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Title: Who will surprise us next year?
Post by: MUSF on July 04, 2010, 01:37:12 PM
Who do you think has the potential to out perform expectations next year?

I think a lot of people are overlooking Dwight Buycks.  He showed some flashes last year and his production was hindered at times by extenuating circumstances.  I think Buycks will find his way into the starting lineup and produce consistently.
Title: Re: Who will surprise us next year?
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on July 04, 2010, 01:44:46 PM
EWill at PF.  He has raw offensive talent and if he gets positioning on the defensive side of the ball, can be a great shot blocker.  Otule will help him a tremendously to cover his inexperience where last year he was exposed. 
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Post by: Murffieus on July 04, 2010, 01:46:54 PM
I also think Buycks will be the #1 overachiiever next year .
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Post by: Markusquette on July 04, 2010, 02:02:37 PM
Jamail Jones looks like he could be a big asset early on, and it seems like Blue is getting most of the hype from the incoming players.
Title: Re: Who will surprise us next year?
Post by: brewcity77 on July 04, 2010, 02:15:25 PM
I think it will be Williams. Never really showed much last year, but I think he'll step up and push for starting minutes.
Title: Re: Who will surprise us next year?
Post by: tower912 on July 04, 2010, 02:21:31 PM
Ewill at the 4/5.
Title: Re: Who will surprise us next year?
Post by: MUfan12 on July 04, 2010, 02:23:30 PM
Newbill.
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Post by: T-Bone on July 04, 2010, 02:25:14 PM
Otule, by a landslide.
Title: Re: Who will surprise us next year?
Post by: NersEllenson on July 04, 2010, 02:29:16 PM
Otule, by a landslide.
Agree - and if I were to add surprise 1A - I'd go with Reggie Smith...just think his kind of athleticism has to get on the court somehow..and he is probably the least heralded recruit we've got coming in this year..which would make any contribution from him a surprise.
Title: Re: Who will surprise us next year?
Post by: MUSF on July 04, 2010, 02:37:00 PM
Newbill.

Nice.
Title: Re: Who will surprise us next year?
Post by: SacWarrior on July 04, 2010, 02:38:58 PM
Newbill.

He's surprised me the most so far.

Cadoogie Nights will be a solid Point, making his Junior and Senior seasons look really good for the future.
Title: Re: Who will surprise us next year?
Post by: MUSF on July 04, 2010, 02:51:09 PM
This is going to be a very interesting season.

It's the first time in a long time that I think 8-9 guys have a legitimate shot at starting / earning the majority of minutes at their position.  Granted, some would have to improve significantly or exceed expectations significantly.

Cadougan
Buycks
DJO
Blue
Butler
Jones
Crowder
Fulce
Williams
Otule

I would say only Butler, DJO, and Otule are entrenched at their position barring injuries.  Even so, all of these guys could see a decrease in minutes due to the performance of others at their position.

Edit: I forgot Fulce
Title: Re: Who will surprise us next year?
Post by: bilsu on July 04, 2010, 02:54:14 PM
It is hard for a new recruit to surpise us, because we do not know what deficeincies they have in their game and tend to expect too much. It will either be Fulce or Williams. The surpise on Otule's part is if he keeps from getting injured. If there is no injury, I expect him to be a factor.
Title: Re: Who will surprise us next year?
Post by: Murffieus on July 04, 2010, 03:20:37 PM
I think Blue will eventually beat out Cadougan at PG. Cadougan too slow getting into the paint.
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Post by: mikem91288 on July 04, 2010, 04:16:29 PM
Otule. Our season depends on it.

Buycks? Come on people. He needs to be a tough man coming off the bench, while Vander gets some starts at Guard.
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Post by: mr.MUskie on July 04, 2010, 09:31:10 PM
Buzz.
He seems to be full of surprises.
Title: Re: Who will surprise us next year?
Post by: Tugg Speedman on July 04, 2010, 09:37:17 PM
Since everyone has been named in this thread already .... watch for Frozena!!
Title: Re: Who will surprise us next year?
Post by: Spaniel with a Short Tail on July 04, 2010, 11:16:33 PM
I think Buycks, Fulce & Butler have topped out.  I agree that Otule just by staying healthy would be a surprise.  Expectations are too high for Blue to be a surprise.  From the rest, since it appears to me his expectations are so low, Smith will be the biggest surprise.
Title: Re: Who will surprise us next year?
Post by: Tulsa Warrior on July 05, 2010, 09:27:27 AM
Buycks and Fulce will surprise.  It's the same senior thing we saw with Acker and Cubillan.

This season we will find out if Otule's feet will hold up to the wear and tear or D1 basketball.  I'm pulling for the kid.  Crowder will bring a maturity to the newbies that cannot be under valued.
Title: Re: Who will surprise us next year?
Post by: bilsu on July 05, 2010, 09:45:01 AM
I think Buycks, Fulce & Butler have topped out.  I agree that Otule just by staying healthy would be a surprise.  Expectations are too high for Blue to be a surprise.  From the rest, since it appears to me his expectations are so low, Smith will be the biggest surprise.
I do not think Buyckes, Fulce and Butler have topped out. Butler has continuously improved throughout his short career at MU. He may not look improved, because the defense will more focus on him now that Hayward is gone. Fulce was finally getting the opportunity to play at the end of last year, there is no reason to believe he will not improve if he is given the opportunity to play. Buyckes has a lot of ability. It really depends on whether he is going to fight for playing time or let the new guys take it from him.
Title: Re: Who will surprise us next year?
Post by: Pakuni on July 05, 2010, 10:13:39 AM
Junior.
I don't he's been written off, but I think many forget just how highly touted a player he was coming in (i.e. highest rated recruit at MU in the five years between the three amigos and Vander, expected to start at point as frosh).
I think with a year under his belt, and a full offseason/pre-season of conditioning, he's going to begin establishing himself as the next in a long line of quality point guards at MU.
Then again, maybe I'm wrong in thinking that would be much of a surprise for anyone here. I could be mistaking the lack of chatter about Junior for a lack of expecations.
Title: Re: Who will surprise us next year?
Post by: wadefan#1 on July 05, 2010, 11:26:06 AM
Jae Crowder

He will be even better than DJO was last year.
Title: Re: Who will surprise us next year?
Post by: MUSF on July 05, 2010, 11:31:49 AM
Jae Crowder

He will be even better than DJO was last year.

If Crowder is better than DJO was last year, Otule remains healthy and proves to be a consistent defender, and a combination of Blue, Cadougan, and Buycks can slightly exceed the production of Acker and Cubillan, this team will be very good.
Title: Re: Who will surprise us next year?
Post by: MUSF on July 05, 2010, 11:44:44 AM
Junior.
I don't he's been written off, but I think many forget just how highly touted a player he was coming in (i.e. highest rated recruit at MU in the five years between the three amigos and Vander, expected to start at point as frosh).
I think with a year under his belt, and a full offseason/pre-season of conditioning, he's going to begin establishing himself as the next in a long line of quality point guards at MU.
Then again, maybe I'm wrong in thinking that would be much of a surprise for anyone here. I could be mistaking the lack of chatter about Junior for a lack of expecations.

It's pretty amazing that a year ago most people believed that our success would depend largely on the production of Maymon and Cadougan.  Now Maymon is gone and most people think we can still be very good without a ton of production from Junior.

Buzz is really bringing in the talent.  Let's hope the talent leads to greater success.
Title: Re: Who will surprise us next year?
Post by: HoopsMalone on July 05, 2010, 12:22:43 PM
Buycks and Fulce will surprise.  It's the same senior thing we saw with Acker and Cubillan.

+1   Buycks was a major contributor at the beginning of the season.  I think he got sick or something if I remember correctly and got buried behind DJO and then Cubillan stepped up.  He gets to the basket nicely and can create his own shot on pull-ups.

Fulce really showed up and was a difference maker in many situations.  Lots of talent there.

As seniors, it is not out of the question for them to contribute consistently all season.
Title: Re: Who will surprise us next year?
Post by: GGGG on July 05, 2010, 12:39:02 PM
Buycks and Fulce will surprise.  It's the same senior thing we saw with Acker and Cubillan.


The only reason Acker and Cubillan played so much last year is because they had to.  Don't get me wrong, they did play well, but IMO comparing Buycks and Fulce to either one of them simply means that they will be serviceable players.

I think Buycks will step up, but I don't think Fulce will be anything more than a bit player - not very strong and limited offensively.  I hope someone saves this and proves me wrong though.
Title: Re: Who will surprise us next year?
Post by: MUSF on July 05, 2010, 01:28:03 PM

The only reason Acker and Cubillan played so much last year is because they had to.  Don't get me wrong, they did play well, but IMO comparing Buycks and Fulce to either one of them simply means that they will be serviceable players.

I think Buycks will step up, but I don't think Fulce will be anything more than a bit player - not very strong and limited offensively.  I hope someone saves this and proves me wrong though.

+1

I think Buycks will be solid.  I don't think he'll be a star or put up ridiculous stats but I expect him to provide a major contribution.

Fulce = poor man's Jamil Wilson.  I think he'll be a contributer but expect him to lose minutes as the season goes on.  I would love for him to prove me wrong because he seems like a great teamate that has worked hard and done everything asked of him, but we have some talent and depth now that we didn't have last season.
Title: Re: Who will surprise us next year?
Post by: NCMUFan on July 05, 2010, 08:51:18 PM
I will say Erik Willaims, Otule and Junior will be solid contributors.  Buycks could be solid, but he should really take the example of DJO and Butler, that being just take high percentage shots within his skill set.  He seemed to take many off balanced bad shots last season. 
Title: Re: Who will surprise us next year?
Post by: radome on July 06, 2010, 10:05:48 AM
EWill.
Title: Re: Who will surprise us next year?
Post by: MerrittsMustache on July 06, 2010, 10:44:04 AM
Prediction: NCAA Tournament starting 5...

Otule
Williams
Butler
DJO
Blue
Title: Re: Who will surprise us next year?
Post by: wyoMUfan on July 06, 2010, 11:01:43 AM
Prediction: NCAA Tournament starting 5...

Otule
Williams
Butler
DJO
Blue


I like that lineup,,,,
EWILL might be a bit optimistic, but who knows right?
Title: Re: Who will surprise us next year?
Post by: GGGG on July 06, 2010, 11:12:38 AM
Prediction: NCAA Tournament starting 5...

Otule
Williams
Butler
DJO
Blue



I can't for the life of me figure out why people are discounting Junior....a top 50 recruit who was injured all of last year.
Title: Re: Who will surprise us next year?
Post by: mr.MUskie on July 06, 2010, 11:25:58 AM

I can't for the life of me figure out why people are discounting Junior....a top 50 recruit who was injured all of last year.


Hard to come all the way back from an achilles.
Title: Re: Who will surprise us next year?
Post by: Dawson Rental on July 06, 2010, 05:34:27 PM
Jae Crowder

He will be even better than DJO was last year.

I agree, he carried his JC team.
Title: Re: Who will surprise us next year?
Post by: Dawson Rental on July 06, 2010, 05:36:55 PM

The only reason Acker and Cubillan played so much last year is because they had to.  Don't get me wrong, they did play well, but IMO comparing Buycks and Fulce to either one of them simply means that they will be serviceable players.

I think Buycks will step up, but I don't think Fulce will be anything more than a bit player - not very strong and limited offensively.  I hope someone saves this and proves me wrong though.

I agree.  Fulce becoming a serviceable bit player last year probably makes him the surprise player for 2010 since it was unknown if he would even be able to play coming off his knee surgery.

Title: Re: Who will surprise us next year?
Post by: Dawson Rental on July 06, 2010, 05:40:20 PM
Prediction: NCAA Tournament starting 5...

Otule
Williams
Butler
DJO
Blue


MY NCAA Tournament starting 5...
Crowder
Butler
DJO
Blue
Cadougan
Title: Re: Who will surprise us next year?
Post by: bilsu on July 06, 2010, 07:25:49 PM

Hard to come all the way back from an achilles.

I would be higher on him, if I had not seen him play last year.
Title: Re: Who will surprise us next year?
Post by: MUSF on July 07, 2010, 02:10:32 AM
Cadougan
Buycks
DJO
Butler
Otule

Still think were a year away from throwing out the small ball lineup.
Title: Re: Who will surprise us next year?
Post by: MUBurrow on July 08, 2010, 11:12:37 AM
Cadougan
Buycks
DJO
Butler
Otule

Still think were a year away from throwing out the small ball lineup.

+1 and I think that Otule's starts will be in the same vein as Dwight Burke's were a couple of years ago.  Play the tip and the first couple of minutes before giving way to a smaller rotation type of thing.
Title: Re: Who will surprise us next year?
Post by: bilsu on July 08, 2010, 12:07:05 PM
When does boot camp start? I cannot remember, if this is in August or after school starts. If it is in August does this mean that Crowder will miss it? If so, then I think Crowder will be the surprise player in that he will not play much.
Title: Re: Who will surprise us next year?
Post by: Skatastrophy on July 08, 2010, 12:12:41 PM
When does boot camp start? I cannot remember, if this is in August or after school starts. If it is in August does this mean that Crowder will miss it? If so, then I think Crowder will be the surprise player in that he will not play much.

Boot camp, the past two years, has been from October 8th through the 14th.

http://www.gomarquette.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/marq-m-baskbl-spec-rel.html