While everyone is creaming themselves over the Gardner signing and subsequent rejoicing that Mbao is staying, has the thought occurred that possibly another recruit will commit to MU and therefore someone else would leave?
While I would love to see Noreen in a Warrior uni, I said from the start that it is unlikely. Wouldn't surprise me in the least if Hahn came on board. Buzz loves his Texas pipeline.
Weren't there rumors of Hahn trying to walk on?
I don't get the whole walk on situation I assumed that we already did not have a walk on. In addition although I don't know much about Hahn why in God's name would someone do that?
Quote from: jhags15 on May 03, 2010, 07:59:31 PM
I don't get the whole walk on situation I assumed that we already did not have a walk on. In addition although I don't know much about Hahn why in God's name would someone do that?
I'm pretty certain that players have passed on D1 scholarships to smaller schools to walk-on to bigger school. Maybe just a matter of preference.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on May 03, 2010, 07:44:37 PM
While everyone is creaming themselves over the Gardner signing and subsequent rejoicing that Mbao is staying, has the thought occurred that possibly another recruit will commit to MU and therefore someone else would leave?
While I would love to see Noreen in a Warrior uni, I said from the start that it is unlikely. Wouldn't surprise me in the least if Hahn came on board. Buzz loves his Texas pipeline.
Definite possibility of another recruit.
Wouldn't surprise me, but I have a feeling it would be someone out of left field. Then again, I thought Gardner was going to USF.
We've had 3 visitors this month. Dieng, who chose UL. Noreen is a long shot I think. I guess it comes down to if there's legit interest in Hahn, or if Buzz was giving him a look as a courtesy to a friend back home.
Haven't seen any info on Hahns HS or prep stats, team record, awards, etc.. Why are we excited about this kid other than being 7 foot?
My opinion is that Gardner was the last. Noreen was the only one that had a chance, and either Buzz cooled on him or he didn't think he'd get him.
The Buzzer is still looking for 2010
With Mbakwe and Roseboro not making it through the summer, maybe it is better to keep looking. You never know.
Unless there are issues that we fans do not know about, I hope Buzz starts forming relationships for 2011 and 2012. Great base of talent already at MU. I think Buzz has enough talent for two or three consecutive finishes top 4 in the Big East and Sweet 16 favorites. Those two classes could make MU dangerous.
Quote from: HoopsMalone on May 03, 2010, 10:01:11 PM
With Mbakwe and Roseboro not making it through the summer, maybe it is better to keep looking. You never know.
Unless there are issues that we fans do not know about, I hope Buzz starts forming relationships for 2011 and 2012. Great base of talent already at MU. I think Buzz has enough talent for two or three consecutive finishes top 4 in the Big East and Sweet 16 favorites. Those two classes could make MU dangerous.
And I hope the first relationship he works on is whoever goes to a prep school (if someone indeed goes). There wasn't a recruit in the class that I hoped would leave. I think each had a bright future of being at least a very good role player on the team as an upper classman.
Quote from: jhags15 on May 03, 2010, 07:59:31 PM
I don't get the whole walk on situation I assumed that we already did not have a walk on. In addition although I don't know much about Hahn why in God's name would someone do that?
To avoid going to Texas State? Because he assumes he's getting a full ride next year after he shows his stuff.
Because he thinks that Forzena looks like a good guy to talk to on the bench? Because he assumes that MU is going to make to the final four his senior year and he wants to spend that weekend in the hotel room of his gorgeous cheerleader girlfriend, instead of the team hotel. (See Craig Butrym)
Quote from: NCMUFan on May 03, 2010, 09:16:07 PM
Haven't seen any info on Hahns HS or prep stats, team record, awards, etc.. Why are we excited about this kid other than being 7 foot?
Already 250 lbs. Has spent time away from home at a military school, so he'll be more acclimated to being at a college. Great potential for tag line; "The Wrath of Hahn".
Quote from: jhags15 on May 03, 2010, 07:59:31 PMwhy in God's name would someone do that?
Because they want to play basketball. Michael Olowokandi did it at Pacific. He eventually earned a scholarship (and became the #1 pick in the NBA draft) and it certainly isn't common, but it's not unheard of. If he wants a good education, is eligible for other grants and scholarships, and thinks he has the game to eventually earn that scholarship through his play, it's not impossible. And who knows...maybe he'd rather walk on somewhere where he would have a chance of regularly playing in the NCAAs than go to somewhere like North Texas where his best shot would be as a 15-seeded sacrifice to Ohio State or someone like that.
Just for the sake of a laugh, I went over and checked out the Badgers message boards regarding this signing and found an interesting tidbit.
What we used to call "HouseCreaning" they are now calling "Buzzcutting".
Stay classy Badger fans.
Quote from: GOMUWFB on May 04, 2010, 12:32:00 AM
Just for the sake of a laugh, I went over and checked out the Badgers message boards regarding this signing and found an interesting tidbit.
What we used to call "HouseCreaning" they are now calling "Buzzcutting".
Stay classy Badger fans.
Since that suggestion originated on this board, it's nice to know that they are monitoring our posts. Can't blame them, our board has to be more interesting, especially when all you have to talk about is whether Bo is losing his player evaluation skills when a player whose game is caught in a rut decommits in time for Bo to find the next Duje Dukan.
Quote from: LittleMurs on May 03, 2010, 11:48:13 PM
Already 250 lbs. Has spent time away from home at a military school, so he'll be more acclimated to being at a college. Great potential for tag line; "The Wrath of Hahn".
That's three really solid points right there. Don't underestimate the power of a great tag line.
Quote from: GOMUWFB on May 04, 2010, 12:32:00 AM
Just for the sake of a laugh, I went over and checked out the Badgers message boards regarding this signing and found an interesting tidbit.
What we used to call "HouseCreaning" they are now calling "Buzzcutting".
Stay classy Badger fans.
Way to feed the Badgers Chicos
Quote from: GOMUWFB on May 04, 2010, 12:32:00 AM
Just for the sake of a laugh, I went over and checked out the Badgers message boards regarding this signing and found an interesting tidbit.
What we used to call "HouseCreaning" they are now calling "Buzzcutting".
Stay classy Badger fans.
Yeah, well I'm not clever enough to come up with a phrase to call what Bo did to Ian Markholf. They seriously can't think that's voluntary can they?
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on May 04, 2010, 07:45:00 AM
Yeah, well I'm not clever enough to come up with a phrase to call what Bo did to Ian Markholf. They seriously can't think that's voluntary can they?
He got Bo-toxed.
Quote from: BrewCity on May 04, 2010, 08:16:23 AM
He got Bo-toxed.
I thought the proper term was Bo-ning. As in, Coach Ryan is Bo-ning Markolf so he can bring in another guard.
How about BO BOOTED
Markolf was not runoff like MU players are. He doesn't love the game and is staying at Madison. He has no desire to change schools and/or play basketball anymore. He happens to be 7 feet tall but is a lot smarter than he is a good player.
Here we have a recruit that signed a LOI that is being reneged on by Marquette. And Buzz is still actively trying to sign another player so another signed kid will have to go too.
Not sure how the treatment of the Markolf is comparable. If Bo ran off players Gavinski would've been gone in August of his freshman summer earlier than Roseboro was sent packing.
Yet here he is is returning for a 5th year gobbling up a scholly. That would not play at Marquette these days.
Most of my MU friends have no problem with this philosophy..."it is a business" they say. I thought we were trying educate kids.
Quote from: butchbadger on May 04, 2010, 09:28:17 AM
Markolf was not runoff like MU players are. He doesn't love the game and is staying at Madison. He has no desire to change schools and/or play basketball anymore. He happens to be 7 feet tall but is a lot smarter than he is a good player.
Here we have a recruit that signed a LOI that is being reneged on by Marquette. And Buzz is still actively trying to sign another player so another signed kid will have to go too.
Not sure how the treatment of the Markolf is comparable. If Bo ran off players Gavinski would've been gone in August of his freshman summer earlier than Roseboro was sent packing.
Yet here he is is returning for a 5th year gobbling up a scholly. That would not play at Marquette these days.
Most of my MU friends have no problem with this philosophy..."it is a business" they say. I thought we were trying educate kids.
Isn't that the same line MU people use re: Saunders?? If Crean really was looking to dick over a recruit and do some "house-creaning" wouldn't he have kept the better prospect in Saunders and booted Hazel?
Otherwise, all the other departures were down to the prospect themself. So, isn't it much ado about nothing?
Quote from: butchbadger on May 04, 2010, 09:28:17 AM
Markolf was not runoff like MU players are. He doesn't love the game and is staying at Madison. He has no desire to change schools and/or play basketball anymore. He happens to be 7 feet tall but is a lot smarter than he is a good player.
Here we have a recruit that signed a LOI that is being reneged on by Marquette. And Buzz is still actively trying to sign another player so another signed kid will have to go too.
Not sure how the treatment of the Markolf is comparable. If Bo ran off players Gavinski would've been gone in August of his freshman summer earlier than Roseboro was sent packing.
Yet here he is is returning for a 5th year gobbling up a scholly. That would not play at Marquette these days.
You keep those rose colored glasses on butch. And my guess is you don't know what is going on at MU so your assumptions are only making you look like an a** or however that saying goes. I am actually surprised that you badger fans are not giddy that there is even a small chance that Blue might be the one who might not make the grade. Wasn't it your fan base that was all over Blue when he de-committed that he was juco material? I guess even you guys don't believe the garbage you spew.
I can say with 100% certainty that it won't be Blue. He's too good.
So a UW badger quits and its all good. MU coach's think a player won't qualify and it's running off a player. Plus, for all we know a player has told Buzz they won't be playing next year. Buzz knows what is going on, we don't (and yes, that includes Badger fans). Buzz is known for being honest and straight forward. Maybe he and the recruits know what is going on, and we and the Badger fans don't.
Maybe Gavinski should be given a prize for not giving in to the pressure to voluntarily give up his scholarship. Being left home on a road game where walk-ons traveled. Maybe it was one of the two and Gavinski didn't give in? If the rolls were reversed, we know what this Badger fan would say, and it would be worse than this speculation. Keep the Red glasses on and ignore the obvious.
Quote from: butchbadger on May 04, 2010, 09:28:17 AM
Markolf was not runoff like MU players are. He doesn't love the game and is staying at Madison. He has no desire to change schools and/or play basketball anymore. He happens to be 7 feet tall but is a lot smarter than he is a good player.
Here we have a recruit that signed a LOI that is being reneged on by Marquette. And Buzz is still actively trying to sign another player so another signed kid will have to go too.
Not sure how the treatment of the Markolf is comparable. If Bo ran off players Gavinski would've been gone in August of his freshman summer earlier than Roseboro was sent packing.
Yet here he is is returning for a 5th year gobbling up a scholly. That would not play at Marquette these days.
Most of my MU friends have no problem with this philosophy..."it is a business" they say. I thought we were trying educate kids.
AFAIK, Markolf was not run off the team. He is a smart kid, and saw the writing on the wall.
As for the rest of your post, it is a bit of a reach. The LOI of a player isn't being reneged on. Someone did not qualify academically, which isn't exactly good either.
Buzz SAYING he is actively recruiting another player (wait, where did you read that he was still actively recruiting another player, again?) is different from signing another player.
It must be hard to live up on that isolated hill in Madison looking down on the rest of us, claiming moral high ground when the basketball and football programs have two totally different academic standards. Bo probably has some reason (see: ego) that won't let him give up on a kid no matter how much of a mistake he was to recruit, but lets not pretend that the ONLY reason can be that he is just a great guy, and is looking out for his kid's best interest. It really can be spun either way, based on perspective.
Quote from: butchbadger on May 04, 2010, 09:28:17 AM
Markolf was not runoff like MU players are. He doesn't love the game and is staying at Madison. He has no desire to change schools and/or play basketball anymore. He happens to be 7 feet tall but is a lot smarter than he is a good player.
Here we have a recruit that signed a LOI that is being reneged on by Marquette. And Buzz is still actively trying to sign another player so another signed kid will have to go too.
Not sure how the treatment of the Markolf is comparable. If Bo ran off players Gavinski would've been gone in August of his freshman summer earlier than Roseboro was sent packing.
Yet here he is is returning for a 5th year gobbling up a scholly. That would not play at Marquette these days.
Most of my MU friends have no problem with this philosophy..."it is a business" they say. I thought we were trying educate kids.
You have no clue what you are talking about, no idea what is really going on, and here you are again, up on your high horse, criticizing Buzz and Marquette for "running players off." Can you at least acknowledge that you don't REALLY know what's going on, you are just pretending to under the guise of your Badger fandom?
I do not know what is going. Not sure any one does.
But I do see a pattern developing. I remember when Saunders suddenly couldn't get into school in summer but was qualified. There were too many players then too.
In the eys of badger fans there are zero programs that do things the "right way" and have a better program or can beat UW. Its quite a fantasy land.
Quote from: butchbadger on May 04, 2010, 10:21:28 AM
I do not know what is going. Not sure any one does.
But I do see a pattern developing. I remember when Saunders suddenly couldn't get into school in summer but was qualified. There were too many players then too.
You're right, there's a clear pattern of Marquette coaches recruiting year round, as opposed to Bo who is apparently too busy planning his retirement and golfing to bother with such things.
Things change, even after a LOI is signed. An obligation is created, but if the parties mutually agree to go their separate ways, I don't see the harm. You are presuming something nefarious is going on behind the scenes because you are a Badger fan. Get over yourself.
Quote from: butchbadger on May 04, 2010, 09:28:17 AM
Markolf was not runoff like MU players are. He doesn't love the game and is staying at Madison. He has no desire to change schools and/or play basketball anymore. He happens to be 7 feet tall but is a lot smarter than he is a good player.
That's just flat out false. Markholf was given a choice, either accept a full-academic scholarship, quit the team and keep quiet, or we will pull your scholarship. I have heard this from multiple, unrelated people associated with the program. You are correct that in the end he decided to just quit basketball, but to say he wasn't run off is simply not true. Period.
Also, you brought up Gavinski. There are other reasons that he was kept around, but Bo did learn from that mistake and will not redshirt projects like him again.
Quote from: butchbadger on May 04, 2010, 09:28:17 AM
Here we have a recruit that signed a LOI that is being reneged on by Marquette. And Buzz is still actively trying to sign another player so another signed kid will have to go too.
No one knows enough to know if the LOI is being "reneged" by Marquette, or if a player didn't qualify.
Quote from: butchbadger on May 04, 2010, 09:48:38 AM
I can say with 100% certainty that it won't be Blue. He's too good.
Better than Dwyane Wade? Insinuating MU will pull a Derrick Rose ala Memphis is incredibly low. Disappointing, as in the past you've made some relatively even handed posts.
Sultan, you are one of the few level headed posters here and I respect your opinion. I have heard differently about Markolf -that he is paying his own way. He is a Minnesota resident so he would pay in state tuition.
I am not sure your scenario would even be legal other wise it would happen all the time at the dirty schools.
I know a lot of people close , very close, to the program and have heard zero mention of an academic scholarship.
Quote from: butchbadger on May 04, 2010, 09:28:17 AM
If Bo ran off players Gavinski would've been gone in August of his freshman summer earlier than Roseboro was sent packing.
The difference is Gavinski is the home town kid who always dreamed of being a Badger and is just happy to be there. It seems pretty plausable to me that Bo and Buzz could each have the exact same conversation with Gavinski and Roseboro "you're not going to get any playing time here, maybe you should consider your options elsewhere", and Gavinski sticks around and Roseboro leaves.
I didn't say or insinuate that some other kid would take his ACT for him. Not at all.
But MU, UW, and almost every athletic program in the world gets the kids they want in to school (if they qualify and it's hard not to). That is why this and D. Saunders appears so transparent.
But if it came down to getting the players in they wanted, why take Hazel over Saunders? Saunders was clearly the more talented player and more highly regarded recruit. Getting busted with pot over the summer may not have helped Saunders admission process, it may not have just been his grades, since he obviously qualified under NCAA standards.
Quote from: butchbadger on May 04, 2010, 10:59:20 AM
Sultan, you are one of the few level headed posters here and I respect your opinion. I have heard differently about Markolf -that he is paying his own way. He is a Minnesota resident so he would pay in state tuition.
I am not sure your scenario would even be legal other wise it would happen all the time at the dirty schools.
I know a lot of people close , very close, to the program and have heard zero mention of an academic scholarship.
Well, I can't claim you heard wrong. I just know what I have been told. Part of the issue from what I understanad is that Bo does not want a repeat of tying up a roster spot like he is with Gavinski. And Markholf is from Texas isn't he?
His parents moved shortly after he was signed theoretically so they could see him play. :-\
Quote from: babytownfrolics on May 04, 2010, 10:34:05 AM
You're right, there's a clear pattern of Marquette coaches recruiting year round, as opposed to Bo who is apparently too busy planning his retirement and golfing to bother with such things.
The problem some people don't see is that work gets in the way of golf too often....bash Bo all you want, but not for golfing.
Butch, I have also heard some negatives coming out about Evan Anderson. Specifically, whether or not they should "waste" a redshirt year for him or not.
Quote from: butchbadger on May 04, 2010, 11:02:25 AM
I didn't say or insinuate that some other kid would take his ACT for him. Not at all.
But MU, UW, and almost every athletic program in the world gets the kids they want in to school (if they qualify and it's hard not to). That is why this and D. Saunders appears so transparent.
You're assuming the worse case scenario - that MU will ax a fully qualified and signed recruit in favor of a perceived better one that has come along. Blue, Jones, Crowder and Smith are all rated MUCH higher than Gardner so that leaves only Newbill. If he is "pushed" aside to make room for Gardner you're likely right. ANY other scenario means there's more to it than we know and refutes your assumptions.
the news on Evan has been bad since his sophomore year when I believe he was a top 10 in his class.
There is hope he can at least be a defensive player. Redshirt is doubtful unless he show at least some flashes.
Quote from: butchbadger on May 04, 2010, 11:02:25 AM
I didn't say or insinuate that some other kid would take his ACT for him. Not at all.
But MU, UW, and almost every athletic program in the world gets the kids they want in to school (if they qualify and it's hard not to). That is why this and D. Saunders appears so transparent.
Maybe you should have let Kevin O'Neil and Bob Dukiet know that they could get almost every player they wanted into Marquette. They could have used that against the administration for the players they couldn't get in. Crean as well for one WI player.
As for Saunders, he was a stud who averaged in his high 20's per game as a senior and had a great prep year, as I remember. He was also a great player. Hazel was a big reach. Again, if your going to run off a player, it wasn't going to be Saunders!!! Ignore the obvious, again Badger and make it into what it isn't. Maybe the story is he couldn't get admitted, but just maybe his legal problems were the reason that he wasn't admitted as much as grades. The school is only going to bend so far, regardless if it is UW or MU. Crean would have liked to have had Saunders. He couldn't get him in with the baggage.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on May 04, 2010, 11:45:34 AM
You're assuming the worse case scenario - that MU will ax a fully qualified and signed recruit in favor of a perceived better one that has come along. Blue, Jones, Crowder and Smith are all rated MUCH higher than Gardner so that leaves only Newbill. If he is "pushed" aside to make room for Gardner you're likely right. ANY other scenario means there's more to it than we know and refutes your assumptions.
It had been speculated in the past that "what if" a player is allowed to sign a LOI, but knows that he will have to prep for a year. Is it wrong for the player or for MU?
Markolf got BONED.
Quote from: GOO on May 04, 2010, 12:19:27 PM
It had been speculated in the past that "what if" a player is allowed to sign a LOI, but knows that he will have to prep for a year. Is it wrong for the player or for MU?
Well, they are both sacrificing the known. If the player tanks or gets injured in prep school, MU is not beholden to offer a scholarship. OTOH, if the player "blows up" in prep school, he may go to UK instead of MU.
If I were a player like that, I would rather sign the LOI and get the scholarship while I could.
Quote from: butchbadger on May 04, 2010, 09:28:17 AM
Markolf was not runoff like MU players are. He doesn't love the game and is staying at Madison. He has no desire to change schools and/or play basketball anymore. He happens to be 7 feet tall but is a lot smarter than he is a good player.
Here we have a recruit that signed a LOI that is being reneged on by Marquette. And Buzz is still actively trying to sign another player so another signed kid will have to go too.
Not sure how the treatment of the Markolf is comparable. If Bo ran off players Gavinski would've been gone in August of his freshman summer earlier than Roseboro was sent packing.
Yet here he is is returning for a 5th year gobbling up a scholly. That would not play at Marquette these days.
Most of my MU friends have no problem with this philosophy..."it is a business" they say. I thought we were trying educate kids.
You have absolutely no idea what Buzz Williams is communicating to his players and recruits.
I can guarantee there is no "renegging" being done by Williams with any of his players.
So Mark, if DJ Newbill and/or all the other signed recruits are qualified, but aren't on scholarship at MU next year what will you call it?
Buzz's nebulous "earn the right to be here" statement doesn't hold water when too many kids are signed unless someone is not academically qualified.
Bo has run off Markolf and his recruit Hodges. They both got Bo'ned.
Not surprising as Bo's need for another guard was dire and he had to get another scholarship guard on roster. Just feel bad for Markolf.
Butch, there are different ways to send messages. Don't you think the fact that Bo was playing walk-ons time and again before Gavinski and Markoff was a passive-agressive way of sending a message... i.e. running them off or in the case of Gavinski trying to run them off? Hell, the walk-ons even traveled with the team a few times over Ian or JP. If that doesn't send a message, I don't know what does. Look at how many minutes Markoff had last year and then look at the most minutes a walk-on had last year.
Get off your mighty horse. There is running a player off, and there is sending a message. In the end, it truly isn't that different. You might want to believe it is to further your elitist attitude, but Ian was run-off period. Playing him less than ten total minutes and not allowing him to travel to road games is a way of saying we don't want you here. Ian got the message and left. Had Bo had some stones, he could have simply told him he wasn't renewing his scholly this year. It really isn't that different. I don't condone the practice, but what irks me is the elitist attitude. Bo has his way of running guys off too.
Quote from: butchbadger on May 05, 2010, 05:38:22 PM
So Mark, if DJ Newbill and/or all the other signed recruits are qualified,but aren't on scholarshipat MU next year what will you call it?
Buzz's nebulous "earn the right to be here" statement doesn't hold water when too many kids are signed unless someone is not academically qualified.
Buzz Williams is nothing if not honest. He is upfront with recruits, with their parents, with the current players on the team, with his coaching staff, with the media, with his superiors, etc.
Despite what you want everyone to believe, there is no deception involved.
I would say the exact same thing about Bo Ryan, Rob Jeter and Brian Wardle.
Quote from: butchbadger on May 05, 2010, 05:38:22 PM
So Mark, if DJ Newbill and/or all the other signed recruits are qualified,but aren't on scholarshipat MU next year what will you call it?
Buzz's nebulous "earn the right to be here" statement doesn't hold water when too many kids are signed unless someone is not academically qualified.
You are such a joke. Keep it up, you're just making yourself and Badger fans look bad.
Quote from: butchbadger on May 05, 2010, 05:38:22 PM
So Mark, if DJ Newbill and/or all the other signed recruits are qualified,but aren't on scholarshipat MU next year what will you call it?
Buzz's nebulous "earn the right to be here" statement doesn't hold water when too many kids are signed unless someone is not academically qualified.
Butch, you may want to bow out now. Arguing against the guy who knows more about HS basketball in the state of Wisconsin than anyone makes you look pretty foolish.
Quote from: mufanatic on May 03, 2010, 08:57:36 PM
Definite possibility of another recruit.
That would be awesome.
Quote from: butchbadger on May 05, 2010, 05:38:22 PM
So Mark, if DJ Newbill and/or all the other signed recruits are qualified,but aren't on scholarshipat MU next year what will you call it?
Buzz's nebulous "earn the right to be here" statement doesn't hold water when too many kids are signed unless someone is not academically qualified.
Hmmmm........I don't know.
If he mentions a recruit by name, it gets me intrigued. I'm going to say he knows something. And I'm going to say others are limiting the damage until the news comes out.
Think I'm wrong on Smith. Perhaps the above prospect is the one we will miss out on?
Butch has lost any credibility that he had left. Thanks Mark.
Yes Mark blew me away with the comment that his favorite team's coach is honest (in his opinion). ::)
He did not, however, answer a simple and direct question.
I'll spoil the suspense --Newbill is not coming.
Butch Baby,
It's wild that you know all this sheet and the rest of us "insiders" as clueless. Are you better known as Bo?
Quote from: butchbadger on May 05, 2010, 09:37:22 PM
I'll spoil the suspense --Newbill is not coming.
Let's hear your source, Columbo.
Quote from: butchbadger on May 05, 2010, 09:37:22 PM
Yes Mark blew me away with the comment that his favorite team's coach is honest (in his opinion). ::)
He did not, however, answer a simple and direct question.
I'll spoil the suspense --Newbill is not coming.
You may be right about Newbill. If you are, you have more information than the rest of us, which is curious considering your level of dislike for Marquette basketball. Wonder who your source is and if said source knows you spill your "inside" information behind an anonymous screen name all over the internet.
However, I can tell you for an absolute, rock-solid fact you are not right about Buzz Williams. He has been completely forthright with all of his players and recruits.
Not a great year to live near the Glass House on the Rock.
- Two players arrested for theft
- The local shill prints what he is told except it is confidential information about a minor
- The top rated local recruit "unverbals" and commits to an in-state rival
- A quality student athlete suddenly loses interest and his athletic free ride--although his coach has been recruiting for his spot for months
- Another early recruit decommits based upon message board whispers
- The school petitions the conference on behalf of another school member's recruit
- The next local top recruit, who may be the best ever from the state, is awaiting some paperwork from Big Roy
Simply a stellar year for a Bo Job.
I'll ask again,
If one or more of these recruits that are signed are in good academic standing then if not reneged, what happened to the agreement? Is there another word I should have used?
Clearly this would not be the players choice to play at a prep school rather than a very high major.
For the record, I do not hate MU. My parents are alums and I was big fan until I met and got to know Tom Crean.
My father went to MUHS, MU and Law School. Rarely misses a game or a chance to donate. He is not a fan of what is happening now. He is not alone. But as I stated most of the rest of my MU friends just want to be entertained and to see a winning team.
You can all pretend to be outraged by me pointing this out. The fact remains that it is likely that in consecutive offseasons a signed recruit will not see the 1st day of class. That doesn't happen at a lot of programs in all honesty.
The answer to your question is contained in your last post.
You're a smart guy, figure it out.
"I was big fan until I met and got to know Tom Crean."
BB, maybe you're OK after all?
Quote from: MarkMiller on May 05, 2010, 10:02:07 PM
However, I can tell you for an absolute, rock-solid fact you are not right about Buzz Williams. He has been completely forthright with all of his players and recruits.
Let's just say Newbill is the one who is gone. How is it being forthright with a prospect by taking a verbal commitment from him in January; taking a signed LOI from him in April; and then releasing him from the program in May?
That's an awful tough turnaround in five months for a teenager. Especially one who reportedly came in with good standing on the court and in the classroom.
Quote from: butchbadger on May 05, 2010, 10:13:36 PM
I'll ask again,
If one or more of these recruits that are signed are in good academic standing then if not reneged, what happened to the agreement? Is there another word I should have used?
Clearly this would not be the players choice to play at a prep school rather than a very high major.For the record, I do not hate MU. My parents are alums and I was big fan until I met and got to know Tom Crean.
My father went to MUHS, MU and Law School. Rarely misses a game or a chance to donate. He is not a fan of what is happening now. He is not alone. But as I stated most of the rest of my MU friends just want to be entertained and to see a winning team.
You can all pretend to be outraged by me pointing this out. The fact remains that it is likely that in consecutive offseasons a signed recruit will not see the 1st day of class. That doesn't happen at a lot of programs in all honesty.
So, what you are saying is kids NEVER choose to play at a prep school instead of attend a High major D1 school??? Kadeem Jack says Hi Butch.
Jack to South Kent; St. John's Staffing Update; Hofstra Release; Cothron to Auburn
Posted on May 4, 2010 2:52 pm
Kadeem Jack is headed to South Kent, a prep school in Connecticut, for a year before going on to college.
"I spoke to Kadeem Jack last [Monday] night and he gave me every indication that he will be attending South Kent next year," South Kent coach Kelvin Jefferson said Tuesday.
Jack himself texted various Arizona media outlets with the same news.
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Felt like I needed 2 get my skills and my body and my confidence up so when I go into college I can make a much bigger impact," Jack told Bruce Pascoe of the Arizona Daily Star.Jack's move to prep school was first reported here on April 27.
It was a surprising development because the 6-foot-9 senior forward holds offers from Arizona, ARkansas, UConn, Miami and St. John's, yet he feels a prep year will benefit him."
Do I think he needs to go?" Rice coach Moe Hicks asked SNY.tv last week, referring to prep school. "No, I don't. I think he's good enough to come right out of Rice High School and play at that high level. Ultimately, it's his decision. I wish him the best."Please quit talking out of your a$$ or you will be made fool of. Sounds to me like Jack had offers from high major schools and yet opted for Prep School not because his grades are suffering, but because he wants to improve his game, and it was HIS decision. Hmmmm imagine that. Has the thought ever occured to you that Buzz is just smarter then a lot of other Coaches out there and is using this prep school route as a way of "stashing" players?? The player agrees to Prep for a year then come to MU on full scholarship the next year??
Perfectly legal. Not shady at all. I'd say it's smart, VERY smart. too bad Bo never thought of it.
Quote from: The Golden Avalanche on May 06, 2010, 07:56:40 AM
Let's just say Newbill is the one who is gone. How is it being forthright with a prospect by taking a verbal commitment from him in January; taking a signed LOI from him in April; and then releasing him from the program in May?
That's an awful tough turnaround in five months for a teenager. Especially one who reportedly came in with good standing on the court and in the classroom.
If the kid knew it was a possiblity before signing the LOI.
It's not uncommon for coaches to say something to the effect of...we want you to come here, and if everything goes as planned we should have a scholarship available. But if it doesn't, then we'd like you to go to prep school for a year and we'll have a scholarship for you the next year.
Florida is trying to do that sort of thing with Kevin Noreen. They are out of scholarships, but really want him. So they are trying to get a kid with a 4.0GPA and 36 on his ACT to commit and go to Prep School for a year and come as part of their 2011 class.
Quote from: The Golden Avalanche on May 06, 2010, 07:56:40 AM
Let's just say Newbill is the one who is gone. How is it being forthright with a prospect by taking a verbal commitment from him in January; taking a signed LOI from him in April; and then releasing him from the program in May?
That's an awful tough turnaround in five months for a teenager. Especially one who reportedly came in with good standing on the court and in the classroom.
How do you know the kid and his parents didn't agree to this option ahead of time?? Would that be being forthright??
Quote from: muguru on May 06, 2010, 08:09:28 AM
How do you know the kid and his parents didn't agree to this option ahead of time?? Would that be being forthright??
Unfortunately, we probably won't find out until this time next year if/when a new LOI is signed.
I really liked all of our recruits even before the Gardner signing; things seemingly are in a fluid state of flux.
Quote from: butchbadger on May 05, 2010, 10:13:36 PM
You can all pretend to be outraged by me pointing this out. The fact remains that it is likely that in consecutive offseasons a signed recruit will not see the 1st day of class. That doesn't happen at a lot of programs in all honesty.
Keep looking for patterns, even though there are none to find. I know you're referring to the Roseboro situation.
If your theory is correct that Buzz is "running off" players, then what would Buzz have to gain by Roseboro leaving at a point when it left the team another man short and he couldn't get another scholarship player for 09-10?
Quote from: butchbadger on May 05, 2010, 10:13:36 PM
I'll ask again,
If one or more of these recruits that are signed are in good academic standing then if not reneged, what happened to the agreement? Is there another word I should have used?
Clearly this would not be the players choice to play at a prep school rather than a very high major.
For the record, I do not hate MU. My parents are alums and I was big fan until I met and got to know Tom Crean.
My father went to MUHS, MU and Law School. Rarely misses a game or a chance to donate. He is not a fan of what is happening now. He is not alone. But as I stated most of the rest of my MU friends just want to be entertained and to see a winning team.
You can all pretend to be outraged by me pointing this out. The fact remains that it is likely that in consecutive offseasons a signed recruit will not see the 1st day of class. That doesn't happen at a lot of programs in all honesty.
Guess you don't like Tom Crean, so what? A lot of folks don't cotton to Bo Ryan or Roy Williams or John Calipari or Rick Pitino. Most coaches have pretty big egos and are demanding. Sounds like CEO's of corporations. As far as sources go, who are they? Kropotkin or BBFran or Abe Froman or Big Eddy Springs...? As far as saying it is Newbill, well that sounds like a rational guess that anyopne could make. As far as that goes, sometimes NLI's are signed to cement a relationship with guys who do end up in prep school. If mutually agreed to, whats wrong with that. My "sources" say that Markolf was more than gently nudged out of the UW program.
Quote from: babytownfrolics on May 06, 2010, 08:59:10 AM
Keep looking for patterns, even though there are none to find. I know you're referring to the Roseboro situation.
If your theory is correct that Buzz is "running off" players, then what would Buzz have to gain by Roseboro leaving at a point when it left the team another man short and he couldn't get another scholarship player for 09-10?
All the Roseboro situation is a player that deceided to cut and run instead of working harder. If you listen to Buzz's recent interview he told Matthews he might want to look for a different school, because Buzz was going to work him harder than he has ever worked before. Buzz said he took it as a challenge and stepped up. Pitino told his point guard he should transfer to another school where he did not have to play defense. The result the point guard starting playing defense. Coaches challenge players all of the time. Some step up as the coach hopes the player will and others do not and they leave. There is nothing wrong with that. if you go back to the Roseboro video when he signed, he talked about how hard he was going to work. The trouble was he found out he was not willing to work as hard as Buzz expected. It was good for both sides that he left. Gardner is an over weight player. I gurantee you he will either be 20 lbs lighter by the start of season or he will be gone. It all depends on how hard he wants to work. It is easy to say you are going to work hard.
Words do always turn into action.
How do you know the kid and his parents didn't agree to this option ahead of time?? Would that be being forthright?? You bet
Butch...why do you care so much? Pretty sad if you ask me.
I don't. Sorry to offend. I should keep these arguments to my neighbors and the guy in the office next to me. my bad. Sean O'Soprano paid a friendly little visit and you won't get no trouble from me anymore. ;D
Quote from: butchbadger on May 06, 2010, 10:21:39 AM
How do you know the kid and his parents didn't agree to this option ahead of time?? Would that be being forthright?? You bet
Having conceded this non-nefarious possibility, and also the fact that you of course are not privy to what Buzz ACTUALLY COMMUNICATES to his own players, recruits and their families, how can you persist in your assumption that Buzz is "running players off?"
He sees UW players getting BOned and assumes that is how it works everywhere, is my guess.
Quote from: GOMU1104 on May 06, 2010, 10:29:54 AM
Butch...why do you care so much? Pretty sad if you ask me.
Actually, I'm quite flattered that Badger fans are so concerned with our recruiting class/efforts. Personally, I couldn't name or identify any of their incoming recruits, even if they had a giant red 'W' on their forehead. (Quite honestly I could care less about any of the activity that goes on with their program...unless it relates to a recruit de-committing and then committing to MU ;) )
Quote from: bma725 on May 06, 2010, 08:02:10 AM
If the kid knew it was a possiblity before signing the LOI.
It's not uncommon for coaches to say something to the effect of...we want you to come here, and if everything goes as planned we should have a scholarship available. But if it doesn't, then we'd like you to go to prep school for a year and we'll have a scholarship for you the next year.
But if this is the case why is it hush-hush? Getting a verbal in January is a strange occurrence so it wouldn't be any stranger to be upfront about the possibility of a prep school. You don't say "they may want me to go prep" but why not "hopefully all my affairs are in order but if not I may go prep and then entertain MU after that year".
I get that it happens but it's a little shitty if Buzz keeps recruiting more kids than spots and tells the ones who aren't blue chippers that they may have to go to prep if they want in at MU. Especially if the prospect doesn't pick up nuance as a 17 year-old.
Quote from: The Golden Avalanche on May 06, 2010, 06:58:28 PM
But if this is the case why is it hush-hush? Getting a verbal in January is a strange occurrence so it wouldn't be any stranger to be upfront about the possibility of a prep school. You don't say "they may want me to go prep" but why not "hopefully all my affairs are in order but if not I may go prep and then entertain MU after that year".
I get that it happens but it's a little crapty if Buzz keeps recruiting more kids than spots and tells the ones who aren't blue chippers that they may have to go to prep if they want in at MU. Especially if the prospect doesn't pick up nuance as a 17 year-old.
Why do you consistently come up with scenarios that put the program in the worst possible light while ignoring much more likely and innocent ones?
Quote from: The Golden Avalanche on May 06, 2010, 06:58:28 PM
But if this is the case why is it hush-hush? Getting a verbal in January is a strange occurrence so it wouldn't be any stranger to be upfront about the possibility of a prep school. You don't say "they may want me to go prep" but why not "hopefully all my affairs are in order but if not I may go prep and then entertain MU after that year".
I get that it happens but it's a little crapty if Buzz keeps recruiting more kids than spots and tells the ones who aren't blue chippers that they may have to go to prep if they want in at MU. Especially if the prospect doesn't pick up nuance as a 17 year-old.
If you don't keep it quiet, other programs will find out. It's already bad enough with coaches recruiting kids that have verballed to another school, if the coach believes or knows that there's already a chance the kid isn't coming, they'll be even more aggressive, and you risk losing the kid. That's why you keep it quiet. That's why you have a kid sign a LOI even if you know there's a greater than average chance he will go the prep route, so that no other programs can contact him and try to get him to go to their school.
This really isn't that complicated. There's absolutely no reason to announce what the plans are, and several reasons to keep things quiet.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on May 06, 2010, 07:05:49 PM
Why do you consistently come up with scenarios that put the program in the worst possible light while ignoring much more likely and innocent ones?
Really??????
Can you fill me in and list all these scenarios I've dreamed up?
While you are at it, give me the innocent scenario that involves asking one of our recruits to go to prep school, even with qualifying grades.
Quote from: bma725 on May 06, 2010, 07:19:12 PM
If you don't keep it quiet, other programs will find out. It's already bad enough with coaches recruiting kids that have verballed to another school, if the coach believes or knows that there's already a chance the kid isn't coming, they'll be even more aggressive, and you risk losing the kid. That's why you keep it quiet. That's why you have a kid sign a LOI even if you know there's a greater than average chance he will go the prep route, so that no other programs can contact him and try to get him to go to their school.
This really isn't that complicated. There's absolutely no reason to announce what the plans are, and several reasons to keep things quiet.
That makes a ton of sense, thanks bma. To follow this logic, we likely won't hear something on who the prep school candidate is until after May 19 (the last day of spring signing) or perhaps even into the summer.
Quote from: The Golden Avalanche on May 06, 2010, 07:42:42 PM
Really??????
Can you fill me in and list all these scenarios I've dreamed up?
While you are at it, give me the innocent scenario that involves asking one of our recruits to go to prep school, even with qualifying grades.
I think the "innocent scenario" has already been covered by BMA, Mark Miller and several others. The "cool guys" who you mock and for some reason resent.
Just one example of your negativity is accusing Buzz of preparing to "jettison" one or more of our players. Of the many possible interpretations of any scenario that involves a player not returning or a recruit going to prep school I can't conceive of one more negative than the head coach "jettisoning" him.
Talking about running off players, read this...
http://www.mlive.com/spartans/index.ssf/2010/05/spartans_chris_allen_to_transf.html
Quote from: Lennys Tap on May 06, 2010, 07:05:49 PM
Why do you consistently come up with scenarios that put the program in the worst possible light while ignoring much more likely and innocent ones?
+1 Lenny - You're not the only one who noticed the same thing.
Quote from: bma725 on May 06, 2010, 07:19:12 PM
If you don't keep it quiet, other programs will find out. It's already bad enough with coaches recruiting kids that have verballed to another school, if the coach believes or knows that there's already a chance the kid isn't coming, they'll be even more aggressive, and you risk losing the kid. That's why you keep it quiet. That's why you have a kid sign a LOI even if you know there's a greater than average chance he will go the prep route, so that no other programs can contact him and try to get him to go to their school.
This really isn't that complicated. There's absolutely no reason to announce what the plans are, and several reasons to keep things quiet.
I understand why it makes sense for the school, but is there an advantage to doing this for the kid? I can see it making sense if the kid REALLY wants to go to the school, wants to stop all the nonsense and distractions that go on with recruiting, wants to have the signing ceremony and solidify the bond with the school/coach. I suppose it also has them all lined up if it somehow works out that there's an open spot or they unexpectedly qualify. But are there other advantages for the kid to sign the LOI? Can they make more visits to campus, are contact limitations with the coach lifted?
Also, does anyone think any of our recruits have been getting feelers from other coaches since this info has come out to see if they're back on the market?
Quote from: The Golden Avalanche on May 06, 2010, 07:42:42 PM
While you are at it, give me the innocent scenario that involves asking one of our recruits to go to prep school, even with qualifying grades.
To me, it basically sounds like shifting around the time limitations or conditions on the various offers a school may have. Every schools routinely has way more offers out than available spots, and they're often conditional based on other situations. For example, a school might have an offer out to recruit A, but they also like recruit B, so they tell recruit B his offer is conditional on recruit A going somewhere else, so B can't accept the offer and sign the LOI until after everything is sorted out with recruit A. From my understanding, that's a pretty standard situation.
Is it really all that different to tell recruit B he doesn't have to wait and can sign the LOI, but if recruit A eventually signs also, then recruit B may have to go the prep school route if he still wants to come to the school. As long as the recruit knows what's going on up front and agrees to the conditions, there isn't much difference.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on May 06, 2010, 08:47:37 PM
I think the "innocent scenario" has already been covered by BMA, Mark Miller and several others. The "cool guys" who you mock and for some reason resent.
Just one example of your negativity is accusing Buzz of preparing to "jettison" one or more of our players. Of the many possible interpretations of any scenario that involves a player not returning or a recruit going to prep school I can't conceive of one more negative than the head coach "jettisoning" him.
Well, the cool guys deserved mocking after claiming Cothron wouldn't qualify therefore MU wouldn't take him. They also said Coleman wouldn't qualify so MU wouldn't take him (even after that "silent verbal"). They also said Kanter wouldn't qualify. All three will play college ball next year. Thus, mocking justified.
Look, the truth is this: all of the recruits have qualified grades. One of the recruits is going to prep school. I describe that as being jettisoned. You don't like the word and that's fine but when you need to lighten the load of a ship in distress you jettison some cargo. That's what is going to happen.
It seems a "last in, first out" scenario with Newbill the most likely candidate. If not him, then Smith. We will also look to sign one more prospect and when that occurs Mbao will be leaving the program. If the three prospects left on the market turn us down, then Newbill and Smith don't need to worry about their prep year.
I don't think you're upset with my thinking (because it seems mostly spot on). You're simply upset with the words I use to describe it. Perhaps if I wrote the players need to earn their spot every day, the jettison word wouldn't bother?
I think you are so far off base.
Just b/c Cothron, Coleman, etc. have signed doesn't mean they'll qualify.
Quote from: The Golden Avalanche on May 07, 2010, 08:45:09 AM
Well, the cool guys deserved mocking after claiming Cothron wouldn't qualify therefore MU wouldn't take him. They also said Coleman wouldn't qualify so MU wouldn't take him (even after that "silent verbal"). They also said Kanter wouldn't qualify. All three will play college ball next year. Thus, mocking justified.
I am not very cool, but I will address your first paragraph. Nobody in the 2010 class has qualified yet for next year, none of our guys...nobody. So, the mocking is premature.
As for Cothron, grades were only a part of the issue with this guy...and they really weren't the reason many wanted to shy away from him. He is a knucklehead, and 99.9% of the time, knuckleheads dont change and they end up causing problems. You need not look any farther than our program the last couple of years.
Coleman had his chance to come to Marquette. He was set up in a seemingly good situation, and walked away from it. I'm not sure yet if I will be suprised if he qualifies. It was ugly for awhile, then he ends up at Huntington Prep and looks like he could be in good shape. We will see.
Also, I am not sure where to post this, as it seems these threads are all becoming the same. Markus Kennedy, one of Villanova's 2010 recruits will be going to do a 2nd year at prep school and will join the team in 2011.
http://www.philly.com/dailynews/sports/colleges/20100420_Recruit_Markus_Kennedy_won_t_join_Villanova_basketball_until_2011.html
Perhaps you should actually read the thread about Cothron's grades to see what was said and who actually said it instead of what you think was said. It wasn't anyone from this board claiming his grades were the reason he wouldn't come to MU. It was Dave Telep of head of Scout.com and Jerry Meyer editor of Rivals.com claiming his grades were the reason Alabama backed off. No one that you have decided to mock actually made a comment about his grades in that thread or any other thread on this board.
In fact until AnotherMU84 said it in the thread about Cothron committing to Auburn, no one had made that sort of comment, so if you want to mock some one, you should be mocking him.
EDIT: Forget this...
Quote from: The Golden Avalanche on May 07, 2010, 08:45:09 AM
Well, the cool guys deserved mocking after claiming Cothron wouldn't qualify therefore MU wouldn't take him. They also said Coleman wouldn't qualify so MU wouldn't take him (even after that "silent verbal"). They also said Kanter wouldn't qualify. All three will play college ball next year. Thus, mocking justified.
Cothron-Auburn
Coleman-Louisville
Kanter-Kentucky
Everyone of those schools has significantly lower admission standards than Marquette. I'm not trying to pull a Madison elitist tinge, but there is a difference.
Quote from: JWags85 on May 07, 2010, 10:37:58 AM
Cothron-Auburn
Coleman-Louisville
Kanter-Kentucky
Everyone of those schools has significantly lower admission standards than Marquette. I'm not trying to pull a Madison elitist tinge, but there is a difference.
Auburn? Are you sure on that one?
Why do people believe that Roseboro was run off? Buzz thought he was a developmental guy, much like our other centers are. However, once he arrived on campus, it became very clear to him that it was going to be a long time before he was ready for game action. So, he chose to leave and go to a school where he was likely to be able to get some minutes.
Coleman and Cothron, both have attended about 4 different High schools if memory serves, and Many believe that Knator was paid to play when he was In Europe. The schools recruiting those guys know that it will be a crap shot if the NCAA approves them, and no one said we cooled on any of those guys. I don't think anybody felt Cothron would come north, I'm guessing that we would have offered Kantor if he would have shown interest, and with Coleman Buzz did offer him. If people are going to make strong statments it would be nice if they backed them up with a little research before.
Quote from: kmwtrucks on May 07, 2010, 11:11:07 AM
Coleman and Cothron, both have attended about 4 different High schools if memory serves, and Many believe that Knator was paid to play when he was In Europe. The schools recruiting those guys know that it will be a crap shot if the NCAA approves them, and no one said we cooled on any of those guys. I don't think anybody felt Cothron would come north, I'm guessing that we would have offered Kantor if he would have shown interest, and with Coleman Buzz did offer him. If people are going to make strong statments it would be nice if they backed them up with a little research before.
There were numerous previous threads regarding the academic problems of both Coleman and Cothron. Kantor was never in the MU mix.
Quote from: The Golden Avalanche on May 07, 2010, 08:45:09 AM
Well, the cool guys deserved mocking after claiming Cothron wouldn't qualify therefore MU wouldn't take him. They also said Coleman wouldn't qualify so MU wouldn't take him (even after that "silent verbal"). They also said Kanter wouldn't qualify. All three will play college ball next year. Thus, mocking justified.
Look, the truth is this: all of the recruits have qualified grades. One of the recruits is going to prep school. I describe that as being jettisoned. You don't like the word and that's fine but when you need to lighten the load of a ship in distress you jettison some cargo. That's what is going to happen.
It seems a "last in, first out" scenario with Newbill the most likely candidate. If not him, then Smith. We will also look to sign one more prospect and when that occurs Mbao will be leaving the program. If the three prospects left on the market turn us down, then Newbill and Smith don't need to worry about their prep year.
I don't think you're upset with my thinking (because it seems mostly spot on). You're simply upset with the words I use to describe it. Perhaps if I wrote the players need to earn their spot every day, the jettison word wouldn't bother?
I don't know if you are spot on regarding the facts or not - time will tell. But words mean something, and saying MU "throws people overboard" if they leave or attend a prep school is as negative a spin as one can put on this. Hence my conclusion that you might have an axe to grind with the program or those running it. If I'm wrong, my apologies.
"Most of my MU friends have no problem with this philosophy..."it is a business" they say. I thought we were trying educate kids."
nice try putz Butch - maybe look at the graduation rates before making the education comment. yeah, your football program is full of Rhodes scholars too...
yep, and a kid (Markoff) who played basketball his whole life just suddenly does not find basketball enjoyable. I guess we know how far your head is up Bo's arse...
What are the graduation rates for UW basketball versus Marquette ball players?
Did you forget it was a business before or after the Big 10 network was formed for the sole purpose of making more money?
Why is the Big 10 looking at expansion again?
So they can do a better job of "educatiing the kids"? ::)
Quote from: Lennys Tap on May 07, 2010, 11:54:43 AM
I don't know if you are spot on regarding the facts or not - time will tell. But words mean something, and saying MU "throws people overboard" if they leave or attend a prep school is as negative a spin as one can put on this. Hence my conclusion that you might have an axe to grind with the program or those running it. If I'm wrong, my apologies.
Haahahhahahahahahaaa........now we know that you take offense at my metaphor, not my content.
You've drummed up this axe of mine over the course of the last two days. I'd ask that you take the time to look back on my 350 or so messages. There are some that are critical. There are some that are constructive. There are some that put down Buzz' coaching. There are some that put up Buzz' coaching. There are some that question the recruiting. There are some that are complimentary of the recruiting. Kind of like a fan who can see both sides.
I'll fully admit I'm not a blind homer like many of the die-hards in this swimming pool. But just because I don't qualify for that boat, doesn't mean I have Paul Bunyan's axe on my right shoulder.
Quote from: MuMark on May 07, 2010, 02:08:28 PM
Did you forget it was a business before or after the Big 10 network was formed for the sole purpose of making more money?
Why is the Big 10 looking at expansion again?
So they can do a better job of "educatiing the kids"? ::)
How do I reach these keeeeds...
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Quote from: marqptm on May 07, 2010, 10:42:58 AM
Auburn? Are you sure on that one?
Auburn produced Brent Fullwood. IIRC, the Packers were frustrated with him because (among other things) his reading skills were not at a high enough level for him to read the playbook!