Golden Avalanche posted numerous times below that DJ Newbill would be attending prep school. Today DJ's coach stated DJ will be at MU this fall and NOT attending prep school. I'm trusting DJ's coach (PhillyCoach), given Avalanche's insistence on DJ going to prep school, can we 100% confirm?
Quote from: The Golden Avalanche on May 06, 2010, 07:56:40 AM
Let's just say Newbill is the one who is gone. How is it being forthright with a prospect by taking a verbal commitment from him in January; taking a signed LOI from him in April; and then releasing him from the program in May?
That's an awful tough turnaround in five months for a teenager. Especially one who reportedly came in with good standing on the court and in the classroom.
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Last week, I wrote that Newbill would go to prep to trim the roster. That has been confirmed by multiple people in private and by multiple people in public (except their words are more flowery in public). There's a little more to it then my willy-nilly nature. I was/am taken to task for writing this. Not for writing that it never and/or always happens. There's a difference.
One recent example of stashing would be the prospect Kennedy from Villanova.
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Quote from: The Golden Avalanche on May 10, 2010, 09:19:02 AM
It seems a "last in, first out" scenario with Newbill the most likely candidate. If not him, then Smith. We will also look to sign one more prospect and when that occurs Mbao will be leaving the program. If the three prospects left on the market turn us down, then Newbill and Smith don't need to worry about their prep year.
Wrote this three days ago when I got slammed for hating on Buzz and MU.
Noreen was the first of the three prospects remaining. He's out. Short is the second of the three prospects and its dubious whether he got a true offer but we'll see how Lundy plays this. If the third prospect doesn't show up, expect Newbill to prep and Mbao to stay.
Well, since you brought it up in an oh so delicate way (and appear to love being a punching bag) you'll also notice I wrote this in the words you quoted above:
Quote from: Ners on May 25, 2010, 09:01:52 PM
If the three prospects left on the market turn us down, then Newbill and Smith don't need to worry about their prep year.
See that last part, Ners-y boy?? Those three prospects are gone, thus, no need to worry about a prep year for one of our recruits (unless grades magically become a problem or we receive a transfer).
This is not rocket science. There's no need to throw the toys out of the pram for attention like you've been doing the last two weeks. Just read all the words people write and it will answer most of your issues.
Again, for the tenth time, many people have written about these scenarios. It's flattering you only pay attention when I write about it but it's stupid to paint the picture that I'm some sort of bat$hit crazy loner on this matter.
While speculation is fun, IMO this is exactly why speculation doesn't do any good.
Who says that coaches/players at MU don't know what is posted on this board?
Quote from: The Golden Avalanche on May 26, 2010, 10:26:56 AM
Well, since you brought it up in an oh so delicate way (and appear to love being a punching bag) you'll also notice I wrote this in the words you quoted above:
See that last part, Ners-y boy?? Those three prospects are gone, thus, no need to worry about a prep year for one of our recruits (unless grades magically become a problem or we receive a transfer).
This is not rocket science. There's no need to throw the toys out of the pram for attention like you've been doing the last two weeks. Just read all the words people write and it will answer most of your issues.
Again, for the tenth time, many people have written about these scenarios. It's flattering you only pay attention when I write about it but it's stupid to paint the picture that I'm some sort of bat$hit crazy loner on this matter.
Sorry dude - you made these comments before Gardner was signed..you mentioned 3 possibilities - Noreen, Short..but failed to mention a 3rd...and then went on to write that "if the 3rd prospect doesn't show up (which he did), expect Newbill to prep and Mbao to stay. (which he didn't)" So, Gardner signed, and then Mbao left...but nothing mentioned about Newbill needing to go to prep school - in fact his coach has posted here that he will be on campus in July.
Accountability is a b$tch sometimes. So, if you want to post speculation about Buzz not being forthcoming with recruits, and signing a player in January/April and then running him off to prep school...please just be sure to knnow your facts 100% before you speculate on such a delicate matter such as sending players to prep school, or suggesting less than scrupulous recruiting tactics.
Quote from: Ners on May 26, 2010, 11:05:43 AM
Sorry dude - you made these comments before Gardner was signed..you mentioned 3 possibilities - Noreen, Short..but failed to mention a 3rd...and then went on to write that "if the 3rd prospect doesn't show up, expect Newbill to prep and Mbao to stay." So, Gardner signed, and then Mbao left...but nothing mentioned about Newbill needing to go to prep school - in fact his coach has posted here that he will be on campus in July.
Accountability is a b$tch sometimes. So, if you want to post speculation about Buzz not being forthcoming with recruits, and signing a player in January/April and then running him off to prep school...please just be sure to knnow your facts 100% before you speculate on such a delicate matter such as sending players to prep school, or suggesting less than scrupulous recruiting tactics.
I told you so threads usually end up going nowhere... much like this one will.
Ners, you're going to change the name of this thread, correct? How 'bout you change it to something regarding your personal beef with another member? Let's not use a player's name to lure in more views...
Or maybe, take it the PM route instead of bouncing around in different threads.
Quote from: Ners on May 26, 2010, 11:05:43 AM
Sorry dude - you made these comments before Gardner was signed..you mentioned 3 possibilities - Noreen, Short..but failed to mention a 3rd...and then went on to write that "if the 3rd prospect doesn't show up, expect Newbill to prep and Mbao to stay." So, Gardner signed, and then Mbao left...but nothing mentioned about Newbill needing to go to prep school - in fact his coach has posted here that he will be on campus in July.
Accountability is a b$tch sometimes. So, if you want to post speculation about Buzz not being forthcoming with recruits, and signing a player in January/April and then running him off to prep school...please just be sure to knnow your facts 100% before you speculate on such a delicate matter such as sending players to prep school, or suggesting less than scrupulous recruiting tactics.
You are on a mission. Pointless. But a mission.
I'll write this and walk off into the sunset (hoping the mods delete the thread): the chapter on spring recruiting and adding members to next year's team is not yet over.
its funny how people say things out of ignorance but in case some dont know signing national letter of intent and scholarship papers is a legally binding contract with both parties and before any school sends out the nli or scholarship papers ie contracts the players sat scores and transcript must be reviewed by the universities ncaa complience person who then gives the coaching staff a yea or neh on whether this kid will be qualified by the clearinghouse. If yea scholarship papers are sent to the kid and signed then sat scores and hs transcripts are sent to the ncaa clearinghouse at the time of the signing and again after the kid graduates for final approval. This is done for two reason prob more but the main two r to check core course gpa and align it with the sat score and to make sure each univ or college hav the correct amount of scholarships thats aloted. To go to a prep the kid who is qualified would hav to agree to give up his schollie or it would b a breach of contract. Dj wil be an eagle for sure.
I think that Buzz did not expect anyone to go to prep school. Buzz expected Mbao to leave, but Mbao had not made it official yet. I think Buzz was directing attention away from Mbao until he made up his mind by putting up a smoke screen about a player going to prep school. Howeveer, prep school is still a possibilty, if a player does not qualify.
Quote from: bilsu on May 26, 2010, 12:53:40 PM
I think that Buzz did not expect anyone to go to prep school. Buzz expected Mbao to leave, but Mbao had not made it official yet. I think Buzz was directing attention away from Mbao until he made up his mind by putting up a smoke screen about a player going to prep school. Howeveer, prep school is still a possibilty, if a player does not qualify.
Or to make us obsess over MU hoops even more for the 4 months or so of dead period in the summer. Whatever, it worked and we lose no one from our incoming class so I'm super happy.
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on May 26, 2010, 11:13:32 AM
I told you so threads usually end up going nowhere... much like this one will.
Quote from: TheButlerDidIt on May 26, 2010, 11:19:18 AM
Ners, you're going to change the name of this thread, correct? How 'bout you change it to something regarding your personal beef with another member? Let's not use a player's name to lure in more views...
My feeling is that if someone on this board is going to make statements about Buzz/MU recruiting in an unethical way, and is going to predict how this is going to unfold/happen - then they better be damn sure of what they are speculating about. If they are wrong, they should be exposed. Do I have a beef with Golden Avalanche, absolutely. Why? Because of this very type of thing, as well as other ignorant comments he makes. There is nothing beneficial that comes out of a Scooper posting things from a point of view as fact, that are speculative in nature. Golden Avalnche posted in approximately 5 or 6 different threads (in almost no uncertain terms) that Newbill would be going to prep school....and honestly..if I'm Newbill and reading these boards..I'm pretty pissed off. We don't need that, and unless you are in the absolute inner-circle of MU hoops, you really shouldn't make these type of "predictions." It is one thing to speculate about potential recruits considering MU..that is harmless...but to speculate about which current signed MU recruit is going to prep school..in a way that says it is definitely 1 player in particular..and to assert that multiple times..that's wrong.
Quote from: The Golden Avalanche on May 26, 2010, 10:26:56 AM
Well, since you brought it up in an oh so delicate way (and appear to love being a punching bag) you'll also notice I wrote this in the words you quoted above:
See that last part, Ners-y boy?? Those three prospects are gone, thus, no need to worry about a prep year for one of our recruits (unless grades magically become a problem or we receive a transfer).
This is not rocket science. There's no need to throw the toys out of the pram for attention like you've been doing the last two weeks. Just read all the words people write and it will answer most of your issues.
Again, for the tenth time, many people have written about these scenarios. It's flattering you only pay attention when I write about it but it's stupid to paint the picture that I'm some sort of bat$hit crazy loner on this matter.
GA, welcome to the club.
Quote from: Ners on May 26, 2010, 12:59:40 PM
My feeling is that if someone on this board is going to make statements about Buzz/MU recruiting in an unethical way, and is going to predict how this is going to unfold/happen - then they better be damn sure of what they are speculating about. If they are wrong, they should be exposed.
Do you hold these same beliefs when someone makes statements about other MU coaches from the past?
Quote from: Ners on May 26, 2010, 12:59:40 PM
My feeling is that if someone on this board is going to make statements about Buzz/MU recruiting in an unethical way, and is going to predict how this is going to unfold/happen - then they better be damn sure of what they are speculating about. If they are wrong, they should be exposed. Do I have a beef with Golden Avalanche, absolutely. Why? Because of this very type of thing, as well as other ignorant comments he makes. There is nothing beneficial that comes out of a Scooper posting things from a point of view as fact, that are speculative in nature. Golden Avalnche posted in approximately 5 or 6 different threads (in almost no uncertain terms) that Newbill would be going to prep school....and honestly..if I'm Newbill and reading these boards..I'm pretty pissed off. We don't need that, and unless you are in the absolute inner-circle of MU hoops, you really shouldn't make these type of "predictions." It is one thing to speculate about potential recruits considering MU..that is harmless...but to speculate about which current signed MU recruit is going to prep school..in a way that says it is definitely 1 player in particular..and to assert that multiple times..that's wrong.
I'm not interested in getting involved in any long-winded pissing contest, nor am I interested in reading any more about it. My point was about changing the thread name so that unsuspecting Scoopers (who thought there would be some relevant information about one of my favorite new recruits) wouldn't have to stumble into this s&$# puddle of self-righteousness. Less people would view it if it was called Ners-GA pissing match; unless you intended to air your dirty laundry in front of more eyes by coining this thread under a more unassuming name. Just do us a favor and call it something more reflective of what it really is.
Have you ever clicked on a thread that is nothing what you expected? Can you empathize with me?
Quote from: Ners on May 26, 2010, 12:59:40 PM
My feeling is that if someone on this board is going to make statements about Buzz/MU recruiting in an unethical way, and is going to predict how this is going to unfold/happen - then they better be damn sure of what they are speculating about. If they are wrong, they should be exposed.
Dude...seriously...no one cares. Buzz doesn't need someone to be his personal defender on here.
Quote from: PhillyCoach on May 26, 2010, 12:11:17 PM
its funny how people say things out of ignorance but in case some dont know signing national letter of intent and scholarship papers is a legally binding contract with both parties and before any school sends out the nli or scholarship papers ie contracts the players sat scores and transcript must be reviewed by the universities ncaa complience person who then gives the coaching staff a yea or neh on whether this kid will be qualified by the clearinghouse. If yea scholarship papers are sent to the kid and signed then sat scores and hs transcripts are sent to the ncaa clearinghouse at the time of the signing and again after the kid graduates for final approval. This is done for two reason prob more but the main two r to check core course gpa and align it with the sat score and to make sure each univ or college hav the correct amount of scholarships thats aloted. To go to a prep the kid who is qualified would hav to agree to give up his schollie or it would b a breach of contract. Dj wil be an eagle for sure.
Yes. That was discussed here earlier. When Davante Gardner was signed, it was mentioned
by MU in the same release that announced the signing, that someone was going to prep school. With Mbao leaving now, some people believe that the issue is dead...however since it seems like MU is still recruiting for the 2010 class, the issue is continuing to be debated.
I think I speak for all members here that we hope DJ isn't upset by this speculation.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on May 26, 2010, 01:40:35 PM
Buzz doesn't need someone to be his personal defender on here.
Agree with you Sultan... However, the same can be said for other posters/coaches.
Quote from: RJax55 on May 26, 2010, 01:45:22 PM
Agree with you Sultan... However, the same can be said for other posters/coaches.
I know. However every thread remotely critical of Buzz has been hijacked by him as if he's on some sort of jihad. And now he's calling people out who *may* have been proven wrong? Cmon...
QuoteMy feeling is that if someone on this board is going to make statements about Buzz/MU recruiting in an unethical way, and is going to predict how this is going to unfold/happen - then they better be damn sure of what they are speculating about. If they are wrong, they should be exposed. Do I have a beef with Golden Avalanche, absolutely. Why? Because of this very type of thing, as well as other ignorant comments he makes. There is nothing beneficial that comes out of a Scooper posting things from a point of view as fact, that are speculative in nature. Golden Avalnche posted in approximately 5 or 6 different threads (in almost no uncertain terms) that Newbill would be going to prep school....and honestly..if I'm Newbill and reading these boards..I'm pretty pissed off. We don't need that, and unless you are in the absolute inner-circle of MU hoops, you really shouldn't make these type of "predictions." It is one thing to speculate about potential recruits considering MU..that is harmless...but to speculate about which current signed MU recruit is going to prep school..in a way that says it is definitely 1 player in particular..and to assert that multiple times..that's wrong.
I do agree with you, but I don't agree the way you called him out. Can't we just immediately squash all personal attack threads on this board??
I understand that speculation will occur on the board, but when it comes to grades, academic standing, or anything of a more personal nature (IMO) I think it should be tread on lightly. Everyone loves to prognosticate, but enough with my sources have told me unless your BMA, it doesn't do any good.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on May 26, 2010, 01:40:35 PM
Dude...seriously...no one cares. Buzz doesn't need someone to be his personal defender on here.
Remember when you didn't care who Mac Irvin was? Remember when you didn't seem to think it was a big deal to send a fully qualified Reggie Smith to prep school?
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on May 04, 2010, 10:43:43 AM
I don't know who Mac Irvin is and I don't really care.
But if Smith falls off the map, why would we want him? Similarly, if he explodes, he might want to go elsewhere.
So now you don't care if Scoopers are wildly posting speculations as abosulute fact, regarding a signed MU recruit being ticketed for prep school..when the program/Buzz hasn't stated as much? No, I don't like it when a Scooper takes a cheap shot at our current coach and his recruiting tactics - when said Scooper turns out to be proven wrong.
No one has been proven wrong about anything and no one will be proven wrong about anything until first semester starts next year. It might be wise to avoid attacking people about being wrong until you see what actually happens.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on May 26, 2010, 01:52:11 PM
I know. However every thread remotely critical of Buzz has been hijacked by him as if he's on some sort of jihad. And now he's calling people out who *may* have been proven wrong? Cmon...
I hear you... What I find interesting is how people can get so encamped into one-side or position on a basketball message board. I mean, how many threads are just plain-old pissing matches, with a couple of posters just going back and forth. And, with no surprise, it usually between guys that would be classified as "Pro-Buzz" vs. "Pro-TC." Its truly laughable how predictable it all has become.
Quote from: Ners on May 26, 2010, 02:02:32 PM
Remember when you didn't care who Mac Irvin was? Remember when you didn't seem to think it was a big deal to send a fully qualified Reggie Smith to prep school?
I never said that it would be acceptable to "send a fully qualified Reggie Smith to prep school." That is *completely* false.
I said that if Reggie Smith went to prep school, that I didn't think we should be beholden to take him in 2011 because of Mac Irvin.
If you can find a quote where I stated otherwise, find it and post it...otherwise....shut...the...f*ck...up.
dj doesnt know about this stuff nor does he need to know. he is very confident in himself as a student athlete and i intend on encouraging him to strive to be the best. I know everyone wants big men but if u noticed the game has become guard oriented quality bigs are rare on every level of the game height is needed but talent and team chemistry along with heart and hard working players is wats gona win ball games. Dj chose mu not bcuz of size or name or even the big east he chose mu bcuz he saw a coach that gets the maximum from the players and he had that all of his life so why not continue that process. I think the mu fans and coaches are going to b surprized at wat the will see in dj newbill and im not just say that bcuz im in his circle
.
Why can't we all be friends?
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on May 26, 2010, 02:19:39 PM
I never said that it would be acceptable to "send a fully qualified Reggie Smith to prep school." That is *completely* false.
I said that if Reggie Smith went to prep school, that I didn't think we should be beholden to take him in 2011 because of Mac Irvin.
If you can find a quote where I stated otherwise, find it and post it...otherwise....shut...the...f*ck...up.
Okay - I'll shut the f*ck up on this one...as you did state:
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on May 04, 2010, 08:04:13 AM
The BE doesn't allow Prop 48s.
If
he is going to prep school, it's because of qualification issues. The only other choice is to spend two years at a junior college.
Why are people thinking that this is some pre-arranged deal, and that if he goes to pre school that both parties would still be interested next year? My guess is that it would be very unlikley that Smith ever gets here if he isn't here in July.That said, it is alarming how you fly off the handle and "don't know/don't care," about significant power brokers in Illinois hoops talent, or non-confirmed, false speculation about our signed, incoming recruits. Here is the content of our previous debate:
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Quote from: Ners on May 04, 2010, 08:54:37 AM
Based on your answer above, I don't see any reason why both parties wouldn't still be interested next year? Again assuming it is Smith, and he didn't qualify, and the Big East doesn't allow Prop 48's - what other option did MU or Smith have? None, right? It isn't Buzz's or MU's fault if a player doesn't qualify, nor is it either party's fault the Big East doesn't allow Prop 48s. I don't see why the player would be bitter toward the coach or school, or why Buzz would be bitter toward the player? Plus, throw in the Mac Irvin connection, and that certainly wouldn't be a relationship Buzz would want to tarnish, by "wronging" one of Mac Irvin's players. I just don't see why it couldn't work 1-year down the road - nor do I think it is unlikely (if MU is offering a borderline qualifier), that they have an up-front contract (verbal agreement) that states - Hey, if for some reason you dont' qualify, are you okay with going to a prep school for 1-year? We still like you as a player, want you - but are you willing to go that route if necessary - since we can't Prop 48 you as the Big East doesn't allow it?
I don't know who Mac Irvin is and I don't really care.
But if Smith falls off the map, why would we want him? Similarly, if he explodes, he might want to go elsewhere.
Quote from: Ners on May 26, 2010, 02:02:32 PM
So now you don't care if Scoopers are wildly posting speculations as abosulute fact, regarding a signed MU recruit being ticketed for prep school..when the program/Buzz hasn't stated as much? No, I don't like it when a Scooper takes a cheap shot at our current coach and his recruiting tactics - when said Scooper turns out to be proven wrong.
Alright, I'll be real honest here.
For a number of months/years I would respond to a TON of negative TC stuff in his defense.
I felt like people were just blasting him for no reason a lot of the time, so I took it upon myself to "correct" them. I was probably baited into a lot of stupid debates (my own fault).
Looking back, I probably wouldn't take that approach anymore. It really doesn't matter if I was "right" or "wrong" because coach's are ALWAYS going to have their critics, and that's something I had to accept.
What's my point?Buzz has been a good coach so far. He's not perfect, but he's been good.
Obviously you are a Buzz fan, which is great. Enjoy it.
But, my honest advice to you would be to temper your enthusiasm and ease off the defense of everything against Buzz.
Certainly some posters will eventually become too negative and will need to be pointed out. But, you might want to dial back your expectations a bit.
If you are somewhat frustrated by what is posted now, wait until Buzz has a losing season. People on the internet will rip EVERYTHING about him (his accent, his hair style, suits, defense, lack of defense, etc.).
Just my 2 cents. You can save yourself some agony.
Hey... did anyone see that squirrel at the Yankees/Twins game last night.
http://tampabay.rays.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=8347297
The best part is the "Let's Go Squirrel" chants. Those Twin-kee (homophonetic pun intended) fans know comedy.
Quote from: Benny B on May 26, 2010, 03:04:13 PM
Hey... did anyone see that squirrel at the Yankees/Twins game last night.
http://tampabay.rays.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=8347297
The best part is the "Let's Go Squirrel" chants. Those Twin-kee (homophonetic pun intended) fans know comedy.
+1! And thank you for changing the subject!
Quote from: PhillyCoach on May 26, 2010, 02:20:06 PM
Dj chose mu not bcuz of size or name or even the big east he chose mu bcuz he saw a coach that gets the maximum from the players
This is really great to read about Buzz. I think it's true, and it's great to know that recruits also see that. Also, it says a lot about a kid if this is what he based his decision on (and not the brand of shoes, weather, girls, etc.). He sounds like a mature kid. I can't wait to see him play.
Quote from: 2002MUalum on May 26, 2010, 02:49:33 PM
Alright, I'll be real honest here.
For a number of months/years I would respond to a TON of negative TC stuff in his defense.
I felt like people were just blasting him for no reason a lot of the time, so I took it upon myself to "correct" them. I was probably baited into a lot of stupid debates (my own fault).
Looking back, I probably wouldn't take that approach anymore. It really doesn't matter if I was "right" or "wrong" because coach's are ALWAYS going to have their critics, and that's something I had to accept.
What's my point?
Buzz has been a good coach so far. He's not perfect, but he's been good.
Obviously you are a Buzz fan, which is great. Enjoy it.
But, my honest advice to you would be to temper your enthusiasm and ease off the defense of everything against Buzz.
Certainly some posters will eventually become too negative and will need to be pointed out. But, you might want to dial back your expectations a bit.
If you are somewhat frustrated by what is posted now, wait until Buzz has a losing season. People on the internet will rip EVERYTHING about him (his accent, his hair style, suits, defense, lack of defense, etc.).
Just my 2 cents. You can save yourself some agony.
Thanks for the insight...I'd agree that some like to bait others into discussions about the merits of current coach versus former, etc..and that subject is worn out..and I'm guilty of perpetuating it, as I've gotten involved in the defnese of Buzz. I do think some fans are way to knee jerk in their reactions and expectations of this program at times. After our DePaul loss we had Scoopers jumping off the bandwagon stating we wouldn't make the NIT. Buzz has been wripped for being a bad close game coach, and for last year's MU team losing leads..yet we were 8-8 in games decided be less than 4 points. You are definitely right, there will always be haters and people who have unrealistic expectations for their team..to where 1 loss is tragic/unacceptable. I' sure it happened on this board during the Crean years too..I just wasn't here at that time to get involved..though I was still a fan of the program, and likely would have supported TC in most cases. As I've said many times..I think TC was a good coach for MU and very good things happened in the prgram in his time...but I just have been blown away by Buzz and think we are on the verge of another great chapter in MU basketball...I just hope Buzz doesn't burn himself out..because it is evident he works his a$$ off.
Quote from: Ners on May 26, 2010, 02:42:54 PM
That said, it is alarming how you fly off the handle and "don't know/don't care," about significant power brokers in Illinois hoops talent, or non-confirmed, false speculation about our signed, incoming recruits.
Have you just stumbled across the internet recently or something? Non-confirmed and false speculation is all over the place...and I've learned arguing with anonymous posters over an over about the SAME THING is an annoying, mind-numbing excercise that makes all participants look retarded. No matter how "right" you think you are...
Quote from: Ners on May 26, 2010, 04:01:11 PM
the merits of current coach versus former
Crean's legacy will be forever tarnished by the shameful way he handled his departure. I do not need to bring up his ridiculous behavior towards staff and players over the years. He
was probably still is a maniacal jackass who treats decent, hard working people like crap. Integrity and character is not selectable. It is lived.
QuoteHave you just stumbled across the internet recently or something? Non-confirmed and false speculation is all over the place...and I've learned arguing with anonymous posters over an over about the SAME THING is an annoying, mind-numbing excercise that makes all participants look retarded. No matter how "right" you think you are...
Funny you speak of anonymous sources as I just read a column on ESPN about how these sources are becoming the norm, even though they bite columnists in the a$$ sometimes.
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/columns/story?columnist=ohlmeyer_don&id=5220492
Quote from: Ners on May 26, 2010, 04:01:11 PM
After our DePaul loss we had Scoopers jumping off the bandwagon stating we wouldn't make the NIT.
What bandwagon are you talking about?
As I recall, almost nobody thought we were better than 12th place to begin with--least of all you.
Quote from: Marquette84 on May 26, 2010, 05:37:17 PM
What bandwagon are you talking about?
As I recall, almost nobody thought we were better than 12th place to begin with--least of all you.Quote
Actually you make a good point, at that time of the DePaul loss it was doom and gloom around here...and the flicker of hope the team showed in beating Xavier, Michigan, Georgetown, was quickly extinguished...with many saying we wouldn't make the NIT, and definitely not the NCAA. Good thing Buzz was able to rally the troops and lead our undermanned and undersized team on a run and squeeze us into the NCAA. I was optimistic about what the team could achieve, given what I saw out of the team early, and from what I saw out of Buzz's coaching - that said it was optimism and hope, as there were a good deal of hurdles the team had to overcome due to roster challenges.
Quote from: RJax55 on May 26, 2010, 02:11:03 PM
I hear you... What I find interesting is how people can get so encamped into one-side or position on a basketball message board. I mean, how many threads are just plain-old pissing matches, with a couple of posters just going back and forth. And, with no surprise, it usually between guys that would be classified as "Pro-Buzz" vs. "Pro-TC." Its truly laughable how predictable it all has become.
Can't we just be pro-Buzz AND pro-TC? I never understood why people cannot accept that many of us are both, yet folks make it out to be an either\or scenario.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on May 26, 2010, 06:51:37 PM
Can't we just be pro-Buzz AND pro-TC? I never understood why people cannot accept that many of us are both, yet folks make it out to be an either\or scenario.
The two are mutually exclusive. My feelings towards Buzz Williams are completely separate from how I feel about Tom Crean. Fact is, some of us knew Tom Crean as a shallow, insincere, dishonest, gutless, unethical jerk while he was here at Marquette. And let's be honest: most of us here scratched our heads at his self-promoting garndstanding. To wit - every Midnight Madness was not to intorduce the team and kick off the new season. Hardly. It was all about Tanned Tommy. Who among us was not disgusted by his entrance on the ATV, clad in his Hai Karate suit? Rather than put the spotlight on the team, where it belonged, he hogged the camera and made everything about him. Some of you have no idea how he berated staff, including women. He didn't focus on perceived mistakes either. His verbal assaults were designed to belittle, debase, and shame people. He is a disgusting person, unworthy of our respect. Hiring Jack Harbaugh was nothing short of a jobs creation program. I refuse to contribute to Marquette for this very reason. Crean did good in terms of raising the profile of our beloved program. Unfortunately, he failed to meet the standard for ethical behavior as an employee of a Jesuit Univerity. More tragic, his treatment of others was contemptible and Fr Wild knew precisely what was going on.
Quote from: Ners on May 26, 2010, 04:01:11 PM
Thanks for the insight...I'd agree that some like to bait others into discussions about the merits of current coach versus former, etc..and that subject is worn out..and I'm guilty of perpetuating it, as I've gotten involved in the defnese of Buzz. I do think some fans are way to knee jerk in their reactions and expectations of this program at times. After our DePaul loss we had Scoopers jumping off the bandwagon stating we wouldn't make the NIT. Buzz has been wripped for being a bad close game coach, and for last year's MU team losing leads..yet we were 8-8 in games decided be less than 4 points. You are definitely right, there will always be haters and people who have unrealistic expectations for their team..to where 1 loss is tragic/unacceptable. I' sure it happened on this board during the Crean years too..I just wasn't here at that time to get involved..though I was still a fan of the program, and likely would have supported TC in most cases. As I've said many times..I think TC was a good coach for MU and very good things happened in the prgram in his time...but I just have been blown away by Buzz and think we are on the verge of another great chapter in MU basketball...I just hope Buzz doesn't burn himself out..because it is evident he works his a$$ off.
Just to be clear, I don't bring up TC as a any part of a TC vs Buzz thing.
I bring up TC because I was a fan of his and found myself on the defensive a lot in this forum. It was a bad habit I got into. It's ok to debate or have critiques/opinions, but I was just taking on the role more often than I should have.
I bet X% of the MU fanbase doesn't like (INSERT COACH) and is just waiting for him to fail so they can rip him up (and no, I don't think Marquette84 is one of those guys).
I caution you against taking on all comers. I had some of that happen with the previous coach, and I won't do it again.
I'm not saying you shouldn't love Buzz, I'm just saying you might want to dial back your debate-meter. It's running a little hot and you might find out that you are killing yourself to prove nothing. You can do what you like, but I speak from personal experience. I didn't even know it was happening until I went back and re-read a lot of my posts and realized how much I did it.
Haters are gonna hate. Ballas are gonna ball.
Be a Buzz fanboy. Enjoy it. Soak it up. Honestly. Just don't get caught grinding it out with constant debates about him. It'll wear you out.
We all know that GUARDS win championships in college basketball. I don't care what anyone said about who is or isn't going to Prep School, I'm just excited to see DJ on the floor next year. Based on the video evidence it looks like this kid is already nasty and willing to work to get better.
I agree that random speculation should be held to a minimum, but this is a fan board. As we have heard, players, recruits, alums all read this and we should be more respectful of those people by not just throwing crap against the wall to see what sticks.
Way to go. Another thread turned into a TC vs. Buzz debate.
Quote from: Kramerica on May 26, 2010, 08:25:24 PM
Way to go. Another thread turned into a TC vs. Buzz debate.
On the contrary. Many of us have never compared the two men. Fact is, there is no comparison but that is beside the point. Buzz may be a complete jerk, too but that is not something I have hear. Crean was/is. Crean had no place in a Christian community.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on May 26, 2010, 01:05:10 PM
GA, welcome to the club.
And what better setup for that old Groucho Marx line:
"I'd never want to belong to any club that would have me as a member."
Quote from: MedicineHatSpanker on May 26, 2010, 08:32:36 PM
Crean had no place in a Christian community.
Oh, this is precious.
Quote from: MUCam on May 26, 2010, 09:15:42 PM
Oh, this is precious.
Good, now finally we can ship the sucker to Bangladesh.
Quote from: MUCam on May 26, 2010, 09:15:42 PM
Oh, this is precious.
Perhaps not precious but certainly true. Can you imagine the chairman of any department ranting and raving at both staff and students, attacking their intelligence, questioning their "loyalty" not to the department but to the chairman, throwing things around the office, screaming at them at the top of his lungs, belittling them, etc...?
Not likely. Crean did all of that. Anyone else would have been dismissed for cause. Fr Wild knew what was going on, too. He shares the blame for allowing Tom Crean's savagery. None of this belonged on a Jesuit campus.
Quote from: MedicineHatSpanker on May 26, 2010, 08:32:36 PM
On the contrary. Many of us have never compared the two men. Fact is, there is no comparison but that is beside the point. Buzz may be a complete jerk, too but that is not something I have hear. Crean was/is. Crean had no place in a Christian community.
Beyond bizarre. These are coaches. Crean would be canonized compared to O'Neill and his actions.
Truly, get some more coffee up there in Seattle and you may want to read a passage about casting stones since you brought up the Christian nonsense.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on May 27, 2010, 12:38:33 AM
get some more coffee up there in Seattle
uh, I live in Alberta
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on May 27, 2010, 12:38:33 AM
Beyond bizarre. These are coaches. Crean would be canonized compared to O'Neill and his actions.
Truly, get some more coffee up there in Seattle and you may want to read a passage about casting stones since you brought up the Christian nonsense.
BA-ZINGA.
I was in Medicine Hat, Alberta last summer on a road trip from SB WI to AK. Nice town. Bought two tee shirts at the downtown "SALLY ARMS" thrift store, since I had forgotten to pack enough shirts for the trip. $2 each, and I'm still wearing them.
Weird couple of days on the Scoop: message board fistfight, a high school coach defends his player, yet another TC-BW thread devolution, and Chicos got geographized...and this was all in one thread!
I also love that a 4-year old joke was LOL'd on another thread.
Basketball can't come soon enough.
Quote from: TheButlerDidIt on May 27, 2010, 08:37:20 AM
Weird couple of days on the Scoop: message board fistfight, a high school coach defends his player, yet another TC-BW thread devolution, and Chicos got geographized...and this was all in one thread!
I also love that a 4-year old joke was LOL'd on another thread.
Basketball can't come soon enough.
Nice summary, +1 - - That said, it is the offseason, and we don't have much else to talk about..thus some of the above. If we step back from the ledge for a minute, there was some pretty good smack that was talked - that seen through the proper lens, was quite funny...but, if we take this smack/message board stuff too seriously, then we can't find the humor in the trash talk. I got owned a few times, and owned a few in the process. In the moment there can be some animosity, but its like talking a little junk on the court/playing field..and when it comes to an end..there need not be any hard feelings.
Quote from: TheButlerDidIt on May 27, 2010, 08:37:20 AM
Weird couple of days on the Scoop: message board fistfight, a high school coach defends his player, yet another TC-BW thread devolution, and Chicos got geographized...and this was all in one thread!
I also love that a 4-year old joke was LOL'd on another thread.
Basketball can't come soon enough.
+1.
May is the worst time of year for college basketball junkies... the month between the Final Four and the NBA draft. We're all going stir-crazy up in here.
Quote from: wildbillsb on May 27, 2010, 08:26:06 AM
I was in Medicine Hat, Alberta last summer on a road trip from SB WI to AK. Nice town. Bought two tee shirts at the downtown "SALLY ARMS" thrift store, since I had forgotten to pack enough shirts for the trip. $2 each, and I'm still wearing them.
You obviously took the Trans Can which brought you through the Gas City. The Sally Arms is downtown and, in addition to a fine selection of recycled clothing and household goods, offers Alberta's herbalists an excellent choice in water pipes, onyx and brass smoking accessories, and black light art work. Hopefully you took time to gaze in wonder at the world's largest teepee followed by a repast at Tino's. The Hat is a great place to be.
Quote from: TheButlerDidIt on May 27, 2010, 08:37:20 AM
Weird couple of days on the Scoop: message board fistfight, a high school coach defends his player, yet another TC-BW thread devolution, and Chicos got geographized...and this was all in one thread!
I also love that a 4-year old joke was LOL'd on another thread.
Basketball can't come soon enough.
+1...let's not forget wrestling...filling in the lull, is Dan Gable the best NCAA wrestler of all-time? What about Pro? Dick the Bruiser? ;)
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on May 27, 2010, 09:46:18 AM
+1...let's not forget wrestling...filling in the lull, is Dan Gable the best NCAA wrestler of all-time? What about Pro? Dick the Bruiser? ;)
The Crusher, c'mom.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on May 27, 2010, 09:46:18 AM
Is Dan Gable the best NCAA wrestler of all-time?
Yes. As much as I admire what Cael Sanderson accomplished, I don't want to hear anybody saying Gable is not the GOAT. I met him at the NCAA tournament a few years ago -- [wrestling nerd alert] -- one of the sports highlights of my life. I'm pretty sure it's the only time I ever met someone who was the name sake for shoes that I wore.
Quote from: TheButlerDidIt on May 27, 2010, 08:37:20 AM
Weird couple of days on the Scoop: message board fistfight, a high school coach defends his player, yet another TC-BW thread devolution, and Chicos got geographized...and this was all in one thread!
I am not sure that Philly Coach is DJ's actual HS coach. Has he identified himself as such?
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on May 27, 2010, 11:17:01 AM
I am not sure that Philly Coach is DJ's actual HS coach. Has he identified himself as such?
MUScoop / Hangin' at the Al / Re: Dj newbill fan on: May 25, 2010, 08:00:23 PM
dj is his nickname and brad gathered more footage and should have the documentary complete in the upcoming days. I also was his high school coach and i will be at the elite camp again this summer
That was Phillycoach's post a few days ago...
Quote from: MedicineHatSpanker on May 27, 2010, 09:42:10 AM
You obviously took the Trans Can which brought you through the Gas City. The Sally Arms is downtown and, in addition to a fine selection of recycled clothing and household goods, offers Alberta's herbalists an excellent choice in water pipes, onyx and brass smoking accessories, and black light art work. Hopefully you took time to gaze in wonder at the world's largest teepee followed by a repast at Tino's. The Hat is a great place to be.
Yes on the Trans-Can. Stared on the teepee, didn't know about Tino's (dang it). Actually, I took some pix of the old movie theatre that's being rehabbed (can't find them now, or I'd try to send one), and close by was a head shop. New I was out of my depth upon entering the establishment, but the owner/clerk did point me in the direction of the S-A a block over. Don't remember seeing the paraphernalia in there, but did enjoy exploring the basement sales area, as well. (Boy this sure is boring to everyone else, isn't it? Tough, you'll just have to suffer, as I've got to read through all the other drivel on this forum, too.)
Quote from: MedicineHatSpanker on May 27, 2010, 02:43:41 AM
uh, I live in Alberta
Alberta beef....yummy.
Throwing stones at someone for not being Christian enough....ironic.
Quote from: Lighthouse 84 on May 27, 2010, 11:20:54 AM
MUScoop / Hangin' at the Al / Re: Dj newbill fan on: May 25, 2010, 08:00:23 PM
dj is his nickname and brad gathered more footage and should have the documentary complete in the upcoming days. I also was his high school coach and i will be at the elite camp again this summer
That was Phillycoach's post a few days ago...
OK...obviously missed it. Thanks.
Quote from: PhillyCoach on May 26, 2010, 12:11:17 PM
its funny how people say things out of ignorance but in case some dont know signing national letter of intent and scholarship papers is a legally binding contract with both parties and before any school sends out the nli or scholarship papers ie contracts the players sat scores and transcript must be reviewed by the universities ncaa complience person who then gives the coaching staff a yea or neh on whether this kid will be qualified by the clearinghouse. If yea scholarship papers are sent to the kid and signed then sat scores and hs transcripts are sent to the ncaa clearinghouse at the time of the signing and again after the kid graduates for final approval. This is done for two reason prob more but the main two r to check core course gpa and align it with the sat score and to make sure each univ or college hav the correct amount of scholarships thats aloted. To go to a prep the kid who is qualified would hav to agree to give up his schollie or it would b a breach of contract. Dj wil be a eagle Warrior for sure.
Fixed.
Quote from: wildbillsb on May 27, 2010, 11:43:54 AM
Yes on the Trans-Can. Stared on the teepee, didn't know about Tino's (dang it). Actually, I took some pix of the old movie theatre that's being rehabbed (can't find them now, or I'd try to send one), and close by was a head shop. New I was out of my depth upon entering the establishment, but the owner/clerk did point me in the direction of the S-A a block over. Don't remember seeing the paraphernalia in there, but did enjoy exploring the basement sales area, as well. (Boy this sure is boring to everyone else, isn't it? Tough, you'll just have to suffer, as I've got to read through all the other drivel on this forum, too.)
We opened the Esplanade a few years ago but the theater you are referring to is in The Hat's Clay district. I am currently in Grande Prairie, AB for Stompede. Grande Prairie's Stompede is second only to Calgary's in size and significance. I personally love the Chucks races. Fabulous.
http://gpstompede.com/pro-chuckwagons
Quote from: MedicineHatSpanker on May 26, 2010, 08:32:36 PM
On the contrary. Many of us have never compared the two men. Fact is, there is no comparison but that is beside the point. Buzz may be a complete jerk, too but that is not something I have hear. Crean was/is. Crean had no place in a Christian community.
This can also be said of Pearl, Lavin, Pastner, Greenberg, et al.
"Fact is, some of us knew Tom Crean as a shallow, insincere, dishonest, gutless, unethical jerk while he was here at Marquette."
we have a winner - Crean did elevate the program to new levels, unfortunately he is a dbag as a person...
Quote from: madtownwarrior on May 29, 2010, 06:32:55 PM
"Fact is, some of us knew Tom Crean as a shallow, insincere, dishonest, gutless, unethical jerk while he was here at Marquette."
we have a winner - Crean did elevate the program to new levels, unfortunately he is a dbag as a person...
I still await the KO thread that says the same thing, only that he was even "douchier" as a person. ::)
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on May 29, 2010, 07:00:46 PM
I still await the KO thread that says the same thing, only that he was even "douchier" as a person.
Crean's status as a D-Bag is in no way diminished by KO's talent in that same vertical.
Quote from: madtownwarrior on May 29, 2010, 06:32:55 PM
"Fact is, some of us knew Tom Crean as a shallow, insincere, dishonest, gutless, unethical jerk while he was here at Marquette."
we have a winner - Crean did elevate the program to new levels, unfortunately he is a dbag as a person...
Yes, TC was all of those things but he revived Marquette basketball and after he bolted, the program was given to a much better coach, recruiter and person (IMO). Isn't that a fair trade off?
If TC left and the program fell apart or was under NCAA investigation, I could see the animosity. However, Buzz appears to be a better man for the job, leading me to believe that TC's departure was a blessing. Despite bringing in D-Wade and coaching the team to the Final Four, the most lasting "gift" that Crean gave to MU was leaving Milwaukee for Crimsoner pastures.
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on June 02, 2010, 09:48:30 AM
Yes, TC was all of those things but he revived Marquette basketball and after he bolted, the program was given to a much better coach, recruiter and person (IMO). Isn't that a fair trade off?
If TC left and the program fell apart or was under NCAA investigation, I could see the animosity. However, Buzz appears to be a better man for the job, leading me to believe that TC's departure was a blessing. Despite bringing in D-Wade and coaching the team to the Final Four, the most lasting "gift" that Crean gave to MU was leaving Milwaukee for Crimsoner pastures.
Agree 100% with all of the above. TC deserves credit for helping to revive the MU basketball brand, help get us the AL, and took us to a Final Four riding the once a century talent of DWade. Believe Buzz has a much higher ceiling as a coach and recruiter. Just hope he stays for awhile.
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on June 02, 2010, 09:48:30 AM
Yes, TC was all of those things but he revived Marquette basketball and after he bolted, the program was given to a much better coach, recruiter and person (IMO). Isn't that a fair trade off?
If TC left and the program fell apart or was under NCAA investigation, I could see the animosity. However, Buzz appears to be a better man for the job, leading me to believe that TC's departure was a blessing. Despite bringing in D-Wade and coaching the team to the Final Four, the most lasting "gift" that Crean gave to MU was leaving Milwaukee for Crimsoner pastures.
Amen, Mustache.
QuoteYou obviously took the Trans Can which brought you through the Gas City. The Sally Arms is downtown and, in addition to a fine selection of recycled clothing and household goods, offers Alberta's herbalists an excellent choice in water pipes, onyx and brass smoking accessories, and black light art work. Hopefully you took time to gaze in wonder at the world's largest teepee followed by a repast at Tino's. The Hat is a great place to be.
I don't think I have ever come into the middle of a thread and had less of an idea what was going on in my entire life. This paragraph to me was the most confusing and awesomely insider thing I have ever read. I don't know why, but I thought it was really cool and everyone should know/read it again as if they hadn't seen the prior conversation.
Quote from: MUBurrow on June 02, 2010, 03:42:48 PM
everyone should know/read it again as if they hadn't seen the prior conversation.
That was good.
(http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee100/drblue55/largesttepee.jpg)
Quote from: 4everwarriors on May 29, 2010, 05:58:23 PM
This can also be said of Pearl, Lavin, Pastner, Greenberg, et al.
And a fair number of threads on MUScoop.....
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on June 02, 2010, 09:48:30 AM
Yes, TC was all of those things but he revived Marquette basketball and after he bolted, the program was given to a much better coach, recruiter and person (IMO). Isn't that a fair trade off?
If TC left and the program fell apart or was under NCAA investigation, I could see the animosity. However, Buzz appears to be a better man for the job, leading me to believe that TC's departure was a blessing. Despite bringing in D-Wade and coaching the team to the Final Four, the most lasting "gift" that Crean gave to MU was leaving Milwaukee for Crimsoner pastures.
Only a true diehard Crean fan would not be convinced that MU's prospects have improved since his departure. The sucess that Crean had would have made it nearly impossible to push him out. So, I agree completely (as have several others) that Crean's leaving was a fortunate turn of events for Marquette. Like most, I'd much rather have Buzz as the University's face to the college basketball world.
Quote from: LittleMurs on June 02, 2010, 07:08:13 PM
Only a true diehard Crean fan would not be convinced that MU's prospects have improved since his departure. The sucess that Crean had would have made it nearly impossible to push him out. So, I agree completely (as have several others) that Crean's leaving was a fortunate turn of events for Marquette. Like most, I'd much rather have Buzz as the University's face to the college basketball world.
I don't think you are properly categorizing people. You don't have to be a diehard Crean fan or hater to be cautious before saying you want to marry this coach. ;) The NCAA is littered with coaches that inherited great situations, had a few good years and then collapsed and burned. (Or even coaches that didn't inherit great situations, started a house on fire but didn't sustain it.) I don't think that will happen with Buzz, but the point remains that 2 years is a drop in the bucket to evaluate the long term success or even predict with certainty where things will end up.
In a few more years, if things went sour would you change your tune? What if we missed the NCAAs? What if we had some major issues with a recruit (grades, off court, etc)? You get the idea. He's done a great job so far, I do question some of the recruiting risks, I wish we were relying much less on JUCOS (but I get it), but so far a great job. Let's hope he keeps it up.
Some very critical times potentially coming up for MU hoops with conference realignment, etc. We need to remain strong so when the music stops, we have a chair to sit in and a partner to dance with.
Interesting thread to re-read over a month later. Kinda feels like you're in Back to the Future.
Quote from: Litehouse on July 02, 2010, 08:39:58 PM
Interesting thread to re-read over a month later. Kinda feels like you're in Back to the Future.
Kinda feels like this isn't something occurred 'at the eleventh hour' as some have claimed this week.
Quote from: Jay Bee on July 02, 2010, 08:48:36 PM
Kinda feels like this isn't something occurred 'at the eleventh hour' as some have claimed this week.
The "11th hour" thing was the notification to Newbill that he was gone. Wilson was talking to Marquette MONTHS AGO per some of the rumors, who contacted whom is an interesting question as well......
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on July 02, 2010, 08:54:35 PM
The "11th hour" thing was the notification to Newbill that he was gone. Wilson was talking to Marquette MONTHS AGO per some of the rumors, who contacted whom is an interesting question as well......
Why don't you dig into that, SP? Or better yet, don't bother and stick with your normal routine and make things up - I'm sure the conclusions you create in your twisted mind will be good for at least 90 posts over the course of a few hours.
Quote from: Jay Bee on July 02, 2010, 08:57:37 PM
Why don't you dig into that, SP? Or better yet, don't bother and stick with your normal routine and make things up - I'm sure the conclusions you create in your twisted mind will be good for at least 90 posts over the course of a few hours.
There you go again, calling Newbill and his coaches, liars. That certainly should reflect well on prospective recruits. It's always good to call your recruits and their liars, it works really well. ::) As for the Wilson stuff, I said it was a rumor and there are plenty of people on this board that have heard it and talked about it and hinted about it months ago. Take it up with them.
Quote from: Litehouse on July 02, 2010, 08:39:58 PM
Interesting thread to re-read over a month later. Kinda feels like you're in Back to the Future.
I've referenced this thread recently, and in one thread apologized to Golden Avalanche..for calling him out..when what he predicted basically turned out to be true. Point being, if a random Scooper knew back in late May the DJ wasn't coming to MU - I'm sure the Newbill camp had some inclination/understanding as such. In retrospect, I find it very ironic at that very time (end of May) is when Philly Coach and Brad Forester started with their posts.
My conspiracy theory is that: By Philly Coach and Brad posting what they did 1 month ago..perhaps it would back Buzz into a corner and create a PR nightmare for him..if he chose not to bring DJ on campus..assuming PHilly Coach thought Buzz/MU basketball staff reads these boards on occasion - which we know to be true. So, by Philly Coach saying over 1 month ago DJ definitely would be on campus...it now seems like the rug was pulled out from DJ last minute..cause most all of us were lead to believe he'd be here..by Philly Coach. If it was so concrete 1 month ago - I still cannot fathom why he hadn't sent in his MU application. Personally, I think he was told by the MU staff to not send in the application..as we were still recruiting and there was still a chance DJ would be asked to prep (as originally discussed in the recruitment.)
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on July 02, 2010, 09:02:21 PM
There you go again, calling Newbill and his coaches, liars. That certainly should reflect well on prospective recruits. It's always good to call your recruits and their liars, it works really well. ::) As for the Wilson stuff, I said it was a rumor and there are plenty of people on this board that have heard it and talked about it and hinted about it months ago. Take it up with them.
I didn't call anyone a liar - although I have quite a few names that I'll refrain from using for you. Not everything in life is so extreme and cut and dry. No wonder your wife does the things she does.
The highlights in here from my perspective...
Quote from: The Golden Avalanche on May 26, 2010, 11:27:17 AM
I'll write this and walk off into the sunset (hoping the mods delete the thread): the chapter on spring recruiting and adding members to next year's team is not yet over.
People obviously knew what was going on with Newbill.
Quote from: PhillyCoach on May 26, 2010, 12:11:17 PM
its funny how people say things out of ignorance but in case some dont know signing national letter of intent and scholarship papers is a legally binding contract with both parties and before any school sends out the nli or scholarship papers ie contracts the players sat scores and transcript must be reviewed by the universities ncaa complience person who then gives the coaching staff a yea or neh on whether this kid will be qualified by the clearinghouse. If yea scholarship papers are sent to the kid and signed then sat scores and hs transcripts are sent to the ncaa clearinghouse at the time of the signing and again after the kid graduates for final approval. This is done for two reason prob more but the main two r to check core course gpa and align it with the sat score and to make sure each univ or college hav the correct amount of scholarships thats aloted. To go to a prep the kid who is qualified would hav to agree to give up his schollie or it would b a breach of contract. Dj wil be an eagle for sure.
PhillyCoach sure seems to be trying really hard to convince everyone that DJ is coming no matter what because he signed the NLI, almost like MU will be forced to take him. It doesn't matter what conditions were laid out before he signed, those don't matter anymore because they have the signed NLI. MU can't take away the scholie unless they agree, and they're not going to agree.
Quote from: bma725 on May 26, 2010, 02:08:42 PM
No one has been proven wrong about anything and no one will be proven wrong about anything until first semester starts next year. It might be wise to avoid attacking people about being wrong until you see what actually happens.
When bma talks, people listen.
Quote from: PhillyCoach on May 26, 2010, 02:20:06 PM
dj doesnt know about this stuff nor does he need to know. he is very confident in himself as a student athlete and i intend on encouraging him to strive to be the best.
I'm not exactly sure if he's referring to the message board speculation or the alleged contingency deal, but either way, maybe someone should have let DJ know what was going on.
Quote from: PhillyCoach on May 26, 2010, 02:20:06 PM
I know everyone wants big men but if u noticed the game has become guard oriented quality bigs are rare on every level of the game height is needed but talent and team chemistry along with heart and hard working players is wats gona win ball games. Dj chose mu not bcuz of size or name or even the big east he chose mu bcuz he saw a coach that gets the maximum from the players and he had that all of his life so why not continue that process. I think the mu fans and coaches are going to b surprized at wat the will see in dj newbill and im not just say that bcuz im in his circle
That's the first mention of taking a big instead of DJ. It comes from PhillyCoach and it lines up with the unofficial MU version of the story. And again, he keeps hyping DJ, saying we're going to be suprised with what we see.