He calls the Bulls a disloyal organization. This coming from a guy who cheated on his wife and appeared in an ESPN ad with IU shorts.
I love Wade
I just posted on the Superbar about this, but Wade is so off base about the Bulls and loyalty, it's beyond ignorant. I love him for what he did for MU, but yes, I'm sick of him.
Wade is re-signing with the Heat, this is all garbage talk anyway.
Quote from: LastWarrior on May 27, 2010, 05:50:18 PM
He calls the Bulls a disloyal organization. This coming from a guy who cheated on his wife and appeared in an ESPN ad with IU shorts.
Sick of the best player the school has ever and probably will ever see, no, not me. It's going to take a lot more than a little insult to his hometown NBA franchise for me to get sick of him. Obviously, I'm not a big fan of the supposed indiscretions but nobody's perfect.
I am curious..is it a known fact that he cheated first?... lol some of you sound like bucky posters.
Great point. No one on this forum has any idea what went on in their personal life. However, if I were a betting man...
I Love WADE!! HE CAN DO NO WRONG!!! END OF DISCUSSION!!
D Wade is the man.
Get your chicago bulls fanboyism back to the Superbar.
Quote from: MUUWUWM on May 27, 2010, 06:27:12 PM
I am curious..is it a known fact that he cheated first?... lol some of you sound like bucky posters.
Doe Kay, yeah he didn't cheat....the problem is his wife didn't get the "married to a superstar" memo.
If you are really that shocked, you had blue and gold goggles on since he has been at MU. There are tons of rumors of his fondness of the ladies and has been in a good amount of shady dealings since being in the league. Definitely not in Zach Randolph territory but he has been far from the perfect human being. He just was blessed with a marketable personality and basketball skills. I think people on here build MU guys up too much and then become bitter. Everybody loved Crean while he was here and if you ripped him you were crucified. Now as players transfer, it couldn't possibly be because Buzz gave a little nudge. No one is a perfect human being and we should stop pretending they are perfect. Just hope they are kept in line while representing Marquette.
Nope.
I'm tired of his commercials featuring the portly and annoying Charles Barkley, though.
Quote from: LastWarrior on May 27, 2010, 05:50:18 PM
He calls the Bulls a disloyal organization. This coming from a guy who cheated on his wife and appeared in an ESPN ad with IU shorts.
I'm going to go out on a limb and say you are a NBA fan and a Bulls fan. ;D
People are sick of him because they build them up too much to begin with. He's just a basketball player...who is also a human being.
The only thing that surprised me a bit was how huge his ego became, but I guess it's expected.
I hate the bulls, so anybody who disses them only goes up in my estimation.
First of all, Wade was growing up in Chicago around the time I was, and the fact that the organization did anything to make Jordan mad was looked at poorly. I'm not a Jordan fan, but you know Wade is.
Second, you have no clue what went on between he and his wife. What we do seem to know is that she's most likely certified nuts.
Third, maybe Wade wants Labron or Bosh (both rumored to end up with the Bulls) in Miami with him, so he has something to gain by getting them to back away from the Bulls. ESPN is reporting that Wade is organizing for the major free agents to talk.
Quote from: 77ncaachamps on May 27, 2010, 07:37:46 PM
Nope.
I'm tired of his commercials featuring the portly and annoying Charles Barkley, though.
you mean Chuck isnt in your 5?? ;D
Quote from: MUUWUWM on May 27, 2010, 06:27:12 PM
I am curious..is it a known fact that he cheated first?... lol some of you sound like bucky posters.
What the hell difference does it make who went first. Infidelity is infidelity. You don't take a number to do so.
Didn't you have logic at Marquette? Fr Davitt is ashamed.
Wade is my guy and I'm nowhere near sick of him, but he's way off base on this one. In the superbar threat there are about 10 separate instances of the Bulls being loyal to their former players.
No . . . but, I'm sick of all the butt-hurt Bulls fans who think their team can do no wrong.
Bottom line: MJ doesn't seem to have a lot to do with the Bulls. D-Wade, who MJ let debut his shoes, doesn't think they were loyal to him. They may have been loyal to other players, but MJ is the one D-Wade relates to.
Honestly, who cares? D wade grew up a bulls fan, just like a lot of posters here, saw what he saw happen with Pippen and Jordan, and now has his opinion on the issue.
What an irony that a site dedicated, and made available to all of us to openly share, agree or disagree with the opinions of others (who dont play the game--lol), are offended by an MU alum's opinion...some even turning their offense at his verbal opinion to a personal feeling toward the opiner, or to an attack on his personal life.
Aside from free speech and respect of the right...why not note that Wade is a player actually playing in the NBA, and he is certainly entitled to voice what his impression/attitude is of another professional employer, in his business.
Neither Jordan, Pippen, or Jackson completed their careers with the bulls, and each went elswhere seeking further success. Is that a loyalty issue of the player/coach or of the team/mangment ---who knows, BUT......just as you are entitled to yours, I think Wade is entitled to his opinion, and all of us should share a mutual respect of our differring views.
Quote from: houwarrior on May 28, 2010, 12:10:15 AM
Neither Jordan, Pippen, or Jackson completed their careers with the bulls, and each went elswhere seeking further success..
Scottie Pippen played his final two years with the Bulls.
Pippen was washed up and couldn't play yet the Bulls traded for him, gave him good money, and kept him for two years to finish his career. They also gave him a huge retirement sendoff. Yet another example of their loyalty.
The Bulls organization has many flaws but loyalty isn't one of them.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on May 28, 2010, 12:36:48 AMThe Bulls organization has many flaws but loyalty isn't one of them.
Not to mention they brought Paxson back as GM when it's unlikely any other organization would have given him a similar chance, and reportedly reached out to Jackson in hopes of bringing him back. We all know Jerry Krause was a bit of a d-bag, but it's foolish to think that his actions years ago sully the entire organization.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on May 28, 2010, 12:36:48 AM
Scottie Pippen played his final two years with the Bulls.
Pippen was washed up and couldn't play yet the Bulls traded for him, gave him good money, and kept him for two years to finish his career. They also gave him a huge retirement sendoff. Yet another example of their loyalty.
The Bulls organization has many flaws but loyalty isn't one of them.
hmmm, fact check time....
...I thought after the championship years, Pippen was traded by the Bulls to the Rockets, and I thought I saw him in a few games here (maybe Barkleys butt blocked my view and I was mistaken-lol). Then, Houston traded Pippen to Portland.
Pippen played four seasons in Portland before returning to Chicago as a free agent on July 20, 2003.
The Bulls did not, as you seem to recall, trade for him.
Pippen played just one season, 2003-04(23 games), not the "final two years", as you seem to recall.
Pippen retired in the off season, in Oct. 2004, on the first day of training camp..... the "sendoff" you referenced was not for the retirement, ,as you seem to recall..
...or even in the 2004-5 season , following the announcement
Rather in the 2005-06 season, 14 months later, they did a dec 9, 2005 retirement of his jersey-- a frequent nice ceremony every NBA team gives its players whose jersey is retired.
You, like Wade, are entitled to your differing opinions on the loyalty point. I am sure you respect Wade's right to differ with your view.
I assume my corrections of your fact recollections, above, do not change your view, one bit, of the team's loyalty.
Regardlees of facts, YOUR loyalty to the team is not questioned, (and neither I, nor Wade doubt it--lol)
PS--
Does it bother you that with Pippen's lack of $, and sad comeback try with the finnish and swede teams(nov 2007), the bulls havent given him some sort of job to help his $ woes/bankruptcy? ..or that, earlier, ..When he tried an NBA comeback in Feb 2007, he was not contacted by the Bulls? ., or that ..the Bulls rebuffed the 2007 comeback try with Chicago Bulls GM John Paxson telling espn chris Sheridan: "I think he should be getting into coaching." (no coach job was offered, either).
The bulls could offer scott anything, and he'll accept....
.per his agent's website..
."Scottie Pippen is now available for celebrity appearances, corporate appearances, personal appearances, casino appearances, tradeshow appearances, convention appearances, celebrity golf tournaments, sports camps, coaching clinics, autograph signings, endorsement deals, website endorsements, television commercials, radio commercials, store grand openings, VIP Meet & Greets, new product launch campaigns, spokesperson campaigns and speaking engagements. Book Scottie Pippen to meet and mingle with your best corporate clients, friends and business associates. ..."
Bulls blow.
Quote from: houwarrior on May 28, 2010, 02:37:28 AM
hmmm, fact check time....
...I thought after the championship years, Pippen was traded by the Bulls to the Rockets, and I thought I saw him in a few games here (maybe Barkleys butt blocked my view and I was mistaken-lol). Then, Houston traded Pippen to Portland.
Pippen played four seasons in Portland before returning to Chicago as a free agent on July 20, 2003.
The Bulls did not, as you seem to recall, trade for him.
Pippen played just one season, 2003-04(23 games), not the "final two years", as you seem to recall.
Pippen retired in the off season, in Oct. 2004, on the first day of training camp..... the "sendoff" you referenced was not for the retirement, ,as you seem to recall..
...or even in the 2004-5 season , following the announcement
Rather in the 2005-06 season, 14 months later, they did a dec 9, 2005 retirement of his jersey-- a frequent nice ceremony every NBA team gives its players whose jersey is retired.
You, like Wade, are entitled to your differing opinions on the loyalty point. I am sure you respect Wade's right to differ with your view.
I assume my corrections of your fact recollections, above, do not change your view, one bit, of the team's loyalty.
Regardlees of facts, YOUR loyalty to the team is not questioned, (and neither I, nor Wade doubt it--lol)
PS--
Does it bother you that with Pippen's lack of $, and sad comeback try with the finnish and swede teams(nov 2007), the bulls havent given him some sort of job to help his $ woes/bankruptcy? ..or that, earlier, ..When he tried an NBA comeback in Feb 2007, he was not contacted by the Bulls? ., or that ..the Bulls rebuffed the 2007 comeback try with Chicago Bulls GM John Paxson telling espn chris Sheridan: "I think he should be getting into coaching." (no coach job was offered, either).
The bulls could offer scott anything, and he'll accept....
.per his agent's website..
."Scottie Pippen is now available for celebrity appearances, corporate appearances, personal appearances, casino appearances, tradeshow appearances, convention appearances, celebrity golf tournaments, sports camps, coaching clinics, autograph signings, endorsement deals, website endorsements, television commercials, radio commercials, store grand openings, VIP Meet & Greets, new product launch campaigns, spokesperson campaigns and speaking engagements. Book Scottie Pippen to meet and mingle with your best corporate clients, friends and business associates. ..."
To add to that let's weigh each side:
Wade: Talks to Jordan, probably other former Bulls, and gets their view (admittedly one sided), and sees how Miami treats their former players. Has his OPINION that the Bulls are not nearly as loyal to their all time greats as Miami is.
MUScoopers who love the bulls, as well as talk show hosts, who have no first hand (or even second hand knowledge) think his opinion is wrong. They give a handful of former scrubs , and Jordan coat-tail riders ;D, who have had some dealings with the Bulls organization after their career.
Granted, Wade was a little strong on this, but I'll take his side on this. The smell of Jerry Krause still permeates.
Quote from: houwarrior on May 28, 2010, 02:37:28 AM
Does it bother you that with Pippen's lack of $, and sad comeback try with the finnish and swede teams(nov 2007), the bulls havent given him some sort of job to help his $ woes/bankruptcy? ..or that, earlier, ..When he tried an NBA comeback in Feb 2007, he was not contacted by the Bulls? ., or that ..the Bulls rebuffed the 2007 comeback try with Chicago Bulls GM John Paxson telling espn chris Sheridan: "I think he should be getting into coaching." (no coach job was offered, either).
They rebuffed the comeback try because in his last year with the Bulls, it was clear that he was over the hill and reports were that he was griping a little too much about his role. He was given an assistant's job with Phil Jackson and the Lakers in 2005, but the word was that he wasn't really all that interested in working too hard. He also was an analyst with ESPN for a bit, but sucked at that too.
You really can't blame the Bulls for this.
The Bulls could have canceled Jay Williams contract after his motorcycle accident but instead paid it out entirely. That shows more than anything about how they treated MJ & SP. It's how you treat the little guys, not the big ones.
I don't have any issue with DW doing a little posturizing here. It's all part of the negotiation process.
Quote from: KC2016 on May 28, 2010, 07:52:17 AM
The Bulls could have canceled Jay Williams contract after his motorcycle accident but instead paid it out entirely. That shows more than anything about how they treated MJ & SP. It's how you treat the little guys, not the big ones.
I don't have any issue with DW doing a little posturizing here. It's all part of the negotiation process.
While it's generally true, I don't think how they treat the "little guys" is relevant to D-Wade as he is definitely more along the lines of MJ & SP.
Please delete this thread. Outside of murder or any other major felony, there's NOTHING that Wade could do that would annoy me.
Biggest mancrush EVER.
Wade for President
For what Wade did for Marquette, it's hard not to get sick of him.
Fact check...
Bulls paid MJ $66 million over his final two seasons. As for Pip, he wanted to leave to win another championship. He was a free agent and as a goodwill gesture, Bulls signed him and traded him giving him an additional $23 million more than any other team could offer. Also, what's Pip doing now? He's writing a column for thw Bulls website and is at many Bulls games.
As the Bulls organization said... Anybody that doubts their loyalty is misinformed.
Quote from: mupanther on May 28, 2010, 08:46:35 AM
For what Wade did for Marquette, it's hard not to get sick of him.
Is this post meant to contradict itself? Wade put MU back on the map, and that makes it hard NOT to get sick of him?
Here is the quote:
"I think the biggest question that you think about has to be loyalty," Wade told the Tribune. "I know one thing about Miami: It is a very loyal organization. I see what they do with their players when their players get done with the game of basketball ... how loyal they are. I don't know about the Bulls."
Note that he says he DOESN'T KNOW about the Bulls loyalty. This is different than saying they are not loyal.
Anyone know the context of the quote - it looks like he was responding to a question, not just coming out and saying this.
Wade Shifts Gears on Bulls Loyalty
New story this morning
http://www.suntimes.com/sports/basketball/bulls/2327906,CST-SPT-bull28.article
I love Wade, I even have a poster of him in my room (not kidding). That being said, loyalty would be for Wade to resign with the Heat, now if he leaves what does that say? Loyalty goes both ways. I'm not criticizing him, but players in every sport talk about the team's loyalty to them, but players have an obligation to the team as well.
There is the perception out there that the Bulls aren't all that great to their former players, largely because of the perception that Krause and Reinsdorf ran MJ and Phil out of town, resulting in Pippen's desire to go elsewhere. The 3 biggest names in the team's history were not given a great amount respect at the end of their historic run. There was also ex-GM Jerry Krause's infamous comment that players don't win championships, front offices do. Since Wade hasn't lived in Chicago since around 2000 (shortly after all this went down), it's likely he still has the perception that the Bulls aren't all that loyal to former players because that's what he remembers. Let's also not forget the big free agent year of 2000 when the Bulls planned to bring in a superstar but got turned down by Grant Hill, Tim Duncan, Eddie Jones and Tracy McGrady. True or not, the stigma was that the Bulls front office was not great to their stars so no one wanted to go to Chicago. Obviously a lot has changed since then, but that perception is apparently still out there.
Also, whoever called Jay Williams "a little guy" is clueless. He was the #2 pick in the draft and was expected to be a franchise player. Some might say it was a classy move to help him out, others might say they simply wanted to treat him well just in case he was able to make a comeback.
QuoteWhat the hell difference does it make who went first. Infidelity is infidelity. You don't take a number to do so.
Didn't you have logic at Marquette? Fr Davitt is ashamed.
Hell hath no fury like a comical scoop name scorned.
Jordan's last 3 years he sat down with Jerry Reinsdorf and Jerry said how much do you want to make. Jordan said 30mil and Jerry said fine. Pippen is broke and is mad about it. His Nickname in Chicago is NO TIP PIP. I could be wrong but Bird does not own part of the celtic's and then worked for IND. Does that make the celtics unloyal? do Stockton and Malone work for the Jazz? Wade wants to resign with Miami but only if he can get another great player to join him so he is putting down the other options. Also 90% of NBA superstars have wandering eye's.
Wade > Bulls........ no one cares about your Chicago sports teams here guys.
Quote from: houwarrior on May 28, 2010, 02:37:28 AM
Pippen played four seasons in Portland before returning to Chicago as a free agent on July 20, 2003.
Either way the Bulls paid good money to a worthless player. I'd say that is pretty loyal....
Now can you tell me how the Bulls weren't loyal to Pete Meyers, John Paxon, Jay Williams, Bill Cartwright, Bob Love, Bill Wennington, Stacy King, and B.J. Armstrong.
Quote from: KCMarq09 on May 28, 2010, 12:14:17 PM
Wade > Bulls........ no one cares about your Chicago sports teams here guys.
Then why are there 40+ replys.....
QuoteEither way the Bulls paid good money to a worthless player. I'd say that is pretty loyal...
Or just plain STUPID
Mods please erase this thread......suggesting anyone is sick of D Wade should be grounds for being kicked off the site!
Quote from: copious1218 on May 28, 2010, 08:52:13 AM
Here is the quote:
"I think the biggest question that you think about has to be loyalty," Wade told the Tribune. "I know one thing about Miami: It is a very loyal organization. I see what they do with their players when their players get done with the game of basketball ... how loyal they are. I don't know about the Bulls."
Note that he says he DOESN'T KNOW about the Bulls loyalty. This is different than saying they are not loyal.
Anyone know the context of the quote - it looks like he was responding to a question, not just coming out and saying this.
WOW!!! I totally agree...totally. Assuming this is the quote....I am embarrassed for having bothered with this thread.
I.am more embarrassed for the bulls fans and all those who "bit" on ESPN and claim of others that the loyalty of the Bulls was an issue.
This was simple sixth grade reading comprehension error...
Example:
I live on earth, so breathable air is important to me. I know earth has breathable air..... I don't know about Mars' breathable air
.
Would martians or bulls fans claim insult that I have said they do not have air ?
OR....picking words of a "disloyal speaker", as some see Wade..."It is important to me that when I open my wrapped present that I find a great gift inside. I opened my present from the wife, and it was a great gift. I dont know about girlfriends present though.
Should the girlfriend say I have just said to her that her unopend present to me sucked? ....No...the girlfriend puts on something really nice and says ..Wait and open what I have for you!!
In trying to attract someone who has the choice of coming to you or not (or influencing others to come to you or not)..the good girlfriend (and all BULLS fans) CAREFULLY reads what the target man says is important to him, takes no insult at what he says is important, and she goes out of her way to WOOOOOO and to please the man , to convince him to leave the wife...She does not kick him out on the street, for admitting he hasnt yet opened her present.
Avid reading, and active listening would never have given this crazy, misinformed story any traction, in the first instance....I am so very sorry I failed to read and research the quote....and so should bulls fans...IMO.
Quote from: houwarrior on May 28, 2010, 01:32:50 PM
WOW!!! I totally agree...totally. Assuming this is the quote....I am embarrassed for having bothered with this thread.
I.am more embarrassed for the bulls fans and all those who "bit" on ESPN and claim of others that the loyalty of the Bulls was an issue.
This was simple sixth grade reading comprehension error...
Example:
I live on earth, so breathable air is important to me. I know earth has breathable air..... I don't know about Mars' breathable air
.
Would martians or bulls fans claim insult that I have said they do not have air ?
OR....picking words of a "disloyal speaker", as some see Wade..."It is important to me that when I open my wrapped present that I find a great gift inside. I opened my present from the wife, and it was a great gift. I dont know about girlfriends present though.
Should the girlfriend say I have just said to her that her unopend present to me sucked? ....No...the girlfriend puts on something really nice and says ..Wait and open what I have for you!!
In trying to attract someone who has the choice of coming to you or not (or influencing others to come to you or not)..the good girlfriend (and all BULLS fans) CAREFULLY reads what the target man says is important to him, takes no insult at what he says is important, and she goes out of her way to WOOOOOO and to please the man , to convince him to leave the wife...She does not kick him out on the street, for admitting he hasnt yet opened her present.
Avid reading, and active listening would never have given this crazy, misinformed story any traction, in the first instance....I am so very sorry I failed to read and research the quote....and so should bulls fans...IMO.
What the earlier quote left out is his next comment on the subject...
"I see Michael Jordan is not there, Scottie Pippen is not there. ... You know, these guys are not a part," Wade said. "Things like that. So that is probably one of the biggest things for me, because I am a very loyal person."
Quote from: LastWarrior on May 28, 2010, 01:37:30 PM
What the earlier quote left out is his next comment on the subject...
"I see Michael Jordan is not there, Scottie Pippen is not there. ... You know, these guys are not a part," Wade said. "Things like that. So that is probably one of the biggest things for me, because I am a very loyal person."
Right. So he explains that he knows very little about the subject beyond what's up with two players he remembers from his childhood. Alert the press! :-\
It seems to me that the only people who are "sick of Wade" are Bulls fans disparaged by his remarks. I love Dwyane Wade, and unless he signs with the Los Angeles Lakers or murders somebody (those are equal sins in my book) I always will. No comments about some team I couldn't care less about (a team that can't hold a 35 point lead against a 17 win team no less) are going to change that.
QuoteRight. So he explains that he knows very little about the subject beyond what's up with two players he remembers from his childhood. Alert the press!
I understand it was an interview with the Chicago Tribune, but why mention the Bulls at all. He brought it upon himself by even expressing his opinion on his hometown team. Why would he bring up the Bulls, he plays for the Heat.
I speak for myself, but just because I disagree with what he says doesn't mean I am sick of him. Only the original thread starter states this and one or two others.
I'm a bulls fan who is not sick of wade.
He has a right to this opinion, which i don't understand, but will admit that he knows more than i do.
I wish he would keep it to himself in this case, but that is obviously for self serving reasons.
I hope that this isn't a ploy by him to steer someone away from the bulls to miami, because that would piss me off. But i'm not asserting that to be the case.
As a bulls fan I am very worried that if he does honestly feel this way (right or wrong) that it could be a common perception, which could hurt our chances of landing lebron or bosh.
especially since imo: lebron= multiple titles, bosh= perennial title contender
Quote from: LastWarrior on May 28, 2010, 01:37:30 PM
What the earlier quote left out is his next comment on the subject...
"I see Michael Jordan is not there, Scottie Pippen is not there. ... You know, these guys are not a part," Wade said. "Things like that. So that is probably one of the biggest things for me, because I am a very loyal person."
Again-- active listening applies. Those pointing out all the lesser players receiving loyalty from the bulls have digressed.
Wade is a top 10 superstar noting that other top 10 superstars, formerly with Bulls aren't tight with the team. Why should he return to his hometown and risk the same fate. (Wade, and Lebron are rightfully leary of how coming in to fill 2 very big shadows will play out-- no one will ever be MJ, and such is a burden to any successor)
Wade is saying, translated...."you didnt love them enough afterwards, how do I know you'll love me .... love is important to me , and I see myself as a loving person. If I come to you (girlfriend) I need to know I am loved now and after I am "washed up" ( an actual term used by an actual bulls fan, on this thread, as to pip) ?"
To Bulls fans...I dont think Wade insulted you, in the least....he may well have tested or nudged you a bit to test his theorum.
They failed, because as he guessed the messenger was shot, the message not well received, and as he's intimating for MJ and PIP, his joining the Bulls risks org rejection after his carreer, vs staying in Miami, where, it seems the org and city have him convinced he'll be set forever, content, with mutual loyalty.
A reasonable observation emerges from Wade, and I agree with the Bulls fans here and with Wade.
How?
Bulls fans are right --(if assuming the organization is key as Krause says"not the players") the Bulls organization is loyal always to those that are a part of and loyal to the organization.
Wade is right too--In the NBA, like it or not, since Bird Magic, MJ, etc the league showcases superstars....and the superstars become their own brand, not totally subject to organizational affiliation. They can command the organization they add their brand to to respect and give them whatever they want before and after their career, ,whether deserved or not...call it the MJ rules, or the superstar treatment.
Because the Bulls and Krause signalled years ago the organization is first and mutual org loyalty comes first, Wade and other superstars see the Bulls as one team that may not abide the unwritten superstar bend over and giv'em anything they want rule.
A superstar sees it as getting what he's entitled to and super treatment is to be expected and any orgaization denying such is not " loyal" (as wade and supertrs see it) to the league wide unwritten rule, or to the way things really are(one's perception is one's only reality).
The pro org guys (bulls)see that as total self interest and wrong bec. no player is ever bigger than the org.
The NBA NORM and actual reality is that superstars are bigger than the org(see Cavs firing coach brown), and Bulls disagree. Wade speaks to the norm, the bulls speak loudly to their belief in the exception.
Sadly, to compete for superstars in the NBA world of the norm, a team must decide to buck it or join it....If I am wade I'd have a wait and see and test to see if the Bulls, at long last have chosen to join the norm.
Each side is exercising their given perogative. Respect that.
(if I am a bulls fan --Id say its time to swallow hard ,join reality of the norm and announce we are joining the playing field to level it by clarifying Bulls now accept, w/o reservation we'll give what superstars want to get him and never again tell a superstar the org is king over the superstar, OR prepare myself to lose out to those teams that are Loyal to this established, unwritten rule)
Quote from: Skatastrophy on May 28, 2010, 01:52:17 PM
Right. So he explains that he knows very little about the subject beyond what's up with two players he remembers from his childhood. Alert the press! :-\
I'm going to go out on a limb and say he knows more than 99% of the people walking this earth. You do realize he obviously has a good relationship with MJ, and I'm sure MJ and the Jordan brand has an interest in where he plays next year. Once again, look at who he is meeting with next week. Perhaps he'd rather see Bosh in Miami with him than in Chicago with Labron.
QuoteThe NBA NORM and actual reality is that superstars are bigger than the org(see Cavs firing coach brown), and Bulls disagree.
The NBA is different than most sports, because many coaches are useless. Except for the coaches that have been around for a while and had success coaching one team or many teams, essentially Sloan, Jackson, Karl, etc. The coaching carousel has changed in the last ten years because players are now premadonnas and some want to expand "their" brand, which their is nothing wrong with that. You never know in basketball whether it is the coach or the players specifically.
As a Bulls fan I thought that the talent wasn't their for Skiles, and even though the Bucks have Jennings, Bogut, and other mediocre talents I believe he is a very good coach that doesn't put up with b.s. All that being said Wade is still the man.
Quote from: RawdogDX on May 28, 2010, 03:01:57 PM
I'm a bulls fan who is not sick of wade.
As a bulls fan I am very worried that if he does honestly feel this way (right or wrong) that it could be a common perception, which could hurt our chances of landing lebron or bosh.
Exactly. I'm not sick of Wade. I'm just pissed he would make an untrue statement such as that. ESPN has been showing the statement causing America to think the Bulls are unloyal to their past players. They aren't showing the comments of Jay Williams or the other many examples of how loyal the Bulls are.
If people start to believe this then it hurts their chances at getting a free agent this offseason.
If Wade would have said the way the organization is run is a joke I would have been fine with that. While that comment would a lot stronger than what he said, it would be true. The Bulls have many flaws. He could have crapped on any of them. Instead he made a statement that is far from the truth.
Wade is still my guy. I'm just disappointed he would say that.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on May 28, 2010, 03:54:16 PM
Exactly. I'm not sick of Wade. I'm just pissed he would make an untrue statement such as that. ESPN has been showing the statement causing America to think the Bulls are unloyal to their past players. They aren't showing the comments of Jay Williams or the other many examples of how loyal the Bulls are.
If people start to believe this then it hurts their chances at getting a free agent this offseason.
If Wade would have said the way the organization is run is a joke I would have been fine with that. While that comment would a lot stronger than what he said, it would be true. The Bulls have many flaws. He could have crapped on any of them. Instead he made a statement that is far from the truth.
Wade is still my guy. I'm just disappointed he would say that.
That's the think though TT, he didn't say anything untrue. Read the quote - he said he "didn't know" about the Bulls loyalty, stated that Jordan and Pippen are no longer part of the organization, and stated that he knows Miami is loyal. Which part is untrue?
Wade wore IU shorts??? Brutal
Quote from: TallTitan34 on May 28, 2010, 12:17:46 PM
Then why are there 40+ replys.....
True, but any thread that starts out with the proposition of being "sick" of Wade is going a lot of responses, multiple pages are a minimum. Just saying most Marquette fans could care less about some Chicago's fans sensitivity about their Bulls, much less the NBA in general besides how Marquette players are doing. Also, just getting 40+ replies doesn't prove that a lot of Marquette fans care about Wade's opinion of the Bulls, no matter if he's wrong or right.
Sam Smith says it all. Wade just trying to drive free agents away from Bulls and to Miami. Must mean Miami is in trouble!
I thought Wade had more class. Disappointing.
http://www.nba.com/bulls/news/smith_forman_100527.html
I'm sick of any D Bag that cares that much about the NBA. D Wade put MU back on the map you tools. Frack the Bulls and any other NBA team. Who gives a sh@t? Here's a thought....Reinsdorf is a guy out to make a buck. When Jordan got too old he tossed him aside like all of the other used up Thoroughbreds. Shocker. D Wade is a Thoroughbred hence he doesn't like the fact that players are discarded unceremoniously.
Get over it loser. And stop wearing you Bulls jersey out in public. If you wear a replica jersey and you are over the age of nine you are a tool. I bet you have a Bulls tattoo you douche bag.
Who was that last rant against? The previous poster with the Sam Smith link? Providing a link to clarify a position is a sign of caring too much about the NBA?
Wade is way off base on the Bulls loyalty. Pick on a lot of things about the way they run their business, but not on their loyalty. The Bulls = Jerry Reinsdorf, and tho no fan of his I have to acknowledge his well-earned reputation for unrequited loyalty in both sports and business.
I love Wade for what he brought and he left at Marquette. But my loyalty to him or any athlete in short pants looks elsewhere when ego, personal agendas, and yeah, even bad behavior get in the way.
Quote from: muhoops1 on May 28, 2010, 10:31:29 PM
I'm sick of any D Bag that cares that much about the NBA. D Wade put MU back on the map you tools. Frack the Bulls and any other NBA team. Who gives a sh@t? Here's a thought....Reinsdorf is a guy out to make a buck. When Jordan got too old he tossed him aside like all of the other used up Thoroughbreds. Shocker. D Wade is a Thoroughbred hence he doesn't like the fact that players are discarded unceremoniously.
Get over it loser. And stop wearing you Bulls jersey out in public. If you wear a replica jersey and you are over the age of nine you are a tool. I bet you have a Bulls tattoo you douche bag.
I'm sure you'd only be so bold within the anonimity of a message board. Either that or the Shirley Temples were giving you some courage.
Sounds like Wade was reciting talking points he was given from Riley (and possibly Barkley and MJ). Likely to backfire now that the actual facts have surfaced.
Quote from: classof70 on May 29, 2010, 07:08:36 AM
I'm sure you'd only be so bold within the anonimity of a message board. Either that or the Shirley Temples were giving you some courage.
As my Dad used to say, "Is that muhoops1 or the Budweiser talking?"
Quote from: Lennys Tap on May 29, 2010, 09:09:51 AM
As my Dad used to say, "Is that muhoops1 or the Budweiser talking?"
Doc was a wise man.