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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: Clam Crowder on May 03, 2010, 07:07:04 PM
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Rosiak said one is going to Prep school out of the 6 man recruiting class? Anybody have any opinions?
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It has to be one of the three fall signings, since there is no reason to sign a player in the spring that you know is going to prep school. I think the writing was on the wall when they took a commitment from Newbill (a guard, when we needed a bigman). They also made a big deal about Newbill being academically eligible at the time of his commitment. There are two reasons to go to a prep school after signing. The obvious one is grades. The other reason is that one of the recruits does not want to go to MU anymore and is willing to play another year of high school to get out of the commitment. This I see as less likely given that Buzz release Roseboro when he wanted out. I think Buzz would release anyone who did not want to be here.
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It has to be one of the three fall signings, since there is no reason to sign a player in the spring that you know is going to prep school. I think the writing was on the wall when they took a commitment from Newbill (a guard, when we needed a bigman). They also made a big deal about Newbill being academically eligible at the time of his commitment. There are two reasons to go to a prep school after signing. The obvious one is grades. The other reason is that one of the recruits does not want to go to MU anymore and is willing to play another year of high school to get out of the commitment. This I see as less likely given that Buzz release Roseboro when he wanted out. I think Buzz would release anyone who did not want to be here.
Um, wasn't DJ Newbill a spring signing?
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I'd guess Smith, if it's a Fall kid. Blue's academic improvement has been widely reported and there's been no reports of trouble for Jones. Though I'd hate to see one of two natural point guards on the roster not here come Fall.
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I think blue is as much of a "natural" PG as is Smith. Smith never played PG untill a year ago and I am not sure how much of it he played this year. he projects as a Pg obviously, but he is not a "natural". i think we will be just fine with blue filling the backup. I think much like Acker, DJ, Diener, Cordell, Hutchins, Miller and all the Pg's before that Junior is going to get 30-35 minutes a game any way.
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"A chance to play immediately also lured Gardner." This is from the most recent post about Gardner from a VA news source so it looks like it is not going to be him.
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I'd bet it all that Reggie Smith is headed to prep school...I am intrigued by his potential and hope he retains his commitment to Marquette after attending prep school. Can any clarify if a player that signed and LOI attends prep school, he must go on to play for the team he signed the original LOI? In other words, can his recruitment open back up after attending prep school? Hope not. If it's Smith by the time he got to MU for the 2011 season, Junior Cadougan would be a Junior. I'd suspect Reggie could be dynamite by his sophomore, and definitely his junior year at MU.
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Thought I heard someone mention that Reggie was the only incoming freshman who wasn't on campus this past weekend...if true, my money is on him..
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I would hate to see Reggie go, as I think he has unbelievable potential here. I'd much rather see Newbill, but as has been noted, it seems unlikely since he's a Spring signing. So long as it's not Vander (I'd be shocked) or Jamail (I'd be devestated), things will work out. It's not Crowder, obviously. I don't want to see anyone leave, though.
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Thought I heard someone mention that Reggie was the only incoming freshman who wasn't on campus this past weekend...if true, my money is on him..
Jamail Jones was definitely here this weekend, Vander is constantly here. I would also have thought it was Newbill that was going the prep route
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Pretty sure Reggie was here this weekend, I thought Crowder was the only one that wasn't. Could it be possible that Buzz talked to the player this weekend and they decided prep school was the best option and gave Gardner the okay to commit? Although with the amount of big men visiting I'm sure it was known before someone was heading to prep school.
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I think Smith going to prep school is probably the best situation. It gives him a bigger gap between him and Junior Cadougan. I feel as if we don't necessarily need another pg right now, especially if smith is still developing as a pg. Him going to prep school will result in him getting more playing time when he gets to Marquette. Hopefully he sticks with us. What do you guys think?
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I don't mind either him or Newbill going to Prep school because we are loaded at guard, plain and simple. That being said I agree with you that a longer time with a more improved Reggie would be great!
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I don't mind either him or Newbill going to Prep school because we are loaded at guard, plain and simple. That being said I agree with you that a longer time with a more improved Reggie would be great!
yeah i hear you. in my opinion i kind of like the fact that newbill is coming in the same year as blue. i think these two can really push each other. obviously blue is the more highly touted recruit but i feel like newbill can be a sleeping giant with his size and shooting. those two together should be exciting if blue ends up staying for a while.
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Pretty sure Reggie was here this weekend, I thought Crowder was the only one that wasn't. Could it be possible that Buzz talked to the player this weekend and they decided prep school was the best option and gave Gardner the okay to commit? Although with the amount of big men visiting I'm sure it was known before someone was heading to prep school.
Reggie was supposed to be here, but for whatever reason wasn't. Crowder was in Vegas for an all-star game.
I don't mind either him or Newbill going to Prep school because we are loaded at guard, plain and simple. That being said I agree with you that a longer time with a more improved Reggie would be great!
As far as I know Newbill should have no trouble qualifying.
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If a player goes to prep school they are released from their LOI and have to sign a new one. This happens many times in football where the coaches have close relationships with many of the prep school coaches who then do their best to keep the players committed to the original school.
Here's hoping whoever it is doesn't blow up and have the BIG guys come calling and also that the relationship Buzz develops is strong enough to keep him/them committed.
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IMO, I think it's Smith (and that's why we signed Newbill) and Reggie will never be in a Marquette uniform. My experience is that most kids that go the prep school route rarely sign with their original school. Both parties tend to move on.
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Things change in a year. Highly unlikely that the player will return to MU IMO.
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My experience is that most kids that go the prep school route rarely sign with their original school. Both parties tend to move on.
Not really the case in most Div 1 football programs....most kids end up where they were "placed" unless they were given specific areas to work on and didn't fulfill them or had some discipline issues. Hargrave is a prime example of a prep school where many top FB recruits are "signed and placed."
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Is it safe to assume that 1) If it is Reggie, that 2) He is headed to prep school due to not qualifying? I thought Buzz was pretty high on him at the siging period, and that Reggie was really excited to be a Warrior. If a kid can't qualify to be a player in their first year, why would the player be mad and not want to come to the original school? I guess the player could feel the school should have Prop 48'd him, like we did with D-WAde - where you still give him the scholarship even though he's ineligible to play.
My guess is that Buzz told him (up front) if he didn't qualify for MU, that he would ask him to go play a year at a prep school - and probably asked Reggie if he was okay with this..up front. I don't see Buzz wanting to jack around a Mac Irvin player, as I'm sure that is a relationship he wants to continue to cultivate. And Buzz is no idiot when it comes to relationship managment.
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^ Agree completely but we really should wait to see who is prepping lest we really tick of a recruit and his family with all our "knowledge" of the situation..... ;)
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Buzz is a good guy, a very good guy. If Reggie isn't coming its qualifying issues IMO
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Is it safe to assume that 1) If it is Reggie, that 2) He is headed to prep school due to not qualifying? I thought Buzz was pretty high on him at the siging period, and that Reggie was really excited to be a Warrior. If a kid can't qualify to be a player in their first year, why would the player be mad and not want to come to the original school? I guess the player could feel the school should have Prop 48'd him, like we did with D-WAde - where you still give him the scholarship even though he's ineligible to play.
My guess is that Buzz told him (up front) if he didn't qualify for MU, that he would ask him to go play a year at a prep school - and probably asked Reggie if he was okay with this..up front. I don't see Buzz wanting to jack around a Mac Irvin player, as I'm sure that is a relationship he wants to continue to cultivate. And Buzz is no idiot when it comes to relationship managment.
Don't think the Big East allows Prop 48s.
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It's clearly Smith.
The more important question is where does the extra spot come from when we sign someone on May 16th?
Things are never quiet for our program.
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Reggie Smith isn't going to prep school. He will be at Marquette in July
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Whoever is going to prep school, their chances of eventually ending up at MU have to be much improved if they end up at the new prep program at St. John's Military In Delafield, WI.
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I don't mind either him or Newbill going to Prep school because we are loaded at guard, plain and simple.
Are we really? I know that we have been for the past 5 years or so, but today, I'm not so sure about that...
DJO: Proven commodity, no doubt, but definitely a 2.
Cadougan: Never really settled last year after the injury, I expect him to be vastly improved, but we won't really know until November-December.
Buycks: Very streaky last year, only showed flashes, needs to provide more as a senior.
Blue: Top recruit could add a lot, or could struggle to adjust as a Freshman.
Newbill: Seems to be in great shape, but unheralded recruit...great find by Buzz, or a guy who won't shine for 2-3 years?
Smith: May not be here, if this thread is accurate, but even if he is, he's still a Freshman that won't be expected to contribute much.
Frozena: Beloved by the fans, but won't be expected to provide any regular contribution outside of practice.
Can other guys drift back there? Sure. Maybe Butler and Jones can help fill gaps when we play big. But when you look at it, I'd say there are a lot more questions in the backcourt than there are in the frontcourt. At least up front, we know we have solid contributors in Fulce and Butler, a JuCo All-American in Crowder, and a reportedly much improved Otule. In the backcourt, we have one proven starter, one unproven Sophomore, one streaky Senior, and a gaggle of Freshmen. Oh, and Frozena.
I do believe that Cadougan will do well. I do expect Buycks to be more settled. I do believe that Blue will be a contributor as a Freshman. And I do think that Newbill and/or Smith can get some meaningful minutes. But those are all just one man's belief. We are nowhere near as well set in the backcourt as we were last year, when we had two senior starters and two JuCo All-Americans joining the fold.
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Last year who did we have besides Acker, Cubi, DJO, and the not too frequent Buycks? We have at least the same amount of guards as last year, and if you go with the unproven logic on Newbill even though I wasn't sold on him at first just think how little anyone knew about DJO. In Buzz I trust
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I never minded Buycks last year. He played good defense and had the ability to create his own shot. He was not a huge 3 point threat, but hopefully he works on it. He got passed because DJO emerged as a player and Cubillan and Acker passed him.
I think Buycks will be great next year, and I would not put starting at PG past him to be honest. I think he gets minutes at the two in a three guard offense. There is no way he wants to lose lots of minutes to freshman as a senior. He could be the most competitive player in practice.
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Reggie Smith isn't going to prep school. He will be at Marquette in July
Are you just speculating or do you have a reliable source and know this FOR SURE? If so, how do you know this?
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Last year who did we have besides Acker, Cubi, DJO, and the not too frequent Buycks?
We had two seniors who we knew could both handle the ball well. Acker and Cubillan both exceeded expectations, but we knew going in that we would be relying heavily on them. And DJO and Buycks came in as JuCo All-Americans, which meant that while we wouldn't necessarily expect them to be stars, we would expect them to be solid contributors.
This year, DJO is a proven contributor. Buycks probably carries the same expectation that Acker and Cubillan would have brought in last year. And other than that, we pretty much have a group of freshmen and one soph that got limited time. And despite Blue's high profile, I still don't expect more out of him and Newbill than I would a pair of JuCos like DJO and Buycks that had proven they could succeed at a higher level than high school.
As I said, I think we'll be fine, but to say decisively that we are loaded at guard is not even remotely a proven statement. Loaded at guard was when we had the big three and both Acker and Cubillan coming off the bench (and look at how that broke down when James got injured). I trust Buzz. I think we will again surprise people, and that we can challenge for the Big East title. But I also realize that there are a lot of unknowns, especially in the backcourt.
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I never minded Buycks last year. He played good defense and had the ability to create his own shot. He was not a huge 3 point threat, but hopefully he works on it. He got passed because DJO emerged as a player and Cubillan and Acker passed him.
I think Buycks will be great next year, and I would not put starting at PG past him to be honest. I think he gets minutes at the two in a three guard offense. There is no way he wants to lose lots of minutes to freshman as a senior. He could be the most competitive player in practice.
buycks was ok. i was always so tense when he had to ball because i felt like he turned it over so frequently. i felt like when he had the ball he was good for a deep 2-pointer, an and-1 style lay-up, or a turnover. i'm nervous if he's an option for pg to be honest with you.
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Are you just speculating or do you have a reliable source and know this FOR SURE? If so, how do you know this?
It's the same poster who claimed he talked with Mbao (but he spelled it wrong) and said that he wasn't coming back. Don't hold your breath with this one.
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Is it safe to assume that 1) If it is Reggie, that 2) He is headed to prep school due to not qualifying? I thought Buzz was pretty high on him at the siging period, and that Reggie was really excited to be a Warrior. If a kid can't qualify to be a player in their first year, why would the player be mad and not want to come to the original school? I guess the player could feel the school should have Prop 48'd him, like we did with D-WAde - where you still give him the scholarship even though he's ineligible to play.
My guess is that Buzz told him (up front) if he didn't qualify for MU, that he would ask him to go play a year at a prep school - and probably asked Reggie if he was okay with this..up front. I don't see Buzz wanting to jack around a Mac Irvin player, as I'm sure that is a relationship he wants to continue to cultivate. And Buzz is no idiot when it comes to relationship managment.
The BE doesn't allow Prop 48s.
If he is going to prep school, it's because of qualification issues. The only other choice is to spend two years at a junior college.
Why are people thinking that this is some pre-arranged deal, and that if he goes to pre school that both parties would still be interested next year? My guess is that it would be very unlikley that Smith ever gets here if he isn't here in July.
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The BE doesn't allow Prop 48s.
If he is going to prep school, it's because of qualification issues. The only other choice is to spend two years at a junior college.
Why are people thinking that this is some pre-arranged deal, and that if he goes to pre school that both parties would still be interested next year? My guess is that it would be very unlikley that Smith ever gets here if he isn't here in July.
My guess, fond memories of the McGuire years, in the days before Junior College coaches moved up to Division I assistant jobs and brought their best player with them.
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The BE doesn't allow Prop 48s.
If he is going to prep school, it's because of qualification issues. The only other choice is to spend two years at a junior college.
Why are people thinking that this is some pre-arranged deal, and that if he goes to pre school that both parties would still be interested next year? My guess is that it would be very unlikley that Smith ever gets here if he isn't here in July.
Based on your answer above, I don't see any reason why both parties wouldn't still be interested next year? Again assuming it is Smith, and he didn't qualify, and the Big East doesn't allow Prop 48's - what other option did MU or Smith have? None, right? It isn't Buzz's or MU's fault if a player doesn't qualify, nor is it either party's fault the Big East doesn't allow Prop 48s. I don't see why the player would be bitter toward the coach or school, or why Buzz would be bitter toward the player? Plus, throw in the Mac Irvin connection, and that certainly wouldn't be a relationship Buzz would want to tarnish, by "wronging" one of Mac Irvin's players. I just don't see why it couldn't work 1-year down the road - nor do I think it is unlikely (if MU is offering a borderline qualifier), that they have an up-front contract (verbal agreement) that states - Hey, if for some reason you dont' qualify, are you okay with going to a prep school for 1-year? We still like you as a player, want you - but are you willing to go that route if necessary - since we can't Prop 48 you as the Big East doesn't allow it?
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I know that it is not usual for a prep school player to come back to the original LOI school, but we do not have a usual coach. How many players (see Fulce) followed Buzz through three schools? Buzz seems like a relationship guy. He seems to have the best interests of the players in mind. I would not be surprised if our prep schooler remains our Warrior. I for one am really excited about all of the new class, so I am hopeful all of the men become Warriors.
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No one has speculated that one of the other incoming freshmen might be going the prep school route.
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Many students go to a post grad prep program like Hargrave or Lawrenceville for reasons other than academics. Some, who are graduating from HS at 17 go for the extra year of growth and maturity and in some cases to improves their chances for a scholarship at a bigger time program. If they go this route they can enter college with 4 years of eligibility and are not considered prop 48 if they were prepping for non-academic issues.
JUCO and the loss of a year of eligibility for whomever is the person under consideration for this is not the only possibility here. It's called a sign and place and happens every day in major college athletic programs, especially football.
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Prop 48 hasnt existed for something like 10 years.
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Just throwin this out there, but a recruit could potentially commit and then subsequently go to prep school. The reason being that this way he wouldn't have to deal with other schools and recruiters constantly calling him and what not. Then once he starts at the prep at the end of summer/early fall he only has to deal with that for a month or two before he re-signs a NLI to again play for the same school, since the old one would be voided.
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No one has speculated that one of the other incoming freshmen might be going the prep school route.
That's because Jones is by all accounts an excellent student, and he already went the Montverde route for his senior year so it wouldn't make much sense for him to go prep. I would be absolutely floored if Blue went prep, considering how involved he is already (seemingly on campus constantly) and the sentiment from Rosiak's recent wrap-up. Crowder will be on campus no question. The only one that would make even an ounce of sense is Vander since he's still young, but you don't send someone that talented to prep school if he's qualified just because he's a bit young for his grade. That leaves the two relative unknowns in Newbill and Smith for people to speculate on. Who knows, it might even be Gardner, but then the LOI was completely unnecessary to sign at this juncture, same with Newbill. Smith seems to be the most logical candidate taking all of that into account.
Regardless of who it is that goes prep, I just hope it's at one of Buzz' Texas specials with a couple 2011 studs he can buddy up with and bring along to MU.
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I know that it is not usual for a prep school player to come back to the original LOI school, but we do not have a usual coach. How many players (see Fulce) followed Buzz through three schools? Buzz seems like a relationship guy. He seems to have the best interests of the players in mind. I would not be surprised if our prep schooler remains our Warrior. I for one am really excited about all of the new class, so I am hopeful all of the men become Warriors.
Is it too soon for a player to sign a 2011 LOI? Because if that's the case, maybe our prep bound recruit enrolls at a prep school and inks his 2011 LOI to Marquette?
Is that even a possibility?
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Is it too soon for a player to sign a 2011 LOI? Because if that's the case, maybe our prep bound recruit enrolls at a prep school and inks his 2011 LOI to Marquette?
Is that even a possibility?
Not until the early signing period in November. A lot can happen between now and then, so this won't be a failsafe route for us to take.
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Based on your answer above, I don't see any reason why both parties wouldn't still be interested next year? Again assuming it is Smith, and he didn't qualify, and the Big East doesn't allow Prop 48's - what other option did MU or Smith have? None, right? It isn't Buzz's or MU's fault if a player doesn't qualify, nor is it either party's fault the Big East doesn't allow Prop 48s. I don't see why the player would be bitter toward the coach or school, or why Buzz would be bitter toward the player? Plus, throw in the Mac Irvin connection, and that certainly wouldn't be a relationship Buzz would want to tarnish, by "wronging" one of Mac Irvin's players. I just don't see why it couldn't work 1-year down the road - nor do I think it is unlikely (if MU is offering a borderline qualifier), that they have an up-front contract (verbal agreement) that states - Hey, if for some reason you dont' qualify, are you okay with going to a prep school for 1-year? We still like you as a player, want you - but are you willing to go that route if necessary - since we can't Prop 48 you as the Big East doesn't allow it?
I don't know who Mac Irvin is and I don't really care.
But if Smith falls off the map, why would we want him? Similarly, if he explodes, he might want to go elsewhere.
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Irvin is Smith's AAU coach who reguarly has the top talent in Chicago and is reportedly very influential down there.
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Irvin is Smith's AAU coach who reguarly has the top talent in Chicago and is reportedly very influential down there.
Exactly...Mac Irvin 17U roster...according to ESPN: http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/recruiting/basketball/mens/news/story?id=5066721 (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/recruiting/basketball/mens/news/story?id=5066721)
Players that MU is/was involved with:
Blackshear
Shaw
Sam Thompson
Dre Henley
Mychal Henry
That is a crap load of talent on one team.
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I don't know who Mac Irvin is and I don't really care.
But if Smith falls off the map, why would we want him? Similarly, if he explodes, he might want to go elsewhere.
Believe me, in the Chicago prep basketball scene, you definitely want to try and get in tight with the Irvin family...especially in light of their vocal disappointment with DePaul's recent hiring of Oliver Purnell...they control some of the top talent Chicago has to offer...
As for Smith, he hasn't fallen off one bit. During the State Tournament there was an article in the Chicago Sun Times that basically heralded Reggie Smith as being one of the best all-around players in the city of Chicago...
It'd be a real shame to miss out on his talent and the Mac Irvin pipeline...
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So, if what Rosiak is saying is correct, and I have no reason to doubt him, then we basically have a verbal from someone heading to prep school (even if they already signed an LOI), with the requirement to sign a new LOI (or resign or honor the old signing or whatever you call it) during the Fall signing period. Am I interpreting this correctly?
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pretty sure that is not the case.
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pretty sure that is not the case.
Hards_alumni, could you elaborate? Is the old LOI still good or what part is off the mark?
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Isn't the date a player can sign an LOI tied to his HS class, as opposed to the year he will enroll in college? Because as this case would seem to indicate the two do not necessarily need to be the same. One of those players who signed an LOI is currently in his Senior year of HS, that doesn't necessarily mean he will be enrolled in college next year. I'm not sure what the rule is, but it it certain that the signed LOI would become invalid because of a year of prep school?
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Isn't the date a player can sign an LOI tied to his HS class, as opposed to the year he will enroll in college? Because as this case would seem to indicate the two do not necessarily need to be the same. One of those players who signed an LOI is currently in his Senior year of HS, that doesn't necessarily mean he will be enrolled in college next year. I'm not sure what the rule is, but it it certain that the signed LOI would become invalid because of a year of prep school?
That would explain it.
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Believe me, in the Chicago prep basketball scene, you definitely want to try and get in tight with the Irvin family...especially in light of their vocal disappointment with DePaul's recent hiring of Oliver Purnell...they control some of the top talent Chicago has to offer...
As for Smith, he hasn't fallen off one bit. During the State Tournament there was an article in the Chicago Sun Times that basically heralded Reggie Smith as being one of the best all-around players in the city of Chicago...
It'd be a real shame to miss out on his talent and the Mac Irvin pipeline...
No, I meant if he falls off while in prep school. I know he had a very good year this year.
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His AAU season / AAU coach would be the key influence on swaying him if he explodes or if he falls off enough to not believe he could get playing time here (unlikely). If he still comes here he will sign in the early signing period, with none or very little of the prep season underway to have an effect. If for some reason he would wait until the spring signing period next year we would have all but lost out.
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No, I meant if he falls off while in prep school. I know he had a very good year this year.
Yeah, I definitely misread that...my bad...
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That would explain it.
Except that's not the case. If one of our currently committed/signed recruits goes to prep school his currently signed NLI is voided.
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Link to this rosiak report? ?
If this is true its gonna be sweet to go to Madness and see 3 huge guys (Otule, Mbao, Gardner) in Marquette Unies
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Link to this rosiak report? ?
http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/92722969.html
It was just further down in the topic list.
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Maybe someone could take some time off and get a job at a local scrap yard like Stanley Robinson.
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Maybe someone could take some time off and get a job at a local scrap yard like Stanley Robinson.
;D
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Except that's not the case. If one of our currently committed/signed recruits goes to prep school his currently signed NLI is voided.
So it is basically a verbal until a new LOI?
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It's not even that. Don't count on the player ever wearing a Warrior uni.
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It's not even that. Don't count on the player ever wearing a Warrior uni.
Agreed. If I were recruited by MU...selected MU...signed by MU...and then it was suggested that I go to prep school instead, MU would not be high up on my list after that year of prep school.
Now, if I went to prep school for academic reasons instead? Maybe...
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Agreed. If I were recruited by MU...selected MU...signed by MU...and then it was suggested that I go to prep school instead, MU would not be high up on my list after that year of prep school.
Now, if I went to prep school for academic reasons instead? Maybe...
I guess I am too trusting. I assumed academics but I can appreciate what you indicate if it is suggested.
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So it is basically a verbal until a new LOI?
I guess you could say that, but it comes along with the fact that no other coaches can contact him or recruit him directly until the existing NLI is voided.
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;D
Where else are you going to learn to scream after every dunk or layup?
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I don't know who Mac Irvin is and I don't really care.
But if Smith falls off the map, why would we want him? Similarly, if he explodes, he might want to go elsewhere.
Sultan - I think others have pretty much told you who Mac Irvin is, and it should be clear to you now why you should care who he is. It would be idiotic for Buzz to screw over the first Mac Irvin player he signs, and Buzz is no idiot. Bottom line is that if it is Smith who is going to prep school, it is not because Buzz is suggesting he go to work on his game for 1 year - It will only be because Smith didn't qualify academically. I would bet just about everything I had, that if it is Smith going to prep school - it will only be because he didn't qualify academically.
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Sultan - I think others have pretty much told you who Mac Irvin is, and it should be clear to you now why you should care who he is. It would be idiotic for Buzz to screw over the first Mac Irvin player he signs, and Buzz is no idiot. Bottom line is that if it is Smith who is going to prep school, it is not because Buzz is suggesting he go to work on his game for 1 year - It will only be because Smith didn't qualify academically. I would bet just about everything I had, that if it is Smith going to prep school - it will only be because he didn't qualify academically.
I would second that bet, Ners.
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Sultan - I think others have pretty much told you who Mac Irvin is, and it should be clear to you now why you should care who he is. It would be idiotic for Buzz to screw over the first Mac Irvin player he signs, and Buzz is no idiot. Bottom line is that if it is Smith who is going to prep school, it is not because Buzz is suggesting he go to work on his game for 1 year - It will only be because Smith didn't qualify academically. I would bet just about everything I had, that if it is Smith going to prep school - it will only be because he didn't qualify academically.
I agree with you. I just don't think MU should be beholden to re-offer if he goes prep.
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I don't believe they are beholden to reoffer.
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I don't believe they are beholden to reoffer.
I know they aren't legally beholden. I mean even ethically beholden. Or even beholden because of the Mac Irvin connection.
I am very confident that if Reggie goes prep, he will never play for MU.
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I guess you could say that, but it comes along with the fact that no other coaches can contact him or recruit him directly until the existing NLI is voided.
Perhaps. It depends on the reason for going to prep school.
If the player is denied admission by MU, or he doesn't meet NCAA requirements, the NLI is void at that point--not a year later.
Check out the NLI reference guide (2nd link at this site:)
http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect/nli/nli/document+library
If MU denies admission or the player doesn't qualify under NCAA rules, it means its open season for other coaches until the fall signing period.
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A kid can take summer school classes all the way through summer before being denied by the NCAA or MU.
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Agreed. If I were recruited by MU...selected MU...signed by MU...and then it was suggested that I go to prep school instead, MU would not be high up on my list after that year of prep school.
Now, if I went to prep school for academic reasons instead? Maybe...
I read Rosiak's article a couple nights ago, but I don't recall anything that indicated or implied that someone was being told to go to prep school. In fact, the way it was presented led me to believe that someone wasn't qualifying and that the prep school route would be "Plan B" for the recruit, not for MU.
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I know they aren't legally beholden. I mean even ethically beholden. Or even beholden because of the Mac Irvin connection.
I am very confident that if Reggie goes prep, he will never play for MU.
If RS goes prep just to improve his grades, then don't you think he's likely to sign with MU in the early signing period in November? Sounds to me like Buzz would still be extending the offer at that point if those were the circumstances.
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If RS goes prep just to improve his grades, then don't you think he's likely to sign with MU in the early signing period in November? Sounds to me like Buzz would still be extending the offer at that point if those were the circumstances.
Why do you assume that? Would Reggie still want to come here? Would we still want him?
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If RS goes prep just to improve his grades, then don't you think he's likely to sign with MU in the early signing period in November? Sounds to me like Buzz would still be extending the offer at that point if those were the circumstances.
No, cats change there minds. Were you ever 18 years old? Oh, and coaches change their minds too.
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I think whoever goes to prep school will not be coming back. I also think even Buzz does not know who that is at this point. I think Buzz is oversigned, because in his first two years he had a player quit the team prior to the start of school year and he expects it to happen again. It is not unreasonable to assume that one of the seven new comers will decide that they do not want to work as hard as Buzz is going to push them. Sending one to prep school only happens, if no one decides to quit. That player will not be happy and will not come back to MU.
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I think whoever goes to prep school will not be coming back. I also think even Buzz does not know who that is at this point. I think Buzz is oversigned, because in his first two years he had a player quit the team prior to the start of school year and he expects it to happen again. It is not unreasonable to assume that one of the seven new comers will decide that they do not want to work as hard as Buzz is going to push them. Sending one to prep school only happens, if no one decides to quit. That player will not be happy and will not come back to MU.
You are off base here. The player going to prep school knows he's going to prep school and will not be here in the summer. I think the guess is Smith since he wasn't here the past weekend. It also won't be because they don't want to work hard. IMO, it will be because of grades.
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I agree. I believe that it's a grades thing with one of the Frosh. Buzz is not tossing a player. I won't speculate who the player might be because these kids read the boards and who am I to guess. I hope they are all successful.
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Sultan and 4ever I think you guys are being a little critical and cynical. 4ever you recall the days of Al stashing players in Jucos and Prep schools
What would be so sinister of the following and why would the player not still be interested in Mu or vice versa?
Say it is Smith..
1. he does not have the grades and Buzz stashes him at St. John's is able to keep him close and a part of the program . he can come to a bunch of games and have a realiatvely close relationship with the program while playing at a very high level and be ready to go for 2011.
2. he suggestes to Smith that with Blue, junior , new bill and Buycks and DJo he might position himself better by spending a year at a prep school playing against elite competition and starting and probably starring at Prep school versus being the 3rd Pg and probably the 4th or 5th 2g on the team. that with a year in Prep Buycks graduates, Djo becomes a Senior and they space out the classes at the Pg and Sg spots. Again he keeps him close by and part of the program. very similar to a redshirt yet the kid gets to play the whole year and not use a year of eleigibilty.
Either situation are great if both the player and Buzz are fully committed to each other and the player wants to play at Mu and Mu fully wants the playr. I think each scenario is potentially great for the player and Mu and i would have no problem with either scenario
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Dimes, that is exactly the scenario that I am envisioning.
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Dimes, that is exactly the scenario that I am envisioning.
Agree with both you and Dimes. As I'd posted earlier, when Reggie signed with MU he was estatic, and talked about how much he wanted to be at MU. I get that he is 18 and things can change..but..if it is him..and it is academics..and he cannot qualify to play D-1 ball for MU (or anyone else for that matter) why would he have bitterness toward MU?? What could happen would be that he have an amazing year at prep school, and all of the "marquee" programs coming calling: UNC, Kansas, Kentucky, Duke....and then Reggie decides to change HIS mind. I don't see Buzz pulling the offer from him just because he didn't qualify this year academically.
I really hope Reggie makes it to MU either this year or next, because I think he is going to be a dynamite player.
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CD,
The best example of Al stashing a player was Jerome Whitehead out of Waukegan. Was sent to Al's friend, Bill Mulligan, who coached at Saddleback JC in California. Later Mulligan moved on to coach Cal-Irvine.
I think it's different now, however. Let's say Player A is "stashed." And suppose that player matures on the court while prepping and improves as a baller by a factor of 10. All of a sudden Roy, Mike, Cal, and Self come sniffin'. His handlers get into his ear and convinces him MU is dog meat compared to the Top 5 programs now diggin' his droppings. Bam, Player A is no longer ticketed for MU. Likewise, maybe Player A sucks sewer water and Buzz, one year later, is able to land a 5 star stud who plays the same spot as Player A. Adios, it was nice knowing you.
I think the likelihood both parties fall out of love, while Player A is in prep school, is virtually certain.
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Just remember the November signing period kicks in before the prep school player is likely to explode next season.
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CD,
The best example of Al stashing a player was Jerome Whitehead out of Waukegan. Was sent to Al's friend, Bill Mulligan, who coached at Saddleback JC in California. Later Mulligan moved on to coach Cal-Irvine.
I think it's different now, however. Let's say Player A is "stashed." And suppose that player matures on the court while prepping and improves as a baller by a factor of 10. All of a sudden Roy, Mike, Cal, and Self come sniffin'. His handlers get into his ear and convinces him MU is dog meat compared to the Top 5 programs now diggin' his droppings. Bam, Player A is no longer ticketed for MU. Likewise, maybe Player A sucks sewer water and Buzz, one year later, is able to land a 5 star stud who plays the same spot as Player A. Adios, it was nice knowing you.
I think the likelihood both parties fall out of love, while Player A is in prep school, is virtually certain.
4ever i agree with everything that you state being a possibility. However, I see the possibility of your two possiblities happening to be less likely than "certain". First of all Buzz signed him becuase he liked him. I think we have all realized at this point that unlike the 9 years before Buzz that this coach just doesnt sign anyone. Buzz has said he will only sign players that he thinks are High major players. So not sure what transpires between now and Novemeber that would change Buzzes mind... he seemed to do very well this year for Thorton and has held or increased his rankings. On the flip side he could "expode" and the likes of UNC could come calling but the label of a SG ina PG's body, etc. wont go away between now and Novemeber. Additonally, Buzz keeps him close, bing an hour away he can attend most home games, etc.
based on your thiking ...it's "certainty" how did Whitehead ever make it to MArquette?
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Perhaps I should have said "unlikely" rather than "certain." I still contend the landscape has changed and it is my opinion that whomever goes the prep school route, will never return.
J, by the way, was placed in JC 34 years ago, in a friend's program with express purpose of qualifying him for MU. He played the 5. The player we're speculating on is an under-sized 2 guard or at best, a combo guard. I'll go out on a limb and say if this scenerio plays out, Buzz recruits right over him, Mac Irvin or not.