Looks like this 6-10 kid, Kevin Noreen, decommitted from BC and held a workout today, according to ESPN. ESPN has MU at the top of his list. Could this be Buzz's guy?
what else do we know about him?
visiting Marquette this weekend?
Augie, they're comparing him to Coble and Shurna. I'm sold.
http://wcco.com/sports/sportsrally/kevin.noreen.mts.2.1416162.html
Avg 32 and 20, wonder who they play against?
Wants to contribute right away as a freshman... I think that could happen...
http://www.startribune.com/sports/preps/88875147.html
http://insider.espn.go.com/ncb/recruiting/tracker/espnu100?&action=login&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fncb%2frecruiting%2ftracker%2fespnu100
Kevin Noreen:
6'10-needs to add bulk but hes not terribly skinny.
I believe he is the all-time leading scorer in Minnesota, averaged 28 ppg as a sophomore, 38 ppg and almost 20 rebs as a senior. Mr Basketball and MN state title in smallest division senior year.
4.0 GPA, plus a 36 on the ACT-thats a perfect score, incredibly rare.
Was a Boston College recruit, but decommitted after the coach was fired.
Rated just outside the top 100 recruits by Scouts and ESPN. MU is his top listed school on ESPN, will visit this weekend (as will Gorgui Dieng)
I heard from a source that he might not be ready to be a huge contributor as a freshman, but should develop into a very nice player in time, and compared him to Jon Leuer.
Quote from: dw3dw3dw3 on April 22, 2010, 01:39:34 PM
http://wcco.com/sports/sportsrally/kevin.noreen.mts.2.1416162.html
Avg 32 and 20, wonder who they play against?
Against the smallest schools and towns in the state tourney....played against and beat some bigger schools in the regular season.
http://www.maxpreps.com/high-schools/xhAZaGRQvUKSZQAMt1OzWQ/minnesota-transitions-wolves/basketball/schedule.htm
Was just released from his LOI at BC....they are losing virtually all their recruits and the new coach has forced out a few others including a kid who played PG and left prep school early to enroll in January. New coach said he (PG) wasn't good enough for the ACC......
Quote from: texaswarrior74 on April 22, 2010, 01:50:59 PM
Was just released from his LOI at BC....they are losing virtually all their recruits and the new coach has forced out a few others including a kid who played PG and left prep school early to enroll in January. New coach said he (PG) wasn't good enough for the ACC......
ACC? For now anyways.... Weird time for recruiting. "How would you like to play in the ACC as a freshman? Then, maybe the BE, SEC or B10 the rest of your years? There's also the possibility of staying in the ACC..."
he sounds great! What a team we'd be with a Shurna or Koble! (Novak redux).
"He's got a lot of game and he's probably the hardest-working player that I've ever coached in 30 years. He's just a dream because he's got a high basketball IQ," said John Sherman, Minnesota Transitions Basketball Coach.
Get him, Buzz!!
Rivals has him listed as a Small Forward. Is that the case? I mean he is 6-10, I'd hope he has some moves down low. Maybe a project, but with that kind of intelligence, he could definitely develop and learn quickly.
So, who shows him around campus, Frozena?
So he gets compared to Shurna, Coble and Leuer. Always funny to me that white guys can only be compared to white guys. Could be a good role player in a few years but he clearly needs to add some bulk.
Quote from: Jacks DC on April 22, 2010, 04:30:59 PM
So he gets compared to Shurna, Coble and Leuer. Always funny to me that white guys can only be compared to white guys. Could be a good role player in a few years but he clearly needs to add some bulk.
So it seems from your words that you've seen him play quite a few times.
Could you tell us more about his game? And compare him to a non-white player?
I4 would compare him to DWade.
Never heard of him. Small school talent.
However;
He appears to be a Jim Mcilvane clone. 6'10"? Differnece would be 3 inches and he is described as a "basketball junkie"
Give him a year to develop--redshirt!
Why was he rewleased from BC?
Get the guy and work with him!
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He was reluctantly released by BC after he requested a release from his LOI due to the coaching change. He really liked the previous coach (Skinner) and was not happy to see the former Cornell coach get the job as his replacement.
There's a lot written about the whole BC athletic department mess if you do a Google search.
Quote from: willie warrior on April 22, 2010, 05:11:09 PM
Why was he rewleased from BC?
Are you kidding or should that be in teal?
A kid like Gordon Hayward showed this year, that if you can put the ball in the basket, you can contribute immediately despite a lack of bulk. Scorers are valuable...very valuable...in today's college game.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on April 22, 2010, 09:18:17 PM
A kid like Gordon Hayward showed this year, that if you can put the ball in the basket, you can contribute immediately despite a lack of bulk. Scorers are valuable...very valuable...in today's college game.
+1
If you can ball...it's cool!
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on April 22, 2010, 09:18:17 PM
A kid like Gordon Hayward showed this year, that if you can put the ball in the basket, you can contribute immediately despite a lack of bulk. Scorers are valuable...very valuable...in today's college game.
We agree completely...
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Quote from: indeelaw90 on April 23, 2010, 08:02:48 AM
We agree completely...
Signed
Reggie Miller
Stephen Curry
Kevin Durant
It's funny that you mentioned Durant, because as soon as I typed the above, I turned on the Laker / OKC game. There ya go, a 6'10" scorer.
Now I'm certainly not saying that this guy is going to be the next Kevin Durant, but I'd settle for the next Jon Leuer.
I know people always throw around giving players academic scholarships to avoid using an athletic one but this case seems legit. Above it says he scored a perfect 36 on his ACT with a 4.0 GPA.
What are the rules on this? I assume the NCAA has some kind of rule reguarding players recieving academic scholarships otherwise anyone with a halfway decent GPA would recieve one.
Does anyone have any knowlege on this? BMA maybe?
The ncaa will find a way to throw a hissy fit.
If a guy with a 4.0 GPA and 36 ACT doesn't get an academic scholaship, no one does.
From an old fart with probably a bad memory, I believe that Jerry Lucas turned down a BB scholarship and went to Ohio State on an academic scholarship
It happens in other sports all the time, but my recollection of how it can be done in basketball is a bit fuzzy. Pitt has a kid coming in the fall who is a full ride pre-med student that will also be a preferred walk on to the basketball team.
Well...my understanding is that he could decide to attend MU as a walk-on. It would then be up to MU to determine his academic scholarship. The problem is that the NCAA audits this stuff pretty carefully so it would be looking to make sure that an athlete isn't getting any special benefit. And my understanding is that there is only one academic scholarship offered annually that is similar in scope to an athletic scholarship. (Burke scholarship are only full-tuition for instance.) Financial aid could be used to make up the difference however.
I also know that at D1 basketball, there are no partial athletic scholarships. They all have to be full scholarships.
Furthermore, Noreen could transfer at any time. He could transfer the day before classes start and MU has no protection like they would if he signed an LOI. My guess is that this is the kind of stuff you don't mess with. If you want the kid, you sign him up.
Aren't there some restrictions on what you can and can't do when you are a walk-on? I thought that was one of the big things when Jordan's son got the scholarship, people were saying it was justified because he was able to have more access to tutors and the training room and stuff like that than he was able to as a walk-on.
If my ONLY option is to work out an academic scholarship without a LOI I take the risk on a 6'10" sniper who can come in right now and open up the court...I also do not understand why people are saying to redshirt this kid and wait until he bulks up to play...the muscle and low post presence can come later he doesnt need to be a 5 tool player right out of the shoot developing players can still be productive...this kid has also mentioned he wants to contribute early and I do not think that he would be sold on redshirting IMO...I really hope that we are telling gardner and cothron to wait because buzz believes noreen is the last peice to our 2010/2011 season...
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on April 23, 2010, 10:48:03 AM
Well...my understanding is that he could decide to attend MU as a walk-on. It would then be up to MU to determine his academic scholarship. The problem is that the NCAA audits this stuff pretty carefully so it would be looking to make sure that an athlete isn't getting any special benefit. And my understanding is that there is only one academic scholarship offered annually that is similar in scope to an athletic scholarship. (Burke scholarship are only full-tuition for instance.) Financial aid could be used to make up the difference however.
I also know that at D1 basketball, there are no partial athletic scholarships. They all have to be full scholarships.
Furthermore, Noreen could transfer at any time. He could transfer the day before classes start and MU has no protection like they would if he signed an LOI. My guess is that this is the kind of stuff you don't mess with. If you want the kid, you sign him up.
If a student plays basketball on an academic scholarship, is eligibility effected at all in terms of transfering or medical redshirting?
Quote from: icheights on April 23, 2010, 10:58:08 AM
If my ONLY option is to work out an academic scholarship without a LOI I take the risk on a 6'10" sniper who can come in right now and open up the court...I also do not understand why people are saying to redshirt this kid and wait until he bulks up to play...the muscle and low post presence can come later he doesnt need to be a 5 tool player right out of the shoot developing players can still be productive...this kid has also mentioned he wants to contribute early and I do not think that he would be sold on redshirting IMO...I really hope that we are telling gardner and cothron to wait because buzz believes noreen is the last peice to our 2010/2011 season...
Of course this kid doesn't wanna red shirt, he will probally graduate in 3 years anyway.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on April 23, 2010, 10:48:03 AM
Furthermore, Noreen could transfer at any time. He could transfer the day before classes start and MU has no protection like they would if he signed an LOI. My guess is that this is the kind of stuff you don't mess with. If you want the kid, you sign him up.
I've heard this too. If he does
not sign a LOI, other schools can keep recruiting him while he is at MU. It is theoretically possible he could play for us until the end of the semester and the next day transfer, and without the restrictions of a LOI, play right away for another school.
Do we really want other teams assistants on MU's campus talking to our players?
Quote from: KipsBayEagle on April 23, 2010, 10:59:22 AM
If a student plays basketball on an academic scholarship, is eligibility effected at all in terms of transfering or medical redshirting?
I am not sure about the redshirt issue, but he could transfer at any time without having to sit out.
While I think the chances of landing the guy without using an Athletic Scholarhip are long it does open up a lot of possibilities. The staff could say that we have two centers both of which have "injury" issues. We won't know what their situation will be until the end of the summer but using this alternative academic route we will make sure you have a full ride here one way or another.
If I'm the kid I'm not sure I care provided my school is fully paid and I'm treated like the other players (live in their accommodations etc). In fact if you want to look at the positives from his side if he is not under an athletic scholarship a lot of the Stupid work rules should go away. He can work a job and get paid.
As far as other teams "stealing" him once he is here without the LOI protection, its not like he is going to be the Kevin Durant. If he averaged 4 points and 3 or 4 boards as a freshman that would be a great showing. No high profile program is going try to steal a kid who's just average
He is going to have offer's at High Major's from all over the country he is not going to mess around with anything other than a full ride on a Athletic schlorship.
I'd love to have this cat on our team. Hey, if nothing else he adds a little diversity. Don't be surprised, however, if he lands at NU. Much better fit academically and possibly athletically as well.
Quote from: kmwtrucks on April 23, 2010, 12:18:07 PM
He is going to have offer's at High Major's from all over the country he is not going to mess around with anything other than a full ride on a Athletic schlorship.
+1
Quote from: 4everwarriors on April 23, 2010, 12:27:14 PM
I'd love to have this cat on our team. Hey, if nothing else he adds a little diversity. Don't be surprised, however, if he lands at NU. Much better fit academically and possibly athletically as well.
NU? You think Northwestern is a better fit athletically than MU? Please tell...
Nvm, I'm an idiot...
I said possibly a better athletic fit since I've never seen his game. If he can get up and down the court, then maybe it won't matter athletically. Carmody's Princeton offense, with a lot of ball movement, is perfect for a spot up shooter. Scores are generally in the high 50's or 60's and the pace, in general, in the Big Ten is much slower. Buzz is on record as saying he wants to push the ball.
I'm glad you didn't attempt to challenge the academic fit, however.
Quote from: JWags85 on April 23, 2010, 02:06:39 PM
I love Marquette as much as the next guy, and think its a fantastic academic school, but if you don't think NW is a better academic school, you are tripping. Especially when we are talking about a very intelligent kid who most likely wouldn't struggle with coursework at either institution.
reading comprehension... please re-read my post
How's the fit athlemademically?
Quote from: LastWarrior on April 23, 2010, 02:15:53 PM
reading comprehension... please re-read my post
I already edited. Its been a long week, my bad...Badger academic bravado must have clouded my senses.
Just talked to a student who was at the Fan Fanatic picnic yesterday and he said the only team member not there was Erik Williams. Usually it's an event to introduce next year's team. Not to read too much into it, but this could be the mystery scholarship. Oh, and Mbao was there yesterday.
Quote from: Doris Burkes Thong on April 22, 2010, 03:36:53 PM
No, Mbao will.
Not a bad idea. We could find out how many of the five languages that Mbao knows that Kevin is also fluent in.
Quote from: indeelaw90 on April 23, 2010, 08:02:48 AM
We agree completely...
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Damm, I hope you're not implying that he's a one and done.
I have a VERY bad feeling that Duke might come sniffing around. They still have a scholarship that they are looking to use on Michael Haynes, if he qualifies. Haynes is a 6'6" 225 power forward.
Quote from: icheights on April 23, 2010, 10:58:08 AM
...I really hope that we are telling gardner and cothron to wait because buzz believes noreen is the last peice to our 2010/2011 season...
I really hope you aren't serious about preferring this kid over Cothron...if Cothron were ready to commit, that's who we should take - or Dieng. I'd probably rate it in order of preference:
Dieng
Cothron
Gardner
Noreen
Most important stat I see is that even if you count only his games against 4a and 3a schools, he would still easily lead the state in scoring with over 28 a game.obviously that isn't like leading illinois or new york in scoring, but if we can get the guy who is easily the top scorer in the state and he is 6-10 I don't see how we pass. We've had one year in the past decade with a bona fide big man and we went final 4.
Quote from: Ners on April 23, 2010, 07:10:01 PM
I really hope you aren't serious about preferring this kid over Cothron...if Cothron were ready to commit, that's who we should take - or Dieng. I'd probably rate it in order of preference:
Dieng
Cothron
Gardner
Noreen
As usual, I pretty much agree with you Ners,
except I'd take Noreen over Gardner because I prefer Noreen's kind of weight issue, needs to put some on, to Gardener's kind of weight issue, needs to drop 30 + pounds.
I'm with Ners and Little Murs. The one piece we're missing is an athletic big. Noreen's a stick, who may not even weigh 200 lbs. and is reportedly not very athletic. He's not what we need.
Quote from: LittleMurs on April 23, 2010, 06:32:15 PM
I have a VERY bad feeling that Duke might come sniffing around. They still have a scholarship that they are looking to use on Michael Haynes, if he qualifies. Haynes is a 6'6" 225 power forward.
Haynes committed to UTEP a couple of days ago.
joe fulce's twitter: "just saw tha new recruit at open gym. He's a big boy"
Noreen?
Dieng, probably
oh yea, forgot about him.
Quote from: MU_B2002 on April 23, 2010, 07:55:47 PM
joe fulce's twitter: "just saw tha new recruit at open gym. He's a big boy"
Noreen?
Quote from: Boone on April 23, 2010, 07:58:21 PM
Dieng, probably
Whoever it ends up being, it sure seems like a new member to the 2010 class is coming very soon.
Well the fact "he's a big boy" does Dieng really fit that? isn't he 6'10 210lbs? I mean that is taller than Joe but is it that much bigger that he would say that? That would sound like it would be Gardner based on size since cothron is also about 210-220 right?
Gardner visited us already...for the ND game.
Quote from: brewcity77 on April 23, 2010, 05:53:16 PM
Just talked to a student who was at the Fan Fanatic picnic yesterday and he said the only team member not there was Erik Williams. Usually it's an event to introduce next year's team. Not to read too much into it, but this could be the mystery scholarship. Oh, and Mbao was there yesterday.
I was at the picnic too, E Will and Yous were both there. The only guys I didn't see were Zar and Mo.
Quote from: Boone on April 23, 2010, 08:44:04 PM
Gardner visited us already...for the ND game.
As far as Gardner being on campus I meant was he around working out similar to what Vander was doing a few weeks ago. (I do realize this is unlikely, but curious if he had Friday off and came up for some reason).
Quote from: mstang917 on April 23, 2010, 10:10:03 PM
I was at the picnic too, E Will and Yous were both there. The only guys I didn't see were Zar and Mo.
Lazar was there. He was wearing a Yankees hat and USA Bball jacket. I saw him around a bunch of players on the team. Also I can second that EWill was there.
I think someone said Dieng was here today and if Fulce tweeted that I assume he was talking about him. Plus it seems like Dieng is more an inside/banger type of guy compared to Noreen, so it makes sense to me that Fulce would call him a big boy as I took his tweet to mean more of a load inside. Probably reading too much into it, but if we do need another scholarship filled Dieng excites me. Although it seems like there are a lot of good options out there. Noreen seems like an intriguing prospect.
Today's Boston Globe says Noreen is "considering" staying at BC.
Here's how we get this guy on the team without using an athletic scholarship. We get him on campus during the summer. He's a 4.0 grade guy with a 36 ACT, right? So, we have him test out of all four years of his courses during the summer. Then we hire him as a professor, and give him a light teaching load. I bet Professors can play on a school's athletic teams if they haven't used their eligibility, so we'd be set. And the guy would be getting paid to boot. Maybe we can still get Wisconsin's Mr. Basketball for this year as well before he heads out to Princeton.
An athletic scholarship covers everything. If Noreen accepts less than an athletic scholarship than we should check out if he was the one who actually took the ACT.
Faking an ACT is doable, but faking every class for four years to get a 4.0 high school GPA? There's no reason any school would fake every class a kid takes. Pretty sure he's legitimately smart.
Quote from: brewcity77 on April 24, 2010, 10:02:35 AM
Faking an ACT is doable, but faking every class for four years to get a 4.0 high school GPA? There's no reason any school would fake every class a kid takes. Pretty sure he's legitimately smart.
not if he takes the deal littlemurs suggested... which i'm sure was tongue in cheek.
Quote from: cheebs09 on April 23, 2010, 11:43:35 PM
Lazar was there. He was wearing a Yankees hat and USA Bball jacket. I saw him around a bunch of players on the team. Also I can second that EWill was there.
I think someone said Dieng was here today and if Fulce tweeted that I assume he was talking about him. Plus it seems like Dieng is more an inside/banger type of guy compared to Noreen, so it makes sense to me that Fulce would call him a big boy as I took his tweet to mean more of a load inside. Probably reading too much into it, but if we do need another scholarship filled Dieng excites me. Although it seems like there are a lot of good options out there. Noreen seems like an intriguing prospect.
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It had to be Dieng. Noreen isn't coming until today.
Quote from: LittleMurs on April 23, 2010, 07:28:47 PM
As usual, I pretty much agree with you Ners, except I'd take Noreen over Gardner because I prefer Noreen's kind of weight issue, needs to put some on, to Gardener's kind of weight issue, needs to drop 30 + pounds.
Good point about the weight issues of Noreen and Gardner...usually easier to bulk a player up, than to keep a big bodied kid in shape - but with MU's training staff, both would do well/be in good hands to get them to their competitve best.
It's pretty great that we can have prospects like Dieng, Cothron, Noreen and Gardner considering MU at this point..on top of the class Buzz has already signed. Buzz is assembling the deepest and most talented team MU has seen in a long time - could take Kevin O'Neill's 94 team, and prior to that some of Al's teams - though as I understand Al pretty much went 7-8 blue chips and not much beyond that.
Quote from: brewcity77 on April 24, 2010, 10:02:35 AM
Faking an ACT is doable, but faking every class for four years to get a 4.0 high school GPA? There's no reason any school would fake every class a kid takes. Pretty sure he's legitimately smart.
Faking a qualifying ACT score is doable. Faking a perfect ACT score, I've got to think is next to impossible.
Quote from: LittleMurs on April 26, 2010, 09:30:12 PM
Faking a qualifying ACT score is doable. Faking a perfect ACT score, I've got to think is next to impossible.
Even if it were possible, the best cheaters know that you never go for a perfect score. Too much scrutiny. Subtlety is key. Score a 100 on a mid-term exam, and you're going to get a second look every time, even if you are the smartest kid in the class.
As someone whose job it was to root out cheaters for two years, I would say that faking a perfect ACT score isn't just "next to impossible," it is downright idiotic.
Another Noreen tidbit. Last April he was 6'8", He is now listed as 6'10", and there are references to him growing two inches in the last year the old fashioned way - by actual growth - not just by a "numbers" growth.
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Schools emerge in pursuit of Noreen
April 27, 2010
He's 6-foot-10 and the all-time leading scorer in the state of Minnesota after averaging 37 points and 16 rebounds a game his senior season. Boston College got him to sign on the dotted line last November but Kevin Noreen is back on the market following the Eagles' coaching change.
After word broke that he had been officially released from his letter of intent, a parade of coaches have made their way to the Minneapolis area to check Noreen, the player that led Minnesota Transitions to the the Class A state championship last month.
"Teams at Minnesota Transitions yesterday were Providence, Texas, Lehigh, Indiana , Washington State, and California," said MTS Wolves coach John Sherman last Thursday. "The day before Minnesota, Iowa State, and Penn (were there). Other interest (is coming from) Penn State, Northwestern, and Marquette."
Yesterday a source in Minnesota tell Peegs.com that Noreen has begun taking and scheduling campus visits. The Mr. Basketball award winner apparently visited Northwestern on Sunday and the Wildcats may be considered the early frontrunner. The information also indicates that another Big Ten school will get a first hand chance to sell the high scoring forward. Indiana is expected to host Noreen sometime in the next week. Another school expected to receive a visit is Providence. The Friars may be out on the east coast but are led by a guy who knows the upper midwest well (Keno Davis).
Nearby Minnesota could be a factor but the Golden Gophers recently signed a pair of late post players. Rivals150 prospect Maurice Walker, a 6-foot-10, 300-pound center from Brewster Academy (N.H.) and 6-foot-9, 210-pound Oto Osenieks from Brehm Prep in Carbondale, Ill. are now both officially Gophers. In the fall Coach Tubby Smith signed 6-foot-11, 235-pound Elliott Eliason from Chadron, Neb.
Indiana currently has one scholarship available for this fall and could add two this spring via the Big Ten rule that allows oversigning by one player. Of course like every program the Hoosiers would be limited to 13 scholarships come enrollment time in the fall semester.
Noreen is visiting Iowa State this week. Close to home, plus heard being from Minny, he is very familiar with Hoiberg.
I thought Noreen had decided to go back into the Army for structure and discipline?
Quote from: twisted on May 02, 2010, 06:26:22 PM
Noreen is visiting Iowa State this week. Close to home, plus heard being from Minny, he is very familiar with Hoiberg.
Hoiberg's best chance is to convince Kevin that he could be the start of a turnaround at Iowa State. A turnaround that may take some time if Craig Brackins stays in the NBA draft.