Weak sauce, but here is the article:
http://www.registerguard.com/csp/cms/sites/web/sports/24716655-41/gregory-coach-dayton-oregon-williams.csp
New goal: Mutual feelings | Looking for genuine interest in its job, Oregon turns its lonely eyes toward coaches at Marquette and Dayton
By Bob Clark
The Register-Guard
Appeared in print: Friday, Apr 23, 2010
Oregon's coaching search has made a significant adjustment, with an emphasis now placed on candidates who definitely are interested in the job, rather than attempting to interest coaches with high national profiles in Oregon.
Two different sources indicated Pat Kilkenny, the former UO director of athletics who is conducting the search, has grown "frustrated" with the process that has led to rejections from at least four coaches. He is known to have made formal offers to Pittsburgh's Jamie Dixon and Butler's Brad Stevens, and had serious talks with both Mark Turgeon of Texas A&M and Missouri's Mark Anderson.
Where might this lead Kilkenny? He is known to have spent time in Dallas this week and is now reportedly in Indianapolis. Neither of those sites is necessarily meaningful beyond being large enough that a prospective coach could meet Kilkenny and not be noticed by his own fans or media, or could explain his presence as being on a recruiting mission if spotted.
The search is in its sixth week since the firing of Ernie Kent was announced. Two UO players have declared their intent to transfer, saying part of their reason is concern over the length of time it has taken to find a new coach and a third Duck, Josh Crittle, confirmed Thursday that he is looking into destinations for a possible transfer, as was earlier reported.
"I received my release so I can explore all my options," Crittle said in a statement released by the UO media services department. "I wanted to be able to contact other schools. I haven't made any decisions on where I will be next year."
Earlier, fellow sophomores Drew Wiley, who has committed to Boise State, and Matt Humphrey indicated their intent to transfer.
In this adjustment of candidates, who might fit into Kilkenny's criteria of being an established coach, and willing to leave for Oregon?
There reportedly are two Midwest possibilities in Marquette's Buzz Williams and Dayton's Brian Gregory.
The 37-year-old Williams has gone 47-21 in two seasons at Marquette, finishing fifth in the Big East each time and advancing to the NCAA Tournament.
He built a reputation as one of the country's best recruiters as an assistant at several schools before being named the head coach at the University of New Orleans, where he went 14-17 in his only season. He left that job to be an assistant at Marquette, and UNO filed suit against him for breaking his contract.
Williams filed a countersuit alleging the school had failed to meet several promises to him in regard to support of the program.
It's not known if Kilkenny has spoken to Williams, but a coach with knowledge of the search said a prominent former coach has been using contacts at Nike to push for Oregon to interview Williams, who reportedly makes about $800,000 in annual salary.
Williams was of interest to DePaul, Iowa and St. John's in their searches but told one interviewer, "I'll be here as long as they'll have me."
The 43-year-old Gregory has been at Dayton for seven seasons, compiling a 150-80 record, including 25-12 this season when the Flyers defeated North Carolina for the NIT championship. Dayton also has made two NCAA appearances in Gregory's tenure.
Gregory was believed to be of primary interest to Iowa in its search but wanted any contact delayed until the end of his team's season, and Iowa officials decided not to wait that long. Gregory also turned down attempts by DePaul to interview him while Dayton's season was still under way.
What also makes Gregory an intriguing candidate for Oregon is his background as an assistant to both Jud Heathcote and Tom Izzo at Michigan State. A Dayton official said late Thursday that the school hadn't received a request from Oregon to speak with Gregory.
Gregory received a contract extension a year ago that takes him through the 2018 season, but his salary is estimated to be about $750,000 in total annual compensation, and the Dayton Daily News reported it would rise to $1 million in the final year of the deal.
Oregon paid Kent that much and would seem ready to make an offer that would double Gregory's current salary.
I wondered if/when they would get to Buzz. Buzz is making more than $800k. I doubt he goes, but if he does, good luck and thank you for your hard work at MU.
yawn... Buzz isn't going anywhere
The article seems to assume those two coaches would be interested, but has no proof of that. Really, it seems to move in the other direction when mentioning teams that were interested in Buzz, and the comment Buzz made concerning the matter.
If he goes, it's as bad as TC, no matter how he leaves. Buzz has built his reputation around being a solid individual, with high morals. If you're going to talk that talk, and not walk the walk, it's a poor situation.
MU needs to give Buzz a big raise.
I'm glad to see Buzz mentioned in these national coaching searches. It's nice to have other schools coveting what we're already blessed to have :)
Quote from: bilsu on April 23, 2010, 07:37:40 AM
MU needs to give Buzz a big raise.
Just a guess, but would the Oregon job have a starting salary of about 1.5 million for someone of Buzz's caliber? Plus the Nike bonuses, contract, etc.
Why havent they approached Randy Bennet (St. Marys) about the job? I have yet to see his name mentioned as a candidate. Doesnt make much sense if you ask me...
In the end, I bet they go with Kenny Payne. He has Nike/WWW connections and they are already paying him a boat load of money as an assistant.
Didn't we recruit Crittle?
Yes we did recruit Crittle. Looking at his page on UO's website he doesn't have a sophomore year summary. Did he play?
I believe Buzz when he says he'll stay at MU as long as they'll have him. If he were to leave I think it would be Texas or the south, not the Pacific Northwest
Is Buzz leaking his name for this job in order to get a raise?
I doubt it, but I know there are people that are going to jump to that conclusion.
Oregon is a football school first, unless more of their players get in trouble
Quote from: bilsu on April 23, 2010, 07:37:40 AM
MU needs to give Buzz a big raise.
Yeah, and that worked out real well with the other jerk.
Quote from: avid1010 on April 23, 2010, 07:35:36 AM
If he goes, it's as bad as TC, no matter how he leaves. Buzz has built his reputation around being a solid individual, with high morals. If you're going to talk that talk, and not walk the walk, it's a poor situation.
Disagree. I want Buzz to stay at MU as much as anyone, but if he's offered a job that pays more and he believes would be a better situation for him and his family, I wouldn't fault him for leaving one bit. I have twice left jobs for more money and a better opportunity. I don't think that's a knock against my moral standards. I do feel, however, that the employee who's leaving has a responsibility to notify their employer, co-workers, and direct reports (for coaches, their players) and not allow them to hear it first from any other source.
Quote from: ChuckyChip on April 23, 2010, 08:56:24 AM
Who?
Missouri was a typo. They actually interviewed Chicago Bears DE Mark Anderson.
The scary thing about Oregon is the Nike financial backing that goes with it. I can easily see Oregon doubling or even tripling Buzz's current pay.
Oregon is getting a bit desperate. Nike is getting a bit desperate. Eventually, they will realize that the only real pull they have is $$$.
What happens if they offer Buzz 2.4 million? They might be crazy, but heck, so are a lot of people/programs. Would you move for 3 times your current pay, even if it meant leaving a community/job/etc that you loved? Tough choice.
Quote from: MUCam on April 23, 2010, 09:11:32 AM
What happens if they offer Buzz 2.4 million? They might be crazy, but heck, so are a lot of people/programs. Would you move for 3 times your current pay, even if it meant leaving a community/job/etc that you loved? Tough choice.
That would be the opposite of a tough choice.
The published number might be $800,000 but he doesn't make that.
Also, it's absolutely false that St. John's had interest. I also highly doubt DePaul would even think they could steal a coach from Marquette.
As someone else wrote, it looks like the media is "assuming" Buzz and Gregory would be interested without having any actual basis to write that.
I trust Buzz a lot more than I ever did Crean, and I like the "I'll be here as long as they'll have me." quote. It was only a matter of time before someone like this came sniffing. But like 4ever said, Crean proved that giving the guy raises year after year wasn't the answer.
My honest hope is that Buzz comes out and says he's not interested, and I don't want to see him get a raise until that statement has been made. We made Crean one of the highest paid guys in college basketball, and yet he used his success here every single offseason to try to weasel his way into any job that came available.
If we do give Buzz a huge raise, I would wonder if it would be possible to put a no-compete clause in the contract unless he is fired. Make it so he can't coach at any other Division 1 school for two years, not even as an assistant. I would say the NBA would be fine, but as much as I trust Buzz and have faith in what he says, I also don't know what all was behind the New Orleans situation. It's sad to say, but in this business, it's hard to know whom to trust.
It doesn't matter what raise oregon offers, marquette will match it, trust me. When it comes to paying coaches, marquette gets the job done. Money would not be the determining factor in this move (For the record, I give this about a .01 percent chance of happening)
Quote from: brewcity77 on April 23, 2010, 09:30:46 AM
If we do give Buzz a huge raise, I would wonder if it would be possible to put a no-compete clause in the contract unless he is fired. Make it so he can't coach at any other Division 1 school for two years, not even as an assistant. I would say the NBA would be fine, but as much as I trust Buzz and have faith in what he says, I also don't know what all was behind the New Orleans situation. It's sad to say, but in this business, it's hard to know whom to trust.
That would be completely unenforceable, just like most other non-compete clauses.
"It's not known if Kilkenny has spoken to Williams, but a coach with knowledge of the search said a prominent former coach has been using contacts at Nike to push for Oregon to interview Williams, who reportedly makes about $800,000 in annual salary."
I thought this line was interesting...who might that prominent former coach be? TC?
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on April 23, 2010, 08:55:06 AM
Disagree. I want Buzz to stay at MU as much as anyone, but if he's offered a job that pays more and he believes would be a better situation for him and his family, I wouldn't fault him for leaving one bit. I have twice left jobs for more money and a better opportunity. I don't think that's a knock against my moral standards. I do feel, however, that the employee who's leaving has a responsibility to notify their employer, co-workers, and direct reports (for coaches, their players) and not allow them to hear it first from any other source.
+1. Is he going to let his players find out via ESPN? Is he going to call his recruits and tell them to come to Oregon before his players even know that their coach is gone? Is he going to make up statistics about fan attendance before his arrival? Is he going to invent anecdotes about how players couldn't find practice shoes before his arrival?
Quote from: BrewCity on April 23, 2010, 09:44:37 AM
"It's not known if Kilkenny has spoken to Williams, but a coach with knowledge of the search said a prominent former coach has been using contacts at Nike to push for Oregon to interview Williams, who reportedly makes about $800,000 in annual salary."
I thought this line was interesting...who might that prominent former coach be? TC?
I hope you were being sarcastic.
Crean is not a former coach, nor is he all that prominent. Also, why would he want Buzz to go to Oregon? Because he fears he'll have too much success at MU? Seriously, TC has moved on, can't we all do the same?
Quote from: brewcity77 on April 23, 2010, 09:30:46 AM
If we do give Buzz a huge raise, I would wonder if it would be possible to put a no-compete clause in the contract unless he is fired. Make it so he can't coach at any other Division 1 school for two years, not even as an assistant. I would say the NBA would be fine, but as much as I trust Buzz and have faith in what he says, I also don't know what all was behind the New Orleans situation. It's sad to say, but in this business, it's hard to know whom to trust.
A non-compete like that would be unenforceable.
Would be a downgrade for Buzz.
How many Pac-10 teams made the tournament oh yeah that's right, two.
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on April 23, 2010, 09:50:54 AM
I hope you were being sarcastic.
Crean is not a former coach, nor is he all that prominent. Also, why would he want Buzz to go to Oregon? Because he fears he'll have too much success at MU? Seriously, TC has moved on, can't we all do the same?
Sarcastic, yeah somewhat. But TC is pretty prominent. If not him, then who?
Quote from: MUCam on April 23, 2010, 09:11:32 AM
What happens if they offer Buzz 2.4 million? They might be crazy, but heck, so are a lot of people/programs. Would you move for 3 times your current pay, even if it meant leaving a community/job/etc that you loved? Tough choice.
Not really.
Since this is all speculation, I am going to speculate on why Buzz will stay at Marquette.
Buzz is a religious man. If you have followed any of his public discussions about Marquette, basketball, life etc. - he integrates religion and faith. If Buzz were to leave for a large government university, he may be limited in what he can say and do in regards to faith and building young men, not just ball players.
Thus, I think that Buzz wants to be at MU because it gives him this freedom. If Buzz would leave MU, I tend to think he would go to SMU or TCU or another private institution. Being that MU is one of the top religious affiliated basketball programs in the country and that the Jesuits are not going to micromanage his faith or or demand specific doctrine, MU is a pretty good fit.
I also think that this is a differentiator for Buzz when recruiting - especially with parents. When Badger fans scratch their heads and wonder why a kid would choose MU over the great socialist empire and Bo Ryan, it may just be that Mom and Dad want their son in a program that is about more than just basketball.
Isn't this why many of us chose MU?
Was Gillespie a Nike guy? I guess he would qualify as a former coach. Either way I agree with those that have said the author seems to just assume that Buzz is interested. I could see money being the issue, but from all accounts Buzz has said he is fine with his salary and doesn't even have an agent because he trusts Marquette. I'm sure you have to take that with a grain of salt and it might just be what you say to the media, but he seems very genuine. I guess I think the interest is being more fabricated than Buzz being super interested in the job. I guess I'm a tad worried, but the only way I'd really be worried is if I read somewhere that Buzz contacted them.
Quote from: BrewCity on April 23, 2010, 09:54:54 AM
Sarcastic, yeah somewhat. But TC is pretty prominent. If not him, then who?
A former coach is someone who is now out of the business. The TC link is inane.
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on April 23, 2010, 09:50:54 AM
Seriously, TC has moved on, can't we all do the same?
The hell he has. Tweets, MU big heads like Wade and Rivers in Assembly Hall, Cords and Strong behind the IU bench...sure that absolute Facecake has moved on.
Quote from: mikem91288 on April 23, 2010, 09:53:56 AM
Would be a downgrade for Buzz.
How many Pac-10 teams made the tournament oh yeah that's right, two.
Be careful. The PAC -10 is one of the conferences that is actually expanding!! ....because their model works. Who cares about one season, anyways? The PAC10 has a difinitive future, something the BE doesnt possess.
Quote from: MUCam on April 23, 2010, 09:11:32 AM
The scary thing about Oregon is the Nike financial backing that goes with it. I can easily see Oregon doubling or even tripling Buzz's current pay.
Oregon is getting a bit desperate. Nike is getting a bit desperate. Eventually, they will realize that the only real pull they have is $$$.
What happens if they offer Buzz 2.4 million? They might be crazy, but heck, so are a lot of people/programs. Would you move for 3 times your current pay, even if it meant leaving a community/job/etc that you loved? Tough choice.
Do we even really know what Marquette is paying Buzz right now? Yeah, I know the article says $800K, but who says that figure hasn't been increased?
Remember, the M.O. with Buzz at MU is to keep things close to the vest. So it's entirely possible (and likely) that Buzz has already gotten a significant raise or extention, and he/MU have chosen just to not brag about it like they'd do with TC every other year.
How many more of these stories do you think we are going to hear about?
Let's be honest, Outside of Wisconsin? UNC, Duke, MSU and a few other top BE/25 teams, how many schools would want to have Buzz coaching their program? He was/is a diamond in the rough and there has to be a level of jealousy that MU was so blessed to get an internal hire with him while so many other teams get caught with their dick in their hands when a coach leaves. Buzz leaving MU is just going to be a sports writer/College Basketball fan's pipe dream for a long time.
Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on April 23, 2010, 10:27:38 AM
The hell he has. Tweets, MU big heads like Wade and Rivers in Assembly Hall, Cords and Strong behind the IU bench...sure that absolute Facecake has moved on.
Is Tom Crean still employed by Marquette University? No, he left for Indiana. Therefore, he has moved on.
Quote from: MUCam on April 23, 2010, 09:11:32 AM
The scary thing about Oregon is the Nike financial backing that goes with it. I can easily see Oregon doubling or even tripling Buzz's current pay.
Oregon is getting a bit desperate. Nike is getting a bit desperate. Eventually, they will realize that the only real pull they have is $$$.
What happens if they offer Buzz 2.4 million? They might be crazy, but heck, so are a lot of people/programs. Would you move for 3 times your current pay, even if it meant leaving a community/job/etc that you loved? Tough choice.
I love how people cavalierly spend other people's money. If UO is willing to spend $2.4 million, they would be interviewing Self, Roy Williams and Izzo.
Do you have any idea how much money this is? DePaul was making noise that were going to spend big bucks, and they did. They spent $1.6 on Purnell. You think UO is going to give a coach with two years BE experience, never finishing above 5th, and 1 and 2 in the NCAA that kind of money? You're nuts.
Don't get me wrong. I LOVE Buzz and badly want him to stay. But another school without the emotional attachment to Buzz would be out of their mind to spend money like this on that resume.
Side thought ... It seems like one way or another Jamil Wilson and Buzz are destine to be together.
Buzz is not going to Oregon. He does not need the reputation of being a journeyman headcoach who makes 1-2 year pitstops and then moves on. Marquette fits Buzz like a glove. Great hoops tradition and it gives him the forum to express his views freely. Oregon is not necessarily a step up in recruiting. There is nothing about Oregon that makes the job appealing. If Buzz is worried about conference re-alignment, he will be fine to find a place when it happens if needed.
Buzz has said that he will be at MU for as long as MU will have him. There is nothing to suggest that Buzz BS's anyone. I know it is possible that he will leave, but I think it would have to be a dream scenario for Buzz. Oregon is not a dream scenario.
I am a little offended sometimes that people think they can poach another high major coach. In the all-time basketball rankings, I would think that Marquette is ahead of Oregon. MU has Al and D-wade.
I believe it is also worth mentioning that Buzz has no contacts out west he is a southern fella (with some midwest ties now). IMO it would be very difficult to recruit texas and florida (williams/jones) to come all the way out to Oregon...Just food for thought...I also wanted to ask when did we stop giving people the benefit of the doubt...Buzz williams has my trust and its hard to see him moving on when this program seems to be on the perfect track for the final four within the next 2-4 years.
Quote from: HoopsMalone on April 23, 2010, 10:57:24 AM
Buzz is not going to Oregon. He does not need the reputation of being a journeyman headcoach who makes 1-2 year pitstops and then moves on. Marquette fits Buzz like a glove. Great hoops tradition and it gives him the forum to express his views freely. Oregon is not necessarily a step up in recruiting. There is nothing about Oregon that makes the job appealing. If Buzz is worried about conference re-alignment, he will be fine to find a place when it happens if needed.
Nothing appealing? Really?!? Oregon has a beautiful campus, a state-of-the-art basketball arena opening this season, Nike connections, filthy rich boosters, a huge athletics budget, and three unsigned top 30 recruits who are all still considering Oregon despite the program being without a coach. I'd say that's a pretty good start.
I'm obviously not saying Buzz is going there, but to say the job has no appeal would be incorrect.
Yes the Oregon job isn't very appealing.
--a brand new arena with separate practice courts set to open next season
--excellent salary
--top of the line athletic & training facilities
--brand new study center just opened this year for athletes only
--Pac-10 conference, though down this year, is traditionally a good basketball conference
--Steve Prefontaine
--Oregon Cheerleaders...
http://cheer.uoregon.edu/multimedia/images/2006altonbaker/index.html
Quote from: tower912 on April 23, 2010, 07:29:25 AM
I wondered if/when they would get to Buzz. Buzz is making more than $800k. I doubt he goes, but if he does, good luck and thank you for your hard work at MU.
Really? Thank you for using our program as a steppingstone and moving on? Is that all you think of our program?
For those of you in the Milwaukee area, has this story/rumor made the airwaves or media? Maybe there will be a denial to go along with it.
Nah, we're still working on the rightful return of the Warriors' nickname.
Maybe I'm naive, but I am not worried one bit. Buzz isn't about glamore and money. I really believe that and I believe him when he says that he will be here. Just look at his actions and I've never been around a coach who actually takes interest in everyone including the fans. If you get a chance to meet him, you'll know what I mean. He will be loyal. I don't think he will be moving around the country for the next great job with his family. He has found a home and will be paid well, even tough he isn't about the money.
At least this will get it out there that Buzz is staying at Marquette for a long time, once he doesn't have interest in the job.
I have not heard any buzz about this in the media. Probably because Buzz isn't interested and most here don't think he is going.
Quote from: Soulcoughin on April 23, 2010, 11:33:00 AM
Yes the Oregon job isn't very appealing.
--a brand new arena with separate practice courts set to open next season
--excellent salary
--top of the line athletic & training facilities
--brand new study center just opened this year for athletes only
--Pac-10 conference, though down this year, is traditionally a good basketball conference
--Steve Prefontaine
--Oregon Cheerleaders...
http://cheer.uoregon.edu/multimedia/images/2006altonbaker/index.html
I'm not sure anyone said the UO job was unappealing but compared to Marquette Basketball....well, there is no comparison.
We have a nice practice facility ($31M) of our own that other schools come to visit....with a dedicated study center for the athletes.
MU spends more than any other Big East school on basketball...which includes coach salaries.
Perenially in the top 20 in attendance...last year #10.
MU has 28 NCAA appearances, UO has 10.
Pre....who cares? I'm thinking Dwyane Wade may be more relevant for this discussion.
Everybody's asleep by the time the Pac 10 games are played.
Everybody's asleep DURING PAC 10 games
What difference does it make whatever we think. You can spin this in any number of ways to fit an agenda. We don't know what makes Buzz tick, nor what has gone down to piss him off or make him happy. Who knows? Maybe his family has input. Are you choosing to stay put if your family doesn't dig where you work, especially if you're in demand? Maybe the sweet tea is better in Oregon? Maybe he has concerns with whomever is the next MU president? Maybe this and maybe that. Just sayin'.
And, maybe Buzz is just what he says he is and has laid out all his cards, digs MKE and will be the head coach until the Warriors nickname is returned.
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on April 23, 2010, 08:55:06 AM
Disagree. I want Buzz to stay at MU as much as anyone, but if he's offered a job that pays more and he believes would be a better situation for him and his family, I wouldn't fault him for leaving one bit. I have twice left jobs for more money and a better opportunity. I don't think that's a knock against my moral standards. I do feel, however, that the employee who's leaving has a responsibility to notify their employer, co-workers, and direct reports (for coaches, their players) and not allow them to hear it first from any other source.
I don't disagree with any of that, but I don't think you went around saying that you would be with your employer as long as they were willing to keep you, and at the same time talking about being honest at all times. Buzz talks a great deal about character, and if he wants to talk that talk, he needs to walk the walk and hold true to his statement that he'll stay with MU as long as they'll have him. I understand all the reasons Buzz needs to say what he says, but if he wants to be known as a man that holds true to his word, he needs to hold true to his word.
I'm guessing you can't beat the Oregon chearleaders :)
Where were all the Marquette fans at games when Mike Deane was coach? Those were rough years.
Oregon: 1 NCAA basketball championship
Marquette 1 NCAA basketball championship
The Big East's reputation took a big hit after the poor performances in the tournament. Even Oregon beat Washington this year.
Quote from: Soulcoughin on April 23, 2010, 12:21:49 PM
I'm guessing you can't beat the Oregon chearleaders :)
Do you honestly think that Buzz cares about the Oregon cheerleaders?
Quote from: 2002MUalum on April 23, 2010, 08:34:29 AM
Is Buzz leaking his name for this job in order to get a raise?
We need to look to what Jeff Goodman and Gary Parrish write. Those guys seem closest to Buzz of any media.
Quote from: The Lens on April 23, 2010, 12:39:20 PM
We need to look to what Jeff Goodman and Gary Parrish write. Those guys seem closest to Buzz of any media.
I asked this morning:
goodmanonfox I don't think so. RT @TJGannon5: @goodmanonfox Looks like Oregon is targeting Buzz, should MU fans be worried?
Quote from: Soulcoughin on April 23, 2010, 12:21:49 PM
I'm guessing you can't beat the Oregon chearleaders :)
Where were all the Marquette fans at games when Mike Deane was coach? Those were rough years.
Oregon: 1 NCAA basketball championship
Marquette 1 NCAA basketball championship
The Big East's reputation took a big hit after the poor performances in the tournament. Even Oregon beat Washington this year.
You also lost to them by 14 at home the second to last game of the season. Also since this was a billed as a "down year" for both MU and the big east I don't think the reputation took that big of a hit. Also the PAC 10 took a much bigger hit in terms of reputation by getting only 2 teams in the tournament and having all those players transfer out of the conference. Not to mention we still had a winning record in conference and were better than .500 overall.
Quote from: AnotherMU84 on April 23, 2010, 10:50:10 AM
I love how people cavalierly spend other people's money. If UO is willing to spend $2.4 million, they would be interviewing Self, Roy Williams and Izzo.
Do you have any idea how much money this is? DePaul was making noise that were going to spend big bucks, and they did. They spent $1.6 on Purnell. You think UO is going to give a coach with two years BE experience, never finishing above 5th, and 1 and 2 in the NCAA that kind of money? You're nuts.
Don't get me wrong. I LOVE Buzz and badly want him to stay. But another school without the emotional attachment to Buzz would be out of their mind to spend money like this on that resume.
Side thought ... It seems like one way or another Jamil Wilson and Buzz are destine to be together.
On your first point, Kentucky set that bar a little higher than $2.4 million for the HIGH caliber coaches you mention. But I agree with the rest of this post. Until the last sentence.
If Buzz is a truth-teller, he is staying. He has said his wife loves Milwaukee. He has harped over and over again about how MU's mission matches his own values. He would have to be a little less 'Christ-centric' at a state school. MU will bump up his salary to a competitive level. If a quantum leap in salary to a state school with deep pocketed boosters that is in a conference currently at a low point is what he wants, I will disagree with him like I did with TC, but like TC I will thank him for his service and wish him well.
Quote from: Soulcoughin on April 23, 2010, 12:21:49 PM
The Big East's reputation took a big hit after the poor performances in the tournament. Even Oregon beat Washington this year.
Easy there. Cheerleader and Mike Dean attendance jokes? You know a lot about Marquette for an Oregon fan. Though I think our cheerleaders are hot.
The Big East had a Final Four team this year which is more than the Pac-10, Big 12, and SEC can say. And this was a year the Big East lost tons of players to graduation.
We will probably talk about Buzz every time he is mentioned for a job because there is nothing else to talk about in the offseason. But I can't imagine that Buzz spent more than half a second thinking about this one. Great program out there in Oregon, and I am actually pretty shocked that they are still looking. But Buzz seems to objectively like where he is. He is not going to Oregon.
Quote from: Soulcoughin on April 23, 2010, 12:21:49 PM
I'm guessing you can't beat the Oregon chearleaders :)
Where were all the Marquette fans at games when Mike Deane was coach? Those were rough years.
Oregon: 1 NCAA basketball championship
Marquette 1 NCAA basketball championship
The Big East's reputation took a big hit after the poor performances in the tournament. Even Oregon beat Washington this year.
Very weak attempt. Cheerleaders are always integral in luring head coaches, good point. How about NCAA Basketball Championships post WWII?
During Deane's tenure MU was always in the top 30 in attendance (always between 11,000-12,000)...we've averaged under 10,000 once in the last 30 years...and that was 9,971. Nice try.
28-10 NCAA Appearances.
You're bringing up a prehistoric track star as a UO selling point is pretty hilarious.
Yes, UO beat Washington....the highlight of your .500 season....being swept by Oregon State and Stanford must have been a tough pill to swallow.
I forget, did the BE have a representative in the Final Four this year? Granted, the Pac 10 only had two horses in the race.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on April 23, 2010, 12:14:39 PM
What difference does it make whatever we think. You can spin this in any number of ways to fit an agenda. We don't know what makes Buzz tick, nor what has gone down to piss him off or make him happy. Who knows? Maybe his family has input. Are you choosing to stay put if your family doesn't dig where you work, especially if you're in demand? Maybe the sweet tea is better in Oregon? Maybe he has concerns with whomever is the next MU president? Maybe this and maybe that. Just sayin'.
And, maybe Buzz is just what he says he is and has laid out all his cards, digs MKE and will be the head coach until the Warriors nickname is returned.
It's a rare day when you and I agree 100%, but today is the day.
I know we all love to speculate, but anybody who really thinks they know what "drives Buzz" is lying.
We all know what Buzz SAYS, but he doesn't have a long track record we can look back on.
This is not a shot at Buzz, but rather a statement in reality. We just don't know the guy well enough to really make accurate statements about "where he will go" and "why".
Quote from: TJ on April 23, 2010, 01:10:12 PM
On your first point, Kentucky set that bar a little higher than $2.4 million for the HIGH caliber coaches you mention. But I agree with the rest of this post. Until the last sentence.
I get the feeling that many think $2.4 million/year is akin to a welfare check for college basketball coaches, let's set the record straight. Here is the list of the 20 highest paid coaches on College basketball before the latest coaching changes (so you can add Oliver Purnell at $1.6 at DePaul on to this list).
http://www.americasbestonline.net/index.php/pages/collegebasketballcoaches.html
College Basketball Coaches Salaries - Top 20
1. John Calipari, Kentucky - $4,000,000
2. Billy Donovan, Florida - $3.000,000
3. Bill Self, Kansas - $3,000,000
4. Thad Matta, Ohio State - $2.500,0005. Rick Pitino, Louisville - $2,250,000
6. Roy Williams, North Carolina - $2,000,000
7. Rick Barnes, Texas - $2,000,000
8. Sean Miller, Arizona - $2,000,00
9. Tubby Smith, Minnesota - $1.850,000
10. Anthony Grant, Alabama - $1,830,000
11. Tom Izzo, Michigan State - $1,735,000
12. Tony Bennett, Virginia - $1,700,000
13. Jim Calhoun, Connecticut $1,600,000
14. Bruce Pearl, Tennessee - $1,600,000
15. Ben Howland UCLA - $1,500,000
16. Tom Crean, Indiana - $1,480,000
17. Jamie Dixon, Pittsburg - $1,300,000
18. Jay Wright, Villanova - $1,300,000
19. Mike Krzyzewski Duke - 1,200,000
20. Jim Boeheim, Syracuse - $1,000,000
Calipari is a class to himself. Only 4 coaches make more than $2.4 million a year. That's it!
I stand corrected, it is not a raise for Self, but it is for Roy Williams and Izzo (and a nice raise for Izzo). It would be for Howland, Pearl and Wright. This is who gets an interview for a $2.4 million/year job, not a coach with consecutive 5th place BE finishes.
Quote from: AnotherMU84 on April 23, 2010, 02:17:45 PM
16. Tom Crean, Indiana - $1,480,000
17. Jamie Dixon, Pittsburg - $1,300,000
18. Jay Wright, Villanova - $1,300,000
19. Mike Krzyzewski Duke - 1,200,000
20. Jim Boeheim, Syracuse - $1,000,000
That must really burn for Indiana...
Quote from: 2002MUalum on April 23, 2010, 02:17:15 PM
It's a rare day when you and I agree 100%, but today is the day.
I know we all love to speculate, but anybody who really thinks they know what "drives Buzz" is lying.
We all know what Buzz SAYS, but he doesn't have a long track record we can look back on.
This is not a shot at Buzz, but rather a statement in reality. We just don't know the guy well enough to really make accurate statements about "where he will go" and "why".
who'd have known you'd think this?!!
no one knows anything, and to think anything or have an opinion is folly.
next time, just type that ;)
We all remember Calhoun's rant about how he "makes a lot more money on top of his salary." For the "older" coaches, my guess is that their own 'brand' is worth several MM more per year. Coack K at 1.2 MM? I bet he's closer to 5 or more. Do USA Basketball coaches get paid?
Quote from: AnotherMU84 on April 23, 2010, 02:17:45 PM
I get the feeling that many think $2.4 million/year is akin to a welfare check for college basketball coaches, let's set the record straight. Here is the list of the 20 highest paid coaches on College basketball before the latest coaching changes (so you can add Oliver Purnell at $1.6 at DePaul on to this list).
http://www.americasbestonline.net/index.php/pages/collegebasketballcoaches.html
College Basketball Coaches Salaries - Top 20
1. John Calipari, Kentucky - $4,000,000
2. Billy Donovan, Florida - $3.000,000
3. Bill Self, Kansas - $3,000,000
4. Thad Matta, Ohio State - $2.500,000
5. Rick Pitino, Louisville - $2,250,000
6. Roy Williams, North Carolina - $2,000,000
7. Rick Barnes, Texas - $2,000,000
8. Sean Miller, Arizona - $2,000,00
9. Tubby Smith, Minnesota - $1.850,000
10. Anthony Grant, Alabama - $1,830,000
11. Tom Izzo, Michigan State - $1,735,000
12. Tony Bennett, Virginia - $1,700,000
13. Jim Calhoun, Connecticut $1,600,000
14. Bruce Pearl, Tennessee - $1,600,000
15. Ben Howland UCLA - $1,500,000
16. Tom Crean, Indiana - $1,480,000
17. Jamie Dixon, Pittsburg - $1,300,000
18. Jay Wright, Villanova - $1,300,000
19. Mike Krzyzewski Duke - 1,200,000
20. Jim Boeheim, Syracuse - $1,000,000
Calipari is a class to himself. Only 4 coaches make more than $2.4 million a year. That's it!
I stand corrected, it is not a raise for Self, but it is for Roy Williams and Izzo (and a nice raise for Izzo). It would be for Howland, Pearl and Wright. This is who gets an interview for a $2.4 million/year job, not a coach with consecutive 5th place BE finishes.
I said I agreed with you in general; it's just that you mentioned the coaches at three of the top 6 or 7 basketball programs in the country. You can't expect any of the TOP guys to jump for that amount, including guys who have shown no interest in leaving their current situation like Izzo, Boeheim, and Calhoun. There are a LOT of coaches who would jump for that much money, including a good amount of guys on that top 20 list. Just not the ones you named.
And the Calipari bar just got set. No major openings have been filled since then. Watch and see the next time one does; if they try to poach a HIGH level coach the money may not catch Cal, but it certainly isn't going to be less than $2.4 million.
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on April 23, 2010, 02:25:48 PM
who'd have known you'd think this?!!
no one knows anything, and to think anything or have an opinion is folly.
next time, just type that ;)
Opinion? Sure.
Repeat some tired coach cliches as if they are the holy grail and 100% truth:
"I'll be at MU as long as the will have me..."
That's silly and we all know better.
After 10 years of Buzz saying that stuff, we can make some educated guesses. Right now, people are just throwing crap against the wall.
in a vacuum, there is an argument to be made that the Oregon job is a better job than the Marquette job. Now before everyone jumps down my throat, which is likely to happen anyway, let us all be thankful we don't live in a vacuum. MU is a religious institution that fits in line with Buzz's beliefs. MU gave Buzz his first major shot, an opportunity he isn't likely to forget. Buzz has been outspoken in his desire to stay.
But Buzz aside, there is little doubt what a quality opportunity the Oregon job really is. The program has a blank check for essentially everything. Nike, boosters, etc will always ensure that facilities and perks are the top of the line at Oregon. They will also guarantee that improvement is handsomely rewarded. Oregon is in a more stable conference situation in the Pac 10, as compared to the flux of the Big East, and it avoids the perennial peril that comes with being a basketball only school. While I love MU, many will argue that the campus and atmosphere of UO are superior to the small downtown campus at MU.
I love MU, this is by no means an anti-MU post. But in our haste to dismiss rumors that Buzz is on his way out (rumors we are right to dismiss) lets not delude ourselves into doing so on the basis that Oregon is not a great job with incredible potential.
The one big drawback that Oregon has is that it is completely isolated recruiting wise.
Quote from: Sir Lawrence on April 23, 2010, 07:17:37 AM
New goal: Mutual feelings | Looking for genuine interest in its job, Oregon turns its lonely eyes toward coaches at Marquette and Dayton
By Bob Clark
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Where might this lead Kilkenny? He is known to have spent time in Dallas this week and is now reportedly in Indianapolis.
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Surprised this hasn't been mentioned. Clearly Crean is interested in the job, and Bloomington is just a short drive. Who else is he going to find to buy him out of his hole @ IU.
As for Buzz, he's not going to Oregon.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on April 23, 2010, 02:49:06 PM
The one big drawback that Oregon has is that it is completely isolated recruiting wise.
Not when you have Kenny Payne on your staff, and have connections to Nike and WWW.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on April 23, 2010, 02:49:06 PM
The one big drawback that Oregon has is that it is completely isolated recruiting wise.
Don't know what map you're reading, but Oregon is pretty close to California, where some recruits may hang out.
If Buzz can lure kids from Texas, Georgia, North Carolina, etc. to the tundra known as Milwaukee, rest assured he could bring them to Nike infested Eugene.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on April 23, 2010, 02:49:06 PM
The one big drawback that Oregon has is that it is completely isolated recruiting wise.
Remember the Houston radio interview Buzz gave a few weeks ago (too lazy to look up the link but their is a thread on it). He talked about the time it takes to travel to see recruits. Many worried that meant Milwaukee was too out of the way and he might want position in a better geographic location (i.e., Texas).
Right now Buzz is two hours from Texas, 20 minutes from JP and an hour from Chicago. Now, go to Oregon and try and recruit the country. Might as well take a job that requires "011" to call them.
Quote from: GOMU1104 on April 23, 2010, 03:03:38 PM
Not when you have Kenny Payne on your staff, and have connections to Nike and WWW.
And how's that worked out for them? I keep hearing about the Nike and WWW connections, but I see no evidence that it has actually done anything substantive for their program. A couple decent recruiting classes...two Elite 8 appearances...but beyond that, a bunch of mediocre basketball in a conference that's been complete crap the last few years. And now they can't hire a coach despite all these connections and all this money.
Same with their football program. Belotti is a good coach, but they performed about the same as UW did under Alvarez.
I just think that Oregon athletics seems all about potential, goofy uniforms and money...but not a lot about results on the field or on the court.
Quote from: GOMU1104 on April 23, 2010, 03:03:38 PM
Not when you have Kenny Payne on your staff, and have connections to Nike and WWW.
I doubt WWW is going to be relevant in college hoops much longer, and while I'm sure most NCAA coaches would queue for days to kiss the guy's Limited Edition AI Medallion, I don't think you'll ever see Buzz in that line.
Not to mention that the recruit who is going to sign with you just for a fresh pair of kicks probably isn't a kid you want on your team. If that was such a big deal, why isn't Calipari building Mecca in Eugene?
Quote from: 2002MUalum on April 23, 2010, 02:32:04 PM
Opinion? Sure.
Repeat some tired coach cliches as if they are the holy grail and 100% truth:
"I'll be at MU as long as the will have me..."
That's silly and we all know better.
After 10 years of Buzz saying that stuff, we can make some educated guesses. Right now, people are just throwing crap against the wall.
From previous discussions we know that you think it takes 5 years to determine whether someone can coach basketball or recruit basketball players. Now you're saying it takes 10 years before one can even make a somewhat informed guess regarding another's character or integrity. The world may pass you by, but no one can ever accuse you of jumping to conclusions.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on April 23, 2010, 03:49:30 PM
From previous discussions we know that you think it takes 5 years to determine whether someone can coach basketball or recruit basketball players. Now you're saying it takes 10 years before one can even make a somewhat informed guess regarding another's character or integrity. The world may pass you by, but no one can ever accuse you of jumping to conclusions.
Well, 10 years was a bit of hyperbole.
I'm just saying that people who fall in love with coaches quickly are probably the same people who hate with a passion them for years after they leave.
Quote from: brewcity77 on April 23, 2010, 09:30:46 AM
I trust Buzz a lot more than I ever did Crean, and I like the "I'll be here as long as they'll have me." quote. It was only a matter of time before someone like this came sniffing. But like 4ever said, Crean proved that giving the guy raises year after year wasn't the answer.
My honest hope is that Buzz comes out and says he's not interested, and I don't want to see him get a raise until that statement has been made. We made Crean one of the highest paid guys in college basketball, and yet he used his success here every single offseason to try to weasel his way into any job that came available.
If we do give Buzz a huge raise, I would wonder if it would be possible to put a no-compete clause in the contract unless he is fired. Make it so he can't coach at any other Division 1 school for two years, not even as an assistant. I would say the NBA would be fine, but as much as I trust Buzz and have faith in what he says, I also don't know what all was behind the New Orleans situation. It's sad to say, but in this business, it's hard to know whom to trust.
Let me make it easy for you, trust Buzz.
There is no reason for him to go to Oregon. But if he does, it would be disasterous for MU.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on April 23, 2010, 08:49:41 AM
Yeah, and that worked out real well with the other jerk.
So, who was/is the first jerk?
I'm sure that this was just a typo, but do you realize that you're implying that Buzz is a jerk?
I just reread the article, and determined that we all can relax. As it says
"Williams was of interest to DePaul"
Hey, if he turned down 3 million from DePaul, I'm sure He'll be around for awhile.
http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketball/blog/the_dagger/post/Expect-Marquette-s-Buzz-Williams-to-be-the-next-;_ylt=AtYfVGRuUTH9x6USo2ZG0bDevbYF?urn=ncaab,236338
The Oregon scout board has in its "Buzz won't come' thread a mention, without attribution, that Buzz has told Crowder that he is staying at MU. Must be a facebook/tweet thing.
http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=128&f=2404&t=5882026
Quote from: 4everwarriors on April 23, 2010, 08:49:41 AM
Yeah, and that worked out real well with THE other jerk.
Quote from: warrior07 on April 23, 2010, 09:46:20 AM
+1. Is he going to let his players find out via ESPN? Is he going to call his recruits and tell them to come to Oregon before his players even know that their coach is gone? Is he going to make up statistics about fan attendance before his arrival? Is he going to invent anecdotes about how players couldn't find practice shoes before his arrival?
What else does he have to do sitting in a hai karate outfit in the back of his stretch limo?
Quote from: Soulcoughin on April 23, 2010, 11:33:00 AM
--Oregon Cheerleaders...
http://cheer.uoregon.edu/multimedia/images/2006altonbaker/index.html
Luscious. Luscious and delectabale.
Is there a link to the MU cheerleaders?
Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on April 23, 2010, 10:27:38 AM
The hell he has. Tweets, MU big heads like Wade and Rivers in Assembly Hall, Cords and Strong behind the IU bench...sure that absolute Facecake has moved on.
Why the f is Bill Cords sitting behind the IU bench?
Why do IU students have Dwyane Wade big heads at Assembly Hall?
This is very weird.
Quote from: DawsonCreekFillanderer on April 23, 2010, 07:29:28 PM
Why the f is Bill Cords sitting behind the IU bench?
Why do IU students have Dwyane Wade big heads at Assembly Hall?
This is very weird.
Ah, the creative rewriting of history. Unfortunately, for Tommy, he may soon discover that history is ultimately written by the winners.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on April 23, 2010, 03:07:28 PM
Don't know what map you're reading, but Oregon is pretty close to California, where some recruits may hang out.
If Buzz can lure kids from Texas, Georgia, North Carolina, etc. to the tundra known as Milwaukee, rest assured he could bring them to Nike infested Eugene.
I think Seattle has generated a lot of great talent, too over the past decade
Quote from: tower912 on April 23, 2010, 07:08:54 PM
The Oregon scout board has in its "Buzz won't come' thread a mention, without attribution, that Buzz has told Crowder that he is staying at MU. Must be a facebook/tweet thing.
http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=128&f=2404&t=5882026
I appreciate some people from Oregon's fanbase knowing Al and the history at MU.
fox reports creighton coach to agree to take oregon job---please exhale
"OREGON ON VERGE OF GETTING CREIGHTON'S ALTMAN
Saturday, April 24, 2010, 12:21 PM EST [General]
Oregon is on the verge of finally getting its guy.
According to multiple sources close to both sides, Creighton coach Dana Altman is close agreeing to a deal that will have him headed to Eugene.
Sources have told FOXSports.com that Altman has been offered the job and the deal could be officially done as early as tonight, but more likely tomorrow.
``Pat (Kilkenny) continues to speak with multiple coaches about the Oregon job," Oregon senior associate athletic director Joe Giansante told FOXSports.com on Saturday. ``But every step of the way, Dana Altman's name has come up in the coaching fraternity. He's talked to a lot of people and without question, he's considered one of the best coaches in the country."
The Ducks have struck out with big names such as Gonzaga's Mark Few, Pittsburgh's Jamie Dixon, Butler's Brad Stevens and Missouri's Mike Anderson since parting ways with Ernie Kent last month.
Discussions began with Altman and former Oregon athletic director Pat Kilkenny, who is leading the search, on Monday.
The search is now 37 days old.
Altman is considered one of the top X's and O's guys in the country and built Creighton into a mid-major power, going to seven NCAA tournaments in the span of nine years before falling off a bit over the past three seasons and failing to reach the Big Dance.
Altman is 327-176 overall in 16 seasons at Creighton and has taken the program to seven NCAA tournaments. He led the Bluejays to 11 consecutive 20-win seasons before going 18-16 this past year.
Altman, 51, also spent four seasons at Kansas State from 1990-94 in which he was 68-54. He also spent one year as the head coach at Marshall.
Altman verbally agreed to take the Arkansas job three years after, but decided to return to Creighton shortly after arriving in Fayetteville.
Altman takes over for Ernie Kent – who was 235-173 in 13 years at the helm at Oregon, but just 24-39 over the past two seasons.
The Ducks were 16-16 this past season "
He's likely to get cold feet again.
Got to hope Altman stays. They have just been so consistent for so long, and Ive got to wish the best for another Jesuit school. If Marquette has to join an all basketball conference I want Creighton to be a part of it. I'd be nice to not be the farthest west school in a conference and to strengthen ties/recruiting to the western side of the midwest more (Nebraska, Kansas, Missouri).
Not to mention that their program deserves it..... a lot more so than St. Louis and many other names people throw around for that dream basketball-only conference (not Catholic only).