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Title: Favre retiring?
Post by: SaintPaulWarrior on August 03, 2010, 10:25:59 AM
Brett Favre told Minnesota Vikings officials on Monday night that he will not play in the 2010 season, the Minneapolis Star-Tribune and Fox Sports reported.

Favre, 40, who has consistently said throughout the offseason that he was unsure if he'd play this season, is expected to make a public statement later today, the paper said.

The Vikings have not commented on Favre's status on Tuesday. Fox Sports reported that the Vikings hope Favre will change his mind. ESPN reported that Favre has been sending text messages to teammates in the past day.

Favre's agent, Bus Cook, did not respond to a message seeking comment from USA TODAY.

Favre had surgery on his left ankle in May, and he told USA TODAY last month that he just couldn't decide if his body would hold up to the stress of a 20th NFL season.

But Favre has been through this before. In 2008, he retired from the Green Bay Packers in March only to return in July and be traded to the New York Jets.

He then retired in early 2009, only to make a comeback for last season. He initially told the Vikings in late July 2009 that he would remain retired, but changed his mind by mid-August.

Vikings coach Brad Childress has said he's content to wait as long as possible for Favre, and believes he only needs 2-3 weeks of preparation for the season.

If Favre doesn't return, the Vikings will have to choose from between Tarvaris Jackson and Sage Rosenfels for their starting QB. Neither has had consistent success as a starter in the NFL, and either would likely weaken the Vikings, who lost to the Saints in the NFC title game last year.

"It'll take a real bite out of the Minnesota Vikings' attack," ESPN analyst Jon Gruden said Tuesday on SportsCenter.

"It'll be a setback, no question."

-- Sean Leahy USA Today
Title: Re: Favre retiring?
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Title: Re: Favre retiring?
Post by: MerrittsMustache on August 03, 2010, 10:35:09 AM
Yawn. It's not news until the season is under way and Favre is sitting at home drinking beer and hunting varmint.
Title: Re: Favre retiring?
Post by: SaintPaulWarrior on August 03, 2010, 10:36:18 AM
Yawn. It's not news until the season is under way and Favre is sitting at home drinking beer and hunting varmint.


That is the reason for the question mark.
Title: Re: Favre retiring?
Post by: MerrittsMustache on August 03, 2010, 10:40:14 AM
That is the reason for the question mark.

Sorry. I was addressing the writer of the article (and the media members who will fly off the handle), not the poster of the article.
Title: Re: Favre retiring?
Post by: SaintPaulWarrior on August 03, 2010, 10:44:20 AM
Sorry. I was addressing the writer of the article (and the media members who will fly off the handle), not the poster of the article.


No need to be sorry....question mark was more for the wishy washy QB.  Here is another article, local one.

http://www.startribune.com/sports/vikings/99841644.html?elr=KArksLckD8EQDUoaEyqyP4O:DW3ckUiD3aPc:_Yyc:aU1yDEmP:QMDCinchO7DU
Title: Re: Favre retiring?
Post by: 4everwarriors on August 03, 2010, 11:36:04 AM
Would you retire if some team wants to throw 12 million at you. He'll be back by week 4.
Title: Re: Favre retiring?
Post by: GB Warrior on August 03, 2010, 11:56:17 AM
For Favre, like Newbill, it's official when the paperwork is in.
Title: Re: Favre retiring?
Post by: MUEng92 on August 03, 2010, 12:02:43 PM
Only this man can retire twice (so far) and yet have a consecutive games played streak intact.

Title: Re: Favre retiring?
Post by: Jay Bee on August 03, 2010, 12:03:25 PM
Time to make a little girl cry.....

"When my daughter cries it soften me up, and she said I wanted you to win one more superbowl," said Favre during a 5:30 p.m. press conference announcing his signing."

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The only positive that would come from the guy retiring is that it'll make the three-peat that much more sweet.  Plus, I'm a little sick of every single person in the world calling us the Consensus year in and year out... this may drop us into the 'they are an incredible team, they have a good shot.. but they are not the clear favorite as they were last year' category.  
Title: Re: Favre retiring?
Post by: willie warrior on August 03, 2010, 12:13:32 PM
Who cares? The guy is a prima donna drama queen!!!
Title: Re: Favre retiring?
Post by: GOMU1104 on August 03, 2010, 12:16:52 PM

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The only positive that would come from the guy retiring is that it'll make the three-peat that much more sweet.  Plus, I'm a little sick of every single person in the world calling us the Consensus year in and year out... this may drop us into the 'they are an incredible team, they have a good shot.. but they are not the clear favorite as they were last year' category.  


What has any of that gotten your sorry franchise?
Title: Re: Favre retiring?
Post by: wadesworld on August 03, 2010, 12:33:29 PM
Time to make a little girl cry.....

"When my daughter cries it soften me up, and she said I wanted you to win one more superbowl," said Favre during a 5:30 p.m. press conference announcing his signing."

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The only positive that would come from the guy retiring is that it'll make the three-peat that much more sweet.  Plus, I'm a little sick of every single person in the world calling us the Consensus year in and year out... this may drop us into the 'they are an incredible team, they have a good shot.. but they are not the clear favorite as they were last year' category.  


WELCOME BACK JAYBEE!  You were missed!  Sincerely!  Another good thing about his retirement for you Vikings fans is that your offense now won't end the season with an interception, as Favre's offense did for the past 3 years, all 3 times knocking his team out of the playoffs/playoff contention.

Brad Childress is crying for Brent to come back.  He will be back.  What's your guess on the date that he will be back with the Queens, Jay?
Title: Re: Favre retiring?
Post by: NavinRJohnson on August 03, 2010, 12:35:18 PM
He doesn't want to put in the time in at training camp, or face his critics when the Vikings play the Saints in the Superdome in Week 1. Don't worry. He'll show up just in time to be ready to play against the Dolphins in Week 2.


None of it matters. They aren't going to win anything with or without him.
Title: Re: Favre retiring?
Post by: LON on August 03, 2010, 12:40:06 PM
Time to make a little girl cry.....

"When my daughter cries it soften me up, and she said I wanted you to win one more superbowl," said Favre during a 5:30 p.m. press conference announcing his signing."

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The only positive that would come from the guy retiring is that it'll make the three-peat that much more sweet.  Plus, I'm a little sick of every single person in the world calling us the Consensus year in and year out... this may drop us into the 'they are an incredible team, they have a good shot.. but they are not the clear favorite as they were last year' category.  


You can have that and with another $82 you can take a Greyhound to Green Bay to see what a Lombardi trophy looks like...
Title: Re: Favre retiring?
Post by: wadesworld on August 03, 2010, 01:07:29 PM
You can have that and with another $82 you can take a Greyhound to Green Bay to see what a Lombardi trophy looks like...

HAHA!

Also, I would like to add my sincere thanks to Brent Favre.  Not only did he just tease the Viqueens fans last year and end their season for them SO CLOSE TO THAT FIRST LOMARDI TROPHY, but he also gave the Viqueens 6 more years of CHILLI!
Title: Re: Favre retiring?
Post by: DJO's Pump Fake on August 03, 2010, 01:21:38 PM
The stupidity in Vikings organization just continues to make me laugh
Title: Re: Favre retiring?
Post by: MUfan12 on August 03, 2010, 01:24:43 PM
You can have that and with another $82 you can take a Greyhound to Green Bay to see what a Lombardi trophy looks like...

Game over. Masterfully done.
Title: Re: Favre retiring?
Post by: Josey Wales on August 03, 2010, 02:09:21 PM
banking entire season on a 40 year old QB.... check

failing to acquire one of the the decent FA QB's (mcnabb/cambell).... check

failing to draft a QB of the future in the recent draft.... check

end of the viqueens little "dynasty" (as i've literally heard viking fans call the last two years)... priceless!
Title: Re: Favre retiring?
Post by: mu_hilltopper on August 03, 2010, 02:18:33 PM
As a Minnesotan, I will tell you that even with the loss of Favre, the Vikings will be fine.

And by fine, I mean we'll win a bunch of games and lose in the playoffs, like we've done the last 27 years.
Title: Re: Favre retiring?
Post by: wadesworld on August 03, 2010, 03:07:32 PM
As a Minnesotan, I will tell you that even with the loss of Favre, the Vikings will be fine.

And by fine, I mean we'll win a bunch of games and lose in the playoffs, like we've done the last 27 years.

I can agree with that.  Although I think they'll win 9 games and just miss this year.
Title: Re: Favre retiring?
Post by: WellsstreetWanderer on August 03, 2010, 09:13:16 PM
What? Again!!!?
Title: Re: Favre retiring?
Post by: Spotcheck Billy on August 04, 2010, 08:22:29 AM
As a Minnesotan, I will tell you that even with the loss of Favre, the Vikings will be fine.

And by fine, I mean we'll win a bunch of games and lose in the playoffs, like we've done the last 27 years.

but without Brent a stadium deal is still going to be hard to come by although since there wasn't one after last season another year with BF might not help either
Title: Re: Favre retiring?
Post by: ATWizJr on August 04, 2010, 08:28:27 AM
He'll be back.  It's about money in an uncapped year.
Title: Re: Favre retiring?
Post by: The Lens on August 04, 2010, 08:34:51 AM
As a Minnesotan, I will tell you that even with the loss of Favre, the Vikings will be fine.

And by fine, I mean we'll win a bunch of games and lose in the playoffs, like we've done the last 27 years.

They certainly still have a very good team but unlike in 2008, so do the Packers. In general the division has gotten better.  Detroit won't go 0-16.  The Bears look like an 8-8, 9-7 team.  There are no cake walks. 

The Vikings matching their 10 wins from '08 may be impossible just based on new competition.
Title: Re: Favre retiring?
Post by: 4everwarriors on August 04, 2010, 08:36:43 AM
For something north of $1 mil./game, I think he can be enticed to dance around the backfield and not take too many hits.
Title: Re: Favre retiring?
Post by: damuts222 on August 04, 2010, 08:39:01 AM
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They certainly still have a very good team but unlike in 2008, so do the Packers. In general the division has gotten better.  Detroit won't go 0-16.  The Bears look like an 8-8, 9-7 team.  There are no cake walks. 

The Vikings matching their 10 wins from '08 may be impossible just based on new competition.

 Agree with this entirely. As a Bears fan I believe this puts the Pack as the favorite to win the division, and I expect Detroit to surprise some teams this year. Detroit is probably a 6 or 7 win team this year.
Title: Re: Favre retiring?
Post by: reinko on August 04, 2010, 08:59:20 AM
Deadspin is asking us to be patient....

http://deadspin.com/5603792/hilariously-gross-brett-favre-news-to-surface-soon

 ;D

Title: Re: Favre retiring?
Post by: LAMUfan on August 04, 2010, 09:52:59 AM
anything involving sex and water prof shoes is going to be creepy
Title: Re: Favre retiring?
Post by: reinko on August 04, 2010, 09:57:49 AM
anything involving sex and water prof shoes is going to be creepy

Croc -> another term for gator -> Florida Gators -> Erin Andrews -> Favre & Erin kissing in a tree, k-i-s-s-i-n-g
Title: Re: Favre retiring?
Post by: Ari Gold on August 04, 2010, 10:14:55 AM
Deadspin is asking us to be patient....

http://deadspin.com/5603792/hilariously-gross-brett-favre-news-to-surface-soon

 ;D



http://deadspin.com/5603701/brett-favre-once-sent-me-cock-shots-not-a-love-story

No need to be patient any longer
Title: Re: Favre retiring?
Post by: LON on August 04, 2010, 11:04:51 AM
http://deadspin.com/5603701/brett-favre-once-sent-me-cock-shots-not-a-love-story

No need to be patient any longer

If that story came from anyone besides Jenn Sterger I could believe it.

Title: Re: Favre retiring?
Post by: MU B2002 on August 04, 2010, 11:28:05 AM
Favre won't even admit he sent the texts now, so who knows what the hell is going on.

I will believe he is retired when I see TJack take the final step from center in week 17 and good ole #4 hasn't come running out of the tunnel yet.
Title: Re: Favre retiring?
Post by: Jay Bee on August 04, 2010, 01:29:51 PM
Time to make a little girl cry.....

  I meant make HIS little girl cry, not all of YOU little girls. 

http://www.startribune.com/local/99946539.html?elr=KArksLckD8EQDUoaEyqyP4O:DW3ckUiD3aPc:_Yyc:aUUsZ (http://www.startribune.com/local/99946539.html?elr=KArksLckD8EQDUoaEyqyP4O:DW3ckUiD3aPc:_Yyc:aUUsZ)

Our guy says he hasn't decided - if the ankle is good, he'll play.  SKOL VIKINGS!!!  If Zigi needs some extra money to pay the man, I'll chip in a few bucks - L**d knows I made a few off you guys last season.

Title: Re: Favre retiring?
Post by: NavinRJohnson on August 04, 2010, 01:41:56 PM
What a surprise. As I said, he'll be back, likley not until the Dolphins game. But with this latest charade, just like last year, he has put his ready made excuse in place if he has bad year.
Title: Re: Favre retiring?
Post by: Jay Bee on August 04, 2010, 02:12:56 PM
What a surprise. As I said, he'll be back, likley not until the Dolphins game. But with this latest charade, just like last year, he has put his ready made excuse in place if he has bad year.

Oh yeah.. the old, "I'm almost 41 and have been playing in the NFL for about 20 years and have had multiple surgeries, including a third on my ankle a few months ago" excuse.  I bet he had Dr. Andrews operate this offseason just to setup his excuse.

When it comes to excuses, it's the 'former fans' of his that have the them all lined up. 

If Minnesota wasn't so damn good he would hang 'em up with no second thoughts.  But we are that great that we make 40-year old injury-riddled men (and women of all ages) want to play with us
Title: Re: Favre retiring?
Post by: NavinRJohnson on August 04, 2010, 02:24:10 PM
Oh yeah.. the old, "I'm almost 41 and have been playing in the NFL for about 20 years and have had multiple surgeries, including a third on my ankle a few months ago" excuse.  

Exactly. If he comes back and stinks, everyone would understand why, which is why this BS dance he does is so stupid.

If that isn't what it is in you odd little football world, then what exactly was his motivation for yesterday's little show and today's 'correction.' (and yes, it was orchestrated by him, as any 'news' related to his retirement/unretirement is)? Obviously he has no interest in going to training camp, but again, he can just sit out and keep his mouth shut...no reason for these charades, unless he has other motives. Hmmmm.
Title: Re: Favre retiring?
Post by: GGGG on August 04, 2010, 02:54:49 PM

Our guy says he hasn't decided - if the ankle is good, he'll play. 


I'm not exactly sure why this is news.  My assumption was that he was going to play unless he was too injured to do so.
Title: Re: Favre retiring?
Post by: NavinRJohnson on August 04, 2010, 02:57:01 PM

I'm not exactly sure why this is news.  My assumption was that he was going to play unless he was too injured to do so.

You don't understand...he was just clearing up the retirement rumors from yesterday...that he started.
Title: Re: Favre retiring?
Post by: Spotcheck Billy on August 04, 2010, 02:59:12 PM
probably not true but...

http://deadspin.com/5603701/brett-favre-once-sent-me-cock-shots-not-a-love-story
Title: Re: Favre retiring?
Post by: SaintPaulWarrior on August 04, 2010, 03:39:25 PM
Nick Barnett's thoughts and comparisons.....

Barnett added (via the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel): "We were going to do the same thing without him coming back or not. But do I believe it? I don't even know if I care enough to believe it or not to be honest. It's his career, he's got to do what he's got to do. But it doesn't change nothing for us. We're going to have the same goal whether it's Tarvaris, Jeffrey Dahmer or Norman Bates quarterbacking. We're still trying to do the same thing."
Title: Re: Favre retiring?
Post by: MU B2002 on August 04, 2010, 03:44:53 PM
Nick Barnett's thoughts and comparisons.....

Barnett added (via the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel): "We were going to do the same thing without him coming back or not. But do I believe it? I don't even know if I care enough to believe it or not to be honest. It's his career, he's got to do what he's got to do. But it doesn't change nothing for us. We're going to have the same goal whether it's Tarvaris, Jeffrey Dahmer or Norman Bates quarterbacking. We're still trying to do the same thing."


I don't think that is a fair comparison to Dahmer or Bates.  They have accomplished a lot more than TJax.

Title: Re: Favre retiring?
Post by: Canned Goods n Ammo on August 04, 2010, 04:36:34 PM
This off the field business is 50% Favre's fault and 50% media.

Let's face it, this wouldn't be so sickening if ESPN and it's various outlets didn't pound it into the ground.

Brett should also be more pro-active about his communication. If he said all off-season that he's going to "see how the ankle is in the fall", I think that could prevent the nonsense... and I don't think it's unreasonable for a 40 year old HOF QB to take a wait and see approach with his ankle. He earned that right by the career he has had, especially with the season he had last year.

Again, 50/50. He needs to communicate more clearly, and everybody needs to get off of the hype machine.
Title: Re: Favre retiring?
Post by: NavinRJohnson on August 04, 2010, 04:54:16 PM
He needs to communicate more clearly, and everybody needs to get off of the hype machine.

I don't think he could possibly put more thought into what he communicates, when, and how. He feeds the hype machine exactly what he wants to, and there is intent behind every aspect of it.
Title: Re: Favre retiring?
Post by: Canned Goods n Ammo on August 04, 2010, 06:43:41 PM
I don't think he could possibly put more thought into what he communicates, when, and how. He feeds the hype machine exactly what he wants to, and there is intent behind every aspect of it.

We'll agree to disagree.



Title: Re: Favre retiring?
Post by: Ari Gold on August 04, 2010, 09:01:58 PM
Nick Barnett's thoughts and comparisons.....

Barnett added (via the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel): "We were going to do the same thing without him coming back or not. But do I believe it? I don't even know if I care enough to believe it or not to be honest. It's his career, he's got to do what he's got to do. But it doesn't change nothing for us. We're going to have the same goal whether it's Tarvaris, Jeffrey Dahmer or Norman Bates quarterbacking. We're still trying to do the same thing."


I think Sadam Hussien was in there too.
Title: Re: Favre retiring?
Post by: ATWizJr on August 05, 2010, 05:54:09 AM
This off the field business is 50% Favre's fault and 50% media.

Let's face it, this wouldn't be so sickening if ESPN and it's various outlets didn't pound it into the ground.

Brett should also be more pro-active about his communication. If he said all off-season that he's going to "see how the ankle is in the fall", I think that could prevent the nonsense... and I don't think it's unreasonable for a 40 year old HOF QB to take a wait and see approach with his ankle. He earned that right by the career he has had, especially with the season he had last year.

Again, 50/50. He needs to communicate more clearly, and everybody needs to get off of the hype machine.

Agreed.  Espn has got to stop texting his teammates and telling them that he is retiring. It's the media's fault.
Title: Re: Favre retiring?
Post by: Canned Goods n Ammo on August 05, 2010, 06:57:57 AM
Agreed.  Espn has got to stop texting his teammates and telling them that he is retiring. It's the media's fault.

Well, here's my problem with it:

Before anybody could fact check, cross check, or even just contact favre, they ran the story that he was retiring. It's a race to get the "scoop", not a race to present a solid story.

They ran BF stuff ALL DAY on Tuesday when there were contradictory reports. God forbid a news outlet actually do some reporting and talk to Brett before they run 24 hours of coverage.

Could they run a small blurb about it? Sure. Should they run 24 hours of coverage before anybody actually talks to Brett? Probably not.

50/50. Favre is a diva with a huge ego. ESPN (and other similar outlets) have turned into "infotainment" because they need "stories" for all of their programing.
Title: Re: Favre retiring?
Post by: ATWizJr on August 05, 2010, 07:56:58 AM
Well, here's my problem with it:

Before anybody could fact check, cross check, or even just contact favre, they ran the story that he was retiring. It's a race to get the "scoop", not a race to present a solid story.

They ran BF stuff ALL DAY on Tuesday when there were contradictory reports. God forbid a news outlet actually do some reporting and talk to Brett before they run 24 hours of coverage.

Could they run a small blurb about it? Sure. Should they run 24 hours of coverage before anybody actually talks to Brett? Probably not.
RESPONSE-
How do you know that it wasn't fact checked?  All these media outlets ran this story w/o checking to see if the texts in question were received? Doubtful.

On the contrary, I'd bet that before the star tribune ran the story they had talked with text recipients.  I think it's clear that BF sent "retirement" texts and now is backtracking.  In a less PC environment we'd call that lying.  What's that?  You say BF may have sent them, but they were ambiguous?  Against whom should ambiguities be construed?  I'd say, against the person who had every chance to be sure there were no ambiguities.  That would be Brett Farce!
Title: Re: Favre retiring?
Post by: MU B2002 on August 05, 2010, 07:59:16 AM
Agreed.  Espn has got to stop texting his teammates and telling them that he is retiring. It's the media's fault.


The text to Shiancoe(sic) was sent almost a month ago.  And stated that his ankle wasn't doing so well.
Title: Re: Favre retiring?
Post by: ATWizJr on August 05, 2010, 08:38:24 AM

The text to Shiancoe(sic) was sent almost a month ago.  And stated that his ankle wasn't doing so well.

a month old text is not what set off this latest and, pathetically, annual firestorm.
Title: Re: Favre retiring?
Post by: Canned Goods n Ammo on August 05, 2010, 08:56:39 AM



I don't really have a problem with the star trib's article. They worked their sources and wrote the article. Fine. They didn't do a full special section in the paper reflecting on Favre's career which is essentially what ESPN ran with for 2 days.

ESPN held the retirement eulogy for BF all day long before anybody actually confirmed anything.

Ryan Longwell said he talks to Brett everyday. He said he hadn't heard anything about retirement. Conflict #1.

Childress said he hadn't heard from Favre. Conflict #2.

Ed Werder reports that Favre isn't retiring and that he'll play if the ankle is healthy. Conflict #3.

ESPN was so fast to run the retirement angle that they didn't bother to do any reporting until the following day (werder). Now their own guy has conflicting information.

Listen, I think Favre is an A-hole, a liar and a diva. No doubt. I'm not trying to apologize for the guy. Feel free to hate him.

But, ESPN and other outlets are really compounding this "problem" by reporting and speculating on everything before they actually have a story to run.

If ESPN put a small mention in sportscenter about the Trib article, let the story develop for 24 hours, then had the werder report, it would have been a nice piece of reporting. Instead, we were subjected to Favre-a-thon for 2 days, which really wasn't needed.
Title: Re: Favre retiring?
Post by: ATWizJr on August 05, 2010, 09:09:16 AM
If you don't have a problem with the strib's article, why would you have a problem with espn pretty much repeating the contents of the strib's article?

What do you expect Longwell, Childress and other teammates to say?  They are not going to cause any more controversy than already exists, getting in hot water with management, and risk offending or negatively influencing Favre.

Ed Werder asked BF point blank if he sent the texts and his non-denial speaks volumes. Your characterization of Favre is right on, tho.

ESPN should have sat on the story and let it develop for a couple of days?  And have the country's premier sports news outlet be scooped by every other media outlet in the country? Not likely.  This is not the  media's fault.  Author, author.
Title: Re: Favre retiring?
Post by: Jay Bee on August 05, 2010, 09:23:41 AM
If you don't have a problem with the strib's article, why would you have a problem with espn pretty much repeating the contents of the strib's article?

The STrib clearly indicated they had not talked to any player that had said they were told by Favre that he was retiring. 
Title: Re: Favre retiring?
Post by: Canned Goods n Ammo on August 05, 2010, 09:56:45 AM
If you don't have a problem with the strib's article, why would you have a problem with espn pretty much repeating the contents of the strib's article?

What do you expect Longwell, Childress and other teammates to say?  They are not going to cause any more controversy than already exists, getting in hot water with management, and risk offending or negatively influencing Favre.

Ed Werder asked BF point blank if he sent the texts and his non-denial speaks volumes. Your characterization of Favre is right on, tho.

ESPN should have sat on the story and let it develop for a couple of days?  And have the country's premier sports news outlet be scooped by every other media outlet in the country? Not likely.  This is not the  media's fault.  Author, author.

Re-read my post.

There is a difference between reporting a developing story ("A Minneapolis paper is reporting that Brett Favre may be retiring") and holding a 2 day retirement marathon with dozens of different BF "top 10's", stories about his place in NFL history, videos, etc. Did you watch any of the ESPN networks the past 2 days? It was terrible. Seriously.

They basically held a funeral/eulogy for Favre before anybody at the hospital pronounce that he was dead. 

As far as him lying about the text messages, it looks like he is, but truthfully I have no idea with that guy. His ego is huge, which has allowed him to overcome a lot of stuff and be a tremendous football player. Unfortunately, it's that same ego that gets him in trouble off the field.
Title: Re: Favre retiring?
Post by: NavinRJohnson on August 05, 2010, 11:02:26 AM
Did you watch any of the ESPN networks the past 2 days? It was terrible. Seriously.

They basically held a funeral/eulogy for Favre before anybody at the hospital pronounce that he was dead. 


So who's really the problem here? ESPN for putting that tripe on the air, or you for watching it?

I can honestly say I had no idea what ESPN was doing with it, because with the possible exceptions of college basketball and football, I find ESPN virtually unwatchable.

Favre has mastered the art of playing them and many other members of the media like a finely tuned instrument to get whatever message he wants out. How people still buy into the "aw shucks" routine is beyond me. There isn't any significant retirement/unretirement coverage out there that isn't being initiated directly from Hattisburg.
Title: Re: Favre retiring?
Post by: Canned Goods n Ammo on August 05, 2010, 11:13:24 AM
So who's really the problem here? ESPN for putting that tripe on the air, or you for watching it?

I can honestly say I had no idea what ESPN was doing with it, because with the possible exceptions of college basketball and football, I find ESPN virtually unwatchable.

Favre has mastered the art of playing them and many other members of the media like a finely tuned instrument to get whatever message he wants out. How people still buy into the "aw shucks" routine is beyond me. There isn't any significant retirement/unretirement coverage out there that isn't being initiated directly from Hattisburg.

Not my choice to watch it.

Traveling for business. Hotel lobbies, hotel bars, etc.

I did put my ipod on after a while, but I had already seen enough.

Again, you guys can hate Favre all you want, but I think this is a 50/50 proposition. If major media outlets calmed down and reported facts and news, much of the "favre hype" would be gone.

"He's waiting to see if his ankle heals."

The story ends after that. It's easy. No hype. No nonsense.
Title: Re: Favre retiring?
Post by: ATWizJr on August 05, 2010, 11:31:54 AM
Re-read my post.

There is a difference between reporting a developing story ("A Minneapolis paper is reporting that Brett Favre may be retiring") and holding a 2 day retirement marathon with dozens of different BF "top 10's", stories about his place in NFL history, videos, etc. Did you watch any of the ESPN networks the past 2 days? It was terrible. Seriously.

They basically held a funeral/eulogy for Favre before anybody at the hospital pronounce that he was dead. 

As far as him lying about the text messages, it looks like he is, but truthfully I have no idea with that guy. His ego is huge, which has allowed him to overcome a lot of stuff and be a tremendous football player. Unfortunately, it's that same ego that gets him in trouble off the field.

The Trib reported that Favre texted teammates telling them that this was it and that he was retiring, not that he may retire.  Big diff.  All this flows from one source, Favre, and no one else is to blame for whatever happened after he texted but Favre.
Title: Re: Favre retiring?
Post by: StillAWarrior on August 05, 2010, 12:00:10 PM
a month old text is not what set off this latest and, pathetically, annual firestorm.

How many years in a row is it that Favre has prompted a "will he or won't he" story?  I used to really like him.  I can't stand him any more because of this annual event.

On the ESPN issue, I recall last year hearing one of the radio guys (I don't remember who) saying that they run with the Favre story (i.e., beat the story into the ground) because they get huge ratings from it.  Everyone (including me) complains that they shouldn't devote so much time to Favre, but the ratings are good.  I've tired of it and try to avoid it, but they know the story is making them money.
Title: Re: Favre retiring?
Post by: Canned Goods n Ammo on August 05, 2010, 12:19:27 PM
The Trib reported that Favre texted teammates telling them that this was it and that he was retiring, not that he may retire.  Big diff.  All this flows from one source, Favre, and no one else is to blame for whatever happened after he texted but Favre.

Not a big difference.

A second hand text message (without the actual text) is shaky to run 48 hours of coverage on, don't you think?

Again, I'm not saying it's not worth a mention in the paper or on sportscenter, it just doesn't warrant the blanket coverage that it received.

I know ESPN does it for ratings, but I think it helps create the backlash that we are all experiencing. I'm favre'd out... but I have to be honest and say that a lot of that is because I can't get away from the coverage.
Title: Re: Favre retiring?
Post by: ATWizJr on August 05, 2010, 12:29:31 PM
I guess i'd say that if you cannot agree that there is a big difference between stating that you've had it and are retiring and stating that you may retire, then we've come to a fork in the road.

Esp. in this case where all along no one knew if he would come back. Everyone was waiting for a definitive statement from him.  "I've had it and am retiring" is a bombshell statement and is news where stating "I may retire is not and is a simple restatement of the status quo which is not news.
Title: Re: Favre retiring?
Post by: StillAWarrior on August 05, 2010, 12:46:59 PM
Tuesday morning when my alarm went off, I heard that Favre had texted some teammates to tell them he was retiring.  I wonder when Favre first heard that ESPN was running that story.  I'm guessing it was pretty early in the day Tuesday.  I wonder why he didn't immediately place a phone call to ESPN (I'm sure they'd take the call) and correct the record.  Could it possibly be that he likes them talking about it?  Just like he did last year?  And the year before that?  Oh, and the year before that?  What about the year before that?

Favre loves this crap.  It's become an annual late-summer tradition.
Title: Re: Favre retiring?
Post by: Canned Goods n Ammo on August 05, 2010, 12:57:44 PM
I guess i'd say that if you cannot agree that there is a big difference between stating that you've had it and are retiring and stating that you may retire, then we've come to a fork in the road.

Esp. in this case where all along no one knew if he would come back. Everyone was waiting for a definitive statement from him.  "I've had it and am retiring" is a bombshell statement and is news where stating "I may retire is not and is a simple restatement of the status quo which is not news.

Yes, but where did that information come from? Shancoe? That's the exact quote? (I honestly haven't seen a verbatim quote).

Here is a quote right from the Trib article.

"Favre began informing select Vikings officials on Monday night, according to multiple NFL sources, that his left ankle wasn't responding to the surgery he underwent in late May and that he was going to announce his retirement in a press release Tuesday."

I just wish ESPN would wait for the presser before the 1000% hype took over.

As far as Brett calling ESPN, I guess I get that. But, at the same time, the guy doesn't owe anything to ESPN. F-them. If they want to run around like chickens every time Brett sneezes, then let them.

He only owes answers to his employer, not ESPN.
Title: Re: Favre retiring?
Post by: ATWizJr on August 05, 2010, 01:10:24 PM
Yes, but where did that information come from? Shancoe? That's the exact quote? (I honestly haven't seen a verbatim quote).

Here is a quote right from the Trib article.

"Favre began informing select Vikings officials on Monday night, according to multiple NFL sources, that his left ankle wasn't responding to the surgery he underwent in late May and that he was going to announce his retirement in a press release Tuesday."

 
Sounds pretty clear that if he texted team officials that he was going to announce his retirement then he was stating to them that he was  going to retire.  If multiple NFL sources heard from Vikings officials that he was going to retire and the story leaked to the media, that is not the media's fault.  If Favre does not text, there is no story.  He is the origination point and it all flows from him.
Title: Re: Favre retiring?
Post by: Strokin 3s on August 05, 2010, 01:15:12 PM
If that story came from anyone besides Jenn Sterger I could believe it.



As someone who doesn't know the background on her, why?
Title: Re: Favre retiring?
Post by: Canned Goods n Ammo on August 05, 2010, 01:17:34 PM
Sounds pretty clear that if he texted team officials that he was going to announce his retirement then he was stating to them that he was  going to retire.  If multiple NFL sources heard from Vikings officials that he was going to retire and the story leaked to the media, that is not the media's fault.  If Favre does not text, there is no story.  He is the origination point and it all flows from him.

Agree. I'm not saying that this whole thing should be ignored. Something started this storm. More than likely, something #4 said.

I'm simply talking volume of coverage.

ESPN is partially to blame for all of the hype because they ramp it up to 11 before anything definitive has happened.

I can't blame Brett because ESPN sucks and does hours and hours of programing about him.
Title: Re: Favre retiring?
Post by: MU B2002 on August 05, 2010, 01:29:59 PM
As someone who doesn't know the background on her, why?


Her background is using her "goods" to become famous.  If you don't know anything about her, she was the original "front row girl" at Florida State football games. (I think)



Title: Re: Favre retiring?
Post by: MUBurrow on August 05, 2010, 01:43:14 PM
in regards to well... anything, i dont think brett has all that much more credibility than Jenn Sterger.
Title: Re: Favre retiring?
Post by: ATWizJr on August 05, 2010, 01:45:19 PM
Agree. I'm not saying that this whole thing should be ignored. Something started this storm. More than likely, something #4 said.

I'm simply talking volume of coverage.

ESPN is partially to blame for all of the hype because they ramp it up to 11 before anything definitive has happened.

I can't blame Brett because ESPN sucks and does hours and hours of programing about him.


Don't know why you would take issue with the volume of coverage.  His announcing his retirement is a huge story and was covered (and still is) by many outlets.  

I always enjoy having the last word and recognize a kindred spirit in you, so, I'm done, but have at it.
Title: Re: Favre retiring?
Post by: Canned Goods n Ammo on August 05, 2010, 01:52:00 PM


Don't know why you would take issue with the volume of coverage.  His announcing his retirement is a huge story and was covered (and still is) by many outlets.  

I always enjoy having the last word and recognize a kindred spirit in you, so, I'm done, but have at it.

No worries. We can agree to disagree.

In my mind a retirement announcement is a big deal... When it's an official announcement. Not via text to former teammates.

I know Brett's a diva and nuts. I'm just saying the ESPN drives me crazy with their unnecessary coverage of said diva.

...Back to your regularly schedule Favre bashing...
Title: Re: Favre retiring?
Post by: StillAWarrior on August 05, 2010, 02:07:57 PM
Reminiscing (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2311729).

This makes for a somewhat amusing read in light of all that's gone on since.

Edited to add this nice timeline (http://content.usatoday.net/dist/custom/gci/InsidePage.aspx?cId=tennessean&sParam=35990066.story).
Title: Re: Favre retiring?
Post by: Spotcheck Billy on August 05, 2010, 04:12:28 PM
nm
Title: Re: Favre retiring?
Post by: WellsstreetWanderer on August 05, 2010, 07:06:35 PM
First it was breathless,non-stop LeBron
Now Favre....  Please let NCAA basketball start soon
Title: Re: Favre retiring?
Post by: LON on August 06, 2010, 07:27:14 AM
in regards to well... anything, i dont think brett has all that much more credibility than Jenn Sterger.

Touche...

Sterger became famous for getting eye-banged by Brent Musberger on TV during a college football broadcast.  Then she did Playboy.  Then chronicled her "struggle" to remove breast plants.  Then very publicly hated-on Erin Andrews (I don't like her either but that isn't the point) and now this...

Someone wants to stay relevant...
Title: Re: Favre retiring?
Post by: RJax55 on August 06, 2010, 09:40:04 AM
Sterger became famous for getting eye-banged by Brent Musberger on TV during a college football broadcast. 

That was one of the creepiest moments in TV history.
Title: Re: Favre retiring?
Post by: ATWizJr on August 06, 2010, 09:41:14 AM
Clip?
Title: Re: Favre retiring?
Post by: LON on August 09, 2010, 02:06:09 PM
Clip?

Google "Brent Musberger makes Jenn Sterger famous" and you should find it
Title: Re: Favre retiring?
Post by: Jay Bee on August 17, 2010, 02:43:02 PM
http://www.startribune.com/sports/vikings/blogs/100906249.html?elr=KArksLckD8EQDUoaEyqyP4O:DW3ckUiD3aPc:_Yyc:aU1yDEmP:QMDCinchO7DU (http://www.startribune.com/sports/vikings/blogs/100906249.html?elr=KArksLckD8EQDUoaEyqyP4O:DW3ckUiD3aPc:_Yyc:aU1yDEmP:QMDCinchO7DU)

Almost a year to the day, Favre is back on a plane heading to God's Country.  V I K I N G S, SKOL, VIKINGS, LET'S GO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Favre retiring?
Post by: GOMU1104 on August 17, 2010, 02:48:00 PM
Shocking.
Title: Re: Favre retiring?
Post by: StillAWarrior on August 17, 2010, 03:30:59 PM
http://www.startribune.com/sports/vikings/blogs/100906249.html?elr=KArksLckD8EQDUoaEyqyP4O:DW3ckUiD3aPc:_Yyc:aU1yDEmP:QMDCinchO7DU (http://www.startribune.com/sports/vikings/blogs/100906249.html?elr=KArksLckD8EQDUoaEyqyP4O:DW3ckUiD3aPc:_Yyc:aU1yDEmP:QMDCinchO7DU)

Almost a year to the day, Favre is back on a plane heading to God's Country.  V I K I N G S, SKOL, VIKINGS, LET'S GO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


But how can this be?  He said he was retiring.  I don't understand.


I'll believe Favre is retired when I see the first shovel of dirt on his casket.
Title: Re: Favre retiring?
Post by: damuts222 on August 17, 2010, 03:56:54 PM
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I'll believe Favre is retired when I see the first shovel of dirt on his casket.

 I'll believe Favre is retired when Mr. Peppers sends him into retirement
Title: Re: Favre retiring?
Post by: dsfire on August 17, 2010, 04:18:09 PM
Some of the comments on that article are hilarious.

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Here we come!!

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