""The AAU coach for Virginia center Davante Gardner said Tuesday night that he likely will need a few more days before making a decision between USF and Marquette. "
http://blogs.tampabay.com/usf/2010/04/combo-guard-haynes-signs-with-usf-basketball.html
Hopefully he can pay his own way if he picks Marquette, or get an academic scholarship, since we're out of basketball scholarships.
Quote from: brewcity77 on April 15, 2010, 09:32:01 AM
Hopefully he can pay his own way if he picks Marquette, or get an academic scholarship, since we're out of basketball scholarships.
It means someone else has to leave. Simple as that. If he wants to come here, he will have a spot.
Dumb question, but I thought I would ask:
Someone on the team would need to be taken off the team before we can offer a scholie, correct? It's not like we can offer, have the recruit accept, and then figure out what to do with the "odd-guy-out?"
I've always wondered how we can offer 7 or 8 recruits scholarships and accept only 2 or 3 (sort of realize that maybe this topic has been rehashed a bit on this board). Is it a wait-and-see kind of process. Feel free to enlighten me.
But back OT, maybe Gardner is waiting for that odd-man-out?
It's not realistic to speculate that he'd pay his own way.
Quote from: MUCrew on April 15, 2010, 09:41:08 AM
Dumb question, but I thought I would ask:
Someone on the team would need to be taken off the team before we can offer a scholie, correct? It's not like we can offer, have the recruit accept, and then figure out what to do with the "odd-guy-out?"
I've always wondered how we can offer 7 or 8 recruits scholarships and accept only 2 or 3 (sort of realize that maybe this topic has been rehashed a bit on this board). Is it a wait-and-see kind of process. Feel free to enlighten me.
You can offer as many kids as you want to offer, there's no limit on that. Every school offers many more kids than they have available scholarships, you have to do so to be able to actually fill the spots.
You can sign more kids than you have spots as well. The only requirement is that you are down to 13 scholarships by the time the season starts. Some conferences have rules against oversigning, but the Big East isn't one of them.
Sorry, should have used teal to indicate my sarcasm. I know he won't pay his own way.
But personally, I'm fine with next year's team. I don't see any reason to get rid of anyone. If someone chose to transfer, that's their decision, but there's no one I want to see transfer. Clearly none of the new recruits. We need DJO and Butler. Otule and Mbao both have great size and are only sophomores. Buycks and Fulce both provide experience and depth. Cadougan and Williams were both just freshmen last year and should develop into fantastic players in the next three years.
I'm all for adding as much talent as we possibly can, but we have a solid core right now. We have guys who are ready to lead us now, we have guys look ready to make the jump to major contributors by next year, and we have plenty of youth to keep us going for the next few years. Buzz has put together the right mix of classes. I am perfectly content to see us go forward with our team just as it is.
Anybody heard anything on this kid - from my research it doesn't look like he's signed with South Florida as of yet?? I'm not a Rivals or Scout Member so don't have access to check all sites, but from my review of USF blog, it didn't looked like he signed as of yesterday. Kind of bizarre in that its been a week now, and his AAU coach said on April 14th that he just needed a couple of more days to finalize his decision..yet its been a week?
Speculation anyone?
Quote from: MUCrew on April 15, 2010, 09:41:08 AM
I've always wondered how we can offer 7 or 8 recruits scholarships and accept only 2 or 3 (sort of realize that maybe this topic has been rehashed a bit on this board). Is it a wait-and-see kind of process. Feel free to enlighten me.
But back OT, maybe Gardner is waiting for that odd-man-out?
"Offers" are often conditional...that is how a team can have 8 "offers" out there when they may only have 2 spots.
A kid may receive an offer from a school, but that doesnt mean it is unconditional and just commit right then and there. He may have the offer, but the coaches may not take his commitment until they are ready. Say a coach offers 2 PGs...The better one can commit when he wants (unconditional) while the 2nd PG's offer is contingent on whether or not the other PG commits. Both PGs still have "offers," but not all "offers" are created equal.
That is why you have to be careful when you read an article about a kid that has "offers" from various schools. Kids not only lie about even having "offers," but also misrepresent what they actually are. And because coaches cannot comment on unsigned recruits, there is no way to call the kids out for lying about their "offers."
Some kid may say hes "choosing" between 2-3 schools, when in fact, the Coach may be the one doing the choosing, between 2-3 different players.
BTW...I have a feeling this is what is happening with Gardner. I dont think it is necessarily on him to make a decision...but rather he has to wait for the "OK" to make his decision.
Quote from: GOMU1104 on April 21, 2010, 11:54:03 AM
BTW...I have a feeling this is what is happening with Gardner. I dont think it is necessarily on him to make a decision...but rather he has to wait for the "OK" to make his decision.
From all I've read it sounds like he has a standing offer from USF - the fact he hasn't accepted that, yet lists MU as a finalist, makes me think MU is his first choice - but perhaps Buzz isn't ready to pull the trigger just yet, as maybe there need to be a few more dominos that need to fall..either regarding our current roster status/eligibility...or with other recruits of interest - Cothron, Swilling, etc.? Any insight 1104?
Quote from: Ners on April 21, 2010, 01:57:56 PM
From all I've read it sounds like he has a standing offer from USF - the fact he hasn't accepted that, yet lists MU as a finalist, makes me think MU is his first choice - but perhaps Buzz isn't ready to pull the trigger just yet, as maybe there need to be a few more dominos that need to fall..either regarding our current roster status/eligibility...or with other recruits of interest - Cothron, Swilling, etc.? Any insight 1104?
+1
Quote from: Ners on April 21, 2010, 01:57:56 PM
Any insight 1104?
Nothing more than what I already posted.
Quote from: Ners on April 21, 2010, 01:57:56 PM
From all I've read it sounds like he has a standing offer from USF - the fact he hasn't accepted that, yet lists MU as a finalist, makes me think MU is his first choice - but perhaps Buzz isn't ready to pull the trigger just yet, as maybe there need to be a few more dominos that need to fall..either regarding our current roster status/eligibility...or with other recruits of interest - Cothron, Swilling, etc.? Any insight 1104?
Quote from: mu77vegas on April 21, 2010, 02:17:31 PM
+1
-1 that's not what he's waiting on. In fact things point to Gardner having already made up his mind and that would explain why he's not taking his recruitment serious the last week.
I mean Marquette is a good program but UNC, KU, or UK it isn't. Kids wait on those kind of programs. If he was that blown away and dedicated to Marq then he would have committed weeks ago w/o taking other visits. That's normally what they tend to do.
I think we will know real soon what Gardner's big secret is. Could be USF, Marq, or soon other unknown.
Quote from: Vega on April 21, 2010, 02:44:59 PM
If he was that blown away and dedicated to Marq then he would have committed weeks ago w/o taking other visits. That's normally what they tend to do.
Not if MU wasnt "blown away and dedicated to" HIM...It goes both ways.
Yeah Vega, that is everybody's point. Maybe Gardner has already told Buzz that he would love to be at Marquette and is committed. However, Buzz has not accepted that commitment because he is waiting on other recruits, trying to figure out how to fit him on the roster, etc. Until Buzz officially accepts or declines the committment, Gardner is silent.
I see four options:
1. Gardner is waiting on MU (conditional offer),
2. Gardner is waiting on USF (conditional offer),
3. Gardner hasn't completely made up his mind,
4. Gardner is waiting for an unnamed school to offer.
If option #1 is the true reason, I suspect Buzz has told him to hold off until after the Dieng visit. At this juncture in time, I think Buzz knows he has a 2010 scholarship to offer.
FWIW, Dieng has been very impressive as of late, and many believe he is vastly underrated.
...maybe waiting on this Noreen visit
I am really torn on this. I am happy with next year's roster, hope all the kids are happy with the program, and would hate to see anyone pushed out.
HOWEVER, we may never get over the hump if we once again have only one strong guy on the roster, and he is 6-foot-6. The good news is with Mboa/Otule we can have a shotblocker on the court that we've lacked the entire decade. However, the other half of the equation is watching a game like Syracuse where Lazar is muscling up with one guy, and every other Big East wide body is crashing the board for offensive rebounds or easy layups and we just have no defense.
Jae Crowder looks like a stud who will fill Lazar's shoes as well as possible. However, running a four guard offense (DJO, Junior, Vander Blue and Butler) and Crowder won't work in a lot of games in the BE. If we can get a TRUE powerful center like Davante Gardner or Dieng then I believe you have to make the upgrade and give yourself a physical option. I just hope Buzz would only bump someone if it is a true MAJOR upgrade, and not a minor tweak in the roster that would displace someone.
Noreen's undoubtedly got skills, but his game isn't built on rebounding or strong interior play. Pass.
Noreen averaged 20 boards per game.
Gardner tipped the scales north of 320...how you say? Lloyd Moore?
Quote from: bamamarquettefan on April 21, 2010, 09:29:44 PM
I am really torn on this. I am happy with next year's roster, hope all the kids are happy with the program, and would hate to see anyone pushed out.
HOWEVER, we may never get over the hump if we once again have only one strong guy on the roster, and he is 6-foot-6. The good news is with Mboa/Otule we can have a shotblocker on the court that we've lacked the entire decade. However, the other half of the equation is watching a game like Syracuse where Lazar is muscling up with one guy, and every other Big East wide body is crashing the board for offensive rebounds or easy layups and we just have no defense.
How do we know that either of these "shotblockers" will play next year--or will they be hospitalized again?
Look behind the numbers. The competition Noreen faced wasn't very stiff.
Quote from: Boone on April 22, 2010, 07:19:07 AM
Look behind the numbers. The competition Noreen faced wasn't very stiff.
I'm on this board as much as the next guy but this one is completely over my head. Who or what is Noreen? What did I miss?
6'8" 190 lb. Kevin Noreen got out of his LOI to BC and according to someone on Gopher Hole he's visiting MU this weekend.
He went to a very small school in the Cities, got a 36 on his ACT, and is the all time leading scorer in Minnesota history.
Whenever I see a kid like Kevin Noreen who has a great ACT and probably a good GPA to boot, I wonder whether he can receive some sort of academic scholarship and still play on the basketball team (as a walk on). Is that allowed without eating one of the basketball schollies? For example, what does Frozena have in terms of financial aid?
Quote from: ATL MU Warrior on April 22, 2010, 08:14:57 AM
I'm on this board as much as the next guy but this one is completely over my head. Who or what is Noreen? What did I miss?
I'm definitely out of the loop with who Noreen is also. I've read the knock on him is that his numbers reflect play against some non-competitive teams (scoring 4000 points is a pretty huge accomplishment IMO). Despite that, he was voted Metro POY and joins a pretty good group of former POYs. Other than that I don't know too much about him.
Found this local video of him (CBS in MN) (http://wcco.com/video/?id=73141@wcco.dayport.com)
Rivals actually has Noreen listed at 6'10" and 217 lbs. with the skill set of a Kevin Coble/John Shurna of Northwestern. He was Mr. Basketball in Minnesotta and looks like a stud...Much rather have him than Gardner especially if Mbao and Otule stay. Buzz would load the cupboard if he was able to recruit this kid.
Scoring points still requires you to put the ball in the hoop, does it not?
This Noreen is new to me too. Sounds intriguing. I continue to say the same as others I dont want to see anyone leave. I simply love the potential of Willimas, Mbao, and otule going forward. they will all only be sophomores and i love what they could become in another year or two. i think willimas frame could simply explode in another year or two and i think he has a nice skill set and good athleticism to become a true PF.
That said if those three stay your are assuredly not going to give up on DJO, Buycks especially as a hometown senior, butler or Fulce.
therefore, I think we do need a big and the best oprtion maybe to take a kid like Newbill as probably the player of least immediate need and stick him at a place like ST. John's where he can play a high level schedule , start, and not use up a years eleigibility.
Did not originally know about this Noreen guy, it is amazing to me Al Skinners abiltiy recruit the livng he11 out of the twin cities.
Quote from: icheights on April 22, 2010, 08:58:35 AM
Rivals actually has Noreen listed at 6'10" and 217 lbs. with the skill set of a Kevin Coble/John Shurna of Northwestern. He was Mr. Basketball in Minnesotta and looks like a stud...Much rather have him than Gardner especially if Mbao and Otule stay. Buzz would load the cupboard if he was able to recruit this kid.
If the cat is half the player either Coble or Shurna is, I take take him sight unseen. Don't give a rat's ass if his high school competition was against Our Lady of Perprtual Motion.
Quote from: Canadian Dimes on April 22, 2010, 09:37:19 AM
This Noreen is new to me too. Sounds intriguing. I continue to say the same as others I dont want to see anyone leave. I simply love the potential of Willimas, Mbao, and otule going forward. they will all only be sophomores and i love what they could become in another year or two. i think willimas frame could simply explode in another year or two and i think he has a nice skill set and good athleticism to become a true PF.
That said if those three stay your are assuredly not going to give up on DJO, Buycks especially as a hometown senior, butler or Fulce.
Who is going to pay Newbill's tuition? I also disagree with your presumption that he does not have an impact next year.
therefore, I think we do need a big and the best oprtion maybe to take a kid like Newbill as probably the player of least immediate need and stick him at a place like ST. John's where he can play a high level schedule , start, and not use up a years eleigibility.
Did not originally know about this Noreen guy, it is amazing to me Al Skinners abiltiy recruit the livng he11 out of the twin cities.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on April 22, 2010, 12:00:33 PM
If the cat is half the player either Coble or Shurna is, I take take him sight unseen. Don't give a rat's ass if his high school competition was against Our Lady of Perprtual Motion.
what he said.
Quote from: Canadian Dimes on April 22, 2010, 09:37:19 AM
This Noreen is new to me too. Sounds intriguing. I continue to say the same as others I dont want to see anyone leave. I simply love the potential of Willimas, Mbao, and otule going forward. they will all only be sophomores and i love what they could become in another year or two. i think willimas frame could simply explode in another year or two and i think he has a nice skill set and good athleticism to become a true PF.
That said if those three stay your are assuredly not going to give up on DJO, Buycks especially as a hometown senior, butler or Fulce.
therefore, I think we do need a big and the best oprtion maybe to take a kid like Newbill as probably the player of least immediate need and stick him at a place like ST. John's where he can play a high level schedule , start, and not use up a years eleigibility.
Did not originally know about this Noreen guy, it is amazing to me Al Skinners abiltiy recruit the livng he11 out of the twin cities.
I am holding out hope that
we add one more and nobody leaves. In other words, someone
VOLUNTARILY gives up their schollie for
one year. They become a walk-on for one season with an opportunity to earn back the schollie with significant progress. I don't pretend to know the financial situations of any of the players, but would it be the worst thing in the world to ask a player to pay/take out a loan for one year of school? I am constantly putting away money for my kids schooling and my parents paid for 4 yrs at MU for me.
Dude,
D1 recruited athletes DO NOT pay their own way regardless of the family's financial situation. Do you think Jeremiah Rivers told GU or IU, "save the bread, my old man's loaded"? Or did Charles Schwab pay for his son to quarterback NU? Is Al Toon footin' the bill for his kid to catch balls at UW? I could go on and on, get real.
Sorry, but that's pure fantasy.
Quote from: 94Warrior on April 22, 2010, 03:40:22 PM
I am holding out hope that we add one more and nobody leaves. In other words, someone VOLUNTARILY gives up their schollie for one year. They become a walk-on for one season with an opportunity to earn back the schollie with significant progress. I don't pretend to know the financial situations of any of the players, but would it be the worst thing in the world to ask a player to pay/take out a loan for one year of school? I am constantly putting away money for my kids schooling and my parents paid for 4 yrs at MU for me.
What world do you live in?
Quote from: 4everwarriors on April 22, 2010, 04:02:03 PM
Dude,
D1 recruited athletes DO NOT pay their own way regardless of the family's financial situation. Do you think Jeremiah Rivers told GU or IU, "save the bread, my old man's loaded"? Or did Charles Schwab pay for his son to quarterback NU? Is Al Toon footin' the bill for his kid to catch balls at UW? I could go on and on, get real.
Jeffery Jordan at U of I. I believe he was a walk-on his first year, then they gave him a schollie. One commercial by Michael could pay for a four year education.
Quote from: mr.MUskie on April 22, 2010, 04:12:33 PM
Jeffery Jordan at U of I. I believe he was a walk-on his first year, then they gave him a schollie. One commercial by Michael could pay for a four year education.
And unless I am missing someone I doubt we have the son of arguably the most famous athlete in history on the team. Also that is name recognition for the school and I'm guessing Illinois' tuition is less then MU.
That could totally happen! How old are Lebron's kids?
Quote from: 94Warrior on April 22, 2010, 03:40:22 PM
I am holding out hope that we add one more and nobody leaves. In other words, someone VOLUNTARILY gives up their schollie for one year. They become a walk-on for one season with an opportunity to earn back the schollie with significant progress. I don't pretend to know the financial situations of any of the players, but would it be the worst thing in the world to ask a player to pay/take out a loan for one year of school? I am constantly putting away money for my kids schooling and my parents paid for 4 yrs at MU for me.
36 ACT? Give him all the bennies of a scholastic scholarship and a red shirt year--go get him!
Quote from: DawsonCreekFillanderer on April 22, 2010, 01:56:38 AM
Gardner tipped the scales north of 320...how you say? Lloyd Moore?
That was some time ago. Most reliable reports are that he played his senior year at 280. He still has weight to lose though.
Quote from: 94Warrior on April 21, 2010, 09:11:25 PM
I see four options:
1. Gardner is waiting on MU (conditional offer),
2. Gardner is waiting on USF (conditional offer),
3. Gardner hasn't completely made up his mind,
4. Gardner is waiting for an unnamed school to offer.
If option #1 is the true reason, I suspect Buzz has told him to hold off until after the Dieng visit. At this juncture in time, I think Buzz knows he has a 2010 scholarship to offer.
From what I've been hearing, this is the current situation.
1. Gardner has eligibility issues regarding test scores. He is eagerly awaiting his latest score now.
2. Gardner has been unconditionally offered by USF.
3. Gardner was ready to just accept the USF offer.
4. Gardner's family or coaches or both are holding him back until his test scores come back, so that he can choose from more options, one of which is very likely to be MU, if his test score qualifies him.
Quote from: LittleMurs on April 23, 2010, 07:54:53 PM
From what I've been hearing, this is the current situation.
1. Gardner has eligibility issues regarding test scores. He is eagerly awaiting his latest score now.
2. Gardner has been unconditionally offered by USF.
3. Gardner was ready to just accept the USF offer.
4. Gardner's family or coaches or both are holding him back until his test scores come back, so that he can choose from more options, one of which is very likely to be MU, if his test score qualifies him.
The USF unconditional offer doesn't mean much without the qualifying test score since the BE can't take partial qualifiers.
Quote from: downtown85 on April 22, 2010, 08:38:21 AM
Whenever I see a kid like Kevin Noreen who has a great ACT and probably a good GPA to boot, I wonder whether he can receive some sort of academic scholarship and still play on the basketball team (as a walk on). Is that allowed without eating one of the basketball schollies? For example, what does Frozena have in terms of financial aid?
It is too late to apply for an academic scholarship. February 15th was the cutoff.
http://www.marquette.edu/student/ugrad/scholarships.shtml
He could receive grants--but only to cover anything over the expected family contribution.
The NCAA (rightly so) makes it difficult to stockpile players using "academic" scholarships.