http://texasbasketballinc.blogspot.com/2010/04/texas-d-1-ambassador-david-hahn-to.html
"Institutions like Colorado, Texas & Arkansas amongst others expressed interest but it was my old friend, hard driving Buzz WIlliams who called me bright and early Monday morning at 7AM asking for the skinny on the Big Fella's character and work ethic. Once again, Marquette was quickest on the draw with contacting the NCAA and receiving Hahn's "jacket". He is now subsequently getting on a flight in Austin, TX this morning and headed to Milwaukee for the grand tour of the beautiful Big East campus."
Must have gone down as soon Buzz cooled on Dieng. Gotta give it up to Buzz. He always has a plan.
Is this guy better than Ben Mills? Seriously, the article says that he was likely headed to a Southland or Big West Conference school before a big weekend at some tournament...shades of Roseboro.
Please tell me we're not this desperate.
QuoteIs this guy better than Ben Mills?
For starters, he is 40 pounds heavier.
It does seem to smack of desperation, doesn't it?
i think it smacks of leaving no stone unturned this late in the game. At least the kid is visiting before we offer him.
But the question is why are we leaving no stone unturned? Why is Buzz so intent on getting a big in here next year? One that until recently was signed at Texas State? Remember, this type of decision ties up a scholarship for four years...supposedly.
Hey, I'm willing to admit that I am completely wrong but this kind of stuff out of leftfield makes me a little worried.
I love that the live traffic feed on that site is a long string of people linking to it from here. :D
This just further cements that Buzz is going his hardest at a recruit this spring as this prospect doesn't seem on the same level as the other names we've had the past six weeks. With all rides booked, someone will soon be jettisoned.
I'll hang up and wait as those cooler then me tell me for the 19th time that the speculation is pointless, Buzz knows whats going on, and I'm a fool for thinking the only option is someone being asked to leave.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3aqAeSImoY&feature=related
Beware the Wrath of Hahn.
Quote from: NYWarrior on April 29, 2010, 01:17:09 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3aqAeSImoY&feature=related
That didn't leave me feeling very confident in his abilities.
Quote from: NYWarrior on April 29, 2010, 01:17:09 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3aqAeSImoY&feature=related
Saw the link...the author (maybe it's his father?) has a bunch of David Hahn stuff on his page. Anyway, it's cool to see what he can do, but I'd rather see him in competition and how his footwork is at game speed.
Kind of reminds me of the videos of Yi Jianlian tearing it up against a folding chair
Quote from: MUCrew on April 29, 2010, 01:27:39 PM
Saw the link...the author (maybe it's his father?) has a bunch of David Hahn stuff on his page. Anyway, it's cool to see what he can do, but I'd rather see him in competition and how his footwork is at game speed.
Agreed. I'm hoping that video isn't indicative of his real ability. He missed a ton of layups and the intensity was definitely lacking.
I'd love to get a big with drops steps like these guys:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6sht-CIQ9Cg&feature=related
Texas State???????? That should say enough. Please no more projects at center.
PASS!!!!
Quote from: NYWarrior on April 29, 2010, 01:17:09 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3aqAeSImoY&feature=related
Oh deer god...there is a whole youtube video series that his dad uploaded for him.
Given Otule's reported progress, I don't think we need to reach for a big this spring. Wouldn't landing a decent big in '11 make more sense than picking over the leftovers for a project in spring '10?
QuoteThis just further cements that Buzz is going his hardest at a recruit this spring as this prospect doesn't seem on the same level as the other names we've had the past six weeks. With all rides booked, someone will soon be jettisoned.
I think its starting to get hard to believe that no one will leave. When we were talking highly sought after decommits, etc, it was easy to think that Buzz was just looking to upgrade the roster, etc. But with the steady stream of recruiting trips this late in the game (particularly now for guys who seem pretty raw and may not be able to contribute immediately) it certainly seems like Buzz feels he is playing with an extra scholarship rather than having to forcefully move someone off the squad to clear a spot.
Not impressed, I like his height and that's about it. His hook would get blocked too often in the Big East... he squares before the release even and intensity clearly lacking. I understand it's just "practice" videos or whatever, but still unimpressive.
I'd rather just go with an unused scholie for next year if this is any indication of the quality we are looking at right now.
You guys are unreal.....when did everyone become a scout?....if Buzz has it on good authority from his Texas connections that this kid has real potential....I mean Texas wouldn't be calling if he was a dud....then we need to let Buzz be the coach and recruiter and until he proves us wrong, stop second guessing him.....he hasn't made too many mistakes thus far has he?
Besides, the article doesn't say we have offered yet does it? Buzz wants a closer look.
Some kids are late bloomers especially when they have late growth spurts....and let's face it you're all dreaming if you think we're going to steal the "premier" bigs from the likes of UNC, Duke, UConn and others who have a real history of sending bigs to the league..... the article clearly states he is projected some degree of greatness two years from now....I sure would have taken the kid from Baylor this year wouldn't you have?
We have to start somewhere to get a serious look from the top guys in the future.
forget this kid but i would take his grandpa in a heartbeat to back up Junior. That guy runs the pick and roll like CP3!!!!!!!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3RoWzgrKPc&feature=related
Quote from: texaswarrior74 on April 29, 2010, 03:09:26 PM
You guys are unreal.....when did everyone become a scout?
+1
LOL that video is amazing
Opinions are like ass.holes. Everyone has one.
Take a step back guys. Lets not be judgemental. You sound like a bunch of Badger fans berating someone who isn't even on the team.
If we offer the guy, then he probably has potential.
THERE IS NO DAMAGE DONE BY DOING AN OFFICIAL VISIT.
Remember when we signed guys like DJO, and Jimmy Butler and everyone said, "Wait, WHO?"
Give Buzz, and the kid, a chance to prove himself. Says he is a hard worker. Can never have enough of those.
I looked him up on ESPN ...
Hahn gets a 77 rating
Last year ....
Roseboro = 86
Mbao = 88
Was Frozena rated higher than this guy?
Could their be an alternative motive for giving this kid a look? Is their a stud on his HS or AAU team? Maybe Buzz wants to use his trip to establish a relationship with that coach? Just a thought because signing him doesn't make any sense.
Also, looking at him makes it sound like someone is leaving (as opposed to being pushed out). So who is it?
Butrym's seat on the bench has been cold for too long!
Quote from: AnotherMU84 on April 29, 2010, 03:51:14 PM
I looked him up on ESPN ...
Hahn gets a 77 rating
Last year ....
Roseboro = 86
Mbao = 88
Was Frozena rated higher than this guy?
Could their be an alternative motive for giving this kid a look? Is their a stud on his HS or AAU team? Maybe Buzz wants to use his trip to establish a relationship with that coach? Just a thought because signing him doesn't make any sense.
Also, looking at him makes it sound like someone is leaving (as opposed to being pushed out). So who is it?
Citing someone's ESPN rating is like citing something you read on Wikipedia.
Quote from: Benny B on April 29, 2010, 04:28:13 PM
Citing someone's ESPN rating is like citing something you read on Wikipedia.
Are you suggesting he would be a good player for us to sign?
Quote from: MU_B2002 on April 29, 2010, 03:17:01 PM
+1
The whole point of boards is for us fans to act like we know what we are talking about etc. R u telling me you're impressed with those videos? C'mon now...
Quote from: AnotherMU84 on April 29, 2010, 04:36:24 PM
Are you suggesting he would be a good player for us to sign?
I said nothing of the sort. Thus far, I've not contributed to this topic nor do I intend to do so. Call it a hijack if you will.
I basically implied that relying upon an ESPN rating is tantamount to relying upon the opinion of an anonymous person with unknown credentials.
Quote from: nyg on April 29, 2010, 02:03:54 PM
Texas State???????? That should say enough. Please no more projects at center.
You bet....Texas State--home of the Fightin Armadillos, starring Scott Bacula, as the middle aged QB (Sinbad, Kathy Ireland as Kicker), in "Necessary Roughness"....best quote:
(Rob Schneider):...."I hope you stay tuned as the Texas State marching band does its salute to gun racks and open beverage containers; which is only legal in Texas."
real athletes in movie:
Dick Butkus ... Convict Football Player
Earl Campbell ... Convict Football Player
Roger Craig ... Convict Football Player
Ben Davidson ... Convict Football Player
Tony Dorsett ... Convict Football Player
Evander Holyfield ... Convict Football Player
Ed 'Too Tall' Jones ... Convict Football Player
Jim Kelly ... Prison Football Player
Jerry Rice ... Convict Football Player
Herschel Walker ... Convict Football Player
Randy White ... Convict Football Player
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on April 29, 2010, 03:43:46 PM
Opinions are like ass.holes. Everyone has one.
Take a step back guys. Lets not be judgemental. You sound like a bunch of Badger fans berating someone who isn't even on the team.
If we offer the guy, then he probably has potential.
THERE IS NO DAMAGE DONE BY DOING AN OFFICIAL VISIT.
Remember when we signed guys like DJO, and Jimmy Butler and everyone said, "Wait, WHO?"
Give Buzz, and the kid, a chance to prove himself. Says he is a hard worker. Can never have enough of those.
Why is that? Do you really believe that a simple offer of a scholarship is enough to warrant fans shutting their mouths?
We gave a scholarship to a hockey player. We gave a scholarship to a soccer player. We gave a scholarship to a kid who had one good performance in a pick-up game against our former stud recruit.
There have been scholarships given on potential (which you seem to espouse) that have blown up on us. Knowing that, I don't think any fan has to simply shut up at learning a scholarship offer has been extended simply because a few feel we shouldn't be judgmental.
When does the spring signing period end? I will be surprised if we sign anyone, but who knows.
Quote from: texaswarrior74 on April 29, 2010, 03:09:26 PM
You guys are unreal.....when did everyone become a scout?....if Buzz has it on good authority from his Texas connections that this kid has real potential....I mean Texas wouldn't be calling if he was a dud....
The purpose of a discussion board is to discuss....not cheerlead.
And we heard WVU was calling on Roseboro too. That didn't make him good.
Quote from: Canadian Dimes on April 29, 2010, 03:10:29 PM
forget this kid but i would take his grandpa in a heartbeat to back up Junior. That guy runs the pick and roll like CP3!!!!!!!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3RoWzgrKPc&feature=related
actually this video shows some potential. The big question is how he moves, rebounds and plays D. And I'm talking about the 7 footer, just to clarify.
theres also something to be said for the idea that when you post youtube videos of yourself practicing in your backyard, you are intending to foster discussion. you can't videotape yourself doing 5 ft hookshots and not expect people to want to talk about the look/value of said hookshot.
Quote from: lawwarrior12 on April 29, 2010, 05:41:06 PM
When does the spring signing period end? I will be surprised if we sign anyone, but who knows.
May 19
May 19th can't come soon enough so all this speculation ends.
Quote from: NYWarrior on April 29, 2010, 01:17:09 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3aqAeSImoY&feature=related
You gotta be f'ing kidding me. 3 minutes of this cat practicing a move where he "skyed" exactly 6" off the court. I fell asleep at the 1:30 mark. Tell me MU sent him a free frequent flyer ticket and didn't really spend the airfare.
Quote from: texaswarrior74 on April 29, 2010, 03:09:26 PM
You guys are unreal.....when did everyone become a scout?....if Buzz has it on good authority from his Texas connections that this kid has real potential....I mean Texas wouldn't be calling if he was a dud....then we need to let Buzz be the coach and recruiter and until he proves us wrong, stop second guessing him.....he hasn't made too many mistakes thus far has he?
You'd really trust the opinion of Buzz Williams on a recruiting issue over that of the posters on this board. CRAZY!
This guys isn't coming. Neither is (insert other name here), because nobody new is coming.
Quote from: lawwarrior12 on April 29, 2010, 07:04:55 PM
This guys isn't coming. Neither is (insert other name here), because nobody new is coming.
Why would MU waste the time and money to bring them here then?
Yeah, obviously really impossible for any of us to get much from watching a kid shoot on an empty court, and a 77 rating from ESPN is scary. He looked pretty comfortable with his free throws on that clip of him hitting 20 of 25 and on his 3-pointers hitting 14 of 25, though clearly he towed the drawn in line on a few at the end. There weren't any breaks in the footage, but obviously we don't know if his Dad shot a hour of video and just took good stretches or what.
I remain completely happy with next year's roster, but a big Noreen fan if he were to want to come. However, the one nagging thing I do keep remembering was that report a ways into the season that Mbao had made his first shot ever IN PRACTICE. Please correct me if that was wrong or later corrected, but as much as I love Mbao I do wonder if his offense is that much of a project that he just really will never score a basket for us and if that has Buzz looking at 7-footers who can score. Buzz has missed (Roseboro), but he sure seems to be wired throughout Big12 country, so I'm going to join in trusting his judgment and not dismiss this kid out of hand.
I'm not saying that Buzz isn't recruiting this guy or other guys. I just don't think that anyone is going to come. Just to give my reasoning:
1. No available scholarships
1a. Someone would have to leave
2. Whoever comes would have to be better than whoever leaves, or else we wouldn't bring them on.
3. Unless Mbao leaves it would be a big guy replacing a guard.
4. If Buzz has shown us anything in 2 years it's that he doesn't feel constrained by traditional lineup configuration. He won't bring in a big guy to replace a guard unless that big guy is hands down better than that guard.
5. I don't think any of these people fit that description and, unless Mbao really is irreparably hurt, that means Buzz won't replace a good guard with a mediocre big.
So, you don't see it as rather obvious that at least one scholarship is opening up?
Not until a scholarship actually opens up. Until then it's nothing more than speculation. All we have to go on is the continued recruiting efforts and a whole lot of message board hating on one of our current players. That's not sufficient evidence to assume a roster change.
Counselor,
Just answer one additional question. Are you going to apply similar logic in your law career?
Like making inferences based on poor or incomplete evidence that someone's leaving? Wasn't planning on doing that. Evidence is tricky though; sometimes you can just witch-hunt up some proof.
Quote from: Boone on April 29, 2010, 02:52:27 PM
Given Otule's reported progress, I don't think we need to reach for a big this spring. Wouldn't landing a decent big in '11 make more sense than picking over the leftovers for a project in spring '10?
Who knows, maybe Chris is not progressing enough for Buzz. gotta wonder why we are going for him if Chris and Yous were going to develop.
Quote from: lawwarrior12 on April 29, 2010, 07:33:29 PM
Like making inferences based on poor or incomplete evidence that someone's leaving? Wasn't planning on doing that. Evidence is tricky though; sometimes you can just witch-hunt up some proof.
A lawyer's golden rule:
All good lawyers argue the facts when the facts are on their side. Likewise, argue the law, when the law is on your side. When you have neither, muddy the waters.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on April 29, 2010, 07:40:57 PM
A lawyer's golden rule:
All good lawyers argue the facts when the facts are on their side. Likewise, argue the law, when the law is on your side. When you have neither, muddy the waters.
PRN's Golden Rule: There are no more inexplicably self-impressed individuals on the planet than law students and those who are within 5 years of graduating from law school.
Note to every lawyer or law student on this board....nobody is impressed with your "knowledge" of the law unless you can get us out of a speeding ticket.
Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on April 29, 2010, 08:05:05 PM
PRN's Golden Rule: There are no more inexplicably self-impressed individuals on the planet than law students and those who are within 5 years of graduating from law school.
Note to every lawyer or law student on this board....nobody is impressed with your "knowledge" of the law unless you can get us out of a speeding ticket.
Are you in Illinois PRN?
I didn't realize I was being "self-impressed." I am totally okay with people hating lawyers; we usually deserve it. I prefer to think of myself as the "blood-sucking" type.
I've got a used car salesman client. Whenever we talk, he reminds me he and I fight for who's at the bottom of the food chain....I prefer to think used car salesmen are lower than lawyers, but that's me, Mr. "impressed with my knowledge"
I do know a surefire way to avoid speeding tickets. Don't speed.
Quote from: Lighthouse 84 on April 29, 2010, 08:20:55 PM
I've got a used car salesman client. Whenever we talk, he reminds me he and I fight for who's at the bottom of the food chain....I prefer to think used car salesmen are lower than lawyers, but that's me, Mr. "impressed with my knowledge"
have no fear it's definitely Lawyers.
when is the last time anything was published regarding Reggie Smith? Just wondering last I heard he had not qualified.
Quote from: Canadian Dimes on April 29, 2010, 08:35:57 PM
when is the last time anything was published regarding Reggie Smith? Just wondering last I heard he had not qualified.
Nobody has qualified yet.
Kid does look like a Ben Mills clone. Can barely dunk off the drop step, jumper isn't all that smooth. Mbao's is probably better.
Pretty iffy on this one unless he's got serious character and drive. Need an athletic 6'8" power forward more than another 7 footer project.
Quote from: Stone Cold on April 29, 2010, 08:54:05 PM
Kid does look like a Ben Mills clone. Can barely dunk off the drop step, jumper isn't all that smooth. Mbao's is probably better.
Pretty iffy on this one unless he's got serious character and drive. Need an athletic 6'8" power forward more than another 7 footer project.
I agree, we don't need another Mbao
The million dollar question is if Buzz will offer his father an assistant coaching position to help lure him to MU.
Forget David. How tall is his father and does he have any eligibility remaining?
Quote from: lawwarrior12 on April 29, 2010, 07:33:29 PM
Like making inferences based on poor or incomplete evidence that someone's leaving?
Well, I guess to me the implication is that someone is leaving BECAUSE Buzz is still recruiting. In other words, the fact that someone is leaving (voluntarily or involuntarily) or someone might not qualify, is causing him to recruit.
I would hope that he's just not simply recruiting in hopes of simply finding someone better and no decisions about kicking someone off have been made yet.
Noreen took an unofficial visit, but Dieng, Gardner and Hahn have taken official visits. Kids don't take official visits to schools that only may have an opening. Someone's obviously leaving.
Quote from: Boone on April 29, 2010, 10:35:22 PM
Noreen took an unofficial visit, but Dieng, Gardner and Hahn have taken official visits. Kids don't take official visits to schools that only may have an opening. Someone's obviously leaving.
..., or, someone's obviously not coming.
Quote from: Canadian Dimes on April 29, 2010, 03:10:29 PM
forget this kid but i would take his grandpa in a heartbeat to back up Junior. That guy runs the pick and roll like CP3!!!!!!!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3RoWzgrKPc&feature=related
Maybe he'll sign because his dad resembles Buzz?
/sarcasm off
;)
Quote from: lawwarrior12 on April 29, 2010, 08:11:35 PM
I didn't realize I was being "self-impressed." I am totally okay with people hating lawyers; we usually deserve it. I prefer to think of myself as the "blood-sucking" type.
99% of lawyers give the rest a bad name. ;D
Quote from: The Golden Avalanche on April 29, 2010, 05:37:06 PM
Why is that? Do you really believe that a simple offer of a scholarship is enough to warrant fans shutting their mouths?
We gave a scholarship to a hockey player. We gave a scholarship to a soccer player. We gave a scholarship to a kid who had one good performance in a pick-up game against our former stud recruit.
There have been scholarships given on potential (which you seem to espouse) that have blown up on us. Knowing that, I don't think any fan has to simply shut up at learning a scholarship offer has been extended simply because a few feel we shouldn't be judgmental.
You misunderstand. People here were judging this guys entire game from a 3 minute youtube video posted by his father (i assume).
Do you think that is fair? I don't, and I seriously doubt that Buzz would bring the kid in for an official visit if this is all he saw.
I agree with you, potential ALONE sholdn't be a reason to give a kid a scholarship. But that isn't what happened here is it? It was simply an official visit. NOT A SCHOLARSHIP OFFER. NOT A SIGNING.
Quote from: lawwarrior12 on April 29, 2010, 07:33:29 PM
Like making inferences based on poor or incomplete evidence that someone's leaving? Wasn't planning on doing that. Evidence is tricky though; sometimes you can just witch-hunt up some proof.
Here are the "facts" that seem fairly clear: 1) Buzz seems to be actively recruiting for next year's class; and 2) if reports we're getting are accurate he's recruiting big men. I haven't heard a lot of people disputing these facts.
So, what inferences can we make from those facts? We can infer that Buzz is wasting his time and/or wasting these kids' time recruiting even though we won't have a scholarship open, or we can infer that Buzz believes (or knows) that there is going to be a scholarship open for next year's team. I'll grant that the evidence is incomplete, but I know which inference I think is more likely to be accurate. I'll also grant that there may be other inferences that can be made from the facts we know.
Anyone ever stop to think that MAYBE Buzz is recruiting IN CASE a scholarship opens up? MAYBE there are some things to be worked out, and one COULD open up...or one COULD NOT open up.
The time to recruit is not when you find out that you actually have an open scholarship. If you wait for that time to come, you will be too far behind and likely be out of luck.
Quote from: GOMU1104 on April 30, 2010, 08:17:48 AM
Anyone ever stop to think that MAYBE Buzz is recruiting IN CASE a scholarship opens up? MAYBE there are some things to be worked out, and one COULD open up...or one COULD NOT open up.
The time to recruit is not when you find out that you actually have an open scholarship. If you wait for that time to come, you will be too far behind and likely be out of luck.
Hallelujah... we have a winner.
Quote from: GOMU1104 on April 30, 2010, 08:17:48 AM
Anyone ever stop to think that MAYBE Buzz is recruiting IN CASE a scholarship opens up? MAYBE there are some things to be worked out, and one COULD open up...or one COULD NOT open up.
The time to recruit is not when you find out that you actually have an open scholarship. If you wait for that time to come, you will be too far behind and likely be out of luck.
+1
The youtube videos don't give me a ton of confidence. I guess I had the Newbill video kind of stuck in my head, but when you see the difference of how hard he was working and the intensity, it is tough to be impressed. Now maybe the youtube video wasn't Hahn's actual workout or something like that, it's tough to tell. It's just it seems like none of those moves have a chance of working. He takes awhile to shoot and he dribbles very high on those post moves the ball will get stolen before he ever makes a move. I guess it would be nice to see him playing a game and maybe he is more of a game player than practice player, but it's not hard to see why people aren't impressed with the video, especially after seeing the Newbill one a day or two ago.
Here's why I don't think Buzz is recruiting just IN CASE a scholarship opens up:
I don't think you go around, bringing kids in from all corners of the country on the off chance that, due to totally unforeseen circumstances, a scholarship becomes available. That doesnt seem particularly fair to the new recruits, and equally important, gives Buzz a bad name as the guy that will beat down your door only to tell you a month later when you're running out of choices, "Sorry, none of those totally unexpected things happened... as expected... so we don't have a schollie for you."
As much as recruiting in case something comes up makes him seem diligent to us, wouldn't it make him seem like kind of an @$$ to the recruiting world for all the time of these kids he's potentially wasting? I would think that would be to his detriment moving forward. That is a big reason why I have to think that even if he doesn't KNOW that a scholarship is opening up, something is going on behind the scenes that makes him think its particularly likely.
Bur, someone is moving on, bank it.
Agreed. Kids can only take so many official visits. They're not going to waste one precious visit on a school that may or may not have a scholarship available.
Quote from: GOMU1104 on April 30, 2010, 08:17:48 AM
Anyone ever stop to think that MAYBE Buzz is recruiting IN CASE a scholarship opens up? MAYBE there are some things to be worked out, and one COULD open up...or one COULD NOT open up.
The time to recruit is not when you find out that you actually have an open scholarship. If you wait for that time to come, you will be too far behind and likely be out of luck.
I do think it's possible, but I also agree with MUBurrow said in response to your post. Another interesting thing, though, is that Buzz is only recruiting a certain type of player right now. He seems to be trying to fill a specific need. If he was recruiting just in case something opened up, I would think he would be recruiting different types of players ("what if our PG transfers, I need to have a recruit in the wings"). Of course, he may have just decided that if someone decides to leave he'd like another "big" no matter what.
Honest question: do most programs continue actively recruiting (either in general or for a specific position) once all their scholarships are filled for the following year?
Quote from: MUBurrow on April 30, 2010, 09:25:56 AM
Here's why I don't think Buzz is recruiting just IN CASE a scholarship opens up:
I don't think you go around, bringing kids in from all corners of the country on the off chance that, due to totally unforeseen circumstances, a scholarship becomes available. That doesnt seem particularly fair to the new recruits, and equally important, gives Buzz a bad name as the guy that will beat down your door only to tell you a month later when you're running out of choices, "Sorry, none of those totally unexpected things happened... as expected... so we don't have a schollie for you."
As much as recruiting in case something comes up makes him seem diligent to us, wouldn't it make him seem like kind of an @$$ to the recruiting world for all the time of these kids he's potentially wasting? I would think that would be to his detriment moving forward. That is a big reason why I have to think that even if he doesn't KNOW that a scholarship is opening up, something is going on behind the scenes that makes him think its particularly likely.
You assume the kids are oblivious to the situation the school is in. You are also assuming that Buzz isnt honest with them regarding where there scholarship offer stands.
Quote from: StillAWarrior on April 30, 2010, 09:59:18 AM
Honest question: do most programs continue actively recruiting (either in general or for a specific position) once all their scholarships are filled for the following year?
Yes, coaches are constantly recruiting. Again...you dont start recruiting when something happens and all of a sudden have an opening...that will put you very far behind, should you need to find another player.
Quote from: Boone on April 30, 2010, 09:28:28 AM
Agreed. Kids can only take so many official visits. They're not going to waste one precious visit on a school that may or may not have a scholarship available.
Hypothetically, let's assume the general opinion of Hahn's potential on this thread were true... how on earth would an official visit to MU be considered a "waste"???
This might be one instance where it wouldn't be a waste for a kid. But then that begs a larger question: are we that desperate?
Your question doesn't hold water for Dieng's recruitment, though. A lot of quality schools wanted him to come for visits.
Just saw the kid touring the campus in a sleeveless cut off. True 7 footer. Decent build for a kid his height.
PS we need to up the quality of the girls working in our athletic department. The girl giving him the tour was not awe inspiring. Not saying we should be pulling Tennessee type moves, but it wouldn't hurt to have some eye candy for the recruits.
Quote from: Boone on April 30, 2010, 01:59:50 PM
This might be one instance where it wouldn't be a waste for a kid. But then that begs a larger question: are we that desperate?
Your question doesn't hold water for Dieng's recruitment, though. A lot of quality schools wanted him to come for visits.
Desperation is a matter of opinion and perspective. Don't confuse "desperation" with "having a contingency plan".
I've already said too much... I vowed not to contribute any substance to this thread (which I'm pretty sure I haven't).
You just did!
Quote from: GOMU1104 on April 30, 2010, 08:17:48 AM
Anyone ever stop to think that MAYBE Buzz is recruiting IN CASE a scholarship opens up? MAYBE there are some things to be worked out, and one COULD open up...or one COULD NOT open up.
The time to recruit is not when you find out that you actually have an open scholarship. If you wait for that time to come, you will be too far behind and likely be out of luck.
Do you really think a high profile recruit like Dieng comes down to Marquette or Louisville if MU tells him there's a "possibility" a scholarship may open up for him? According to numerous reports MU has offered Dieng, Noreen and the kid from Carbondale who announced for Vandy. I doubt Buzz would offer something he didn't have.
Here is a totally hypothetical possibility. It was said by Rosiak when Newbill and Crowder signed that Buzz was looking to add one "or possibly two" more players. What if Noreen likes MU, but wants assurance that he isn't going to be caught playing center, as in for example, after another Otule foot injury. Could Hahn be an insurance policy at center to reassure Hahn that he'll be left at power forward?
Yeah, this is far fetched, but its not, I believe, an uninteresting scenario.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on April 30, 2010, 03:55:13 PM
Do you really think a high profile recruit like Dieng comes down to Marquette or Louisville if MU tells him there's a "possibility" a scholarship may open up for him? According to numerous reports MU has offered Dieng, Noreen and the kid from Carbondale who announced for Vandy. I doubt Buzz would offer something he didn't have.
Well, it has happened before...In fact, MU signed a guy a couple of years ago with the "possibility" that a scholarship would open up. It didnt, and he ended up going to school elsewhere.
"The Kid from Carbondale who announced for Vandy" was James Siakam...He did not have an offer from MU, according to Harv and Roy (Illinois Prep Bullseye Basketball Report).
As with Dieng, I really dont think MU ever had a chance at the kid, to be honest. I am not really counting it as a "loss" as many others will.
For 7 foot the kid looks like he is an athlete. But does he have basketball skills?
Quote from: GOMU1104 on April 30, 2010, 04:14:37 PM
Well, it has happened before...In fact, MU signed a guy a couple of years ago with the "possibility" that a scholarship would open up. It didnt, and he ended up going to school elsewhere.
"The Kid from Carbondale who announced for Vandy" was James Siakam...He did not have an offer from MU, according to Harv and Roy (Illinois Prep Bullseye Basketball Report).
As with Dieng, I really dont think MU ever had a chance at the kid, to be honest. I am not really counting it as a "loss" as many others will.
I'm not sure who you are referring to (Damian Saunders, supposedly not allowed in by admissions?) but I don't ever remember MU recruiting players this late in the game without an opening for the coming year. Do you really think we would sign someone May 19th only to not accept him a couple of weeks later for summer school? I don't.
Our offense is the Kansas offense.....
Paint touches remember.....
You need a couple of "useful" bigs that can "rebound" "clog" "block" "bang" with these teams that have huge size.....
We have more "talent" that we have ever had at the 1-4 positions.....
You need 2 beasts that can beat the @#$hit out of the other teams bigs and not get physically dominated....
We are going to make some of these teams dizzy with what we can do with waves of DJ's, Athletic shooting forards, slashing Blue's....
I fully expect more Mizzou type pressure next year......Not as much.....
But enough to just exhaust and overwhelm teams with "talent".....
That is why you need two beasts......."Otule and ......"
If this kid can eat glass and draw blood......Let the "laying" of the lumber begin!
Quote from: Lennys Tap on April 30, 2010, 10:03:50 PM
I'm not sure who you are referring to (Damian Saunders, supposedly not allowed in by admissions?) but I don't ever remember MU recruiting players this late in the game without an opening for the coming year. Do you really think we would sign someone May 19th only to not accept him a couple of weeks later for summer school? I don't.
Agreed.
If I remember, Saunders committed during the actual season. And that did blow up in Crean's face as he's clearly a talented ball player.
Rarely do you recruit into May with the "possibility" of a slot opening up. By now, that slot is open or you're an pretty boy for wasting a prospect's time if they won't get a ride on your bus.
His frame looks like he could handle 270 pounds by junior year. My question: can he rebound and run the court and play D? Does he have decent hands? Can he hit a 15 foot jumper so his defender has to come out to guard him? Could he end up like the big that Northern Iowa had this year by his junior year? If so, sign him up. Worth the chance.