The NBA revised its high school drafting in 2005, to require a draftee be over 19 at time of draft, or if out of high school , one year of college is required.
W/ UK's one and dones ( and Calipari doing such most years), is this best for NBA/NCAA?
Bobby Knight, while still at Tx Tech spoke to press of K durant at UT, not being a student athlete-- he took a summer course, then light load in fall-- so he had fresh 1st semester credit minimum (12 cr hrs?)... then during 2nd semester, he blew off all classes, played out his UT fr year, and declared for NBA before end of year ( Does this also mean he was "on graduation track" for NCAA scoring grad rates?)
Why not at least require 2 years college before draft eligibility, like NFL does, in next NBA barg agr.
--the recruits actually are student athletes for a while,
--a little more matured,
--the one and done Caliparis would have to actually have teams of college players, not just 5 serving their pretend fresh year, before NBA calls them up to the majors; and ,
teams with real grad rates, like MU, compete w all collegiate teams, not some like UK who are NBA D leaguers.
There are many sides to this, and I would be interested in the thoughts here, incl whether such a move would hurt/help MU
All for it. After all, these are COLLEGIATE players and they should be held to not only athletic standards but ACADEMIC standards also. If they can't deal with that, go the Brandon Jennings route.
Ooh, I thought this was a thread about James Dickey and the Houston job. nm ::)
I would change the rule like this -
If you want to go straight from high school to the pros, then go ahead.
If you want to go to college, then you must stay two years, actually go to class, etc.
Remember it's the NBA that is creating this one-and-done situation
Quote from: ChuckyChip on April 07, 2010, 09:24:45 PM
I would change the rule like this -
If you want to go straight from high school to the pros, then go ahead.
If you want to go to college, then you must stay two years, actually go to class, etc.
Remember it's the NBA that is creating this one-and-done situation
+ 1, the way it should be...wish it could be 3 years but that is asking too much
This is an NBA issue, nothing the NCAA can do about it.
Further, this is something that must be collectively bargained between the Owners and the NBPA. Some in the PA are indifferent and wouldn't necessarily oppose a 2 year (or more) requirement...but the NBPA isnt just going to give David Stern what he wants, without getting something in return in Collective Bargaining.
Quote from: GOMU1104 on April 07, 2010, 10:35:07 PM
This is an NBA issue, nothing the NCAA can do about it.
Further, this is something that must be collectively bargained between the Owners and the NBPA. Some in the PA are indifferent and wouldn't necessarily oppose a 2 year (or more) requirement...but the NBPA isnt just going to give David Stern what he wants, without getting something in return in Collective Bargaining.
Yes its NBA issue-- but players unions are notorious for veteran representation, not worrying of whether as yet non union rookies join them after 1 or 2 years of college ie, NBPA doesnt consider this much of a "give" or even issue for their members. The only "dealing" on the point would be amounts for rookie salary and no. of years-- and if NBA gets a more seasoned ready to play rookie, they'll give on that, esp as rookie scale is best deal on $ in NBA (compare some young stars to vet salaries-- a young talent locked up is far more attr than vet pay, on avg.)
Quote from: houwarrior on April 08, 2010, 12:07:16 AM
Yes its NBA issue-- but players unions are notorious for veteran representation, not worrying of whether as yet non union rookies join them after 1 or 2 years of college ie, NBPA doesnt consider this much of a "give" or even issue for their members. The only "dealing" on the point would be amounts for rookie salary and no. of years-- and if NBA gets a more seasoned ready to play rookie, they'll give on that, esp as rookie scale is best deal on $ in NBA (compare some young stars to vet salaries-- a young talent locked up is far more attr than vet pay, on avg.)
Re-read my post. I said:
Quote from: GOMU1104 on April 07, 2010, 10:35:07 PM
Some in the PA are indifferent and wouldn't necessarily oppose a 2 year (or more) requirement...but the NBPA isnt just going to give David Stern what he wants, without getting something in return in Collective Bargaining.
You are missing the point...Again, this isnt necessarily about the rule itself, it is about the nature of collective bargaining. David Stern/The Owners want this age limit extended, it has to be collectively bargained...therefore the NBPA has to agree to it. They arent going to agree to it without getting some concessions from the Owners in return. You dont just give the other side what they want, without getting something in return. The NBPA has said as much...
Just send them all to the D-League right away. We're talking about idiots who take 12 credits of joke classes for one semester then don't go to class or make any effort to be a student the next and drop out as soon as the season is over. Do we really have to keep these losers around two or three years?
Quote from: chapman on April 08, 2010, 07:42:19 AM
Just send them all to the D-League right away. We're talking about idiots who take 12 credits of joke classes for one semester then don't go to class or make any effort to be a student the next and drop out as soon as the season is over. Do we really have to keep these losers around two or three years?
Not unless they decide to go to the pros from HS as ChuckyChip suggested. It's not a bad idea.
Quote from: ChuckyChip on April 07, 2010, 09:24:45 PM
I would change the rule like this -
If you want to go straight from high school to the pros, then go ahead.
If you want to go to college, then you must stay two years, actually go to class, etc.
Remember it's the NBA that is creating this one-and-done situation
With this set-up, every marginal one-and-done player would go straight to the draft. That would hurt college basketball and the NBA and the players who get bunk advice from "advisors" telling them to go pro as opposed to waiting 2 years. It's a lose-lose-lose proposition.
Actually, I like to see the NCAA change the rules when signing a LOI. If a kid comitts, he comitts for 4 years. If he quits to go to the NBA early he has to pay back all the tuition and room and board. This way schollies are actually being given to guys that can play, but want an education too.
I'm pretty sure Calhoun and Boeheim are all about getting rid of the NBA age limit. If the kids want to try to make the NBA, they should have the right to; they shouldn't be "forced" to play one year of college basketball when they really don't even want to.
Btw, does it really matter? Are people bringing this up because they are sour over the recruiting successes of schools like UK, UNC, etc? It's not like we bring in one-and-dones.... We dont bring in 2-and-dones....expect JUCO's that lose eligibility.
Why do you go to college? To prepare yourself for a career. If kids have a chance to have a successful career and earn a lot of money doing something they love at the age of 18 or 19 why they hell force them to stay in school.
Dumb idea to FORCE kids to stay at school for at least two year, straight dumb and selfish.
I would like to see the rule change to be more like baseball. Let the kids go to the NBA if they want, but if they go to college, they have to stay 3 years. The dangerous part about this is that every highschool bball player who has a chance of getting drafted will go to the NBA. It has a chance to really hurt college basketball.
I don't see how missing out on the Lebrons, Kobes or Kevins will ever hurt the college game. There is plenty of talent which stays 3+ years. But I wholeheartedly agree the NBA should deny players entry for 3 years once they "declare" themselves college players. A loophole I'm comfortable with is a player leaving for Europe, etc. after however long the player decides is appropriate. Maybe college isn't for the person. Let them earn. That decision, however, shouldn't perpetuate the mockery of the NCAA as being merely a farm system for the pros.
Let's not forget in this that for every "one and done" or "two and done" that person has used one to two years of scholarships that could have gone to a kid who could have used that education and got a degree. I am all for kids being able to go straight to the NBA. Baseball works it out with the minor leagues. The NBA has the "D" League and the kids can play overseas if they want $$$ in the meantime.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on April 08, 2010, 08:47:39 AM
Actually, I like to see the NCAA change the rules when signing a LOI. If a kid comitts, he comitts for 4 years. If he quits to go to the NBA early he has to pay back all the tuition and room and board. This way schollies are actually being given to guys that can play, but want an education too.
How quaint.
There is no doubt that the college game is being hurt by the one-and-dones. But I think it's silly to make someone stay in school when they have the talent to earn millions. Thankfully, outside of Carmello Anthony and Syracuse, teams that rely on one-and-dones have largely been a failure.
I was originally for having an age limit, but am no longer for it because of the one and dones. They should let the kids go pro and allow those who truly do not want to go to college play in the D-league.
What do you think?
NBA coach Van Gundy notes one and done is bad for college game, a sham in the NBA, and closes with opinion that on college enrollment players should be required to stay 2 years:
Van Gundy was on a roll, decrying the NCAA as "the worst organization going," and the NBA/NCAA's one-and-done rule as "a sham," telling the press that he doesn't "understand how we got away with [the one-and-done] rule as a league."
I'm not a fan of the age limit. I understand the goal — to make the NBA a more mature league and (hopefully) increase the quality of the product. But the one-and-done rule is hurting the college game, and it isn't doing much for the NBA. High school players have a high rate of success in the NBA, so those that get drafted should be allowed to play straight out of high school. If a player doesn't get drafted, then he should be allowed to attend college. Once he enrolls, he should have to play for a minimum of two years before making himself eligible for the draft again. Case closed.
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If the NBA raises the age limit much higher the NCAA runs the risk of having the glut of ultra-talented high school players leave to play in Europe immediately after HS to make money.
I don't like the one and done rule, but unless you require all NBA players to have at least 2 years education at an american university I don't see a way to avoid losing a lot of talent to Europe.
Non-traditional approach...Allow "student-athletes" (or even regular students) to major in Professional Sports. Let them focus on playing the sport that they're hoping will be their eventual profession. Also enroll them in classes that teach budgeting, marketing, PR, etc, and make them pass these courses. Even make them take classes such as Basketball 101 and coaching strategies, for example, to make them learn the game. Perhaps even take it a step further and make them stay in school until they earn what's basically an Associate's Degree (3-4 semesters).
Yes, I know that's not really feasible for a number of reasons (and could potentially be detrimental to a player if the coach sees he enrolled as a Business or Engineering major instead of a Football major) but why continue to masquerade the John Walls and Carmelo Anthonys as communications majors when they're clearly using college to prepare themselves for a career in a very different field?
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on April 08, 2010, 03:03:38 PM
Non-traditional approach...Allow "student-athletes" (or even regular students) to major in Professional Sports. Let them focus on playing the sport that they're hoping will be their eventual profession. Also enroll them in classes that teach budgeting, marketing, PR, etc, and make them pass these courses. Even make them take classes such as Basketball 101 and coaching strategies, for example, to make them learn the game. Perhaps even take it a step further and make them stay in school until they earn what's basically an Associate's Degree (3-4 semesters).
Yes, I know that's not really feasible for a number of reasons (and could potentially be detrimental to a player if the coach sees he enrolled as a Business or Engineering major instead of a Football major) but why continue to masquerade the John Walls and Carmelo Anthonys as communications majors when they're clearly using college to prepare themselves for a career in a very different field?
Interesting..
Al McGuire, already back in J Chones day (who he told go to NBA for the$--first year of NBA hardship rule), often argued for a salary to be paid athletes. Why should NCAA have billion dollar TV contract, and schools profit millions on key programs, while the athlete must devote 20-30 hrs/week in toil? A work study student earns toward his costs. One may say scholly is enough pay, but with Europe $ as alternative to college already, , AL had a good point.
Quote from: houwarrior on April 08, 2010, 05:28:41 PM
Interesting..
Al McGuire, already back in J Chones day (who he told go to NBA for the$--first year of NBA hardship rule), often argued for a salary to be paid athletes. Why should NCAA have billion dollar TV contract, and schools profit millions on key programs, while the athlete must devote 20-30 hrs/week in toil? A work study student earns toward his costs. One may say scholly is enough pay, but with Europe $ as alternative to college already, , AL had a good point.
They get a free education. If that's not good enough, go to Europe.
College?! College?! We talkin about college man.... College, not the association. How am i supposed to make myself better by going to college?
It's hilarious that people blame kids registering for 3 classes and not going to them on the NBA. Why doesn't the NCAA require a full coarse load and a 85% attendance rate in those classes or you don't play in march? Get mid 2nd semester reports from their teachers. And then they'd at least have to pretend to be students.
I'm also ok with expanding the rule to 2 years. If a handful of kids think they'll enjoy europe more or really needs the $ than they can go. This will improve the international appeal of basketball, level of play of those kids and help the NBA.