anything like "boot camp" in a real game.
But even if practice is only equally as intense as games, comparing 2 hours of practice a day to 30 to 35 minutes of game play once or twice a week, it stands to reason that there will be more injuries in practice. And everyone practices.
And that seems to be borne out by reality--more of our injuries have occurred in practice compared to games.