Attached is an interesting photo from Buzz's BBQ.
As for the event, it was very fun. Buzz had a nice tribute to Mike Parker. Many current and former players in attendance.
The players that were there:
Jimmy
Dwight
Eric
Junior
Joe
Darius
Jamail
Former players I saw:
Mo Acker
Joe Chapman
Terry Sanders
Scott Merritt
Terry Rand
Lazar (I didn't see, but Buzz said he was coming from Boston after a workout with the Celtics today)
Players I did not see:
Chris Otule was in class
Frozena couldn't make it.
Vander - he's probably in San Antonio (I heard Buzz talking about him)
Crowder
Newbill
Smith
Gardner
is that tokoto???
Yep!
Yes, that is Tokoto, and it's great to see that he was on campus!
Great to see JP is on campus. For my money, every minute he spends around Buzz pushes him closer to signing with us (no matter what our chances are). Hopefully they will build a relationship. This extra face time is something that Bill Self and Roy Williams can't compete with.
Although, since JP slipped to #23 in the recent 2012 ESPN Super 60, do we even want him anymore??
Quote from: MarkCharles on June 23, 2010, 11:15:01 PM
Great to see JP is on campus. For my money, every minute he spends around Buzz pushes him closer to signing with us (no matter what our chances are). Hopefully they will build a relationship. This extra face time is something that Bill Self and Roy Williams can't compete with.
Although, since JP slipped to #23 in the recent 2012 ESPN Super 60, do we even want him anymore??
teal?
Quote from: MUCam on June 24, 2010, 06:24:01 AM
Do you really need teal?
No, what I really would like, though, is disrepectful posts that can turn recruits off to be made in private, sarcastic or not.
Still not buying that it is a given that Tokoto will go to UNC or Duke, as some have suggested here.
Buzz is doing absolutely the right thing by keeping up the contact with this guy. As long as some have the attitude that a top 25 kid in our backyard will not go to MU, there will continue to be low expectations.
We need to land somebody in our backyard like Tokoto to silence those that give up too easy.
Quote from: willie warrior on June 24, 2010, 08:24:39 AM
Still not buying that it is a given that Tokoto will go to UNC or Duke, as some have suggested here.
Buzz is doing absolutely the right thing by keeping up the contact with this guy. As long as some have the attitude that a top 25 kid in our backyard will not go to MU, there will continue to be low expectations.
We need to land somebody in our backyard like Tokoto to silence those that give up too easy.
I agree.
QuoteStill not buying that it is a given that Tokoto will go to UNC or Duke, as some have suggested here.
Buzz is doing absolutely the right thing by keeping up the contact with this guy. As long as some have the attitude that a top 25 kid in our backyard will not go to MU, there will continue to be low expectations.
We need to land somebody in our backyard like Tokoto to silence those that give up too easy.
Entirely agree. If we can't land the guys in our backyard or even a couple solid Chicago area recruits that doesn't bode well. That way if Buzz continues his great recruiting and it begins to cover the area, recruits will immediately list MU.
Quote from: willie warrior on June 24, 2010, 08:24:39 AM
Still not buying that it is a given that Tokoto will go to UNC or Duke, as some have suggested here.
Buzz is doing absolutely the right thing by keeping up the contact with this guy. As long as some have the attitude that a top 25 kid in our backyard will not go to MU, there will continue to be low expectations.
We need to land somebody in our backyard like Tokoto to silence those that give up too easy.
Good post. Getting Vander proved Buzz can seal the in-state recruit. As much as Tokoto has been linked with the big boys, he'd have a chance to shine here, and when Lazar gets drafted tonight, it'll give us a pretty solid foundation of sending players to the NBA. No reason JP can't follow in that line from Marquette.
Let's not forget JP also spent Selection Sunday with the Marquette team. I really think that while we might not be the only team on his list, we're probably in the top 3-4 schools courting him.
Quote from: MUCam on June 24, 2010, 06:24:01 AM
Do you really need teal?
Since he asked the question, I think the answer is "yes." I've seen much more idiodic thoughts posted here before that were completely serious.
Quote from: MarkCharles on June 23, 2010, 11:15:01 PM
Great to see JP is on campus. For my money, every minute he spends around Buzz pushes him closer to signing with us (no matter what our chances are). Hopefully they will build a relationship. This extra face time is something that Bill Self and Roy Williams can't compete with.
Although, since JP slipped to #23 in the recent 2012 ESPN Super 60, do we even want him anymore??
Good post until the inclusion of the sarcastic comment about JP slipping to #23 - of course 95 out of 100 people would know you are kidding (and hopefully in those 95 - all of JP's inner circle..if they read these boards). It is hard not to be moved/impressed through interaction with Buzz. Between this type of visit by JP, as well as being at Selection Sunday - he's getting a great feel for the culture of the program. My guess is that we end up in his final 3 with UNC and Duke/UW. I wouldn't bet against Buzz - he's too good of coach/leader and mentor to young men to discount. Truth be told - and I don't say this as a homer...I've always felt Roy Williams comes off a little fake..or too aww shucksey...plus..he didn't exactly guide last year's ultra talented UNC team to a good year..(but he does have the UNC brand and a National Championship to point to!)
Roy and Coach K can let their reputations, records and programs speak for themselves. Simply put, they both offer JP the opportunity to join the most respected programs in all of basketball. I like that they're both in the mix. If only one was chasing him, it'd be a pretty easy choice vs the rest of the field? With both of them offering shades of the same experience, there's a chance of the decision getting tougher.
I would suspect that the beauty of Buzz's pitch is that he can position Marquette as a challenger brand. The elite schools are the easy choice. They're the safe pick. It gives Buzz a chance to listen, learn and define Marquette as a different kind of choice. Marquette is the one that deals more in making men than making basketball players.
I don't know if Buzz will be able to persuade him that Marquette offers something more. But his style - Buzz consistently connects with people by changing the frame of reference - gives him a chance.
If Buzz gets another top 25 recruiting class in 2011, Tokoto would have the chance to come in and do something very, very special at Marquette. The chance to really make some noise in his home town has to be appealing. Plus, one advantage of going to UNC is getting worked in practice, and Marquette definitely already has wings that will push him to be a better player in practice.
Quote from: nycwarrior on June 24, 2010, 09:38:19 AM
I don't know if Buzz will be able to persuade him that Marquette offers something more. But his style - Buzz consistently connects with people by changing the frame of reference - gives him a chance.
+1 - well said
Quote from: willie warrior on June 24, 2010, 08:24:39 AM
Still not buying that it is a given that Tokoto will go to UNC or Duke, as some have suggested here.
Buzz is doing absolutely the right thing by keeping up the contact with this guy. As long as some have the attitude that a top 25 kid in our backyard will not go to MU, there will continue to be low expectations.
We need to land somebody in our backyard like Tokoto to silence those that give up too easy.
I think we are right in there for him. If was was uninterested, not likely he keeps showing up at events. I think Buzz is doing a great job with JP and his family.
It's not just Buzz who's doing the recruiting. Getting JP to form bonds with the players is a big key as well. If JP likes the guys on the team and gets the impression that they love being at MU and playing for Buzz, it could mean a lot more than a coach simply trying to sell him on the program.
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on June 24, 2010, 10:39:32 AM
It's not just Buzz who's doing the recruiting. Getting JP to form bonds with the players is a big key as well. If JP likes the guys on the team and gets the impression that they love being at MU and playing for Buzz, it could mean a lot more than a coach simply trying to sell him on the the program.
+1000 - great point.
Quote from: damuts222 on June 24, 2010, 08:39:43 AM
Entirely agree. If we can't land the guys in our backyard or even a couple solid Chicago area recruits that doesn't bode well. That way if Buzz continues his great recruiting and it begins to cover the area, recruits will immediately list MU.
UW-madison fans are likely saying the exact same thing
Quote from: nycwarrior on June 24, 2010, 09:38:19 AMI don't know if Buzz will be able to persuade him that Marquette offers something more. But his style - Buzz consistently connects with people by changing the frame of reference - gives him a chance.
Buzz said something along these lines last night at the BBQ. He said he doesn't want recruits to Marquette because of the Big East or ESPN or the McGuire Center. He wants them to pick Marquette because of the knowledge that they're going to be better prepared for the rest of their life by going to school at Marquette.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on June 24, 2010, 12:10:40 PM
UW-madison fans are likely saying the exact same thing
Maybe, but they're local (and overall) recruiting of late has been waning even as ours has been waxing (see Vander Blue as the most recent example). The common perception is that Bo started out with a big edge on Buzz with this kid and I believe that to be the case. Add UNC and Duke to the mix and we're viewed as a distant 4th for him. I think we're #2 behind UNC right now and would be very surprised to lose him to UW.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on June 24, 2010, 12:43:12 PM
Maybe, but they're local (and overall) recruiting of late has been waning even as ours has been waxing (see Vander Blue as the most recent example). The common perception is that Bo started out with a big edge on Buzz with this kid and I believe that to be the case. Add UNC and Duke to the mix and we're viewed as a distant 4th for him. I think we're #2 behind UNC right now and would be very surprised to lose him to UW.
We have won exactly one battle with Bo over an in-state prospect the last few years. (Blue) Generally we don't go head to head with him over many people. We had no interest in Gasser...they had no interest in Buycks. But I think it would be pre-mature to suggest we are overtaking UW in the local recruiting battles.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on June 24, 2010, 12:56:15 PM
We have won exactly one battle with Bo over an in-state prospect the last few years. (Blue) Generally we don't go head to head with him over many people. We had no interest in Gasser...they had no interest in Buycks. But I think it would be pre-mature to suggest we are overtaking UW in the local recruiting battles.
JayMay?
UW was never really recruiting him...for reasons we found out later.
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on June 24, 2010, 10:39:32 AM
It's not just Buzz who's doing the recruiting. Getting JP to form bonds with the players is a big key as well. If JP likes the guys on the team and gets the impression that they love being at MU and playing for Buzz, it could mean a lot more than a coach simply trying to sell him on the program.
You mean EXACTLY like what happened with Blue last year?
If you look at the top-10 recruits from each of the last ten years, not every one of them goes to UCLA, UNC, Duke & IU (even though it is Indiana). In fact, there are quite a few "no-name" colleges (from the perspective of those four) up and down those lists. 95% of time, they are hometown or close-to-homes.
JP will do [the State of] Wisconsin proud wherever he goes. But even if he were #1 in his class, Buzz still has the same chance as Roy, K, Tan, or Wooden's Shadow.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on June 24, 2010, 12:56:15 PM
We have won exactly one battle with Bo over an in-state prospect the last few years. (Blue) Generally we don't go head to head with him over many people. We had no interest in Gasser...they had no interest in Buycks. But I think it would be pre-mature to suggest we are overtaking UW in the local recruiting battles.
It's been 6 years, but Matthews should count considering he was located in Madison. I also think Christopherson was being recruited by UW.
Quote from: OhioGoldenEagle on June 24, 2010, 03:03:11 PM
It's been 6 years, but Matthews should count considering he was located in Madison.
And Marcus Landry was in the same class and from Milwaukee.
Lets not forget MU lost out on Brian Butch.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on June 24, 2010, 03:04:30 PM
And Marcus Landry was in the same class and from Milwaukee.
I think the suggestion was that we always lose the recruits to the BADgers Landry would not be an example Wes would.
Quote from: PBRme on June 24, 2010, 03:16:31 PM
I think the suggestion was that we always lose the recruits to the BADgers Landry would not be an example Wes would.
Sometimes I wonder what people read. The argument was that UW's local recruiting was "waning" while MU's was "waxing" based on the Blue decision. I pointed out that, while they rarely go head-to-head over local prospects, MU has "recently" won only one of those battles.
And if he wants to count Matthews as recent...he should count Landry too.
And I most certainly never said "we always lose the recruits to the Badgers."
I believe both teams have won a few battles head-to-head in the last 10 yrs:
UW - Butch, Nankivil, Landry
MU - Blue, Matthews, Christopherson
I'd give the edge to MU but not by a ton.
I'm not sure sure any of the others were recruited by both teams. Shaw and Tokoto will be the next two.
From what I witnessed last night, JP was very comfortable around Buzz and the current team. Buzz jokingly asked him if he had added any muscle and told him to stop by any time.
I wouldn't bet against Buzz.
Quote from: ATWizJr on June 24, 2010, 07:56:47 AM
No, what I really would like, though, is disrepectful posts that can turn recruits off to be made in private, sarcastic or not.
OK, just to be clear for everyone, my last sentence was indeed sarcastic. I highly doubt anyone didn't get that, although I doubt even more that JP or any other recruit would be influenced by people here if they even know this site exists. Just in case though, Jean-Pierre, I hope you weren't offended by my "disrespectful" comment and will still consider coming to MU.
It's been interesting split, but my memory (someone can and most certainly will correct me if it's wrong) was like this
UW-madison and MU went after these kids
Travis Diener - MU (though Dick Bennett didn't think he would be a prime Big Ten player)
Scott Merritt - MU
Steve Novak - MU
Brian Butch - UW-madison
Greg Stiemsma - UW-madison
Wes Matthews - MU
Marcus Landry - UW-madison
Keenan Nankivil - UW-madison
Vander Blue - MU
Evan Anderson - UW-madison
Now someone will probably say that any number of the above players one party wasn't that interested or only gave a mild interest. In some cases one of the schools was eliminated very early so it appeared no recruiting battle existed, but that doesn't mean both schools didn't want the players. I'm just going off memory.
Quote from: Ners on June 24, 2010, 08:55:04 AM
Truth be told - and I don't say this as a homer...I've always felt Roy Williams comes off a little fake..or too aww shucksey...plus..he didn't exactly guide last year's ultra talented UNC team to a good year..(but he does have the UNC brand and a National Championship to point to!)
I completely agree about Roy Williams. Is it just me, or did his accent get about 1000% more southern twang once he went to UNC? Its really hard to believe the false modesty and self-deprication from a guy whose resume can only be matched by about 6 or 7 coaches in college history.
It must be sweet to be JP though, he goes to a BBQ for some free food, and we all salivate. I go to a BBQ for some free food, and I get stopped to pay...
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on June 24, 2010, 04:01:40 PM
Travis Diener - MU (though Dick Bennett didn't think he would be a prime Big Ten player)
Scott Merritt - MU
Steve Novak - MU
Brian Butch - UW-madison
Greg Stiemsma - UW-madison
Wes Matthews - MU
Marcus Landry - UW-madison
Keenan Nankivil - UW-madison
Vander Blue - MU
Evan Anderson - UW-madison
I'd take our 5 against their 5 any day of the week.
On a side note, Bo's recruiting has really started to slip. There is a fallacy out there that Bo always won with guys that weren't talented, but that is simply not the case.
| Year | 4 stars+ | Total Recruits |
| 02 3 5 |
| 03 1 3 |
| 04 1 3 |
| 05 2 4 |
| 06 2 3 |
| 07 2 3 |
| 08 2 5 |
| 09 0 2 |
| 10 1 4 |
| 11 0 3 |
| 12 0 1 |
Over ther first 7 years, 50% of all players UW recruited were 4 stars or above (according to scout). Thus far for the 09-12 classes, only 1 in 10 is a 4 star (Anderson, haha). Now, we all know recruiting rankings aren't the end all-be all but this is pretty interesting to note.
Back on topic, I won't count Buzz out on getting JP until he makes his decision known.
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I was told Mader was there as well....6'10 guy from appleton. This article says he is leaning towards Marquette, if he receives an offer. I say "if" because the other two schools he is hearing from are Indiana St. and Milwaukee.
<http://www.wissports.net/sports/hoopsb/blog/message.aspx?f=123&id=1144310>
Quote from: jmayer1 on June 24, 2010, 04:23:19 PM
I'd take our 5 against their 5 any day of the week.
On a side note, Bo's recruiting has really started to slip. There is a fallacy out there that Bo always won with guys that weren't talented, but that is simply not the case.
| Year | 4 stars+ | Total Recruits |
| 02 3 5 |
| 03 1 3 |
| 04 1 3 |
| 05 2 4 |
| 06 2 3 |
| 07 2 3 |
| 08 2 5 |
| 09 0 2 |
| 10 1 4 |
| 11 0 3 |
| 12 0 1 |
Over ther first 7 years, 50% of all players UW recruited were 4 stars or above (according to scout). Thus far for the 09-12 classes, only 1 in 10 is a 4 star (Anderson, haha). Now, we all know recruiting rankings aren't the end all-be all but this is pretty interesting to note.
Back on topic, I won't count Buzz out on getting JP until he makes his decision known.
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This was the point I was trying (admittedly inarticulately) to make. Wisconsin's recruiting in the last few years has dropped off. Marquette's is on the upswing. In any head to head battle where the schools start on even remotely even footing, I like Buzz's chances.
Quote from: MarkCharles on June 24, 2010, 04:07:09 PM
Is it just me, or did his accent get about 1000% more southern twang once he went to UNC? Its really hard to believe the false modesty and self-deprication from a guy whose resume can only be matched by about 6 or 7 coaches in college history.
Nope, its definitely not just you - though Roy was born in NC, he certainly didn't sound the part when coaching Kansas..now that he's back in NC, he's really rediscovered his twang. Also his aww schucksy bit has gotten a little annoying too. Buzz reminds me of a combo of Jimmy Johnson/Bill Parcells...charismatic, great at understanding human psyche, intelligent, disciplinarian...a leader of man..or a man's man. I believe most players select a school to play at due to the head coach, first and foremost..and then other factors such as TV exposure, NBA track record, conference affiliation, campus environment, etc. I like that Buzz is our Coach..my belief is that he will land a Top 30 kid or two almost every year moving forward..particularily if the Big East remains in tact.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on June 24, 2010, 04:01:40 PM
It's been interesting split, but my memory (someone can and most certainly will correct me if it's wrong) was like this
UW-madison and MU went after these kids
Travis Diener - MU (though Dick Bennett didn't think he would be a prime Big Ten player)
Scott Merritt - MU
Steve Novak - MU
Brian Butch - UW-madison
Greg Stiemsma - UW-madison
Wes Matthews - MU
Marcus Landry - UW-madison
Keenan Nankivil - UW-madison
Vander Blue - MU
Evan Anderson - UW-madison
Now someone will probably say that any number of the above players one party wasn't that interested or only gave a mild interest. In some cases one of the schools was eliminated very early so it appeared no recruiting battle existed, but that doesn't mean both schools didn't want the players. I'm just going off memory.
Crean went hard after Mike Wilkinson and also recruited Devin Harris.
Quote from: Ners on June 24, 2010, 05:02:32 PM
Nope, its definitely not just you - though Roy was born in NC, he certainly didn't sound the part when coaching Kansas..now that he's back in NC, he's really rediscovered his twang. Also his aww schucksy bit has gotten a little annoying too. Buzz reminds me of a combo of Jimmy Johnson/Bill Parcells...charismatic, great at understanding human psyche, intelligent, disciplinarian...a leader of man..or a man's man. I believe most players select a school to play at due to the head coach, first and foremost..and then other factors such as TV exposure, NBA track record, conference affiliation, campus environment, etc. I like that Buzz is our Coach..my belief is that he will land a Top 30 kid or two almost every year moving forward..particularily if the Big East remains in tact.
I was lucky enough to spend a fair amount of time with Dean Smith and Roy Williams. Just because Buzz preaches the way he does (and I'm fine with that) doesn't mean those that don't preach, don't teach the same things. In my opinion, Dean Smith and Roy Williams are two of the classiest coaches around, and UNC is lucky to have both. There was a video on here a few days ago where Buzz explains how he talks different to kids than he does in a formal setting. Seems odd to criticize a coach based on his twang...especially when Buzz admits to doing something similar.
Quote from: avid1010 on June 24, 2010, 05:57:42 PM
I was lucky enough to spend a fair amount of time with Dean Smith and Roy Williams. Just because Buzz preaches the way he does (and I'm fine with that) doesn't mean those that don't preach, don't teach the same things. In my opinion, Dean Smith and Roy Williams are two of the classiest coaches around, and UNC is lucky to have both. There was a video on here a few days ago where Buzz explains how he talks different to kids than he does in a formal setting. Seems odd to criticize a coach based on his twang...especially when Buzz admits to doing something similar.
Fair enough - Buzz was referring to the type of language he uses when speaking to kids (not the accent with which he says what he says.) My only issue with Roy has been that he sure seemed to kick in the NC twang once he got back to NC. Buzz has a twang because he's from Texas - you don't hear Buzz trying to talk like he's from Wisconsin...Roy..on the other hand wasn't nearly as twang and aww shucksy at Kansas. Not a big deal really - guess it was just more of an annoyance. Can't argue with Roy's results.
UW also won the "battle" for JP Gavinski.
Sometimes when you lose....you really win.
I don't think UW went after Merritt. They may have recruited him but I don't think they ever offered.
QuoteTruth be told - and I don't say this as a homer...I've always felt Roy Williams comes off a little fake..or too aww shucksey...plus..he didn't exactly guide last year's ultra talented UNC team to a good year..(but he does have the UNC brand and a National Championship to point to!)
QuoteI completely agree about Roy Williams. Is it just me, or did his accent get about 1000% more southern twang once he went to UNC? Its really hard to believe the false modesty and self-deprication (sic) from a guy whose resume can only be matched by about 6 or 7 coaches in college history.
As someone with connections to both schools I can assure you that Roy is as genuine and and as fine a man as you would ever hope to have coaching your son. He is truly modest and self deprecating, is deeply religious and is hardly ever heard uttering anything stronger than "gosh darn." This past season was very tough on him and the fact that he still coached while in great pain after having his shoulder surgery says a lot about the man. Roy had a very tough childhood growing up in the home of an extremely abusive father and for him to become the man he did is a testament to his faith and to his personal strength. Read his new autobiography and you'll not speak ill of him again.
His reputation for being a milk and cookies coach is well deserved and his home is always open to current and former players for Wanda's famous chocolate chip cookies. Every December he has the best Chapel Hill men's clothing store open early one morning and his assistant coaches and staff are given free reign to shop to their hearts content as their Christmas present from him.
K may be a good coach but he can't even be compared to Roy or Dean when it comes to character, compassion and genuine humanity.
As far as accent goes, when I lived in Milwaukee while attending MU, I picked up the Wisconsin elongated "O", and was teased by friends back in Ohio about my "Wisconsin accent." Twenty-five years ago I traveled to West Texas for business for several years and I would be gone for a week at a time. When I got home my wife would tell me to lose the drawl.....my point being that if you're around it long enough, old accents return and new accents develop.
And yes, he does have TWO national championships in five years to point to....
Quote from: texaswarrior74 on June 24, 2010, 07:22:29 PM
K may be a good coach but he can't even be compared to Roy or Dean when it comes to character, compassion and genuine humanity.
What are you basing this pretty damning opinion on again? You've met coach K?
Lived and worked in NC....at Duke Med... been to games at Cameron and the Dean Dome....K is foul mouthed, abrasive and abusive and most of his players can't wait to leave. Unlike UNC, they don't come back summer after summer to play pick up with the new kids or make their presence felt on campus. In short, their is no such thing as a "Duke family."
K is highly disliked in and around the RDU area (with the obvious exception being in Durham) and in NC in general. Both he and his wife (also with the mouth of a truck driver) have zero presence in the community...anything he does is calculated to make him look better and were it not for his pal Dickie V he'd have very few friends in the coaching fraternity.
His national public persona is nothing like the real person....you can question me all you want but if you know the area, Durham and Chapel Hill are eight miles apart and growing together. Durham is the gang capital of NC and outside of Duke has little else to recommend it. Chapel Hill is quaint and maybe the quintessential college town, is highly educated with more PH.D's per capita than anywhere in the US and a great place to live. Most people who work at Duke spend most of their leisure time in Chapel Hill either for dining or shopping. K is on record as saying that he has never been to Chapel Hill other than for games in all the years he has been at Duke.
Lastly, two years ago, Eve Carson, the UNC student body president and a very close friend of my son was kidnapped and brutally murdered by two Durham gang members shortly before the UNC/Duke game at Cameron. The Duke student body organized an event to honor her memory prior to the game and gave away Carolina Blue ribbons to everyone at the game. The Duke and UNC players in a rare pregame ceremony both went to center court and honored her....the entire Duke team and coaching staff wore the blue ribbons...that is, except for K....he refused to wear anything that was Carolina blue .....
What few non-Duke fans he had in the state he lost that night. Do your homework and read local (Carolina) press and blogs....the man is for the most par reviled....with good reason.
It's not damning when it's true.....
Some anecdotes from Carolina....... you can find things that make coach K look like a saint in the media as well. Unless you've met the man and gotten to know him......who knows what these guys are really like away from the court.
coach k is a saint:
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/columns/story?columnist=katz_andy&id=4961273
Hardly anecdotes.....and believe what you want to believe but don't vilify me for telling you what people who live in NC think about the guy....
.....the man has zero involvement in the community or in the state.....it's like he's only there to coach and couldn't care less about the state or its people.
I've lived there, my son went to school there....and will probably move back when he finishes med school. K is an outsider except in the Duke basketball world.....sure he gets involved in Dickie V and ESPN's events to honor Valvano but locally he never uses his position for anything that would/could benefit the state or the community.....he can't gain national notoriety or acclaim for it so it doesn't happen.
On the other hand Roy and Dean are very visible giving time and effort to support numerous local and state charities and organizations....
.....watch what they do, not what they say or what others say about them.
Glad you speak for the entire state. However, please exclude me from that all-inclusive trashing of someone I've also never met but have not heard bad things about. I'll check with a few co-workers tomorrow, but I think they would like to not be generalized in the Coach K hatefest either.
Here's another particularly damning article:
http://www.dailypress.com/sports/dp-spt_krzyzewski_0311mar11,0,7690879.story?page=1
I was catching up on videos from MU Athletics' YouTube account when I saw the video from Buzz's BBQ.
http://www.youtube.com/user/muathletics#p/u/0/vYNNkcCfn40
That was Mark Harris shooting the FT at :31, right?
Quote from: jmayer1 on June 24, 2010, 04:23:19 PM
I'd take our 5 against their 5 any day of the week.
On a side note, Bo's recruiting has really started to slip. There is a fallacy out there that Bo always won with guys that weren't talented, but that is simply not the case.
| Year | 4 stars+ | Total Recruits |
| 02 3 5 |
| 03 1 3 |
| 04 1 3 |
| 05 2 4 |
| 06 2 3 |
| 07 2 3 |
| 08 2 5 |
| 09 0 2 |
| 10 1 4 |
| 11 0 3 |
| 12 0 1 |
Over ther first 7 years, 50% of all players UW recruited were 4 stars or above (according to scout). Thus far for the 09-12 classes, only 1 in 10 is a 4 star (Anderson, haha). Now, we all know recruiting rankings aren't the end all-be all but this is pretty interesting to note.
Back on topic, I won't count Buzz out on getting JP until he makes his decision known.
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If you buy into the hype of recruiting stars, yes. At the end of the day, Wisconsin-madison keeps winning and winning a lot, even without 4 and 5 star players. That's ultimately what it's all about, IMO.
Quote from: texaswarrior74 on June 24, 2010, 07:49:53 PM
K is highly disliked in and around the RDU area (with the obvious exception being in Durham) and in NC in general. Both he and his wife (also with the mouth of a truck driver) have zero presence in the community...anything he does is calculated to make him look better and were it not for his pal Dickie V he'd have very few friends in the coaching fraternity.
How much of this is because he's at the "private, rich kid school" and not at the main public university in the state?
I don't know, I'm just asking. Here in L.A., there is the USC thing due to the private/rich nonsense. Same thing at Marquette. It seemed that way to me when I was in Carolina regarding Duke \ UNC.
http://spectator.org/archives/2010/04/08/how-can-anyone-hate-coach-krz
Quote from: 77ncaachamps on June 25, 2010, 12:15:35 AM
I was catching up on videos from MU Athletics' YouTube account when I saw the video from Buzz's BBQ.
http://www.youtube.com/user/muathletics#p/u/0/vYNNkcCfn40
That was Mark Harris shooting the FT at :31, right?
Yes..that was Mark Harris - with his hair Fro'ed out. Mark was a good dude..we'd hoop together alot, and hang.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on June 25, 2010, 12:26:06 AM
If you buy into the hype of recruiting stars, yes. At the end of the day, Wisconsin-madison keeps winning and winning a lot, even without 4 and 5 star players. That's ultimately what it's all about, IMO.
Actually I think the point is that through 2008 Wisconsin was very successful recruiting 4 star players (+ one 5 star). Their recruiting has fallen off since then and should start showing up in their record in the next year or two. If they're still an upper - echelon team in 2012 you'll be right. If they slip a bit the scouts will be.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on June 25, 2010, 12:28:49 AM
How much of this is because he's at the "private, rich kid school" and not at the main public university in the state?
I don't know, I'm just asking. Here in L.A., there is the USC thing due to the private/rich nonsense. Same thing at Marquette. It seemed that way to me when I was in Carolina regarding Duke \ UNC.
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Spend some time on the Duke campus, and you'll quickly see that the campus itself is divided. I've never seen such self segregation as on the Duke campus. I have a friend that is part of the Duke medical school, an individual who I admire greatly, and he has a hard time with much of what goes on at Duke and more of a hard time with Coach K. In comparing Duke to other prominent private universities, Duke's issues seem to be much more noticable, so I'm not sure a USC and MU comparison makes sense. That stigma certainly exists, but I think it may exist because of schools like Duke.
I've never viewed Bobby Knight or Coach K. as classy individuals, and I've always thought Smith and Williams were. I've heard the good stuff about Coach K. as well, and he's far from the devil, just has a bit of Bobby Knight in him in my opinion.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on June 25, 2010, 12:26:06 AM
If you buy into the hype of recruiting stars, yes. At the end of the day, Wisconsin-madison keeps winning and winning a lot, even without 4 and 5 star players. That's ultimately what it's all about, IMO.
As Lenny said, that point was the complete opposite of what I posted. UW-Madison has been winning because they have had a lot of talented kids over the last decade. It now appears that they aren't getting the same types of player to come in and it will be interesting to how that translates to the court.
Everyone knows that ranking recruits is an inexact science but there is generally a very, very, very high correlation between a team's record and the how the players were rated coming out of hs/juco. Cracked Sidewalks has had numerous posts to show this to be true.
Look at MU, most of our best players have been pretty highly rated.
Quote from: jmayer1 on June 25, 2010, 10:31:57 AM
As Lenny said, that point was the complete opposite of what I posted. UW-Madison has been winning because they have had a lot of talented kids over the last decade. It now appears that they aren't getting the same types of player to come in and it will be interesting to how that translates to the court.
Everyone knows that ranking recruits is an inexact science but there is generally a very, very, very high correlation between a team's record and the how the players were rated coming out of hs/juco. Cracked Sidewalks has had numerous posts to show this to be true.
Look at MU, most of our best players have been pretty highly rated.
It will be interesting to see then, if UW-madison takes a tumble over the next few years. I suspect the SUM OF THE PARTS argument resonates with me more than others.
Krabbenhoft was a five star on rivals and ranked evenly with Blue: http://rivals.yahoo.com/basketballrecruiting/basketball/recruiting/player-Joe-Krabbenhoft-21381
Butch was top ten: http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketball/recruiting/player-Brian-Butch-6251
Hughes was a 4 star: http://basketballrecruiting.rivals.com/bviewplayer.asp?Player=75455
Bohannon was a four star: http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketball/recruiting/player-Jason-Bohannon-26535
Those guys all played together if I remember correctly. Two five stars and two four stars are not bad to have out there. I think this is the team MU beat at Madison too.
Bo has had talent. He has Luer still this year who was a four star and Nankivil who was a four star. Players make great coaches, but Bo has had a good amount of talent. It is enough to keep a team consistently in the top 25 too.
Bo is a good coach, but he is not taking intramural frat boy teams to the NCAA tournament.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on June 25, 2010, 12:25:38 PM
It will be interesting to see then, if UW-madison takes a tumble over the next few years. I suspect the SUM OF THE PARTS argument resonates with me more than others.
I agree. They'll still have quite a bit of talent next year (Leuer, Taylor, Nankovil) but it will be interesting to see the year after that. In the past they have continually replaced departing talent with the next wave of guys. However, right now it seems like the next wave of guys aren't quite as talented, in terms of recruiting rankings, as the guys they are replacing. We shall see.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on June 25, 2010, 12:26:06 AM
If you buy into the hype of recruiting stars, yes. At the end of the day, Wisconsin-madison keeps winning and winning a lot, even without 4 and 5 star players. That's ultimately what it's all about, IMO.
Yes they have been winning and winning a lot but UW's best success was when their roster was full of highly rated players. We will see how good they are now when their roster has average talent and little to no 4 star talent but back in 2004-05 they made the Elite 8 when they had a roster full of highly rated players. In 2006-07 they achieved their first #1 ranking in school history with a roster full of top 100 players in Landry, Hughes, Bohannan, Butch, Tucker, Krabbenhoft and Stiemsma (was considered top 10 his soph year, don't know final ranking, also I don't know if Kam Taylor was a top 100 recruit). Either way that is some great talent that UW no longer has. Recruiting stars do matter even to UW.