... at least according to Ohio State Athletic Director Gene Smith.
I think Big Ten arrogance just reached a new level.
QuoteSmith envisions Big Ten schools uniting to "do some things for our country and our world. ... Just imagine schools with cancer centers collaborating to ultimately find a cure."
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/ct-spt-0519-bits-big-ten-meetings--20100518,0,5447382.story (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/ct-spt-0519-bits-big-ten-meetings--20100518,0,5447382.story)
Quote from: TallTitan34 on May 19, 2010, 03:42:35 PM
... at least according to Ohio State Athletic Director Gene Smith.
I think Big Ten arrogance just reached a new level.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/ct-spt-0519-bits-big-ten-meetings--20100518,0,5447382.story (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/ct-spt-0519-bits-big-ten-meetings--20100518,0,5447382.story)
What a radical idea: Collaborate , let me repeat Collaborate , Collaborate ... it could be a hit song; I wonder where he got that idea or schools collaborating on medical issues and scientific research. If they are not doing that now, that is really sad. Instead let's have our taxes reinventing the wheel at multiple schools.
Big Ten expansion could keep Trevor Mbakwe at a school for more than 1 year.
Quote from: ZiggysFryBoy on May 19, 2010, 04:35:29 PM
Big Ten expansion could keep Trevor Mbakwe at a school for more than 1 year.
Everybody underrates Mbakwe. Even a 16 team Big Ten won't be able to contain him. Can you still go to prep school after going to JC and a couple of universities?
Quote from: TallTitan34 on May 19, 2010, 03:42:35 PM
... at least according to Ohio State Athletic Director Gene Smith.
I think Big Ten arrogance just reached a new level.
[Smith envisions Big Ten schools uniting to "do some things for our country and our world. ... Just imagine schools with cancer centers collaborating to ultimately find a cure."]
I thought they were doing this already through the use of peer reviewing research. In addition, certain research results must be duplicated elsewhere so this fragmentation of research institutions is actually not a bad idea. Furthermore, Big Pharma actually gets a lot of their research subsidized through the NHS and other government institutions that hand out grants to PHD programs in order to do research. Furthermore, those pharma companies use PHD researchers/professors at the top notch institutions as consultants(see northwestern for example) too.
His comment are very arrogant since he doesn't understand the nature of PHD programs and the need for independence among institutions for Grad students doing research so they can earn their PHD in the future. Furthermore, these institutions can collaborate with something known as the internet and telephone. Adding one more institution won't change anything.
I feel a theme for a thread coming on ...
Big Ten expansion could end the threat of Islamic extremism ...
Big Ten expansion could halt global warming ...
Big Ten expansion could resolve Marquette's Dean issue ...
Big Ten Expansion will eliminate threads about Tom Crean on MUScoop.
Quote from: Henry Sugar on May 19, 2010, 09:43:11 PM
Big Ten Expansion will eliminate threads about Tom Crean on MUScoop.
hahaha, that's exactly what I was thinking when I saw the previous post. If that is what it takes, I'm all for it.
Why do they need to be in the same conference to collaborate? Shouldn't big ten schools already be working with Havard, Yale, Texas, and whatever other schools out there are doing research in similar fields.
What a load of bullshit
Quote from: GOO on May 19, 2010, 04:29:22 PM
What a radical idea: Collaborate , let me repeat Collaborate , Collaborate ... it could be a hit song;
Thank you for putting this guy's song in my head
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MxN_pbMOFk0
Quote from: thatman32 on May 19, 2010, 05:09:21 PM
I thought they were doing this already through the use of peer reviewing research. In addition, certain research results must be duplicated elsewhere so this fragmentation of research institutions is actually not a bad idea. Furthermore, Big Pharma actually gets a lot of their research subsidized through the NHS and other government institutions that hand out grants to PHD programs in order to do research. Furthermore, those pharma companies use PHD researchers/professors at the top notch institutions as consultants(see northwestern for example) too.
His comment are very arrogant since he doesn't understand the nature of PHD programs and the need for independence among institutions for Grad students doing research so they can earn their PHD in the future. Furthermore, these institutions can collaborate with something known as the internet and telephone. Adding one more institution won't change anything.
A high ranking Ohio State official "doesn't understand the nature of PHD programs?"
Please...
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on May 20, 2010, 06:58:11 AM
A high ranking Ohio State official "doesn't understand the nature of PHD programs?"
Please...
you're joking, right?
No. Why would I be joking? The guy's worked in higher ed since he graduated college. His wife has a doctorate.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on May 20, 2010, 07:43:43 AM
No. Why would I be joking? The guy's worked in higher ed since he graduated college. His wife has a doctorate.
Is it too much of a stretch to believe his wife probably knows a lot more than he does? Heck, my wife has one more graduate degree than I do, and apparently, I'm never right about anything.
Quote from: thatman32 on May 19, 2010, 05:09:21 PM
I thought they were doing this already through the use of peer reviewing research. In addition, certain research results must be duplicated elsewhere so this fragmentation of research institutions is actually not a bad idea. Furthermore, Big Pharma actually gets a lot of their research subsidized through the NHS and other government institutions that hand out grants to PHD programs in order to do research. Furthermore, those pharma companies use PHD researchers/professors at the top notch institutions as consultants(see northwestern for example) too.
His comment are very arrogant since he doesn't understand the nature of PHD programs and the need for independence among institutions for Grad students doing research so they can earn their PHD in the future. Furthermore, these institutions can collaborate with something known as the internet and telephone. Adding one more institution won't change anything.
Perhaps you were unaware of the formal academic/research relationship between the Big Ten schools along with the University of Chicago:
http://www.cic.net/Home.aspx (http://www.cic.net/Home.aspx)
I think MU fans protest too much about this--the Big Ten schools have long collaborated on research and academics. Criticizing them for such efforts seems to be arrogance (or ignorance) on our part--not theirs.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on May 20, 2010, 07:43:43 AM
No. Why would I be joking? The guy's worked in higher ed since he graduated college. His wife has a doctorate.
So as the AD for a university one must necessarily have an understanding of how every department at that university operates?
OSU's AD arrogant? He is an ND grad. Explanation enough?
Quote from: TJ on May 20, 2010, 08:31:36 AM
So as the AD for a university one must necessarily have an understanding of how every department at that university operates?
<sigh> Of course not....stop overreaching. However, I think it's clear that he "understands the nature of PhD programs."
Quote from: Marquette84 on May 20, 2010, 08:21:15 AM
Perhaps you were unaware of the formal academic/research relationship between the Big Ten schools along with the University of Chicago:
http://www.cic.net/Home.aspx (http://www.cic.net/Home.aspx)
I think MU fans protest too much about this--the Big Ten schools have long collaborated on research and academics. Criticizing them for such efforts seems to be arrogance (or ignorance) on our part--not theirs.
Thanks for finding that website. Once again that disproves the idea, again, that these institutions don't collaborate and that being in the same conference breeds collaboration. The quote by the OS AD pretty much stating that the big ten will unite and cure cancer(like captain planet) may be seen as arrogant but you can also view it as totally laughable. Conference affiliation should be not highly correlated with collaboration. The ohio state AD makes it seem like the two are high correlated when they are not.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on May 20, 2010, 08:39:51 AM
<sigh> Of course not....stop overreaching. However, I think it's clear that he "understands the nature of PhD programs."
How? By running an Athletic department?
Quote from: TJ on May 20, 2010, 09:00:50 AM
How? By running an Athletic department?
*I* understand the nature of PhD programs and I don't work on the academic side of the university. It's not like it's some super-secret ritual that is only shared with those who have doctoral degrees.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on May 20, 2010, 09:09:29 AM
*I* understand the nature of PhD programs and I don't work on the academic side of the university. It's not like it's some super-secret ritual that is only shared with those who have doctoral degrees.
Ah. So you think it's common knowledge, rather than something he knows because of his position as a high ranking university official.
Quote from: TJ on May 20, 2010, 09:14:45 AM
Ah. So you think it's common knowledge, rather than something he knows because of his position as a high ranking university official.
I am a high ranking university official
Could we rename this thread "The Nature of PhD Programs in America and Who Should Understand Them."
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on May 20, 2010, 09:28:08 AM
I am a high ranking university official
well then I am at a loss. :)
I just don't see why being AD means that he must know how the academic side of the university works. Maybe he does; I just don't think we can tell that from his job title.
Can someone explain the nature of PHD programs so that I can decide if I understand them?
Quote from: Marquette84 on May 20, 2010, 08:21:15 AM
I think MU fans protest too much about this--the Big Ten schools have long collaborated on research and academics. Criticizing them for such efforts seems to be arrogance (or ignorance) on our part--not theirs.
But the AD is saying that it's not about money. Can you make anymore of a BS statement than that?
If the schools wanted to collaborate on research right now, nothing is stopping them. They don't need a football conference championship game and more BTN subscribers to do this. Anyone who says conference expansion is about anything other than money is lying.
Quote from: Litehouse on May 20, 2010, 11:38:37 AM
If the schools wanted to collaborate on research right now, nothing is stopping them. They don't need a football conference championship game and more BTN subscribers to do this. Anyone who says conference expansion is about anything other than money is lying.
No one is saying it isn't about the money....but the research money that an expanded Committee on Institutional Cooperation(aka academic Big 10) would bring in dwarfs the money the BTN would bring in.
Quote from: RawdogDX on May 20, 2010, 10:03:55 AM
Can someone explain the nature of PHD programs so that I can decide if I understand them?
I agree, I have a JD, MBA, and am working on my LLM, and I dont understand how adding another member school is going to increase research dollars to the other Big Televen schools. The quote, on its' face, from this slappy, is either arrogant, or stupid.
To me, it's mostly about adding market share to increase the TV deal.
Quote from: Henry Sugar on May 19, 2010, 09:43:11 PM
Big Ten Expansion will eliminate threads about Tom Crean on MUScoop.
I am EXTREMELY disappointed that you did not make your post in teal. Did you ever stop to think that someone who was naive enough to think that eliminating such threads was possible would for a moment at least think that you were serious? Did you take any time to think through the potential devastation that they would experience when they did realize that you were making a joke, and that there was no real possibility for this pipe dream coming true? PLEASE THINK before you post the next time, and avoid playing Russian roulette with the mental well being of your fellow posters!!!