Very speculative, but ESPN college fb rumors suggest it is an option for Kansas.
http://insider.espn.go.com/ncf/features/rumors#TOP
It quotes this article's speculation, which also suggests that the Big 12 poach Cincy and Louisville to replace some teams: http://www.kansascity.com/2010/06/05/1995767/four-scenarios-for-the-big-12s.html
Kansas would move the Big East west of the Mississippi, but geography seems to be less important if Oklahoma can be considered for the Pac-10. But, if Kansas replaces Rutgers, what a gauntlet for college hoops in the Big East. Take a winnable game most years and replace it with probably the toughest opponent MU would see many years.
Probably won't happen, but the Big East is an interesting option for Kansas.
Quote from: HoopsMalone on June 06, 2010, 08:31:25 PM
Very speculative, but ESPN college fb rumors suggest it is an option for Kansas.
http://insider.espn.go.com/ncf/features/rumors#TOP
It quotes this article's speculation, which also suggests that the Big 12 poach Cincy and Louisville to replace some teams: http://www.kansascity.com/2010/06/05/1995767/four-scenarios-for-the-big-12s.html
Kansas would move the Big East west of the Mississippi, but geography seems to be less important if Oklahoma can be considered for the Pac-10. But, if Kansas replaces Rutgers, what a gauntlet for college hoops in the Big East. Take a winnable game most years and replace it with probably the toughest opponent MU would see many years.
Probably won't happen, but the Big East is an interesting option for Kansas.
At least Kansas is east of the Rockies....!
Well, the "California view of the world" (great poster) shows everything east of the Rocky Mountains to be right next to the Atlantic ocean. So we're good with KU. ;)
I think it's fair to say that the BE is an "option" for any school with a football team that doesnt have a home and is/was in a BCS conference. ANd when I say option, I mean dead-last option.
However, BE officials would prob screw it up even if they wanted to join. "Meh, they have a football team. We veto'd Penn State. Turning away Kansas will be easy."
Quote from: AZWarrior on June 06, 2010, 10:17:50 PM
Well, the "California view of the world" (great poster) shows everything east of the Rocky Mountains to be right next to the Atlantic ocean. So we're good with KU. ;)
:D
When I was a freshman and in History 001, we had those 1 day a week meetings with the TA. I remember the first one and he asked us all where we were from. I said California, when asked. He followed up with a "why did you come out to Marquette University from California"?
My answer..."I wanted to go back east to school". The whole place erupted with laughter.
To us, anything east of Vegas is EAST BABY!! ;)
Quote from: AZWarrior on June 06, 2010, 10:17:50 PM
Well, the "California view of the world" (great poster) shows everything east of the Rocky Mountains to be right next to the Atlantic ocean. So we're good with KU. ;)
When I worked in LA, our VP said he was headed back East. Since I had lots of connections back east, I asked him where. He said "Utah." ;D
It's good to know that even with KU in the mix, the BE Network will still make [geographical] sense to people in Cali.
Quote from: pbiflyer on June 07, 2010, 08:12:01 AM
When I worked in LA, our VP said he was headed back East. Since I had lots of connections back east, I asked him where. He said "Utah." ;D
Of coursei if you talke to big firm lawyers and investment bankers from NYC, Boston or DC, you will understand that the map of the U.S. consists of the Atlantic seaboard with all else being considered the Wild West. I received an e-mail attachment back when from a DC lawyer which displayed the Eastern seaboard as 4/5ths of the US and the rest 1/5. Depends upon one's viewpoint... :D
Kansas might be left out of the Pac-10. I don't see them to the Big Ten. Maybe the Mtn. West? Talk about a step down for the Jayhawks.
Quote from: Nukem2 on June 07, 2010, 09:23:36 AM
Of coursei if you talke to big firm lawyers and investment bankers from NYC, Boston or DC, you will understand that the map of the U.S. consists of the Atlantic seaboard with all else being considered the Wild West. I received an e-mail attachment back when from a DC lawyer which displayed the Eastern seaboard as 4/5ths of the US and the rest 1/5. Depends upon one's viewpoint... :D
Yup. Or you will often find some of the East showing the east coast, the west coast and "fly over" country as meaningless. The heartland are just a bunch of nitwits (not my words, trust me)
Wow, after all the doomsday predictions, could expansion actually help the Big East by blowing up the Big 12?
mupanther, where any of those 43 games UW - Milwaukee games? Just asking.
Quote from: mupanther on June 07, 2010, 09:36:43 AM
Kansas might be left out of the Pac-10. I don't see them to the Big Ten. Maybe the Mtn. West? Talk about a step down for the Jayhawks.
If they went to the Big West then yes big step down, but coming to Big East would make sense for them and would allow them to maintain in a great conference for college bball.
Quote from: GoldenWarrior on June 07, 2010, 02:08:10 PM
If they went to the Big West then yes big step down, but coming to Big East would make sense for them and would allow them to maintain in a great conference for college bball.
From a football perspective, the Mountain West is better than the BE...although it doesn't have a BCS auto-bid...yet. If the Big Ten gets schools like Pitt, Rutgers and Notre Dame, the MWC becomes an even better option.
Kansas, Kansas State, Iowa State, Colorado, Colorado State, Wyoming, BYU, Utah, UNLV, New Mexico, San Diego State, Air Force, TCU.
Not too shabby.
Quote from: LittleMurs on June 07, 2010, 01:36:01 PM
mupanther, where any of those 43 games UW - Milwaukee games? Just asking.
I have full-season tickets to Marquette and UWM. I went to Orlando for the Old Spice Classic to see MU. Went to Madison for the UWM-UW game. Went to the Friday four games of the NCAA toury at Milwaukee for my 43 live in person games in the 2009-10 season. That was a record for me and my wife!! ;D ;D
Quote from: GoldenWarrior on June 07, 2010, 02:08:10 PM
If they went to the Big West then yes big step down, but coming to Big East would make sense for them and would allow them to maintain in a great conference for college bball.
I think you mean Mtn. West not the Big West.
I dont think KU (or any school for that matter) will be making a decision anytime soon on whether to join the BE.
Pull the chair out from under the BE to force ND to join the B10....
If Missouri and Nebraska say yes to the Big Ten, I'm hearing that then either Pittsburgh or Rutgers would be paired with Syracuse to form an expanded eastern boundary of the new league. The key, apparently, is taking The 'Cuse into the Big Ten. The fit already looks good. Syracuse chancellor Nancy Cantor is a former chancellor at Illinois and provost at Michigan.
In this scenario, the addition of Syracuse collapses the Big East and potentially forces Notre Dame to find a conference home for its minor sports. Not to mention a conference home for football.
In other words, Notre Dame needs a compelling reason to join a league in football. I reported yesterday that if Notre Dame came to the Big Ten, that league's expansion might be capped at 12. That might not be the case now. The two biggest words to remember in this entire process is that it is always a "fluid situation."
Adding to the intrigue is that Big Ten commissioner Jim Delany said Sunday that expansion could happen in stages.
If all of the above comes to pass, we'd be looking at two 16-team leagues (Pac-10, Big Ten), the collapse of the Big 12 and Big East and a whole lot of chaos. Does the SEC react?
Quote from: goodgreatgrand on June 07, 2010, 02:34:19 PM
I'm hearing that
I reported yesterday that
You tricked me. The cut and paste made me think Dennis Dodd is a board member! http://www.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/6270202/22395511?tag=headlines;other
Sweet
Quote from: goodgreatgrand on June 07, 2010, 02:34:19 PM
I dont think KU (or any school for that matter) will be making a decision anytime soon on whether to join the BE.
Pull the chair out from under the BE to force ND to join the B10....
If Missouri and Nebraska say yes to the Big Ten, I'm hearing that then either Pittsburgh or Rutgers would be paired with Syracuse to form an expanded eastern boundary of the new league. The key, apparently, is taking The 'Cuse into the Big Ten. The fit already looks good. Syracuse chancellor Nancy Cantor is a former chancellor at Illinois and provost at Michigan.
In this scenario, the addition of Syracuse collapses the Big East and potentially forces Notre Dame to find a conference home for its minor sports. Not to mention a conference home for football.
In other words, Notre Dame needs a compelling reason to join a league in football. I reported yesterday that if Notre Dame came to the Big Ten, that league's expansion might be capped at 12. That might not be the case now. The two biggest words to remember in this entire process is that it is always a "fluid situation."
Adding to the intrigue is that Big Ten commissioner Jim Delany said Sunday that expansion could happen in stages.
If all of the above comes to pass, we'd be looking at two 16-team leagues (Pac-10, Big Ten), the collapse of the Big 12 and Big East and a whole lot of chaos. Does the SEC react?
The SEC will pillage the ACC.
The Pac 10 might end up making the first move, rumor has it (well placed rumor, but a rumor nonetheless) is that an offer is being made to OK, OK State, Texas, Texs A&M, Texas Tech, and Colorado and they might announce by July 1st.
Quote from: goodgreatgrand on June 07, 2010, 02:34:19 PM
Does the SEC react?
Why do they need to? They're already making plenty of money and there aren't many teams* that would increase the per team revenue. Maybe Texas and Texas A&M. Adding other teams* will just mean they have to split the money more ways.
*I use teams, not schools, because this whole fiasco obviously has nothing to do with students.
Quote from: Litehouse on June 07, 2010, 03:51:43 PM
Why do they need to? They're already making plenty of money and there aren't many teams* that would increase the per team revenue. Maybe Texas and Texas A&M. Adding other teams* will just mean they have to split the money more ways.
*I use teams, not schools, because this whole fiasco obviously has nothing to do with students.
They dont NEED to. But wouldnt adding FSU and maybe Miami make the SEC even more dominating than they already are?
Quote from: goodgreatgrand on June 07, 2010, 04:10:07 PM
They dont NEED to. But wouldnt adding FSU and maybe Miami make the SEC even more dominating than they already are?
But the point of expansion is to increase per school revenue. Adding FSU and Miami doesn't do that.
Don't discount UConn maybe getting a call for a Big Ten invite either at this point. The new president at University of Illinois was most recently the president of UConn.
I know money is guiding almost all of this, but I just can't get over how this seems like a suicide pact for so many schools. If I'm someone like Oregon State and Northwestern that has had a moderate run of success in recent years in their respective leagues in football, I wouldn't exactly be too happy about probably being banished to permanent 2nd tier status in favor of schools like Texas and Nebraska.
While this sounds all fun on paper and good for the wallet of these schools, at some point the return on investment/interest of being in a superconference is gonna diminish, because frankly, for about 30% of these schools, within 4-5 years, their fans are going to be as excited over this as Pittsburgh Pirates fans are about their team because you'll have no shot at ever winning in these superconferences.
Quote from: Tom Crean's Tanning Bed on June 07, 2010, 05:19:56 PM
While this sounds all fun on paper and good for the wallet of these schools, at some point the return on investment/interest of being in a superconference is gonna diminish, because frankly, for about 30% of these schools, within 4-5 years, their fans are going to be as excited over this as Pittsburgh Pirates fans are about their team because you'll have no shot at ever winning in these superconferences.
Great point. I don't know that Rutgers, St. John's, and Seton Hall are too excited when Marquette and Louisville put hurts on them consistently in men's hoops.
Quote from: mupanther on June 07, 2010, 02:22:37 PM
I think you mean Mtn. West not the Big West.
+1
Today on Vegas sports talks shows they were talking about KU being left out in the cold by others leaving for the Pac-10 and Big Televen. I could never see KU in the Mountain West!
Quote from: mu77vegas on June 07, 2010, 06:15:07 PM
+1
Today on Vegas sports talks shows they were talking about KU being left out in the cold by others leaving for the Pac-10 and Big Televen. I could never see KU in the Mountain West!
Competively it may be the best option they have left. They'd be a natural fit geographically in the Big 10, academically as well with being an AAU member. But since they bring not much in terms of TV market/football (Mizzou will already bring them most of Kansas City), the Big 10 won't take them as their objective in this whole thing is to build the biggest cable TV network distribution possible.
Mountain West has to be licking their chops right now, because they could end up with a 12 team football conference eligible to host a championshp game, a current top 5 BCS football program (Boise State), an all-time top 5 hoops program (Kansas), and a BCS auto bid by the time this all shakes out by almost default.
From Auburn I can tell you, the SEC is absolutely set on expanding if the Big 10 does. They will not let the Big 10 become a bigger football conference in numbers. it will drive a pillage of the ACC.
To me if expansion starts, it all comes down to whether the Big East can be the surviver over the Big 12 and ACC. If the SEC pillages the ACC, and the Pac 10 pillages the Big 12, with the Big 10 pillaging the Big East, then we are on someone equal footing on who comes out on top from the other three.
Under that scenario if we can pick up Kansas and KState and/or Maryland and Boston College from the remnants of the other two, then we win.
Then we just need to make sure the commitment to being the best basketball conference in the land stays in tact, but if we grab any or all of those four, how could basketball not be front and center and MU, with the 10th best attendance in the land, as well as Gtown and Nova be part of the mix.
Quote from: Tom Crean's Tanning Bed on June 07, 2010, 11:39:17 PM
Competively it may be the best option they have left. They'd be a natural fit geographically in the Big 10, academically as well with being an AAU member. But since they bring not much in terms of TV market/football (Mizzou will already bring them most of Kansas City), the Big 10 won't take them as their objective in this whole thing is to build the biggest cable TV network distribution possible.
Mountain West has to be licking their chops right now, because they could end up with a 12 team football conference eligible to host a championshp game, a current top 5 BCS football program (Boise State), an all-time top 5 hoops program (Kansas), and a BCS auto bid by the time this all shakes out by almost default.
Even if this does shake out as bad as it could and the B11, P10, and SEC all become 16 team conferences, that's only 48 teams. There would be 25 current BCS teams left over in three decimated conferences. Sure there are some losers in there, but there's enough to create a conference better than that theoretical Mountain West, and I think KU would find themselves a part of it. In fact, maybe that conference takes BYU, Utah, and/or Boise State, screwing the Mountain West totally in the process. Geography isn't as important as it used to be; and it could be even less so if you end up with 10-15 major programs dealing with the aftermath and facing the possibilities of a spread out conference vs a crappy conference.
Quote from: TJ on June 08, 2010, 12:34:21 AM
Sure there are some losers in there, but there's enough to create a conference better than that theoretical Mountain West, and I think KU would find themselves a part of it. In fact, maybe that conference takes BYU, Utah, and/or Boise State, screwing the Mountain West totally in the process.
Yesterday the Mountain West announced they had no plans to expand "at this time...". People here (Las Vegas) were expecting an announcement on Boise St. joining the Mountain West. I think this might mean Boise St. has other options.
No, per ESPN's college football live, it means Boise State has untill July 1 to tell the WAC if they are leaving. The Mtn.West just wants to see what happens in the 3 weeks.
Quote from: mu77vegas on June 08, 2010, 06:46:32 AM
Yesterday the Mountain West announced they had no plans to expand "at this time...". People here (Las Vegas) were expecting an announcement on Boise St. joining the Mountain West. I think this might mean Boise St. has other options.
The Mountain West could just be waiting for everything to shake out to see if there are better options for expansion than BSU.
Quote from: bamamarquettefan on June 07, 2010, 11:52:51 PM
From Auburn I can tell you, the SEC is absolutely set on expanding if the Big 10 does. They will not let the Big 10 become a bigger football conference in numbers. it will drive a pillage of the ACC.
To me if expansion starts, it all comes down to whether the Big East can be the surviver over the Big 12 and ACC. If the SEC pillages the ACC, and the Pac 10 pillages the Big 12, with the Big 10 pillaging the Big East, then we are on someone equal footing on who comes out on top from the other three.
Under that scenario if we can pick up Kansas and KState and/or Maryland and Boston College from the remnants of the other two, then we win.
Then we just need to make sure the commitment to being the best basketball conference in the land stays in tact, but if we grab any or all of those four, how could basketball not be front and center and MU, with the 10th best attendance in the land, as well as Gtown and Nova be part of the mix.
Excellent point. Granted, the college basketball revenue stream may be "maxed out," but the number is still huge. If you can have schools like MU, G-Town, Nova, etc. survive without a football program, why can't a conference do the same thing? Just because you're not the richest school (or conference) on the block, it doesn't mean you can't be successful.
College football is big, but the NFL is bigger. I'm not sure you can say the same about college basketball and the NBA, and assuming such, therein lies an opportunity for the Big East. Lay low, let everyone else bloody themselves in the war, and launch your attack when the moment is right.
Quote from: mupanther on June 07, 2010, 02:22:37 PM
I think you mean Mtn. West not the Big West.
Yes, sorry
The perfect quote that is undeniably misunderstood by the "brains" of the BE front-office:
"College basketball is closer to college baseball than college football in terms of the importance placed on the things that will shape leagues."
http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/story/13491457/lost-in-the-phog-kansas-shows-basketballs-place-in-college
Quote from: Benny B on June 08, 2010, 09:18:20 AM
Excellent point. Granted, the college basketball revenue stream may be "maxed out," but the number is still huge. If you can have schools like MU, G-Town, Nova, etc. survive without a football program, why can't a conference do the same thing? Just because you're not the richest school (or conference) on the block, it doesn't mean you can't be successful.
College football is big, but the NFL is bigger. I'm not sure you can say the same about college basketball and the NBA, and assuming such, therein lies an opportunity for the Big East. Lay low, let everyone else bloody themselves in the war, and launch your attack when the moment is right.
I think you fail to understand how much bigger football revenues are than basketball revenue. You'd be "launching an attack" against second tier conferences who were shut out of the big boys in this latest round of expansion.
I know people are trying to find a bright spot in all of this, but *at best* Marquette maintains in position in the college sports world. However, it is very likely that the revenue disparities between MU and the rest grow even larger making it harder for us to compete at the sport we care about the most.
Football provides hugh revenue, but also has hugh expenses. I believe MU sports had a profit and UW's had a loss.
Quote from: bilsu on June 08, 2010, 01:15:59 PM
Football provides hugh revenue, but also has hugh expenses. I believe MU sports had a profit and UW's had a loss.
I don't know if the Big Ten schools had a loss after the revenue sharing from TV.
But just because football is king now, doesn't mean its money-making bubble won't burst in the next decade. Not saying it will ever become not profitable, but who is to say that interest in college basketball won't spike in the future?
Quote from: bilsu on June 08, 2010, 01:15:59 PM
Football provides hugh revenue, but also has hugh expenses. I believe MU sports had a profit and UW's had a loss.
It depends on what you count as revenue and expenses. As stand alone entities, football loses money, but if you count marginal revenue from donations (even if to academic programs) and student recruitment, my guess is that most schools find their football programs very valuable. I mean, if MU dropped basketball, you would lose a significant part of the University...one that helps with Alumni loyalty and student recruitment.
You can't view the profitability of sports in a vacuum.
In the end football is the dominant college athletic program for school's nation wide, but there are still going to be basketball revenues and schools such as MU that are basketball only schools essentially. We will be taking a back seat though to those with big football programs and they do hold power over what happens in conferences and unfortunately for us that could be a big time negative on our future program aspirations.
Quote from: Tom Crean's Tanning Bed on June 07, 2010, 11:39:17 PM
Competively it may be the best option they have left. They'd be a natural fit geographically in the Big 10, academically as well with being an AAU member. But since they bring not much in terms of TV market/football (Mizzou will already bring them most of Kansas City), the Big 10 won't take them as their objective in this whole thing is to build the biggest cable TV network distribution possible.
Mountain West has to be licking their chops right now, because they could end up with a 12 team football conference eligible to host a championshp game, a current top 5 BCS football program (Boise State), an all-time top 5 hoops program (Kansas), and a BCS auto bid by the time this all shakes out by almost default.
I just don't get why you'd think that the Big 12 leftovers would head for the Mountain West. Can Kansas continue to be Kansas by promising new recruits annual trips to Idaho and Utah? Financially, playing teams in the Mountain West region can't be rewarding. THERE IS a reason why the Pac 10 ain't rumored to be gobbling up the Mountain West's best teams. If the Big 12 gets torn apart, anyone who doesn't end up on the Pac 10's or Big Ten's dance card will come running the Big East's way. Their next best option would be to try and form a new conference by raiding the best of the Mountain West and CUSA. That would leave them a step below the current Big East. If the Big Ten decides to go big and raids the Big 12 and the Big East which I don't think is likely, then I think a meeting of whoever is left from those two will definitely take place in the hallway with Memphis and probably TCU listening in.
Quote from: LittleMurs on June 08, 2010, 04:42:10 PM
I just don't get why you'd think that the Big 12 leftovers would head for the Mountain West. Can Kansas continue to be Kansas by promising new recruits annual trips to Idaho and Utah? Financially, playing teams in the Mountain West region can't be rewarding. THERE IS a reason why the Pac 10 ain't rumored to be gobbling up the Mountain West's best teams. If the Big 12 gets torn apart, anyone who doesn't end up on the Pac 10's or Big Ten's dance card will come running the Big East's way. Their next best option would be to try and form a new conference by raiding the best of the Mountain West and CUSA. That would leave them a step below the current Big East.
A merged conference like that would be better than the BE. The MWC is probably better than the BE now. But for sh*ts and giggles, let's put something together:
Utah, BYU, TCU, Kansas, Kansas State, Iowa State, Colorado, Colorado State, Houston, SMU, New Mexico and Air Force.
That's better than the BE by a long shot.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on June 08, 2010, 07:14:53 PM
A merged conference like that would be better than the BE. The MWC is probably better than the BE now. But for sh*ts and giggles, let's put something together:
Utah, BYU, TCU, Kansas, Kansas State, Iowa State, Colorado, Colorado State, Houston, SMU, New Mexico and Air Force.
That's better than the BE by a long shot.
by a long shot? I know you're talking about just college football, and I don't know much about college football, so I guess you could be right. That just doesn't look to be true at first glance to me though.
OK...by a long shot may have been an exaggeration. But it is a better football conference than the BE.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on June 08, 2010, 08:34:29 PM
But it is a better football conference than the BE.
From a competitive standpoint, you're probably right. But from a revenue generating TV viewers standpoint, I'm not so sure. Also, Kansas might one of the few schools more interested in the basketball side more than the football side.
Quote from: Litehouse on June 09, 2010, 09:28:49 AM
From a competitive standpoint, you're probably right. But from a revenue generating TV viewers standpoint, I'm not so sure. Also, Kansas might one of the few schools more interested in the basketball side more than the football side.
KU alums care more about hoops I am sure, but their bottom line cares about football I am sure.
Kansas has some momentum going in their football program. If they get a Big East schedule, then they could be thinking BCS bid. The Big East would be a nice spot for Kansas. And Bill Self could sell going into Madison Square Garden every March along with what he has already.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on June 08, 2010, 07:14:53 PM
A merged conference like that would be better than the BE. The MWC is probably better than the BE now. But for sh*ts and giggles, let's put something together:
Utah, BYU, TCU, Kansas, Kansas State, Iowa State, Colorado, Colorado State, Houston, SMU, New Mexico and Air Force.
That's better than the BE by a long shot.
Last years RPI's
Utah17, BYU12, TCU9, Kansas92, Kansas State77, Iowa State73, Colorado132, Colorado State135, Houston40, SMU56, New Mexico159 and Air Force39.
That averages out to 70
Big East Last year:
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Cincinnati 7-0 12-1 5 73.56 9 63.46
Pittsburgh 5-2 10-3 13 65.69 12 59.63
West Virginia 5-2 9-4 22 58.03 20 51.99
South Florida 3-4 8-5 49 37.84 75 25.08
Rutgers 3-4 9-4 33 49.45 37 38.80
Connecticut 3-4 8-5 37 47.55 36 40.01
Syracuse 1-6 4-8 105 29.01 61 26.68
Louisville 1-6 4-8 110 28.23 72 25.48
Averages out to 46
So, how is it better?
Well, the "new" conference's top 8 teams average it out to 30.75. Plus in the bottom four you have Kansas and Colorado, two of the more "traditional" powers that would be coming from the Big 12.
And honestly, you care more about the top because that is where the conference makes its money.
Quote from: HoopsMalone on June 09, 2010, 09:46:49 AM
KU alums care more about hoops I am sure, but their bottom line cares about football I am sure.
Kansas has some momentum going in their football program. If they get a Big East schedule, then they could be thinking BCS bid. The Big East would be a nice spot for Kansas. And Bill Self could sell going into Madison Square Garden every March along with what he has already.
KU has a lot momentum.
(http://www.listown.com/images/group/200911/Mark-Mangino-20091117210659.jpg)
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on June 09, 2010, 10:37:07 AM
Well, the "new" conference's top 8 teams average it out to 30.75. Plus in the bottom four you have Kansas and Colorado, two of the more "traditional" powers that would be coming from the Big 12.
And honestly, you care more about the top because that is where the conference makes its money.
So a bunch of afterthought schools with ranks 9, 12, 17, 39, and 40 vs bigger, but equally unimportant in terms of football, schools with ranks 5, 13, 22, 33, and 37.
How is that hands down better for either side?
Quote from: TJ on June 09, 2010, 11:14:49 AM
So a bunch of afterthought schools with ranks 9, 12, 17, 39, and 40 vs bigger, but equally unimportant in terms of football, schools with ranks 5, 13, 22, 33, and 37.
How is that hands down better for either side?
That's another way of looking at it. I guess I just see schools like Utah and TCU getting to BCS bowls and pulling in recruits from the pipelines of Texas and California, while BE schools are generally losing (and generally losing big) in these games.
Luke Winn talked to Bill Self and Frank Martin...and even the coaches of KU and K State don't sound optimistic about their futures.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/luke_winn/06/09/kansas.kansasstate/index.html?eref=sihp
Quote from: bma725 on June 09, 2010, 01:21:09 PM
Luke Winn talked to Bill Self and Frank Martin...and even the coaches of KU and K State don't sound optimistic about their futures.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/luke_winn/06/09/kansas.kansasstate/index.html?eref=sihp
Here's the moneyshot :"I'm not in panic mode yet, but I'm very concerned," Self said. "I believe that Kansas will be OK no matter what, but for us to continue to compete at the level where we've been competing, and recruit at that level,
I really believe that we need to be aligned with a BCS conference.
This is why, if the Big East gets destroyed, a scrapped together an A-10 / Big East leftovers is troubling. It could work, but the BCS affiliation is what will drive most of the success. Also why expansion of the NCAA was so key, IMO.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on June 09, 2010, 06:37:45 PM
Here's the moneyshot :"I'm not in panic mode yet, but I'm very concerned," Self said. "I believe that Kansas will be OK no matter what, but for us to continue to compete at the level where we've been competing, and recruit at that level, I really believe that we need to be aligned with a BCS conference.
This is why, if the Big East gets destroyed, a scrapped together an A-10 / Big East leftovers is troubling. It could work, but the BCS affiliation is what will drive most of the success. Also why expansion of the NCAA was so key, IMO.
Well, if Self is very concerned at Kansas then the situation cannot be good for the gang at Marquette.
Interesting thread. Some thoughts:
1. Lots of talk about Mountain West and geography and so on. I think the only geography that counts is the airwaves, or I guess the satellite nodes. Kansas and Big 12 basketball, along with Marquette and Big East games, are played mostly for me on screens at a brick-walled tavern at 31st and Oak streets in midtown Kansas City. Most above say it, and it's so true: $$$$.
2. Funny post, reinko, but a bit of a cheap shot. KU, rather messily, dismissed Mark Mangino last fall and replaced him with Buffalo's Turner Gill. There's a sincere effort to kick the football (haha, couldn't resist) program up a notch at KU. And now this conference realignment mess.
3. The KU program is under fire for a ticket scandal. Some scummy underlings were scalping the Allen Fieldhouse inventory. It's beyond the NCAA; the long arm of the law is checking into this. As a result, the AD is under fire. TV reporters want to know if he thinks he might be fired. Next question: How about conference realignment.
4. The chancellor is relatively new on the job, I think within the past year. How'd you like to be in her shoes? Isn't there a dean job offer to rescind? Why don't we change Jayhawks to Warriors? That'd be a lot easier than all of this.
I'm actually kind of hoping KU ends in the Big East. K-State, too. I'm afraid there's a lot to sort out before that happens, though.
BE grab of kansas, kstate and mizzou is the best chance for those teams and BE to stay in the BCS. If we are going to four 16-team conference then the news yesterday was ok because we know the big 12 is one of the 6 to go, meaning the BE and ACC would be in a death match. Sec could raid acc for three (we probably lose usf, at which point we've got a shot to survive and hopefully remin the only bcs conference with hoops-only teams.
And if BE keeps most of the strong hoops teams and adds kstate, kansas and mizzou? Wow.
The AD of KU announced retirement today, on scandals of equipment gifts, and on the internal ticket selling by athl dept people.
At a key time KU is AD crippled, and in his absence, KU BB and acting in KU's "Self" interests may take a lead-
- Rock Chalk Jayhawk, and drop FB, be "Self"ish and join us in BE--please
Quote from: Benny B on June 07, 2010, 09:14:56 AM
It's good to know that even with KU in the mix, the BE Network will still make [geographical] sense to people in Cali.
Will that hold for Caracus too?
What about KU + Memphis to the BE Super Basketball Conference. I'd take them over Rutgers and Cincy and their football any day.