Not a single mention of Marquette. I don't see that we have any chance here gang.
http://northcarolina.scout.com/2/961644.html
Let me know if it won't open and I'll post excerpts.
It asks you to sign in. I wouldn't count Buzz out yet, especially if he shows he can develop talent this year. But Tokoto sounds like a very, very long shot for Buzz to get.
He will commit this Summer....to the Tarheels. The only reason UNC hasn't offered yet is because they abide by NABC rules to wait until a kid is finished with his sophomore year.
excerpts: My mistake, one mention, in his list of offers but he did leave out the fact that Duke has already offered
QuoteWhere does your college list stand at this point?
It goes Wisconsin, Marquette, Indiana, Minnesota, Iowa, Iowa State, Kentucky, Kansas. Getting looks from Florida, North Carolina hasn't offered yet, Michgan State has offered......
Do you think that North Carolina will offer?
Yeah, June 15th.
Are you excited about that?
Yeah, I'm very excited to talk to Coach (Williams). I'm waiting for it.
How does that process work? Is there a mutual understanding that an offer will happen or is it a situation where it might happen?
It's more of something that might happen. It's just a matter of time. If I keep playing the way I'm playing, and keep getting better, it's going to happen.
Does Coach Williams explain why he hasn't offered when so many other schools have?
He explained why he doesn't offer sophomores. He's part of a committee where they made a promise to each other not to offer a player until his sophomore year so he's honored that commitment ever since. .....
With so many schools, how will you cut that down?
I'm just going to look at education, basketball history, who's there, the recruits that are coming in my grade. I know I'm not going to be handed a position, but I want to play. ....
What coaches do you think have been the most frequent visitors to your gym over the last year?
Wisconsin, even though they're the home team, they make a lot of visits to my school and show how much they're interested in me. Coach (Roy) Williams has come up four or five times – twice to my open gym, two of my games and I believe he came another time. ....
Are there any other coach relationships that you've developed that stand out?
Coach Bo Ryan (at Wisconsin), we talk a lot. Coach (Greg) Gard from Wisconsin. I talk to Coach O(rlando Antigua) from Kentucky a lot ... Michigan State just recently came up for a game so I talked to Coach (Dwayne) Stephens. Every time we talk to a coach they're real cool, which is part of the recruiting pitch, but it's pretty nice. ... I've talked to Coach K(rzyzewski) on the phone about three times already and like I said with Coach Williams, he stays on the phone with me for like an hour. I love talking to Coach K and talking to Coach Roy Williams on the phone. That's every kid's dream – everybody wants to talk to them.
No luck linking here either.
On the plus side, he's really under no pressure to declare for another year and a half or so. If Lazar gets drafted, along with Wesley's success, and maybe a Sweet 16 or Elite 8 run next year, we could be right in it. If Cadougan and Blue show well next year, the idea of Tokoto joining them for a season, even as a one-and-done, might be appealing. After all, he's virtually assured starter minutes from day one here, something he might not find as easily at a Duke or North Carolina.
I agree with Chicos
Probably won't go to MU because he read something he didn't like here. ::)
I am pleased with all the time and resources that UW seems to be wasting on him.
He is a Tarheel. Book it.
That came from a North Carolina Scout site, so expect it to have some sort of lean/bias.
JPT and his Family were at MU's selection show party. There is a long ways to go in this recruitment. I highly doubt he commits this summer. Remember when we had no chance at Vander Blue?
Dont write this one off just yet.
Obviously Buzz would like JPT - That said, I think Buzz may be letting all these other coaches blow their load, and not overexpose himself to JPT at this point in time. My guess would be that Buzz would work to try to line up a meeting with JPT and his family before UNC would offer. Sometimes, less is more - and these kids get so showered with attention and praise, that I'm sure at some point it actually gets a little annoying. It's like the hot girl, who ultimately goes for the dude who doesn't fall all over her, chase her around, kiss her a$$ - I think to an extent, some of this same strategy could be effective and apply in recruiting, in certain cases.
JP is a Sophomore. UNC offers June 15 and he accepts. As I understand it, he cannot sign a LOI until November of his senior year, 18 months later. He can decomitt anytime he wants.
That's a loooong time between a verbal and signing. A lot can change, and often does.
Ask Vander Blue
Ask Aaron Bowen
Tokoto could be the type of guy to have a Carmelo-type impact here, maybe even leading us to a title. But if he does go elsewhere, I just hope it's not to Wisconsin or another Big East school. He'll do what he thinks is best for him and his NBA future, I just hope it doesn't lead to us seeing him in an opposing uniform for all of his college years.
He is only a soph, but his game is very incomplete right now.
He can't shoot at all. He is an athletic freak with a very good feel for the game. Nice passer and good instincts.
Not a 1 and done and not Carmelo.
Most of his points are put backs and dunks right now. I assume he will get a lot better but he does have a lot of work to do. More of an Alando Tucker type player right now
I wonder if the appeal of UNC lessens after watching this year's debacle. Bo has been all over him and Buzz and his parents seemed to be very comfortable at one of the games I was at.
Quote from: butchbadger on April 13, 2010, 09:38:38 AM
I wonder if the appeal of UNC lessens after watching this year's debacle.
But it's North Carolina. It's North Carolina.
As much as I'd like to see JPT in a Marquette uniform, let's face it, if any one of us was a stud HS player, we'd pick UNC over MU without batting an eye.
i guess i am a little confused ove rthe article...the orignal postaer states thereis no mention of Mu then another poster copies and pastes a mention of MU ::)
Quote from: butchbadger on April 13, 2010, 09:38:38 AM
I wonder if the appeal of UNC lessens after watching this year's debacle.
It's UNC, but making the NIT finals is not a complete disaster. I think the coach, the tradition, the Jordan brand, and all the talent they have still makes it a top 3 destination with KU and UK right now.
Quote from: HoopsMalone on April 13, 2010, 10:25:32 AM
It's UNC, but making the NIT finals is not a complete disaster. I think the coach, the tradition, the Jordan brand, and all the talent they have still makes it a top 3 destination with KU and UK right now.
Yes it does, but what will be the view in UNC one year from today if they have another dismal season?
Quote from: AnotherMU84 on April 13, 2010, 10:43:18 AM
Yes it does, but what will be the view in UNC one year from today if they have another dismal season?
Something tells me that adding the top high school player in the country in Harrison Barnes, along with returning 4 of their top 5 scorers and another top ten recruit will keep them from having a repeat next season. They may not be a top 5 team all season long, but they'll probably be a top 15 team next year.
They came back from the period between Smith and Williams as strong as ever. UNC is not going to see another precipitous decline under Roy Williams. A couple of down years will not hurt what is probably the best program in college basketball. Even this year they are going to have a lottery pick.
With so many schools, how will you cut that down?
I'm just going to look at education, basketball history, who's there, the recruits that are coming in my grade. I know I'm not going to be handed a position, but I want to play. ....
He wants to play. At UNC, will he get to play as much with all of these studs coming in?
Quotei guess i am a little confused ove rthe article...the orignal postaer states thereis no mention of Mu then another poster copies and pastes a mention of MU Roll Eyes
I'm the OP and I am also the person who corrected the mistake when I reposted the excerpts. It was much longer, I just picked out things that were not solely directed at UNC.
FWIW, the "insiders" on the UNC board (who happen to be well connected) are saying that Roy is going "all in" for JP just like he did for Harrison Barnes. From what they say, he rarely loses when he goes "all in."
This will be interesting to watch since Shabazz Mohammed is also high on their list in that class.
Quote from: texaswarrior74 on April 13, 2010, 11:27:30 AM
This will be interesting to watch since Shabazz Mohammed is also high on their list in that class.
Just yesterday, I was convinced the coolest recruit name ever was Fab Melo, now a Shabazz Mohammed. Damn that's dope.
Quote from: texaswarrior74 on April 13, 2010, 11:27:30 AM
FWIW, the "insiders" on the UNC board (who happen to be well connected) are saying that Roy is going "all in" for JP just like he did for Harrison Barnes. From what they say, he rarely loses when he goes "all in."
One advantage we have here in Wisconsin is that there is a basketball tradition, and I'd say it's much more impressive than that of Iowa, where Barnes is from. Neither Iowa State nor the Hawkeyes really have the pedigree of Marquette or even Wisconsin. Both schools here have national title banners, and both have Final Four appearances in recent memory. Whereas Barnes was looking at the two main in-state schools as having one Final Four appearance between them since 1956, both Marquette and Wisconsin have been there in the past decade. Not saying that will keep Tokoto here, but I do think that there's a far more legitimate pull from either Marquette or Madison.
What I would like to see Buzz do is try to bring Wade in on the recruiting. Maybe see if he'd come back to do a summer camp at the Al, and make sure that Tokoto is there. Not sure how Buzz's relations with D-Wade are, but if we can use him to say "hey, this is a place where you can maximize your star potential and turn a few college years into NBA greatness" with the guarantee of playing time, it might be worth more than him just being one more faceless McDonald's All-American at UNC.
One can at least dream of that, right? :D
Get him into the AL this summer for "open gym" and let him make some Marquette friends.
Quote from: KC2016 on April 13, 2010, 12:40:05 AM
Probably won't go to MU because he read something he didn't like here. ::)
He fears getting Buzz Cut!
Quote from: brewcity77 on April 13, 2010, 12:03:31 PMWhat I would like to see Buzz do is try to bring Wade in on the recruiting. Maybe see if he'd come back to do a summer camp at the Al, and make sure that Tokoto is there. Not sure how Buzz's relations with D-Wade are, but if we can use him to say "hey, this is a place where you can maximize your star potential and turn a few college years into NBA greatness" with the guarantee of playing time, it might be worth more than him just being one more faceless McDonald's All-American at UNC.
I don't think it would hurt to do that and see your point, but let's be honest here. Buzz did not have anything to do with Dwyane Wade. Also, if you want Buzz to do that, imagine what Roy could do with former UNC players. Hey JP, Vince Carter wants to talk to you, oh, and Rasheed Wallace, oh, and...the list goes on and on. And then after he finishes that list, he sends...MICHAEL F'ING JORDAN to have a little chat at UNC while he's there. Not to mention all the Kansas players he coached that are now in the NBA.
Plus, Buzz has 1 NCAA win, Roy has 2 National Championship wins himself just at UNC (also compared to Marquette's 1 in it's history, 15 years before JP was even born).
While I'm not suggesting we're out of it, I'm just trying to point out that we can try to throw all this stuff at JP, but a program like UNC, who's clearly going to go after this guy very hard, can call us and raise us ten-fold.
Quote from: brewcity77 on April 13, 2010, 12:03:31 PM
One advantage we have here in Wisconsin is that there is a basketball tradition, and I'd say it's much more impressive than that of Iowa, where Barnes is from. Neither Iowa State nor the Hawkeyes really have the pedigree of Marquette or even Wisconsin. Both schools here have national title banners, and both have Final Four appearances in recent memory. Whereas Barnes was looking at the two main in-state schools as having one Final Four appearance between them since 1956, both Marquette and Wisconsin have been there in the past decade. Not saying that will keep Tokoto here, but I do think that there's a far more legitimate pull from either Marquette or Madison.
What I would like to see Buzz do is try to bring Wade in on the recruiting. Maybe see if he'd come back to do a summer camp at the Al, and make sure that Tokoto is there. Not sure how Buzz's relations with D-Wade are, but if we can use him to say "hey, this is a place where you can maximize your star potential and turn a few college years into NBA greatness" with the guarantee of playing time, it might be worth more than him just being one more faceless McDonald's All-American at UNC.
One can at least dream of that, right? :D
How old is JP 15? I doubt if he remembers MU final 4 appearance in 2003. UW's was before that. I do not think recruits care that we won a National champioship 20 plus years before they were born.
Quote from: wadesworld on April 13, 2010, 01:14:18 PM
I don't think it would hurt to do that and see your point, but let's be honest here. Buzz did not have anything to do with Dwyane Wade. Also, if you want Buzz to do that, imagine what Roy could do with former UNC players. Hey JP, Vince Carter wants to talk to you, oh, and Rasheed Wallace, oh, and...the list goes on and on. And then after he finishes that list, he sends...MICHAEL F'ING JORDAN to have a little chat at UNC while he's there. Not to mention all the Kansas players he coached that are now in the NBA.
Plus, Buzz has 1 NCAA win, Roy has 2 National Championship wins himself just at UNC (also compared to Marquette's 1 in it's history, 15 years before JP was even born).
While I'm not suggesting we're out of it, I'm just trying to point out that we can try to throw all this stuff at JP, but a program like UNC, who's clearly going to go after this guy very hard, can call us and raise us ten-fold.
All valid points, none of which I disagree with. But at the moment, I would say Wade is currently a bigger star than anyone UNC has in the league. And as I said, I don't know what Buzz's relationship with Wade is like. If Crean were still here, I'd think it'd be an easier sell, but if Buzz can open those roads since Wade is still a former MU student, it's worth a shot. I know UNC has more history to offer, I'm just saying that the comparison of Harrison Barnes to JP Tokoto might be a bit unfair.
Quote from: bilsu on April 13, 2010, 01:16:17 PMHow old is JP 15? I doubt if he remembers MU final 4 appearance in 2003. UW's was before that. I do not think recruits care that we won a National champioship 20 plus years before they were born.
He's 15 or 16. I was in 8th grade in 2003, and I am 5 grades older than him, so he would have been in 3rd grade. I would bet he remembers it.
Not comparing MU to UNC, but Buzz had as much to do with Wade as Roy Williams did with Vince Carter and Rasheed Wallace.
QuoteNot comparing MU to UNC, but Buzz had as much to do with Wade as Roy Williams did with Vince Carter and Rasheed Wallace.
But he was the principal recruiter for Michael Jordan.
All Roy has to do is invite him to visit during the summer when Vince and Sheed and many others are on campus daily playing pick up ball with the current team; it's an annual occurrence at UNC. The UNC basketball "family" is like no other in college ball. Their 100th anniversary alumni game was something to behold.
You cats are missing the entire picture. If a player of this caliper thinks he has a better opportunity to play in the Association by attending a particular school and playing for that coach, that's where he's going.
All the other bullsheet reasons, other than some family influences, don't matter. Whether the coeds are easy, or the food is good, or the weather sucks, or Creans droppings don't stink, do not matter.
Quote from: PE8983 on April 13, 2010, 01:57:30 PMNot comparing MU to UNC, but Buzz had as much to do with Wade as Roy Williams did with Vince Carter and Rasheed Wallace.
That was my point. Roy can do the same thing, with many more of them, and THEN he could call all the players he ACTUALLY coached at Kansas.
Quote from: wadesworld on April 13, 2010, 01:31:37 PM
He's 15 or 16. I was in 8th grade in 2003, and I am 5 grades older than him, so he would have been in 3rd grade. I would bet he remembers it.
If he remembers it, he will emember we were blown out by the North Carolina coach when he was coach of Kansas. I do not see this as a good thing to bring up.
Quote from: bilsu on April 13, 2010, 06:45:17 PMIf he remembers it, he will emember we were blown out by the North Carolina coach when he was coach of Kansas. I do not see this as a good thing to bring up.
So you're saying that if Tokoto remembers 2003, we shouldn't try to use Wade to recruit him? I'm not saying Wade would, but right now he is the most marketable NBA player with a college background. If he would lend an assist to Buzz (no reason he would, but if...) then it would be lunacy not to use it. What current NBA star would be a bigger drawing piece? Lebron? Kobe? Neither played college ball. Tim Howard? Vince Carter? Maybe 7-8 years ago. Carmelo Anthony? That's probably next best, but who gets more ads, D-Wade or Melo? It's not even close.
Again, no idea if Buzz could bring him into the picture, and I fully realize that UNC has more ammo from the past 20 years than we do, but let's get realistic. Roy Williams will use those opportunities. If Tokoto is on campus at UNC, you can pretty much bet that he will find a way to have a few Tarheel greats saunter through the gym. If we have the chance to do the same thing with the largest profile college player currently in the Association, it'd simply be stupid not to.
Quote from: brewcity77 on April 14, 2010, 09:00:46 AM
So you're saying that if Tokoto remembers 2003, we shouldn't try to use Wade to recruit him? I'm not saying Wade would, but right now he is the most marketable NBA player with a college background. If he would lend an assist to Buzz (no reason he would, but if...) then it would be lunacy not to use it. What current NBA star would be a bigger drawing piece? Lebron? Kobe? Neither played college ball. Tim Howard? Vince Carter? Maybe 7-8 years ago. Carmelo Anthony? That's probably next best, but who gets more ads, D-Wade or Melo? It's not even close.
Again, no idea if Buzz could bring him into the picture, and I fully realize that UNC has more ammo from the past 20 years than we do, but let's get realistic. Roy Williams will use those opportunities. If Tokoto is on campus at UNC, you can pretty much bet that he will find a way to have a few Tarheel greats saunter through the gym. If we have the chance to do the same thing with the largest profile college player currently in the Association, it'd simply be stupid not to.
If there's anyone who could convince a recruit to attend his alma mater, it's definitely Tim Howard!
My understanding of Tokoto is that he's a pretty level headed kid, who is extremely close to his family. (I think someone posted an article here that said he was still responsible for watching his siblings after school and only is allowed to use a cell phone for an hour each night.) IMO, brining out Wade or Jordan isn't going to do it for him. It think fit at the school and with the coach is going to be the primary drivers here.
It is pretty clear to me that he thinks highly of Roy Williams. He doesn't say much about Buzz...take that for what it's worth.
Or Howard Menard
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on April 14, 2010, 09:16:42 AM
It is pretty clear to me that he thinks highly of Roy Williams. He doesn't say much about Buzz...take that for what it's worth.
It was an article written by a UNC Scout Site! What do you expect? People are reading way too much into this article...
Quote from: GOMU1104 on April 14, 2010, 09:21:45 AM
It was an article written by a UNC Scout Site! What do you expect? People are reading way too much into this article...
Well, that is why I said "FWIW." I should have been stronger...that we don't know *what* he thinks about Buzz.
But it is clear that he thinks highly of Roy Williams.
Quote from: brewcity77 on April 14, 2010, 09:00:46 AM
So you're saying that if Tokoto remembers 2003, we shouldn't try to use Wade to recruit him? I'm not saying Wade would, but right now he is the most marketable NBA player with a college background. If he would lend an assist to Buzz (no reason he would, but if...) then it would be lunacy not to use it. What current NBA star would be a bigger drawing piece? Lebron? Kobe? Neither played college ball. Tim Howard? Vince Carter? Maybe 7-8 years ago. Carmelo Anthony? That's probably next best, but who gets more ads, D-Wade or Melo? It's not even close.
Again, no idea if Buzz could bring him into the picture, and I fully realize that UNC has more ammo from the past 20 years than we do, but let's get realistic. Roy Williams will use those opportunities. If Tokoto is on campus at UNC, you can pretty much bet that he will find a way to have a few Tarheel greats saunter through the gym. If we have the chance to do the same thing with the largest profile college player currently in the Association, it'd simply be stupid not to.
I was not commenting on the use of Wade relationship. I was commenting on that fact that someone was saying the MU & UW had final four appearances to sell to recruits. I was pointing out that recruits, because of their age, probably do not remmber them and the fact if you are recruiting against North Carolina, pointing out a trip to the final four pales in comparison to two national championships for Williams at North Carolina. Now if you are recruiting against UWM, you can brag about it.
Clearly we haven't been able to recruit on even ground with a school like UNC since Al retired in 1977. But we are the hometown team, would allow his friends and family to watch him regularly, and could potentially parade out a bigger current NBA star than anyone UNC has. I'm not saying that puts us on level ground with the Tarheels, but I do believe those factors are significant enough that we wouldn't be dismissed out of hand (as a school like UWM likely would be).
In recent years, look at where some of the top ten recruits went. Derrick Favors to Georgia Tech, Lance Stephenson to Cincinnati, Renardo Sidney to Mississippi State, Demar DeRozan to USC, Michael Beasley to Kansas State, the list goes on. I'm not saying we'll get Tokoto, but I don't think any of those programs there are significantly bigger than we are (especially as we spend the second most only to Duke in D1 on basketball) so I'd say we should use what we can to keep ourselves in the running.
Quote from: brewcity77 on April 14, 2010, 11:28:45 AM
Clearly we haven't been able to recruit on even ground with a school like UNC since Al retired in 1977. But we are the hometown team, would allow his friends and family to watch him regularly, and could potentially parade out a bigger current NBA star than anyone UNC has. I'm not saying that puts us on level ground with the Tarheels, but I do believe those factors are significant enough that we wouldn't be dismissed out of hand (as a school like UWM likely would be).
In recent years, look at where some of the top ten recruits went. Derrick Favors to Georgia Tech, Lance Stephenson to Cincinnati, Renardo Sidney to Mississippi State, Demar DeRozan to USC, Michael Beasley to Kansas State, the list goes on. I'm not saying we'll get Tokoto, but I don't think any of those programs there are significantly bigger than we are (especially as we spend the second most only to Duke in D1 on basketball) so I'd say we should use what we can to keep ourselves in the running.
I agree. No, weare not Carolina. But we are the hometown team, and that should mean something.
Quote from: brewcity77 on April 14, 2010, 11:28:45 AM
Clearly we haven't been able to recruit on even ground with a school like UNC since Al retired in 1977. But we are the hometown team, would allow his friends and family to watch him regularly, and could potentially parade out a bigger current NBA star than anyone UNC has. I'm not saying that puts us on level ground with the Tarheels, but I do believe those factors are significant enough that we wouldn't be dismissed out of hand (as a school like UWM likely would be).
In recent years, look at where some of the top ten recruits went. Derrick Favors to Georgia Tech, Lance Stephenson to Cincinnati, Renardo Sidney to Mississippi State, Demar DeRozan to USC, Michael Beasley to Kansas State, the list goes on. I'm not saying we'll get Tokoto, but I don't think any of those programs there are significantly bigger than we are (especially as we spend the second most only to Duke in D1 on basketball) so I'd say we should use what we can to keep ourselves in the running.
Lance Stephenson is probably not a good example. Cincinnati was one of the few BCS schools that would even consider him. Everyone knew he was going to be a one and done, he was thought to have a selfish attitude, and his dad was supposed to be Tim Maymon x 2.