..."multiple sources told CBSSports.com the NCAA is in the process of trying to hire a current or former college basketball coach -- or coaches -- to aid investigations and thwart cheating. The sources said the NCAA wants somebody who can help address real problems with specific names and faces, that the NCAA wants somebody who can tell them who does what and how they do it. So the NCAA essentially wants to hire rats. I say good for the NCAA...."
(not without precedent --FDR wanted Joe Kennedy, the trickiest Wall Streeter to be first head of SEC)
so...
Who should the NCAA hire, among the current or former coaches, who'd best know all the tricks, scams, and dirty deal methods?
Calipari, Kelvin Sampson, Dana Kirk, Jerry Tarkanian, Steve Fischer, Jim Harrick, Huggins, Todd Bozeman, Tim Floyd, ...many others, lots to choose from
world wide wes.
Calipari jumps right to the front of my mind.
Man, that is a great list!
Tarkanian would have been the best, but he has been out of the picture for a long time.
Currently, the best ones would be Calimari, Thuggins, and maybe Kelvin Sampson.
there won't be a shortage of these hackers !! sampson, tim floyd, huggins(pre-west virginia), tc(after this year's losing season-he's getting desparate) ;D
I hear Brian Wardle is pretty slippery.
Quote from: wyzgy on June 23, 2010, 09:00:03 AM
there won't be a shortage of these hackers !! sampson, tim floyd, huggins(pre-west virginia), tc(after this year's losing season-he's getting desparate) ;D
Thad Motta.
Quote from: TomW1365 on June 23, 2010, 09:00:37 AM
I hear Brian Wardle is pretty slippery.
really? brian wardle?? i followed his career here and he seemed like everyone's all american kid. all around nice guy. like if you had a daughter, you'd want him as a son-in-law kind of thing
Quote from: wyzgy on June 23, 2010, 09:13:34 AM
really? brian wardle?? i followed his career here and he seemed like everyone's all american kid. all around nice guy. like if you had a daughter, you'd want him as a son-in-law kind of thing
He's being sarcastic by using that teal color (which is a silly thing used by posters on this board).
While I think it's a good idea on the NCAA's part (this kind of thing happens a lot - masgicians are hired to see through the wonders of mediums etc). - I hate to see some of these coaches get rewarded for their previous unsavory behavior.
Huggins isn't dirty. He may recruit players who have questionable backgrounds but he isn't dirty.
Bob Huggins has helped many young men get to a point most never thought possible.
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on June 23, 2010, 09:04:23 AM
Thad Motta.
+1
Ohio State never gets enough "credit" for having an incredibly dirty athletic program.
While it seems obvious to choose the big names that got caught, they would be of limited use. What the NCAA needs is an insider who knows what goes on
Seriously, what could the NCAA learn from Sampson at this point? Check phone logs more carefully? Look for personal cell phone accounts? They already know how to find out the types of things Samspon did. Ditto with Calipari, Huggins, etc.
Plus, those guys are removed from the real sausage making. Its the assistants that know the real score. My bet is that the top recruiting assistants have secrets that they never tell the head coach--people they work with, how they "compensate" handlers, etc.
What they really need is an insider who knows all the ins and outs but hasn't been caught yet. Not saying they need to find a guy who's guilty, but my sense is that Calipari, Huggins, Tark, etc. are too far removed from the day-to-day process to know the real dirt on what goes on.
Find an assistant who's put in years working the camps, AAU circuit, coaching seminars, etc. They're the ones who really know what's going on
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on June 23, 2010, 12:44:12 PM
+1 Ohio State never gets enough "credit" for having an incredibly dirty athletic program.
A colleague employed at the OSU related to me that there is a stench emanating from the fotball locker room which has university administrators concerned. I am told this stew may take a while to boil over but that Mr Tressel is under increased scrutiny.
Stu Jackson....and I'm not kidding. He can start with the Rashard Griffith issue and go from there. Incidentally, I sat about 4 seats away from him during Game 6 of the NBA Finals and should have said something to him....probably won't get that chance again. Grrrr.
Any pick from a list of 85% of college basketball coaches....it's that rampant as Buzz noted in LA.
Quote from: Stone Cold on June 23, 2010, 03:45:54 PM
Any pick from a list of 85% of college basketball coaches....it's that rampant as Buzz noted in LA.
The guy that broke the USC Reggie Bush story puts the number closer to 95%
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on June 23, 2010, 03:58:11 PM
The guy that broke the USC Reggie Bush story puts the number closer to 95%
Wouldn't doubt it. These men are fighting for six/seven figure salaries with an incompetent or uninterested governing entity. Not that dissimilar to the Wall St corruption we see at times.
speak of the devil
http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=5289901&categoryid=2378529
Quote from: Stone Cold on June 23, 2010, 04:03:29 PM
Wouldn't doubt it. These men are fighting for six/seven figure salaries with an incompetent or uninterested governing entity. Not that dissimilar to the Wall St corruption we see at times.
Maybe I'm too close to the NCAA at times, but in my mind it's a matter resources. Yes, the NCAA takes in a ton of money from the basketball contract, but most of it goes right back out the door to the schools. They don't have very many investigators, but even when they have ramped up in that area they are still hogtied because they have no subpoena power. With approximately 1,200 NCAA schools in Divisions I - III, it's an impossible task to monitor them all.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on June 23, 2010, 05:14:52 PM
it's a matter resources.
This is correct. I had a friend who worked for the NCAA Compliance team in KC. He was one of five investigators who policed all of college football. Five. The Medicine Hat PD has more manpower and we have far fewer cheats and scofflaws (even on a payday Friday night in the oil patch) than NCAA football.
I agree. The Ncaa pushes for self policing, compliance and imposition of penalties. Further shifting of risk to the violators would help.
When ncaa does have to chase a case, why not impose all costs of the investigation, on the school?
Why not fine coaches for program/compliance violations?
Why not "athletics" licensing?
A simple one week course/exam/backround check qualifies one for an NCAA athletics "license"...which may be exposed to suspension/loss on misconduct.
In my work, and in others who must be licensed, we take our license and right to a continued livelihood more seriously viz any issue leading to a hint of suspension, reprimand, or even a grievance filing
Quote from: houwarrior on June 23, 2010, 06:07:42 AM
Who should the NCAA hire, among the current or former coaches, who'd best know all the tricks, scams, and dirty deal methods?
Calipari, Kelvin Sampson, Dana Kirk, Jerry Tarkanian, Steve Fischer, Jim Harrick, Huggins, Todd Bozeman, Tim Floyd, ...many others, lots to choose from
If Dana Kirk csn find a way to come back from the dead, he would be an amazing hire ::)!
Quote from: Shooter Flatch on June 24, 2010, 08:09:13 AM
If Dana Kirk csn find a way to come back from the dead, he would be an amazing hire ::)!
Dead? lol lol (whoops, sorry-I am working from my old mans dried up memory).
..then again..who knows, maybe hell has Dana on a work furlough program and the NCAA can make a "deal with the devil"...they have done some deals with him, in the past. lol
Bruce Pearl?
Quote from: The Lens on June 23, 2010, 12:05:34 PM
Huggins isn't dirty. He may recruit players who have questionable backgrounds but he isn't dirty.
Bob Huggins has helped many young men get to a point most never thought possible.
The only place Huggins helped young men to a point most never thought possible would be the police line up!
Kelvin Sampson? Calipari? Huggins? Bruce Pearl? Pitino?
The NCAA would have to put up some serious coin to attract someone from that crowd.
Quote from: PBRme on June 24, 2010, 08:46:33 AM
Bruce Pearl?
Bruce can run the "how to tamper with other school's players" seminar.
...and Scott Drew could give a seminar on "How to piss off Texas with negative recruiting, and yet still remain in the same conference with them."