In my eyes, all season I haven't given teh POY to Tucker. Not because I hate the Badgers, but because all year(or atleast conference play) Durant has been better. The big talk was that Tucker was the leader on a team that only lost 2 games, well now losing the last two you can't use that argument. Tucker was a non-factor in the MSU game, and the OSU game he really didn't come alive. Durant every night it seems gets a double-double, and I would throw Fazekas in there over Tucker for POY. If Badger fans still want to go with because of leadership (although its Player of the Year, not MVP, which people forget, and I think that should get rid of leadership talk, although its important, it is the Player of the Year), I would say Acie Law should be in the talk, maybe he doesn't get the stats, but if you watch a Texas A&M game, in which I watch as many as I can because besides MU, A&M is my second favorite team to watch play, Law runs the show.
Tucker as POY is a complete joke! He is a good scorer thats it. Is he a great rebounder? passer? steals? Defense? No way! He is the best player on a good team, that doesn't make hime player of the year. Does anyone have him as a projected lottery pick? I wonder why? Nietzel does more for his team then tucker does. POY's don't get 10 and 12 in there teams two biggest games of the year.
While Alando probably will not be POY given recent performances, he is till a VERY good player. He has put UW into the national spotlight. Will be hard to replace him, though Marcus Landry will give a run at that.
He is a good player, POY not even close. He is the supposed best player ever at uw and this is the best uw team ever yet they finish in 2nd place and with that can't even win the weakest B10 in ages.
IMO, Tucker is POY runnerup behind Durant----he's the best player by far on a top 3 team----can't be stopped one on one! Bo needs to start lining him up more off the wide post----that's how UW damn near beat UNC 2 years ago in the elite 8-----by getting the ball to Tucker and Wilkinson wide!
Quote from: Murffieus on February 26, 2007, 02:46:30 PM
IMO, Tucker is POY runnerup behind Durant----he's the best player by far on a top 3 team----can't be stopped one on one! Bo needs to start lining him up more off the wide post----that's how UW damn near beat UNC 2 years ago in the elite 8-----by getting the ball to Tucker and Wilkinson wide!
Top 3 team? Was there a specific day you stopped caring about your own credibility?
Fun with numbers:
In conference wisco is 5 and 3 against teams with winning conference records.
The combined conference record of teams they DID beat is 55 and 89.
That's good for a solid 38 conference win percentage.
Take out the victory against Ohio st and that goes to 41 and 88 for a 31 %. Top 3 huh?
Alando may be NBDL player of the year next year
Quote from: mviale on February 26, 2007, 04:43:55 PM
Alando may be NBDL player of the year next year
Doubtful - he's NBA bound. But it does bring up debates similar to "would you rather be the best in the NIT or the worst in the NCAA"?
He's NBA bound. Unfortunately, he is on the same path as Travis Diener and Steve Novak.
I disagree----Tucker has a chance to be a very good pro----the problem with SN and TD is defense-----Tucker is quick and strog enough to play defense in the NBA.
If Tucker gets to line up at the wide post like Phoenix did with Barkely----he'll be outstanding in the NBA! He's playing as well at UW this year as DW did at MU his llast year-----similar styles in some respects!
and Diener or Novak is Alando will be a 1st rd. pick. That is, guranteed $$$. By definition, he'll get more playing time.
There is no way Tucker gets POY
Can't wait till Scott Merritt is blocking his crap next year in the NBADL
Just ask Gregg Doyel from CBS Sports - Enjoy this fellow badger haters!
The Badgers weren't good enough to win the national title -- period -- and that was before cryin' Brian Butch left Sunday's game with an elbow injury that might end his third consecutive disappointment of a season. The Badgers can make do without Butch's soft play and yucky body. What Wisconsin can't overcome is its offensive liabilities at three positions on the floor. Centers Jason Chappell and Greg Stiemsma can't score. Small forward Joe Krabbenhoft doesn't want to score. Point guard Michael Flowers doesn't shoot well enough to score. The Badgers are Kammron Taylor, Alando Tucker and Bo Ryan's quicksand.
Speaking of Tucker, he's an explosive scorer -- but scoring is the only thing he does at the elite level, and he's 28th nationally in that category. So tell me why, exactly, this non-rebounding, non-passing, non-shooting guy is so great? Anyone who votes him national Player of the Year needs to have a CAT scan, preferably performed by a proctologist. Because your head has to be up your ... you know ... if you think Tucker is a first-team All-American, much less the national player of the year."
-Gregg Doyel (writer for CBS.)
Doyel's article has no class, so Im not going to use his article as an example, I don't have to... just watch Tucker, hes not much of a team player, and he isn't player of the year. He is an all-american, for my all-americans are Durant(POY), Fazekas(Runner-Up), Tucker, Law IV, Afflalo.
Quote from: Mayor McCheese on February 27, 2007, 05:09:28 PM
for my all-americans are Durant(POY), Fazekas(Runner-Up), Tucker, Law IV, Afflalo.
Just wondering, did you leave Oden off intentionally?
Quote from: DoubleMU0609 on February 27, 2007, 06:30:28 PM
Quote from: Mayor McCheese on February 27, 2007, 05:09:28 PM
for my all-americans are Durant(POY), Fazekas(Runner-Up), Tucker, Law IV, Afflalo.
Just wondering, did you leave Oden off intentionally?
Yes, he is not a first team all-american in my eyes, 2nd team, not first team.... seems to rack up stats on garbage opponents... and when he plays a good team lacks (look at his two games against Bucky, you would figure him to have huge numbers since Bucky has some stiffs, yet he didn't play that well)
Tucker is a better NBA prospect than Devin Harris----and Harris went #5 in the 2004 draft!
BTW---to the jokester above who says UW isn't a # 3 and who flings out all kinds of bogus numbers-----well they have averaged #3 the last month----and most of that month they had lost only ONE game!
Quote from: Murffieus on February 27, 2007, 08:11:31 PM
Tucker is a better NBA prospect than Devin Harris----and Harris went #5 in the 2004 draft!
BTW---to the jokester above who says UW isn't a # 3 and who flings out all kinds of bogus numbers-----well they have averaged #3 the last month----and most of that month they had lost only ONE game!
and what team in the top 50 did they play away???? o wait, no one... Im sorry but UW is a good team.... however so over-rated, and so is Ohio St, its just like college football all over again
Especially after tonight, Acie Law IV gets my vote for POY. He is the best player on one of the best teams in the country, and he is CLUTCH. In case you missed it, he had a ridiculous 3 over Durant to send it to overtime, along with numerous other big, big baskets. Finished with 30-some in a 2ot loss.
and what team in the top 50 did they play away???? o wait, no one... Im sorry but UW is a good team.... however so over-rated, and so is Ohio St, its just like college football all over again
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I really dont think OSU is overratted. Look at the games they have lost this year: @North Carolina (w/out Oden) @ Florida (in Oden's 2nd game) and @ Wisc, and we all know the Kohl Center is a tough place to play at
Quote from: marquette09 on February 28, 2007, 11:19:55 PM
and what team in the top 50 did they play away???? o wait, no one... Im sorry but UW is a good team.... however so over-rated, and so is Ohio St, its just like college football all over again
I really dont think OSU is overratted. Look at the games they have lost this year: @North Carolina (w/out Oden) @ Florida (in Oden's 2nd game) and @ Wisc, and we all know the Kohl Center is a tough place to play at
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maybe over-rated is a bad term, but they aren't number 1 in the land, no real quality wins. Lost to Florida by 26... twenty mcfriggen six points!!!! that should count as two losses...
I don't get the ripping on Tucker. He's a great player and he absolutely killed us this year. Will he win POY this year? No, but that's because of the outstanding play of Durant and others, not poor play from him. Tucker will deservedly be in the top 5 in voting.
Regarding the NBA, he should be a good, not great player, but a 10 year guy, who can average 15-18 points over his career.
Tucker should have as good or better an NBA career as Michael Finley, if he keeps his head straight. And that 'ain't bad!
How is Ohio St. overated again? I dont understand a lot of the stuff on this board. And how were they overrated in football too, I know they got their asses kicked in the national championship, but they were a consensus #1 and dominated the entire season.
There is no way Tucker has as good or better of a career than Michael Finley.
He had five straight seasons of 20+ ppg and 5+ rpg and 4+ apg. Plus he shot over 80% from the line, was a threat from behind the arc, and an above-average defender.
Top 25-30 player in the league every year over that span. One of the more underrated players of his era. Having as good or better of a career than Finley would be quite the tall task.
Quote from: MUCHI814 on March 01, 2007, 11:18:34 AM
How is Ohio St. overated again? I dont understand a lot of the stuff on this board. And how were they overrated in football too, I know they got their asses kicked in the national championship, but they were a consensus #1 and dominated the entire season.
for basketball, look at their schedule, besides their 1 point win against WI and 2 point win against Tenn, no other real win stands out in my eyes....
for football, they were consensus number one, but the Big Ten was over-rated all year, look at what happened, Florida stomped OSU, USC stomped Mich.... maybe not over-rated, but there was so much talk about Mich and OSU on ESPN, that when it happened, I wish USC would play Florida for national championship, think they were the better teams and it would have been a better national championship
Quote from: Mayor McCheese on March 01, 2007, 05:52:37 PM
Quote from: MUCHI814 on March 01, 2007, 11:18:34 AM
How is Ohio St. overated again? I dont understand a lot of the stuff on this board. And how were they overrated in football too, I know they got their asses kicked in the national championship, but they were a consensus #1 and dominated the entire season.
for basketball, look at their schedule, besides their 1 point win against WI and 2 point win against Tenn, no other real win stands out in my eyes....
for football, they were consensus number one, but the Big Ten was over-rated all year, look at what happened, Florida stomped OSU, USC stomped Mich.... maybe not over-rated, but there was so much talk about Mich and OSU on ESPN, that when it happened, I wish USC would play Florida for national championship, think they were the better teams and it would have been a better national championship
I dont want to get in to a full out football debate but i truly think the 51 day lay off hurt Troy Smith. Florida on the other hand had something like a 30 day lay off. It makes a difference
Troy Smith is a risk in the nFL because of his height!
Tucker averaging 19 ppg and shooting 49% is having a year thus far like DW did at MU in 2003. not saying Tucker will be as good an NBA player as DW------but he's got a chance to be very good-----line him up on the wide post in the NBA and he'll find a home!