http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/college/texasam/7051484.html
Now THIS would set off an ever bigger chain reaction IMO. Not only will the Pac 16 happen for sure (a 9 team Big 12 won't fly without A&M), but the SEC will have definitely pick off a team from either the Big East or the ACC to get to 14.
This ain't over by a long shot.
If they go to the SEC, Oklahoma will not go too. Oklahoma seems determined to take over A&M's position as the number one duckling following Texas wherever it goes.
So, does the SEC pick off another Big 12 team to get to 14 or do they pick off an ACC team? I keep reading that if the SEC looks to the ACC, they'll take Georgia Tech since Virginia Tech will always be stuck with Virginia.
And if the B10 doesnt poach the BE, the ACC will replace any of its members with BE schools. I would think Syracuse would be at the top of their list followed by Pitt. Rutgers would seem like an odd fit for the ACC.
Quote from: goodgreatgrand on June 13, 2010, 10:47:48 PM
So, does the SEC pick off another Big 12 team to get to 14 or do they pick off an ACC team? I keep reading that if the SEC looks to the ACC, they'll take Georgia Tech since Virginia Tech will always be stuck with Virginia.
And if the B10 doesnt poach the BE, the ACC will replace any of its members with BE schools. I would think Syracuse would be at the top of their list followed by Pitt. Rutgers would seem like an odd fit for the ACC.
I guess it depends how much hope Syracuse, and to a lesser extent Pitt is have for a Big Ten inite. If you're looking for a sure thing, I think West Virginia would jump to the ACC .003 seconds after being asked.
Quote from: chapman on June 13, 2010, 10:57:03 PM
I guess it depends how much hope Syracuse, and to a lesser extent Pitt is have for a Big Ten inite. If you're looking for a sure thing, I think West Virginia would jump to the ACC .003 seconds after being asked.
I agree but I dont think WVU's academics are up to snuff. Plus, Im not sure they add a market thats attractive to the ACC. And Syracuse accepted once before....
Va tech could go to the sec if invited I believe. I ran virginia political campaigns for years, and the legislators and then gov warner made uva go to bat for va tech getting in the acc because they thought the big east would implode and va tech would be an independent. Uva did not want tech in the acc and I don't think the legislators get in the way of an sec invite to va tech, and that gives the sec the dc market and hampton roads, where va tech has huge alumni basis of hundreds of thousands. The sec feels they have florida dominated with the gators, and a and m gives them texas and va tech gives them the north to dc, and frankly in the end noone else adds enough to divide up there current cbs deal with.
Btw, virginia's new governor is a notre dame grad and season ticket holder, and great catholic father of 5, and his wife was a redskins cheerleader, so he is following all this as closely as we are.
Quote from: goodgreatgrand on June 13, 2010, 10:47:48 PM
So, does the SEC pick off another Big 12 team to get to 14 or do they pick off an ACC team? I keep reading that if the SEC looks to the ACC, they'll take Georgia Tech since Virginia Tech will always be stuck with Virginia.
And if the B10 doesnt poach the BE, the ACC will replace any of its members with BE schools. I would think Syracuse would be at the top of their list followed by Pitt. Rutgers would seem like an odd fit for the ACC.
They won't take Georgia Tech. Market overlap.
I predicting that the Pac 10 and SEC end up with 14 teams. There really is no big reason to go to 16. Perhaps Pac 10 felt they needed to invite 5 Big 12 teams to make that conference implode. The most important teams to watch are Virgina Tech and Notre Dame. Notre Dame to Big 10 would mean the Big 10 will go to 14 teams. Virginia Tech going to SEC means they will have to start looking for 1 to 3 teams.
Quote from: bilsu on June 14, 2010, 08:17:07 AM
I predicting that the Pac 10 and SEC end up with 14 teams. There really is no big reason to go to 16. Perhaps Pac 10 felt they needed to invite 5 Big 12 teams to make that conference implode. The most important teams to watch are Virgina Tech and Notre Dame. Notre Dame to Big 10 would mean the Big 10 will go to 14 teams. Virginia Tech going to SEC means they will have to start looking for 1 to 3 teams.
Virginia Tech hasn't been offered anything yet. If A&M goes to the SEC, they want Oklahoma as the 14th member. If OU turns them down then Virginia Tech will be on a short list that will probably include Florida State and Miami.
If A&M turns them down, my guess is that the SEC will stay at 12 for the time being.
By the end of this week, we will know a lot more than we do now.
Quote from: bilsu on June 14, 2010, 08:17:07 AM
I predicting that the Pac 10 and SEC end up with 14 teams. There really is no big reason to go to 16. Perhaps Pac 10 felt they needed to invite 5 Big 12 teams to make that conference implode. The most important teams to watch are Virgina Tech and Notre Dame. Notre Dame to Big 10 would mean the Big 10 will go to 14 teams. Virginia Tech going to SEC means they will have to start looking for 1 to 3 teams.
The Pac 10 wanted a total of six teams for travel considerations. The six that they are after from the Big 12 fit nicely with Arizona and Arizona State as an eight team division.
All we can really do is speculate at what scenarios and teams make sense. The one thing that truly baffles me is why on earth Texas, Oklahoma or any of those schools would be interested in the Pac-10? I think I speak for most sports fans east of the Mississippi that feel the Pac-10 is almost a whole different world. talk about dooming your program to zero media coverage. When was the last time a pac-10 highlight was shown on sportscenter...when was the last time 70% of the US population watched a PAc 10 sporting event.
Not to mention what a screw job it gives to the fans of those teams that join. Half of their football and basketball games not tomention other sports theywill have to stay up til 10-11 oclock before their game even comes on.
Quote from: Canadian Dimes on June 14, 2010, 10:08:09 AM
All we can really do is speculate at what scenarios and teams make sense. The one thing that truly baffles me is why on earth Texas, Oklahoma or any of those schools would be interested in the Pac-10? I think I speak for most sports fans east of the Mississippi that feel the Pac-10 is almost a whole different world. talk about dooming your program to zero media coverage. When was the last time a pac-10 highlight was shown on sportscenter...when was the last time 70% of the US population watched a PAc 10 sporting event.
Not to mention what a screw job it gives to the fans of those teams that join. Half of their football and basketball games not tomention other sports theywill have to stay up til 10-11 oclock before their game even comes on.
Maybe not everyone is an old curmudgeon like you and can actually stay up a little longer. Or maybe they would like to associate themselves with UCLA, USC, Cal, Stanford and Washington...some of the leading institutions in the world. Now, this could all fall apart and the Big 12\10\9 stay together in some format, but to say the Pac Ten is in another world shows your East Coast \ Midwest Bias to the hilt. That might also be why the media and fans are so stunned year in and year out when a Pac Ten teams beat them in high profile games.
If this is about football, which it is, time of Saturday night game means nothing. For basketball, minor impact. They will play only a few road conference games a year out west on a weeknight, the others will be on a Saturday afternoon with no time issue at all. So what are we talking about here, 4 games...TOPS...that will be played on a Thursday night that these fans will have to go to bed at 11:00pm? Come on.
Chico's, I think you're not giving the game time fair consideration. I doubt many UT fans want to watch a game that starts at 8 central and goes well past midnight. Remember, this is NOT southern California, it's the bible belt. The prospect of going to an 8 a.m. church service after staying up that late probably doesn't appeal to a lot of those fans. Not to mention all the potential fans on the East Coast you'd lose out on.
Heck, I'm 27 and I don't like the idea of having to watch a game that goes past midnight.
Quote from: mugrad2006 on June 14, 2010, 02:49:26 PM
Chico's, I think you're not giving the game time fair consideration. I doubt many UT fans want to watch a game that starts at 8 central and goes well past midnight. Remember, this is NOT southern California, it's the bible belt. The prospect of going to an 8 a.m. church service after staying up that late probably doesn't appeal to a lot of those fans. Not to mention all the potential fans on the East Coast you'd lose out on.
Heck, I'm 27 and I don't like the idea of having to watch a game that goes past midnight.
Church stands at #2 on the priority list on football weekends in Texas. ;D
Plus, if the Pac-10 adds all these teams from the Big 12 they will be able to have some teams from the Central time zone (Texas, Texas A&M?, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Texas Tech) as well. Which means more of the market, not just from the people who follow these teams but the areas in which they are located as well.
Quote from: mugrad2006 on June 14, 2010, 02:49:26 PM
Chico's, I think you're not giving the game time fair consideration. I doubt many UT fans want to watch a game that starts at 8 central and goes well past midnight. Remember, this is NOT southern California, it's the bible belt. The prospect of going to an 8 a.m. church service after staying up that late probably doesn't appeal to a lot of those fans. Not to mention all the potential fans on the East Coast you'd lose out on.
Heck, I'm 27 and I don't like the idea of having to watch a game that goes past midnight.
Most Pac Ten games are played on Saturday afternoon. I go to 4 or 5 UCLA and USC games each year. It will not be an issue.