http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/high_school/pennsylvania/90128697.html
AA is the second lowest division in PA high school hoops.
I would put money that he doesn't sign. I can see a mystery recruit taking his spot.
Quote from: ErickJD08 on April 08, 2010, 03:14:23 PM
I would put money that he doesn't sign. I can see a mystery recruit taking his spot.
Any particular reason why you see that?
Buzz is still recruiting and for a team loaded with wings, he is one that hasn't signed yet that would be the easiest to part ways with.
I have no clue. I think our current roster has lots of potiental and I don't think Buzz will push Otule or Ybao off the team.
one way or another we will know in a week or so... well, maybe a month or so.
Quote from: ErickJD08 on April 08, 2010, 03:20:57 PM
Buzz is still recruiting and for a team loaded with wings, he is one that hasn't signed yet that would be the easiest to part ways with.
I have no clue. I think our current roster has lots of potiental and I don't think Buzz will push Otule or Ybao off the team.
Fair enough. I was just wondering.
I'm normally not one to point out spelling and grammar errors, but "Ybao" made me chuckle.
So, is Newbill the best of the second worst?
Quote from: ErickJD08 on April 08, 2010, 03:20:57 PM
Buzz is still recruiting and for a team loaded with wings, he is one that hasn't signed yet that would be the easiest to part ways with.
I have no clue. I think our current roster has lots of potiental and I don't think Buzz will push Otule or Ybao off the team.
I really doubt this is the case, as I can's see Buzz stringing Newbill along this long - meaning if he didn't want Newbill, that he would have told DJ - and in turn DJ would have announced he was re-opening his recruitment. I don't see Buzz doing a 180 on the kid, in a 3-month period of time, when the kid has played very well and led his team to state championship Final. Also, Buzz and Newbill both knew at the time they offered/accepted what the composition of the team was from a postion/roster perspective - so the fact the team is loaded with wings, isn't anything new or different from the time he was offered and accepted.
Awesome news... congrats DJ!!
"Devonte' "D.J." Newbill, who fueled Strawberry Mansion's run to its second state final in three seasons, was named Class AA player of the year. Newbill, a Marquette oral commitment, scored 15 points in Mansion's 49-47 loss to South Fayette in the title game."
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on April 08, 2010, 03:28:14 PM
Fair enough. I was just wondering.
I'm normally not one to point out spelling and grammar errors, but "Ybao" made me chuckle.
Thanks for not jumping down my throat. I do believe the whole "where there is smoke, there is fire" and I think we are going to get someone so someone has to get bumped.
How about sticking DJ or Smith ina prep school for a year. Let them continue to grow as players and then come in in 2011 as Freshman. St. Johns academy maybe? that's waht Al used to do.
Newbill looks like a diamond that is coming out of the rough and being polished. His outside shooting may be greatly needed with the graduation of Lazar, Mo and Coobey.
Quote from: Canadian Dimes on April 08, 2010, 03:41:41 PM
How about sticking DJ or Smith ina prep school for a year. Let them continue to grow as players and then come in in 2011 as Freshman. St. Johns academy maybe? that's waht Al used to do.
Yuck, an extra year of prep school and studying for no purpose other than for basketball. :P
Quote from: NCMUFan on April 08, 2010, 03:41:58 PM
Newbill looks like a diamond that is coming out of the rough and being polished. His outside shooting may be greatly needed with the graduation of Lazar, Mo and Coobey.
We depended on outside shooting because of those players. I can see this team being top 20 FT attempting teams in the country next year with all the slashers. We don't need more 3 point shooters either. DJO, Buycks, Fulce, and Butler shoot the three. (and can't Jones and Blue shoot too?) I love that all those three point shooters can drive too. I am pumped for next season.
Just because they shoot the 3 doesn't mean they are 3 point shooters. I for one would like to see newbill suit up for Marquette. The kid can play considering he was named the player of the year in his class for the state. He's not neat as much of a stretch recruit as mbao, roseboro, or anyone of that level were/are.
I would love the kid on the team too, but if we have a shot at a quality big man, someone has to be dropped. Nothing against the kid, but Newbill is first on my list because I like all the kids on the roster and he hasn't signed yet.
I dont want to go to overboard and Buzz has a much better handle on this stuff than anything I could imagine to bring but after seeing Newbill play a couple of times and Jones a couple of times it seems to me they play about the same position and Jones is bigger, more athletic, ans supremely more skilled and talented. Not saying Newbill could not turn out to be a great great player maybe even better than Jones. But from waht little I have seen how much time at the 2 or 3 would he really get next year witht he likes of Blue, Jones, DJO and Buyscks ahead of him? Maybe a year preppeing and coming in ayear behind would be great for him? justa thought
Anyone know how many classes there are in PA high school basketball?
There's four classes in PA.
Jeez...
What a nice thread. Newbill wins state player of the year!!! Too bad we don't think he's good enough to play here. :P
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on April 08, 2010, 06:01:52 PM
Jeez...
What a nice thread. Newbill wins state player of the year!!! Too bad we don't think he's good enough to play here. :P
+1
Sometimes this board makes me really question what type of Marquette fan some people here are. Always wanting different players, always wanting certain players to be gone. MU gets a top player out of the Philly basketball hotbed and all the negative nancys come out of the woodwork.
Some of you need to lighten up.
Quote from: Badgerhater on April 08, 2010, 07:00:29 PM
+1
Sometimes this board makes me really question what type of Marquette fan some people here are. Always wanting different players, always wanting certain players to be gone. MU gets a top player out of the Philly basketball hotbed and all the negative nancys come out of the woodwork.
Some of you need to lighten up.
Alot of the conversation on this board has been sparked by Buzz still recruiting for 2010. As it stands, if another player comes in, someone will have to be left out. Ultimately, it's Buzz's decision (and I trust it). And it's really Buzz who wants different players. But for conversation sake, if I had to pick a player to not get a schollie, it would be Newbill because for reasons stated above. Nothing against the kid. If he signs, I'll be a fan.
Quote from: ErickJD08 on April 08, 2010, 07:17:15 PM
Alot of the conversation on this board has been sparked by Buzz still recruiting for 2010. As it stands, if another player comes in, someone will have to be left out. Ultimately, it's Buzz's decision (and I trust it). And it's really Buzz who wants different players. But for conversation sake, if I had to pick a player to not get a schollie, it would be Newbill because for reasons stated above. Nothing against the kid. If he signs, I'll be a fan.
You're creating a lot of wild assumptions and baseless speculation here, starting with your first post (i.e. you would put money on Newbill leaving).
Second, that Buzz
wants different players. You know this how, exactly? Because some web sites say he's still recruiting? Supposing that's true, how do you know that doesn't mean he's aware of a transfer? Academic issue? Injury? Maybe he's just making sure he's covering his tail in case any of those things occur. All of those seem as reasonable - actually, more reasonable - conclusions.
And yet you're stating here as fact that Buzz does not want one of the players he's recruited.
Nice.
Speculation based on known facts is one thing. Feckless, flimsy speculation in which one states absolute guesses as fact is another. You're guilty of the latter. You're certainly entitled to post it here, so long as the mods allow it, but you shouldn't be offended when someone calls you out on it.
If I'm DJ Newbill - or any player - seeing this site, I'm not feeling real good about my supposed fans right now. Or at least some of those in this thread.
Worst of all, what you're really saying here is that Buzz is the kind of coach who would offer a kid a scholarship, accept a verbal commitment, then pull the rug out from under him in the late signing period, leaving the kid hanging out to dry with few if any other decent options for his freshman year. It's not like West Virginia and the other schools recruiting Newbill are holding a spot open just in case Marquette bails on him.
I'd like to think Buzz isn't that guy. I sure hope he isn't.
Anyhow, congrats to DJ on winning a pretty prestigious honor.
Quote from: Pakuni on April 08, 2010, 08:30:43 PM
You're creating a lot of wild assumptions and baseless speculation here, starting with your first post (i.e. you would put money on Newbill leaving).
Second, that Buzz wants different players. You know this how, exactly? Because some web sites say he's still recruiting? Supposing that's true, how do you know that doesn't mean he's aware of a transfer? Academic issue? Injury? Maybe he's just making sure he's covering his tail in case any of those things occur. All of those seem as reasonable - actually, more reasonable - conclusions.
And yet you're stating here as fact that Buzz does not want one of the players he's recruited.
Nice.
Speculation based on known facts is one thing. Feckless, flimsy speculation in which one states absolute guesses as fact is another. You're guilty of the latter. You're certainly entitled to post it here, so long as the mods allow it, but you shouldn't be offended when someone calls you out on it.
If I'm DJ Newbill - or any player - seeing this site, I'm not feeling real good about my supposed fans right now. Or at least some of those in this thread.
Worst of all, what you're really saying here is that Buzz is the kind of coach who would offer a kid a scholarship, accept a verbal commitment, then pull the rug out from under him in the late signing period, leaving the kid hanging out to dry with few if any other decent options for his freshman year. It's not like West Virginia and the other schools recruiting Newbill are holding a spot open just in case Marquette bails on him.
I'd like to think Buzz isn't that guy. I sure hope he isn't.
Anyhow, congrats to DJ on winning a pretty prestigious honor.
+1 - Perfectly said. ErikJD08 usually seems to make good/reasonable posts, but this one wasn't one of them. Everything Pakuni has said should be all Scoopers M.O. moving forward - let's not wildly speculate on which player could possibly be transferring, not academically qualify, potentially have their scholarship offer pulled from them, etc. I agree with Pakuni that this type of speculation would be pretty insulting to read if I were DJ Newbill or another recruit for that matter.
When bma725 talks....people listen.
Quote from: muhoops1 on April 08, 2010, 09:07:47 PM
When bma725 talks....people listen.
I agree but....what did he say?
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on April 08, 2010, 06:01:52 PM
Jeez...
What a nice thread. Newbill wins state player of the year!!! Too bad we don't think he's good enough to play here. :P
What do you mean "we" Kimosabe?
I'm real excited to see that Marquette's got a guy who gets player of the year for his class in PA, and when I read the thread, its all about how we're gonna dump him. Unbelievable.
Maybe not the first year, but Newbill will be a very good player for MU. There is no way Buzz is going to dump him. If he did that after the Roseboro incident, he would never get another recruit from Pennsylvania. Besides that he is qualified.
Quote from: bilsu on April 08, 2010, 09:53:04 PM
Maybe not the first year, but Newbill will be a very good player for MU. There is no way Buzz is going to dump him. If he did that after the Roseboro incident, he would never get another recruit from Pennsylvania. Besides that he is qualified.
+1
QuoteI agree but....what did he say?
Nothing. Therefore, it is all speculation. bma725 and Fox News are my only sources of information
I thinks there is no problem in discussing possible recruits for this year but lets not speculate on who's leaving to make room for said recruit. Our recruiting has gotten better in the last couple of years and I feel that some fans are getting more of a chip on their shoulder and getting the opinion that we can act like some other schools out there in dealing with recruits and wild speculation about many unknowns.
I love speculating about who is going to join our team, but it feels wrong to speculate about who you think is leaving because deep down it shows that you want them to leave, IMO.
I agree .buzz has done a great job with his "gets" and they will be terrific additions to the squad. If he is still recruiting he knows what he is doing and it will be above board.
Quote from: damuts222 on April 09, 2010, 11:12:30 AM
I thinks there is no problem in discussing possible recruits for this year but lets not speculate on who's leaving to make room for said recruit. Our recruiting has gotten better in the last couple of years and I feel that some fans are getting more of a chip on their shoulder and getting the opinion that we can act like some other schools out there in dealing with recruits and wild speculation about many unknowns.
I love speculating about who is going to join our team, but it feels wrong to speculate about who you think is leaving because deep down it shows that you want them to leave, IMO.
I think its a legit question though. If Buzz is still recruiting, someone is going to be on the outside looking in (or else where). We all know so little about what kids are thinking or feeling. Maybe someone wants to leave. Who knows. But as fans, we can talk about who we would squeeze out in our own little hypothetical worlds. Essentially, the question is "Who do you think will benefit the team the least out of our current roster or commits?" Its just a message board. Nothing to get worked up over.
Im originally from Philly and one of my good friends is the son of one of the more popular Philadelphia sports writers, Rich Hoffman.He follows all the recruiting stuff really closely and I trust his opinion more than anyone so asked him about Newbill and this is what he said:
"i saw him play once live last year and on tv this year.. hes nice i do know that he was the best player in the public league and maybe the best player in the city... hes like a 6'4 guard who can score anyway he wants... i like his game too he doesnt force anything hes gonna be a good player for marquette hes their kind of player hell get better as he goes along... he didnt really play alot before his junior year is why he didn't get recruited but i think hes really good this site should help
http://www.recruitrecon.com/index.php?option=com_recruit&task=showplayerprofile&id=238"
I think we can all put the Newbill won't ever play for Marquette BS to bed. He will be here in July taking courses.
http://www.philly.com/dailynews/sports/20100412_Near-perfect_DJ_finishing_on_high_note.html
Florida State, West Virginia, and Nebraska all offered him, I think it's safe to say that he's going to be a quality player. My guess is M'Bao paying his own way, taking a redshirt, or transferring.
Anybody know what Buzz'z recruiting strategy actually is? Is he going to be mixing juco's with true freshmen all along the way? While it is nice to have jucos (kids that have the experience and are physically mature enough to play in the BE), I would much prefer to watch kids develop over the course of four years. I want to see how good Buzz's recruits are as true freshmen, how well he develops them over 3-4 years and what the team accomplishes.
Here in nyc (and working for some old-school BE alums), i constantly get "Hey, its nice that coach of yours brings in jucos and makes the team competitive. Since you cant compete with us [Pitt, Syracuse, UConn, Nova] for the top true freshmen, it's good that your coach is using other recruiting avenues that are less competitive." At this point in the conversation, I imagine myself giving the guy a black eye. But so far....I guess it really is true.
Quote from: goodgreatgrand on April 12, 2010, 11:01:21 AM
Anybody know what Buzz'z recruiting strategy actually is? Is he going to be mixing juco's with true freshmen all along the way? While it is nice to have jucos (kids that have the experience and are physically mature enough to play in the BE), I would much prefer to watch kids develop over the course of four years. I want to see how good Buzz's recruits are as true freshmen, how well he develops them over 3-4 years and what the team accomplishes.
Here in nyc (and working for some old-school BE alums), i constantly get "Hey, its nice that coach of yours brings in jucos and makes the team competitive. Since you cant compete with us [Pitt, Syracuse, UConn, Nova] for the top true freshmen, it's good that your coach is using other recruiting avenues that are less competitive." At this point in the conversation, I imagine myself giving the guy a black eye. But so far....I guess it really is true.
Buzz's contacts happen to be from JUCO's and the deep south. It will take a while (or a great assistant hire) for him to really open up his avenues on the East Coast.
Right now your buddies are right. The thing is that all JUCO kids are given a bad rep for whatever reason. The guys that Buzz has been recruiting have been well spoken and have been representing the university well. With young men like that in our program I don't particularly care where they come from (personally).
Recruiting JUCO players was to balance the scholarships. Nothing more.
That said, MU would be stupid to not grab a JUCO AA here and there.
If Fulce, Butler, DJO, Buycks, and Crowder are our "consolation prizes" for not being able to recruit high school players I think we'll be ok.
Buzz will continue to recruit the JUCO ranks. I wouldn't be surprised if we get 1 per year. It is what he knows...he has alot of contacts. During one of Crowder's games that was streamed, Buzz was in the stands watching. The announcers brought him over and interviewed him during the entire halftime break. He said something to the effect of:
"In the Midwest, they dont necessarily understand the JUCO system, it is different up there than it is down in the south...There is alot of talent in the Junior Colleges and if you ignore it you are going to miss out on good players every year..."
Obviously you have to land them, but I bet Buzz pursues the top JUCOs every year.
There's not a team in the country that wouldn't find room for DJO to get minutes. He may not start everywhere, but a guy with his range, slashing ability, and defense could play anywhere. JuCo or not, he's a high-level talent. And since joining the Big East, we're 54-32 in league play, a 0.628 winning percentage. No shame in that whatsoever.
Butler, Buycks, and Fulce have proven that this route works. Crowder will likely continue to do the same.
Quote from: goodgreatgrand on April 12, 2010, 11:01:21 AM
Anybody know what Buzz'z recruiting strategy actually is? Is he going to be mixing juco's with true freshmen all along the way? While it is nice to have jucos (kids that have the experience and are physically mature enough to play in the BE), I would much prefer to watch kids develop over the course of four years. I want to see how good Buzz's recruits are as true freshmen, how well he develops them over 3-4 years and what the team accomplishes.
Here in nyc (and working for some old-school BE alums), i constantly get "Hey, its nice that coach of yours brings in jucos and makes the team competitive. Since you cant compete with us [Pitt, Syracuse, UConn, Nova] for the top true freshmen, it's good that your coach is using other recruiting avenues that are less competitive." At this point in the conversation, I imagine myself giving the guy a black eye. But so far....I guess it really is true.
In two freshman classes Buzz has signed 5 consensus top 100 recruits (Cadougan, Maymon, E Williams, Blue and Jones) and 1 just out of the top 100 (Smith). Maybe your NYC pals missed that. Our upperclassmen (Fulce, Butler, Buycks, DJO and Crowder) are jucos who fill the empty cupboard Buzz inherited. His recruiting strategy is to fill the roster with high D1 talent - in 2 years he's done a remarkable job.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on April 12, 2010, 11:42:42 AM
In two freshman classes Buzz has signed 5 consensus top 100 recruits (Cadougan, Maymon, E Williams, Blue and Jones) and 1 just out of the top 100 (Smith). Maybe your NYC pals missed that. Our upperclassmen (Fulce, Butler, Buycks, DJO and Crowder) are jucos who fill the empty cupboard Buzz inherited. His recruiting strategy is to fill the roster with high D1 talent - in 2 years he's done a remarkable job.
As stated in my post, my co-workers are Pitt, Syracuse, Nova and UConn alums. Buzz may get the award for handing out the most scholarships, but do you think UConn and Syracuse fans get overly excited about a top 100 recruit? Top 10, yes. Top 20 also works. It seems like if they land a 75-100 ranked recruit, it's because they missed out on a top 20.
Quote from: goodgreatgrand on April 12, 2010, 11:52:34 AM
As stated in my post, my co-workers are Pitt, Syracuse, Nova and UConn alums. Buzz may get the award for handing out the most scholarships, but do you think UConn and Syracuse fans get overly excited about a top 100 recruit? Top 10, yes. Top 20 also works. It seems like if they land a 75-100 ranked recruit, it's because they missed out on a top 20.
The only school who has consistently outperformed MU on the court in the Big East is Syracuse - tough to argue that. However, you can tell your UCONN, PITT, and Nova fans that wherever our recruits come from - they compete and have won at least 50% of games played head to head. While the rankings for recruits are nice, it is the results on the court that matter - and in this regard MU has nothing to be ashamed of. And, as Buzz gets more and more established, and continues to show he can coach, and his players rave about him as a person and a coach - his job as a recruiter will only get easier.
Quote from: goodgreatgrand on April 12, 2010, 11:52:34 AM
As stated in my post, my co-workers are Pitt, Syracuse, Nova and UConn alums. Buzz may get the award for handing out the most scholarships, but do you think UConn and Syracuse fans get overly excited about a top 100 recruit? Top 10, yes. Top 20 also works. It seems like if they land a 75-100 ranked recruit, it's because they missed out on a top 20.
"I want Buzz to get better recruits so I can brag to my co-workers."
As with the NFL draft, so many people get wrapped up in the recruiting as if it's the end-game. No, the end-game is winning on the court. Clearly recruiting helps you with that, but I don't care if Buzz wins with four dwarfs and a guy on a peg-leg, as long as he wins. You can stack MU's record against many BE teams since MU joined the conference and they are up there in the top part of the conference.
Quote from: Ners on April 12, 2010, 12:05:09 PM
The only school who has consistently outperformed MU on the court in the Big East is Syracuse - tough to argue that. can coach, and his players rave about him as a person and a coach - his job as a recruiter will only get easier.
Actually the school that has is Pitt. They've made the NCAAs like 9 straight years and had double digit wins in each of those years in the Big East.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on April 12, 2010, 07:46:11 PM
Actually the school that has is Pitt. They've made the NCAAs like 9 straight years and had double digit wins in each of those years in the Big East.
I think that Ners was talking about head to head meetings with 'Cuse, rather than overall results. You are right on about the overall records, though.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on April 12, 2010, 12:11:45 PM
"I want Buzz to get better recruits so I can brag to my co-workers."
As with the NFL draft, so many people get wrapped up in the recruiting as if it's the end-game. No, the end-game is winning on the court. Clearly recruiting helps you with that, but I don't care if Buzz wins with four dwarfs and a guy on a peg-leg, as long as he wins. You can stack MU's record against many BE teams since MU joined the conference and they are up there in the top part of the conference.
goodgreatgrand,
Just wait until the season rolls around. Assuming we beat your co-workers alma maters, its gotta be fun to say; "Hey, I know we can't recruit like you guys. Luckily, it doesn't seem to matter when we play." Then smirk.