During my initial projections of a 2nd round exit I didn't realize that:
A: The salary cap would go up 2 mill.
B: The trinity would go 3 mill each under max.
C: Haslem would take 12 mill less to play there.
I did think someone like Ilgauskas would sign for the minimum but i figured that would take up a lot more of their remaining cap than it did.
They'll probably win a title this year, and 3 out of the next 5. I'm over Lebron's stupidity of televising 'the decision' and I'm looking forward to him cementing wade as a top 10 player.
Whether a person likes what happened or not, you definitely have to give Riley and Wade accolades for making this happen.
Wade: Recruiting James and Bosh there, and giving up more coin than the others to make it happen, and to attract some other players.
Riley and Heat owner: For taking the risk of clearing cap space, and then for grabbing a pretty solid supporting cast: Miller, Haslem,Ilgouskas, and possibly Juwan Howard. Those guys will be solid role players. Now let's see what Riley can get these 2nd round rookies for, who should also lend some help.
Quote from: willie warrior on July 14, 2010, 09:27:24 AM
Whether a person likes what happened or not, you definitely have to give Riley and Wade accolades for making this happen.
Wade: Recruiting James and Bosh there, and giving up more coin than the others to make it happen, and to attract some other players.
Riley and Heat owner: For taking the risk of clearing cap space, and then for grabbing a pretty solid supporting cast: Miller, Haslem,Ilgouskas, and possibly Juwan Howard. Those guys will be solid role players. Now let's see what Riley can get these 2nd round rookies for, who should also lend some help.
I get the feeling you will see things like this more often, but only in states where there is no income tax.
Even after the 3 mil under the max, in Florida (no income tax) they can make more money than they would have had they all teamed up in NYC or wherever.
Does anyone else thing lebron is slightly hypocritical to support obama, then choose his location based on lower taxes?
Quote from: Curtis Loew on July 14, 2010, 11:07:01 AM
Does anyone else thing lebron is slightly hypocritical to support obama, then choose his location based on lower taxes?
yeah, this is necessary.
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on July 14, 2010, 10:44:38 AM
I get the feeling you will see things like this more often, but only in states where there is no income tax.
Even after the 3 mil under the max, in Florida (no income tax) they can make more money than they would have had they all teamed up in NYC or wherever.
Really? I heard the New York would only have been 1.5 per year in taxes.
Big Z, Howard, and Haslem are no surprise to me. The paycuts were well worth it to get that 6th guaranteed. I am not going to make martyrs out of James and Bosh. But Mike Miller's signing is huge. It is basically just Michael Beasley's money though. This is about what I expected Miami to look like the night of "the Decision" with Mike Miller swapped in for Beasley.
Haslem turned down the midlevel for a little over $5 million to stay in his home without state taxes for $4 million. Not a huge shocker.
I am still waiting for the guy who is worth $5-8 million to sign for the minimum. Then I will be impressed.
I hope the media does not make these guys out to be martyrs for these "paycuts." They really are not that big of paycuts. These guys' selflessness should not become a talking point because it will cause more resentment.
However, I do appreciate players being reasonable on a few dollars here and there for the sake of winning. It is not much, but means something. The NBA is getting to be competitive again. We got used to big time competitors and when MJ retired, T-Mac, Grant Hill, KG, and Iverson did not carry the league. Players are challenging each other and challenging history and makes the league worth watching again. Even though I don't like the way James plays, I do respect that he is at least trying to take on MJ's and Kobe's place in history. Even if I did appreciate the way he plays, I don't think he is going about it the right way. I can't wait to watch others stop him. Should be fun.
Quote from: reinko on July 14, 2010, 11:10:29 AM
yeah, this is necessary.
I see your point, but I would never had posted something like this in the bball forum. The subpar, however, is never really necessary.
LOL the NBA is not getting competitive again... What Bosh, Wade, and LBJ did is exactly the opposite.... El BJ is clearly not a competitor because he felt like he had to team up with Wade to win a championship.
Quote from: HoopsMalone on July 14, 2010, 11:25:53 AM
However, I do appreciate players being reasonable on a few dollars here and there for the sake of winning. It is not much, but means something. The NBA is getting to be competitive again. We got used to big time competitors and when MJ retired, T-Mac, Grant Hill, KG, and Iverson did not carry the league. Players are challenging each other and challenging history and makes the league worth watching again. Even though I don't like the way James plays, I do respect that he is at least trying to take on MJ's and Kobe's place in history. Even if I did appreciate the way he plays, I don't think he is going about it the right way. I can't wait to watch others stop him. Should be fun.
In what way is LeBron trying to take on Jordan and Kobe's place in history? He is actually shying away from being the guy who carries his team to a title. Though I love MJ and can't stand Kobe, neither one of them would have ever had the "if you can't beat 'em, join 'em" attitude that LeBron has recently displayed. He has definitely hurt his image and quite possibly done damage to his place in history.
Quote from: Curtis Loew on July 14, 2010, 11:07:01 AM
Does anyone else thing lebron is slightly hypocritical to support obama, then choose his location based on lower taxes?
yes, although it seems like 'El BJ' is the king of hypocrisy
Quote from: RawdogDX on July 14, 2010, 07:05:14 AM
I'm looking forward to him cementing wade as a top 10 player.
Top 10 of All-Time or Top 10 of current players? I am not sure which interpretation confuses me more. I don't see Wade ever being a Top 10 of all time, but I also don't see how he could not have already been considered in the Top 10 of current players.
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on July 14, 2010, 11:33:18 AM
In what way is LeBron trying to take on Jordan and Kobe's place in history? He is actually shying away from being the guy who carries his team to a title. Though I love MJ and can't stand Kobe, neither one of them would have ever had the "if you can't beat 'em, join 'em" attitude that LeBron has recently displayed. He has definitely hurt his image and quite possibly done damage to his place in history.
+1
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on July 14, 2010, 11:33:18 AM
In what way is LeBron trying to take on Jordan and Kobe's place in history? He is actually shying away from being the guy who carries his team to a title. Though I love MJ and can't stand Kobe, neither one of them would have ever had the "if you can't beat 'em, join 'em" attitude that LeBron has recently displayed. He has definitely hurt his image and quite possibly done damage to his place in history.
I said I disagree with the way he is doing it because I agree 100% with you. You need a big title count to get into those conversations and Miami gives him a chance to win a few. I think Lebron is trying to run up his title count by joining Wade as the way to get on equal turf with those guys. I think James affirmatively chosing to join a champion will hurt him. He was so scared of striking out in Cleveland that he took the easiest path. I am sure he had other reasons, like him being friends with those guys and winters in Miami, but "help, I can't lead a team" was apparently one of them. There were plenty of options for him to lead a talented team and beat Wade and Kobe on a way to a title.
Quote from: jutaw22mu on July 14, 2010, 11:32:57 AM
LOL the NBA is not getting competitive again... What Bosh, Wade, and LBJ did is exactly the opposite.... El BJ is clearly not a competitor because he felt like he had to team up with Wade to win a championship.
Just because James is not the competitor that MJ, Bird, and Russel were does not mean that the NBA is not competitive. Generalizing one player's apparent lack of competitive drive is a little overbroad to assign to the whole league. I am talking about the league as a whole. Them taking a little less to make sure Haslem stayed is pretty competitive on some level too.
I think that everyone wants to beat these guys in Miami. No one is scared. I think the fans are getting competitive too and are excited to see this season.
I am noticing more competition than I have seen since the 1990s in my opinion. Joakim Noah getting into James' face for dancing, Kobe trying to overtake other player's legacies, the Celtics trying to squeeze out titles in their twilight. This is great in my opinion. I am looking forward more to this season than any since the mid-1990s.
Quote from: HoopsMalone on July 14, 2010, 11:25:53 AM
However, I do appreciate players being reasonable on a few dollars here and there for the sake of winning. It is not much, but means something. The NBA is getting to be competitive again. We got used to big time competitors and when MJ retired, T-Mac, Grant Hill, KG, and Iverson did not carry the league. Players are challenging each other and challenging history and makes the league worth watching again. Even though I don't like the way James plays, I do respect that he is at least trying to take on MJ's and Kobe's place in history. Even if I did appreciate the way he plays, I don't think he is going about it the right way. I can't wait to watch others stop him. Should be fun.
Just curious as to why you don't like the "way he plays". Seems to me he dishes out quite a few assists, if he wanted to could certainly score more than he does.
Quote from: jutaw22mu on July 14, 2010, 11:32:57 AM
LOL the NBA is not getting competitive again... What Bosh, Wade, and LBJ did is exactly the opposite.... El BJ is clearly not a competitor because he felt like he had to team up with Wade to win a championship.
Actually, I kind of find it refreshing that these guys aren't simply going to the highest bidders and are really gunning for a title.
Lets face it, for several years now professional athletes have been accused of only caring about personal stats and their bank accounts (and rightfully so in a lot of cases).
LJ, DW, CB, are all taking slightly less money and slightly less glory in an effort to win it all. I actually think that's kind of a good message and good example.
I don't think they are Martyrs, but they are sacrificing for the greater good. I mean, imagine with Sabathia and Prince did the same thing for the Brewers. People would have a huge boner about that.
Instead, Prince and C.C. are going to go to the highest bidder, and nobody will really blink at that.
Quote from: Curtis Loew on July 14, 2010, 11:07:01 AM
Does anyone else thing lebron is slightly hypocritical to support obama, then choose his location based on lower taxes?
Oh, definitely.
James should act more like the paragon of morality and ethics that I'm sure every person in this forum espouses each and every day of their very important lives.
Quote from: Strokin 3s on July 14, 2010, 03:46:04 PM
Just curious as to why you don't like the "way he plays". Seems to me he dishes out quite a few assists, if he wanted to could certainly score more than he does.
I don't like the way he carries himself on the court. Dances when he is winning regular season games, disappears in the playoffs, complains to the refs when someone coughs on him (I know he is not the only one). I don't mind trash talking or showboating personally. If you are going to showboat or talk trash, though, do it for the whole game or when it is in doubt. Don't only dance when you know you have won the game. There is nothing more cowardly. And, to the "well the players should have done something about it" argument, they do end up eliminating him from the playoffs.
From a purely basketball perspective, I don't think he moves well without the ball, doesn't use picks well, does not play good defense on the ball, and he does not look like he has guts in close out games.
He is one of the best players in the league, but I just don't like him. It's all opinion. Just because I am bothered by the flaws in his game does not mean people can't disagree. He has a TON of strengths and makes some entertaining moves.
These reasons don't even include the things that are not his fault with the media annointing him at a young age.
Nice response, it might have sounded sarcastic but I was honestly interested.
Mike Miller signed with the Heat for $25 mil over 5 yrs. 48% 3 pt shooter in 09.
That cements it:
Bulls will be sniffing Heat azz for the forseeable future in the NBA tour de titles.
Quote from: Stone Cold on July 15, 2010, 04:27:33 PM
Mike Miller signed with the Heat for $25 mil over 5 yrs. 48% 3 pt shooter in 09.
That cements it:
Bulls will be sniffing Heat azz for the forseeable future in the NBA tour de titles.
How about Dan Gilbert sniffing Heat arse, in spite of his claim that the cavs will win a championship before the self titled King?
I fully expect all the Chicago Bulls fans to come into this thread and apologize for spouting absurdities concerning the Bulls superiority to the Heat in the upcoming season. All your previous misconceptions about the team having no role players, veterans or bench are quickly going by the wayside
Quote from: SacWarrior on July 15, 2010, 07:10:06 PM
I fully expect all the Chicago Bulls fans to come into this thread and apologize for spouting absurdities concerning the Bulls superiority to the Heat in the upcoming season. All your previous misconceptions about the team having no role players, veterans or bench are quickly going by the wayside
The Heat swapped out Beasley and replaced him with Miller is a surprise only because many thought Beasley would develop into a really good player off of their bench. That was a nice move that I was not expecting. Their PF who grew up in Florida took $4 million instead of $5ish million. No surprise there. No one has taken a big paycut. They can add Stackhouse, Juwan Howard, Jason Williams or whoever. Those players make the minimum for a reason.
And just because a Bulls fan questions the Heat winning the whole thing this year, then that does not mean anyone said anything about the superiority of the Bulls. I don't know if you can read "Bulls are superior" into any of the comments, but maybe you can.
I do think the Bulls are competitive though and look forward to them making a few more moves to be really competitive. They have some favorable matchups with the other teams in the Eastern conference already and are they youngest team right now. The Bulls, Celtics, Magic, Thunder, and Lakers can beat the Heat, though the Heat will obviously be favored. You all can crown the Heat if you want though. That's fine.
Quote from: MUEng92 on July 14, 2010, 11:34:38 AM
Top 10 of All-Time or Top 10 of current players? I am not sure which interpretation confuses me more. I don't see Wade ever being a Top 10 of all time, but I also don't see how he could not have already been considered in the Top 10 of current players.
Top 10 all time. Lets say this group wins 4 titles. That means he has 5, was an allstar every year, tons of 1st team all nba season, nba finals mvp (at least once and will probably 1-3 more). If he wins an MVP or 2 that is enough to easily put him in top 10 talks.
The MVP will probably come now that no one likes lebron, unless durant starts hogging them all.