....behind Syracuse. Vander #1 PG, perimeter scorer, defender and impact player. Reggie #1 in speed.
http://basketballrecruiting.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1089832
The Badgers are #8 in the B11 behind #6 IU. That has to be a tough pill to swallow for the Bo-ites.
http://basketballrecruiting.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1090238
Umm, Bo's guys 'fit the system'. duh!
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on June 03, 2010, 09:02:14 PM
....behind Syracuse. Vander #1 PG, perimeter scorer, defender and impact player. Reggie #1 in speed.
http://basketballrecruiting.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1089832
The Badgers are #8 in the B11 behind #6 IU. That has to be a tough pill to swallow for the Bo-ites.
http://basketballrecruiting.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1090238
Here's an example where recruiting is nice, but not the end all be all. What is Bo on now, 10 straight NCAA appearances without having top recruiting classes.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on June 03, 2010, 09:35:07 PM
Here's an example where recruiting is nice, but not the end all be all. What is Bo on now, 10 straight NCAA appearances without having top recruiting classes.
Huh? RSCI ratings: Anderson (#88 from last summer...likely to drop off) from 2010, none from 2009, Beggren (#100) from 2008, Leuer (#86) from 2007, Bohannon (#62) and Hughes (#88) from 2006, Krabbenhoft (#28) from 2005, Stiemsma (#37) and Williams (#91) from 2004, Butch (#7) from 2003, and Wade (#90) from 2002...none in 2000 or 2001.
Fact is Bo has strung and spaced out his recruiting classes well historically...but he has simply missed three years running. Not a good sign for a system coach where he needs talent to stay 4 years and mature in the Swing. I don't buy your assessment that Bo didn't recruit well.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on June 03, 2010, 10:03:33 PM
Huh? RSCI ratings: Anderson (#88 from last summer...likely to drop off) from 2010, none from 2009, Beggren (#100) from 2008, Leuer (#86) from 2007, Bohannon (#62) and Hughes (#88) from 2006, Krabbenhoft (#28) from 2005, Stiemsma (#37) and Williams (#91) from 2004, Butch (#7) from 2003, and Wade (#90) from 2002...none in 2000 or 2001.
Fact is Bo has strung and spaced out his recruiting classes well historically...but he has simply missed three years running. Not a good sign for a system coach where he needs talent to stay 4 years and mature in the Swing. I don't buy your assessment that Bo didn't recruit well.
Butch's ranking at #7 overall is one of the most laughable rankings in history, and a big reason why I don't put a ton of stock into these recruiting gurus.
Yes, he's had some solid classes, but despite not landing top classes lately, all he does is finish in the top 3 each year in the Big Ten and go to the NCAAs.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on June 03, 2010, 10:20:11 PM
Butch's ranking at #7 overall is one of the most laughable rankings in history, and a big reason why I don't put a ton of stock into these recruiting gurus.
Yes, he's had some solid classes, but despite not landing top classes lately, all he does is finish in the top 3 each year in the Big Ten and go to the NCAAs.
Butch's rating was crazy high, yet he was a McD's AA, earned all Big 10 on a team who won the championship, and had a cup of coffee in The League.
The point with Bo is he has always had top talent spread out--back to back to back...but he has missed the last three classes. The jury is still out on how that will affect him. You think he will be fine as he will develop the two and three stars. I think he has a major hole to dig out of. Tokoto is his live or retire recruit as I sense a hangover is coming on after his seniors graduate.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on June 03, 2010, 10:45:14 PM
Butch's rating was crazy high, yet he was a McD's AA, earned all Big 10 on a team who won the championship, and had a cup of coffee in The League.
The point with Bo is he has always had top talent spread out--back to back to back...but he has missed the last three classes. The jury is still out on how that will affect him. You think he will be fine as he will develop the two and three stars. I think he has a major hole to dig out of. Tokoto is his live or retire recruit as I sense a hangover is coming on after his seniors graduate.
I agree with this line of thinking. Ever since Vander decommitted from UW, I have been very curious how Bo will do over the next 5 years. His talent level is decreasing and the talent level in the Big 10 is increasing. I don't think anything catastrophic will occur - but I do see UW finding themselves on the tournament bubble a few times over the next few years.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on June 03, 2010, 10:03:33 PM
Huh? RSCI ratings: Anderson (#88 from last summer...likely to drop off) from 2010, none from 2009, Beggren (#100) from 2008, Leuer (#86) from 2007, Bohannon (#62) and Hughes (#88) from 2006, Krabbenhoft (#28) from 2005, Stiemsma (#37) and Williams (#91) from 2004, Butch (#7) from 2003, and Wade (#90) from 2002...none in 2000 or 2001.
Fact is Bo has strung and spaced out his recruiting classes well historically...but he has simply missed three years running. Not a good sign for a system coach where he needs talent to stay 4 years and mature in the Swing. I don't buy your assessment that Bo didn't recruit well.
Not a RSCI top 100, but Jordan Taylor is a gamer and should handle the point for the next two years. That said, it's unclear how UW will replace Leuer's scoring after next year.
Can we resume talking about MU's recruiting class?!! Number 2 in the Big East...pretty darn good. Buzz has assembeled a team with 12 high major talents, in just 2 years at the helm. Genuinely believe this will be the deepest team in MU history, and likely will bear itself out over the next 2-3 years as being one of the most talented squads. Believe it has the potential to be a Top 5 team in program history with regard to talent. I also feel Buzz will add 2 more Top 100 caliber players in next year's recruiting class. Can anyone remember the last time MU put together 3 Top 100 classes in a row? The nose is pointing up - hopefully conference realignment doesn't torpedo the whole thing.
Right ON Ners. Who cares about UW except for one game a year
Quote from: elephantraker on June 04, 2010, 10:19:26 AM
Right ON Ners. Who cares about UW except for one game a year
Obviously a number do...otherwise there wouldn't be so many comments.
Quote from: Ners on June 04, 2010, 09:22:25 AM
Can we resume talking about MU's recruiting class?!! Number 2 in the Big East...pretty darn good. Buzz has assembeled a team with 12 high major talents, in just 2 years at the helm. Genuinely believe this will be the deepest team in MU history, and likely will bear itself out over the next 2-3 years as being one of the most talented squads. Believe it has the potential to be a Top 5 team in program history with regard to talent. I also feel Buzz will add 2 more Top 100 caliber players in next year's recruiting class. Can anyone remember the last time MU put together 3 Top 100 classes in a row? The nose is pointing up - hopefully conference realignment doesn't torpedo the whole thing.
I agree overall, but despite the "depth" that we are all anticipating having, we all know Buzz is simply going to run 6-7 deep mostly.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on June 03, 2010, 10:45:14 PM
Butch's rating was crazy high, yet he was a McD's AA, earned all Big 10 on a team who won the championship, and had a cup of coffee in The League.
The point with Bo is he has always had top talent spread out--back to back to back...but he has missed the last three classes. The jury is still out on how that will affect him. You think he will be fine as he will develop the two and three stars. I think he has a major hole to dig out of. Tokoto is his live or retire recruit as I sense a hangover is coming on after his seniors graduate.
How many other McD AA's were redshirted their freshman year?
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on June 03, 2010, 10:45:14 PM
Butch's rating was crazy high, yet he was a McD's AA, earned all Big 10 on a team who won the championship, and had a cup of coffee in The League.
The point with Bo is he has always had top talent spread out--back to back to back...but he has missed the last three classes. The jury is still out on how that will affect him. You think he will be fine as he will develop the two and three stars. I think he has a major hole to dig out of. Tokoto is his live or retire recruit as I sense a hangover is coming on after his seniors graduate.
I still think Bo completely mis-used Butch by transforming his game. In HS, Butch was a mobile, skilled big-man, and his game was more similar to Nick Fazekas. Bo beefed him up and turned him into a banger down low that would occasionally step out for a 3. After watching the Lakers last night, Butch's style was more similar to Gasol, but Bo tried to turn him into Bynum. I'm obviously not comparing talent level, just style of play.
Quote from: GoldenWarrior on June 04, 2010, 10:28:51 AM
I agree overall, but despite the "depth" that we are all anticipating having, we all know Buzz is simply going to run 6-7 deep mostly.
I can promise you that we will see a 9-10 man rotation under Buzz if not this year, next year. To judge Buzz on the last 2 years as to how he will use a roster is very premature due to how limited in depth we've been. Hell this past season he basically only had 7-8 healthy bodies total.
Quote from: Litehouse on June 04, 2010, 11:07:59 AM
I still think Bo completely mis-used Butch by transforming his game. In HS, Butch was a mobile, skilled big-man, and his game was more similar to Nick Fazekas. Bo beefed him up and turned him into a banger down low that would occasionally step out for a 3. After watching the Lakers last night, Butch's style was more similar to Gasol, but Bo tried to turn him into Bynum. I'm obviously not comparing talent level, just style of play.
Completely agree, Butch was a shooter. He was more of a Novak type player in HS, with more of an inside presence.
Quote from: Ners on June 04, 2010, 11:15:34 AM
I can promise you that we will see a 9-10 man rotation under Buzz if not this year, next year. To judge Buzz on the last 2 years as to how he will use a roster is very premature due to how limited in depth we've been. Hell this past season he basically only had 7-8 healthy bodies total.
I'd say that the 'rotation' may be around 8-9. There really is no need to go deeper than that... 9 may even be pushing it.
That said, will 9 guys see the floor every game? Probably, but 2 of them may only see 5 or so minutes.
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on June 04, 2010, 11:20:56 AM
I'd say that the 'rotation' may be around 8-9. There really is no need to go deeper than that... 9 may even be pushing it.
That said, will 9 guys see the floor every game? Probably, but 2 of them may only see 5 or so minutes.
I agree on the 8-9 man rotation this year. I mostly think this because I think that Jimmy Butler and DJO are both going to be hard to take off of the floor if they stay out of foul trouble. I can see them playing 30-35 minutes each if not more. It would be nice to get everyone on the team into games as I do think Buzz has more depth, but those two guys have proved themselves worthy. So, there are only really minutes up for grabs for three more spots and and 6 or 7 guys rotating in to play with Butler and Johnson-Odom sounds about right.
I think depth will help more in practice rather than in each game. Fresher bodies and more talent to practice against will make the whole team better.
Reggie Smith, for example, could be a very key practice player. He can be a scout team point guard. We don't know how the depth chart will turn out, but if Junior starts, then Reggie is great for a practice player. Junior might be ahead of him now, but Smith will help the team by possibly giving Junior a chance to cover someone quicker than he will see in the game. If Reggie is still a little raw and needs to work on some parts of his game, he is still quick and athletic, which gives Junior a good look in practice.
I really think the number of players we see in a regular rotation is directly related to the number of players that understand and can implement Buzz's system on defense and offense. If that is all 12, then everyone may get minutes. If that is 7 players, than probably only 7 players will get minutes. It would be nice to have a player that can spell Jimmy Bulter. Those missed free throws against Florida State are haunting.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on June 03, 2010, 10:45:14 PM
Butch's rating was crazy high, yet he was a McD's AA, earned all Big 10 on a team who won the championship, and had a cup of coffee in The League.
The point with Bo is he has always had top talent spread out--back to back to back...but he has missed the last three classes. The jury is still out on how that will affect him. You think he will be fine as he will develop the two and three stars. I think he has a major hole to dig out of. Tokoto is his live or retire recruit as I sense a hangover is coming on after his seniors graduate.
I've heard this argument time and again but they still end up near the top of the standings. The transfer they just got from Iowa and the kids coming in this year will be another good class for him.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on June 04, 2010, 03:48:25 PM
I've heard this argument time and again but they still end up near the top of the standings. The transfer they just got from Iowa and the kids coming in this year will be another good class for him.
uhhh based on what, exactly?
Even my coworkers (around 95% Badger fans) agree that the class for next year is garbage. They were excited about Evan Anderson a year or so ago, but now they have changed their tune.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on June 04, 2010, 03:48:25 PM
I've heard this argument time and again but they still end up near the top of the standings. The transfer they just got from Iowa and the kids coming in this year will be another good class for him.
But next year is really the first year the decline in recruiting will show up on the floor, now that Bohannon and Hughes are gone. They'll still have Leuer, who was a top 100 player and is obviously talented, Nankivil was just outside most top 100 lists but is inconsistent, Berggren was borderline top 100 but hasn't shown anything. Anderson is their highest rated recruit next year and some of their fans are already hoping he doesn't red-shirt so he doesn' take up a scholarship for an extra year like Gavinski. I'm sure Brust, Gasser and Dukan will turn out to be nice role players in a few years, but the myth that Bo takes a bunch of scrubs and turns them into solid contributors is false. He does the opposite, he takes a bunch of highly rated top 100 recruits and turns them into role players.
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on June 04, 2010, 03:58:30 PM
uhhh based on what, exactly?
Even my coworkers (around 95% Badger fans) agree that the class for next year is garbage. They were excited about Evan Anderson a year or so ago, but now they have changed their tune.
Isn't Brust now a Badger? Dukan as well? Anderson will be a waste for 3 years and then play decent his senior year. Gasser will be a typical Bo Ryan player that on paper looks average but will end up like most of his other players, doing quite well.
To me, looks similar to most of this classes. Unathletic, white guys mostly, but smart players, good shooters, sound defensively. Will be picked to be average and will come in ahead of that (by some standard bearers here, that would mean overachieving since they did better than what the pollsters said ;D ). They're basketball players. They will not "out-athlete" you, but they will play fundamental basketball which will lead to a lot of wins.