I'm in high school and an avid Marquette fan. I go to high school in southeastern Wisconsin. Everyday someone thinks there funny and says the Badgers are so much better and Marquette blows. It's pretty frustrating cause its mostly my basketball teammates pushing my buttons. Sometimes its just random people ripping MU. Whats with all the hate??
Jealousy...
Quote from: MUFan11 on April 07, 2010, 04:44:38 PM
I'm in high school and an avid Marquette fan. I go to high school in southeastern Wisconsin. Everyday someone thinks there funny and says the Badgers are so much better and Marquette blows. It's pretty frustrating cause its mostly my basketball teammates pushing my buttons. Sometimes its just random people ripping MU. Whats with all the hate??
I think it has so much to do with the fact that such a large majority of Wisconsin kids are brought up praying to the great god Bucky. Any other school in Wisconsin would automatically be viewed as a threat by these kids.
Two words: private school.
Well, at least that's most of it. I could go on for days about the rest, but I have to get back to work ;D
Don't underestimate the severe negative impact Tom Crean had on the state's high school basketball infrastructure. Crean seemed to go out of his way to alienate Marquette from WI basketball. Take a poll of HS coaches and AD's and there will be an overwhelming anti-Crean (and anti-MU by extension) sentiment. Let's hope Buzz Williams can repair the incredible damage done by Tom Crean.
Who knows how long this storied tradition has gone on?
However, I can relate an incident that propelled this to new heights sometime ago, way back in 1974, a picture as they say, is worth a thousand words.
February, 1974. Milwaukee Arena. Marquette coach Al McGuire leaps on top of the scorer's table and celebrates after Maurice Lucas hit a ridiculous last second jump shot to give the Warriors a one point victory over Wisconsin. In the stands almost directly opposite McGuire is Glenn Hughes, father of Kim and Kerry Hughes, Wisconsin's "Twin Towers of Power". Walking in the foreground is dejected Badger Coach, John Powless. Marquette went on to the NCAA tournament and finished second overall.
Click on the picture to see a larger view of it and notice the "finger salute" being provided to Al by Mr. Hughes.
MU has traditionally (and continues to) attract a unique bunch. Until you come here, you won't understand.
Oh, I almost forgot. The best basketball player in the state of Wisconsin this year, a Mr. Vander Blue, as a foolish sophomore, (sophomore is Greek for "wise fool") committed to play basketball for the University of Wisconsin. In a lucid moment, as a junior, he realized how constraining and downright unfun playing in the swing offense could be for a talented guard. Therefore, he reopened his recruitment. After careful consideration of all the variables, he decided that Marquette could offer him a far enhanced sporting and educational experience, and signed to play at Marquette during the fall signing period.
The consternation experienced by fans of Wisconsin basketball over this occurrence, rivaled that of a badger who is caught out in the rain for a week without shelter.
The call of MU is not universal. Trying to explain the MU appeal/experience to Badger fans is like trying to explain rock and roll to a deaf person or sex to a eunuch. Or like trying to explain why uptempo basketball is more fun to watch and play in than the swing. They either get it or they don't. Two entirely different worldviews. Welcome to MU, young man.
Wisconsin's fan base (a majority of the WI population) view themselves as a large, inclusive melting pot of diverse views, incomes, religions, ethnicities, etc., with members from all over the state who are born to root for the home team. Most see Marquette as a bunch of rich, spoiled, Catholic elitists who were born on third base. By sheer numbers and geography, it's easy to see why you're getting no love. Differences and perceptions aside, if you're from Wisconsin, you're lucky to have two great options for college. A lot of states don't have any.
A lot of states and provinces have many. BC has UBC, Simon Fraser, U Vic, and Northern Lights - Canada's Energy College! Do not underestimate Dawson Creek coeds!
One reason and one reason only: They know they can't get in!
Additionally, Wisconsin is very liberal left leaning stae home of Socialist mayors and much Communistic and Scoialistic leanings. they dont call UW-Madison the Peoples Republic of Madison for no reason. In contrast Mu has been a much more conservative Catholic demographic that flies in the face of anti- religious Socialists.
Additionally, Mu is private and self sustaining therefore evil in a socialistic state.
Lastly, you probably dont realize this nor do your ignorant young friends but Wisconsin for the last 50+ years was the laughing stock of the BIg Ten in Basketball. Think Indiana Basketball today and you have Wisconsin basketball for 50 years. Wisconsin and Northwestern played each other twice every year to determine last palce in the Big Ten. This went on for 50 years. Meanwhile Mu was producing NBA players and All-Americans and regularly particiapating in the NCAA and for a good stretch of that time was one of THE teams in collge basketball. Many of the older oflks grew to hate MU out of jealousy. Then starting about 10 years ago Wisconsin began to enjoy some success and even got extremely lucky one year and played a bunch of games in the 40's and got into the Final 4, lo and behold 2 year later Mu was there too. This only drove them more nuts. Funny thing is young Wisconsin fans think Wisky was always good in fact that have usually been terrible. Funny thing is listening to the older people you would think Wisconsin basketball started 10 years ago. Pure Jealousy
I grew up in Sheboygan and we played in the Fox River Valley, everyone was a badger fan true and Blue (not a pun). I played and was interested in all sports and enjoyed the atmosphere of MU a city school who played as an independent and teams from the East to West coast. All and I mean All of my friends were die hard Badgers and gave me crap. What was funny is we would hitch hike to Mecca games and they loved them. I never went to MU but to this day 50 years later I am in a minority on those who back MU. Love the underdog feeling the PR MU gets and the fact that all the UW fans say is look what Bo does with unranked recruits. Then I point out who had the highest ranked recruits over the last 10 years and they just sort of talk about football and I smile. I'm proud to be an MU fan and yes it is not always easy to be the outsider but stick to your guns, get the facts, and enjoy YOUR TEAM.
I blame this on Tom Crean for not getting out in the limo and going throughout the state of Wisconsin to reach out to the youngsters in our schools and get them excited about MU basketball. He should've been standing in the entrance ways of schools handing out MU t-shirts and Tom Crean bobblehead dolls to kids. Heck, I'm sure Chicos would've chauffeured him around on his own dollar.
Quote from: Canadian Dimes on April 07, 2010, 06:07:08 PM
Think Indiana Basketball today
Has something happened to Indiana Basketball? Why, I thought it was a coveted destination with superb facilities and the best young coach in all the land. It's Indiana, after all!
On a slightly related note, Marquette has a really good reputation at least on the east coast.
Quote from: DawsonCreekFillanderer on April 07, 2010, 05:11:18 PM
Don't underestimate the severe negative impact Tom Crean had on the state's high school basketball infrastructure. Crean seemed to go out of his way to alienate Marquette from WI basketball. Take a poll of HS coaches and AD's and there will be an overwhelming anti-Crean (and anti-MU by extension) sentiment. Let's hope Buzz Williams can repair the incredible damage done by Tom Crean.
You have a serious psychotic obsession with Crean.
QuoteYou have a serious psychotic obsession with Crean.
Just ignore his posts, its all he talks about. He was probably banned and is just trying to push peoples buttons aka Chicos
Quote from: MUFan11 on April 07, 2010, 04:44:38 PM
I'm in high school and an avid Marquette fan. I go to high school in southeastern Wisconsin. Everyday someone thinks there funny and says the Badgers are so much better and Marquette blows. It's pretty frustrating cause its mostly my basketball teammates pushing my buttons. Sometimes its just random people ripping MU. Whats with all the hate??
They are just mad that we stole Vander from them.
Wisconsin alums have a very warped view of how good their school is in athletics. After attending Marquette and experiencing it in basketball and then going to Iowa and experiencing it in football, I can tell you, the MU basketball fanbase is not alone in their view of Badger fans.
We respect their zeal. You have to tip your hats to the Badger fan base that they do indeed support their team with the best of them. Being passionate about your team is what makes sports fun. Unfortunately, in every fanbase there are people who take it to the next level and think that their team winning proves something about themselves (who are only fans) and if their team beats you it proves something about you being a loser. I would say Badger fans have an unhealthy amount of those types of fans, and we hear them get loud when they beat one of our teams. (but don't hear anything when they lose)
Who knows what produces this sense of cheering for your team as proving something about yourselves and the need to put others down when their teams lose. It is very annoying. Like it was stated in an above post, I don't know why people can't just be happy that a medium size state like WI has two major conference teams in it who compete in the tourney.
Then whenever I say that Marquette basketball is actually pretty good, far from the horrible team they describe to me they always resort to the game this year in which Bucky won by 9. Every single time it's ridiculous.
Quote from: MUFan11 on April 07, 2010, 08:06:43 PM
Then whenever I say that Marquette basketball is actually pretty good, far from the horrible team they describe to me they always resort to the game this year in which Bucky won by 9. Every single time it's ridiculous.
Well, you are in High School. Thinking back about all the stupid things that me and my friends used to say and do, so little of it had to do with rational thought.
Stick to your guns, know it and defend it, and never jump the fence.
You can always point to '07 and '08 - though they're leading the series 53-63.
http://wiki.muscoop.com/doku.php/men_s_basketball/uw-madison
Quote from: MUFan11 on April 07, 2010, 08:06:43 PM
Then whenever I say that Marquette basketball is actually pretty good, far from the horrible team they describe to me they always resort to the game this year in which Bucky won by 9. Every single time it's ridiculous.
I suspect you will have the upper hand in this argument in the years ahead. Buzz Williams is assembling major talent at MU, and this year MU was picked to finish 12th in the Big East..and for it to be a major rebuilding year..so we lost to UW by 9 at the Kohl Center - hardly a bad loss. Just ask your friends to compare the rankings of the last 2 recruiting classes between UW and MU - in other words, since Buzz Williams arrived. MU has been ranked between 10-20 the last 2 years nationally in recruiting classes - UW not even sniffing the Top 40. Talent eventually wins, so long as there is decent coaching, and Buzz Williams proved this year he is at very least a decent coach, and quite possibly a very, very good coach.
If you can walk to your own beat stick with Marquette. Marquette is well known and respected nationally. Many of Marquettes students come from out of state. You never have to play second fiddle if you stick with Marquette, which is probably a big reason the antagonism with Bucky.
you might mention that during the 60's their teams were so bad that even their football team couldn't draw flies at homecoming!!! Further, UW was everyone from Wisconsin's 'fall-back' school. The Marquette Warriors on the other hand were a basketball dynasty- never ranked out of the top ten nationally for a ten year period! Covers of the national Sports Illustrateds every few months, on and on and on. Additionally, as a private school, MU students were seen as elitists by the baajrs. It's a jealousy that is passed down by the previous generation. Your friends parents know their school was crap for decades, and massive infusions of tax dollars for facilities and coaches has finally brought their programs up to a Marquette-quality level. The hate is just a distilled, perverted jealousy from their parents.
There is much more to it, including the actions of their alumni at games today (I'm often embarrassed to be from Wisconsin when I see the behavior at games in other states).
Quote from: wadefan#1 on April 07, 2010, 07:16:43 PM
They are just mad that we stole Vander from them.
I wouldn't even characterize it that way. Badger fans have an assumption that every player from Wisconsin belongs to UW. Not the case at all this decade. Sanders, Jackson, Merrit, Diener, Novak, Matthews, JMay, Blue, Scotty C. That's a good amount of talent going elsewhere than Madison and does not even include players like Jerry Smith and Jamil Wilson.
No one stole Blue from them. Blue just saw how good of a thing Buzz had going and came there. There was no stealing at all.
It isn't necessarily just an anti-MU thing. It could just be anti-anything not traditional "Wisconsin" thing. For example, driving through my subdivision last night I passed a parked car with a "Cubs Suck" bumper sticker. It was a larger sticker than the Brewers sticker on the other side of the bumper. To some people it is more fun to be against something than it is to be for something. I have a Packers cling, a Cubs cling and an MU cling on my back window. I can't imagine having anything to do with a rival on my car even if it is negative. Besides being completely pathetic, why would a fan want to see their rival's logo every time they get in their car?
Sad life for that type person.
Now that song, "The Bears Still Suck", that is hilarious. ;)
Quote from: Canadian Dimes on April 07, 2010, 06:07:08 PM
Additionally, Wisconsin is very liberal left leaning stae home of Socialist mayors and much Communistic and Scoialistic leanings. they dont call UW-Madison the Peoples Republic of Madison for no reason. In contrast Mu has been a much more conservative Catholic demographic that flies in the face of anti- religious Socialists.
Additionally, Mu is private and self sustaining therefore evil in a socialistic state.
Is this meant to be taken seriously? Whether you believe it or not, do you really believe this is what fuels 16-18 year olds rooting interests?
Quote from: Canadian Dimes on April 07, 2010, 06:07:08 PM
Additionally, Wisconsin is very liberal left leaning stae home of Socialist mayors and much Communistic and Scoialistic leanings. they dont call UW-Madison the Peoples Republic of Madison for no reason. In contrast Mu has been a much more conservative Catholic demographic that flies in the face of anti- religious Socialists.
Additionally, Mu is private and self sustaining therefore evil in a socialistic state.
Lastly, you probably dont realize this nor do your ignorant young friends but Wisconsin for the last 50+ years was the laughing stock of the BIg Ten in Basketball. Think Indiana Basketball today and you have Wisconsin basketball for 50 years. Wisconsin and Northwestern played each other twice every year to determine last palce in the Big Ten. This went on for 50 years. Meanwhile Mu was producing NBA players and All-Americans and regularly particiapating in the NCAA and for a good stretch of that time was one of THE teams in collge basketball. Many of the older oflks grew to hate MU out of jealousy. Then starting about 10 years ago Wisconsin began to enjoy some success and even got extremely lucky one year and played a bunch of games in the 40's and got into the Final 4, lo and behold 2 year later Mu was there too. This only drove them more nuts. Funny thing is young Wisconsin fans think Wisky was always good in fact that have usually been terrible. Funny thing is listening to the older people you would think Wisconsin basketball started 10 years ago. Pure Jealousy
most of this is stupid... really stupid.
Quote from: Freeport Warrior on April 07, 2010, 05:53:00 PM
Wisconsin's fan base (a majority of the WI population) view themselves as a large, inclusive melting pot of diverse views, incomes, religions, ethnicities, etc., with members from all over the state who are born to root for the home team. Most see Marquette as a bunch of rich, spoiled, Catholic elitists who were born on third base. By sheer numbers and geography, it's easy to see why you're getting no love. Differences and perceptions aside, if you're from Wisconsin, you're lucky to have two great options for college. A lot of states don't have any.
This.
As far as kids/younger people specifically, I think UW is just everywhere, and therefore they just naturally become a fans.
If MU's exposure stays high and UW drops off for 20 years, you'd probably see a lot of UW football fans that are MU basketball fans statewide.
I think exposure is a big part of it.
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on April 08, 2010, 08:32:00 AM
most of this is stupid... really stupid.
as are the vast majority of your posts, my self and others tho have the class not to say anything. Thanks for the opinion.
Quote from: Canadian Dimes on April 08, 2010, 10:13:05 AM
as are the vast majority of your posts, my self and others tho have the class not to say anything. Thanks for the opinion.
haha whatever, Hayward. It has nothing to do with class, it has to do with you being wrong.
how is Wisconsin a "Liberal" state? Does it lean Dem? Yes, recently. It is a battleground state nearly every election.
Again, it has nothing to do with 'class' it has to do with you being WRONG. Facts are facts.
well 2/3 of my post dealt with UW's lack of basketball success over the last 50 years.
on the political side if you want to state you opinion as fact then good for you. I think you could actually look up the congressional election out comes for the state along with presidential and governor elections and probably not too many people would color Wisconsin as "battleground". Maybe in your world pelosi as a "dem lean". Did you know wisconsin voted the last 6 straight election Democrat? show me the others that did that. My guess would be HAwaii, Minnesota. heck I dont think eve Massachussets did that!!
lastly you posted Most of this is stupid..really stupid... 2/3 to 3/4 of my post dealt with the misfortunes of Wiso BBall.
so go look at your election records and review 5th grade fractions and then review your attack.
Quote from: Canadian Dimes on April 08, 2010, 10:57:57 AM
well 2/3 of my post dealt with UW's lack of basketball success over the last 50 years.
lastly you posted Most of this is stupid..really stupid... 2/3 to 3/4 of my post dealt with the misfortunes of Wiso BBall.
...review 5th grade fractions and then review your attack.
Agreed.
Hards, please use the term "some" instead of "most" when you blast Hayward's post. It makes a HUGE difference.
Quote from: 2002MUalum on April 08, 2010, 11:02:11 AM
Agreed.
Hards, please use the term "some" instead of "most" when you blast Hayward's post. It makes a HUGE difference.
couldnt your time be better spent scouring the internet to defend your boyfriend Tan Tommy
Quote from: 77ncaachamps on April 07, 2010, 06:06:10 PM
One reason and one reason only: They know they can't get in!
This would be a solid reason...but Madison is harder to get into than MU.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on April 08, 2010, 11:12:17 AM
This would be a solid reason...but Madison is harder to get into than MU.
Right... all of the auto-admittances from Madison Area Tech College and UW-Middle of Nowhere are the best and the brightest :P
Quote from: Skatastrophy on April 08, 2010, 11:13:39 AM
Right... all of the auto-admittances from Madison Area Tech College and UW-Middle of Nowhere are the best and the brightest :P
UW-Madison's freshman acceptance rate = 56%
Marquette's = 70%
I know that goes against the "they are so jellous and they hate us" theme on this board, but facts are facts.
Quote from: Canadian Dimes on April 08, 2010, 10:57:57 AM
well 2/3 of my post dealt with UW's lack of basketball success over the last 50 years.
on the political side if you want to state you opinion as fact then good for you. I think you could actually look up the congressional election out comes for the state along with presidential and governor elections and probably not too many people would color Wisconsin as "battleground". Maybe in your world pelosi as a "dem lean". Did you know wisconsin voted the last 6 straight election Democrat? show me the others that did that. My guess would be HAwaii, Minnesota. heck I dont think eve Massachussets did that!!
lastly you posted Most of this is stupid..really stupid... 2/3 to 3/4 of my post dealt with the misfortunes of Wiso BBall.
so go look at your election records and review 5th grade fractions and then review your attack.
You acted like it was a blow out victory for the dems every year! Language matters, Hayward. Prior to Jim Doyle being Governor, WI was run by Tommy Thompson (he was Head of Health and Human Services under Bush!) for FOURTEEN YEARS. He statistically dominated every opponent that ran against him. CURRENTLY, Scott Walker (R) is out polling Tom Barrett (D). But hey, why let facts get in the way. You rarely ever do! Is the state congress Democrat owned NOW (ASSEMBLY:52D, 46R, 1I - SENATE:18D, 15R)? YES! Was it that way a few years ago (ASSEMBLY in 2004:60R, 39D - SENATE in 2006: R19, D14 )? NO! So finally, in 2008, after 20 years, the Democrats hold both the congress and the governers mansion and your conclusion is that Wisconsin is VERY LEFT LEANING LIBERAL? LOL!
Wisconsin is a battleground state because it seems to vote with the prevailing winds of the time. It is neither staunchly conservative or liberal. Any news outlet or polling service will tell you that it is a "swing state".
You're a
dumbass if you think it is a "VERY LEFT LEANING LIBERAL STATE". And that is what you said. ERGO, you're a dumbass.
This isn't a political debate mods... its a "Hayward is a moron and can't back up his rediculous statements" debate
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on April 08, 2010, 11:29:49 AM
UW-Madison's freshman acceptance rate = 56%
Marquette's = 70%
I know that goes against the "they are so jellous and they hate us" theme on this board, but facts are facts.
That stat can be a little misleading though. Probably not enough for a 14% difference, but Marquette you have to pay to apply, while UW I don't believe you do. Which means that more people that seriously consider going to Marquette and think they will get in will apply (I know if you know an alum you can apply for free but not everyone does that or cares enough to want to go through the hassle if they don't plan on going there). However, I know people that have no hope of getting into UW that apply because their parents want them too or just for the heck of it. So between the fee and maybe the general norm in WI that you should at least try to get into UW, UW gets more applications from people who don't fit their criteria and thus more kids don't get accepted. I believe that Madison is harder to get into, but not by much.
Wisconsin is an economic conservative, social libertarian state.
That is why Tommy Thompson was elected time after time (he never really pushed conservative social issues) and why Feingold has been in office for 18 years. (He's a libertarian on many issues.) Watch, neither Walker nor Neumann will touch on social issues versus Barrett, whomever wins the primary. They will focus on balancing the state budget, responsible government, etc. IOW, there isn't much of a religious-right in Wisconsin.
Quote from: cheebs09 on April 08, 2010, 11:40:22 AM
That stat can be a little misleading though. Probably not enough for a 14% difference, but Marquette you have to pay to apply, while UW I don't believe you do.
It's the opposite. MU is free (at least through the common application), whereas you have to pay to apply at UW-Madison.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on April 08, 2010, 11:29:49 AM
UW-Madison's freshman acceptance rate = 56%
Marquette's = 70%
I know that goes against the "they are so jellous and they hate us" theme on this board, but facts are facts.
Your facts just prove that all of the idiots in Wisconsin app to UW@Madison. I didn't claim that all MU students are smarter than UW@Madison students, but while UW@Madison may not admit freshmen in bulk they are auto-admitting all students that attended 2 years at any other UW school or Madison/Milwaukee Area Technical College. Not reviewing their application after further schooling, but auto-admitting students with a 3.0 or above.
If that's not Ivy League I don't know what is.
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on April 08, 2010, 11:31:17 AM
You acted like it was a blow out victory for the dems every year! Language matters, Hayward. Prior to Jim Doyle being Governor, WI was run by Tommy Thompson (he was Head of Health and Human Services under Bush!) for FOURTEEN YEARS. He statistically dominated every opponent that ran against him. CURRENTLY, Scott Walker (R) is out polling Tom Barrett (D). But hey, why let facts get in the way. You rarely ever do! Is the state congress Democrat owned NOW (ASSEMBLY:52D, 46R, 1I - SENATE:18D, 15R)? YES! Was it that way a few years ago (ASSEMBLY in 2004:60R, 39D - SENATE in 2006: R19, D14 )? NO! So finally, in 2008, after 20 years, the Democrats hold both the congress and the governers mansion and your conclusion is that Wisconsin is VERY LEFT LEANING LIBERAL? LOL!
Wisconsin is a battleground state because it seems to vote with the prevailing winds of the time. It is neither staunchly conservative or liberal. Any news outlet or polling service will tell you that it is a "swing state".
You're a dumbass if you think it is a "VERY LEFT LEANING LIBERAL STATE". And that is what you said. ERGO, you're a dumbass.
This isn't a political debate mods... its a "Hayward is a moron and can't back up his rediculous statements" debate
wow you seem to have all kinds of stats yet you avoid the fact that 2/3 of my original post dealt with nothing politically.
Additonally, you do appear to use fact on occasion, since that is the case why dont you let us know how many other states have voted democratic the last 6 elections. You are funny becuase despite your capital letters screaming does not change the facts. MAybe you are insulated but Wisconsin is liberal left by every definistion out there. state congress who cares baout that? The Wisonsin cogressional sentate and Reps are almost always almost entirely democratic and then Wisconsin votes 6 for 6 and you wnat to argue. Wow clownish!! Heck the only repub. they ever voted for was Reagan!
Quote from: Skatastrophy on April 08, 2010, 11:46:36 AM
Your facts just prove that all of the idiots in Wisconsin app to UW@Madison. I didn't claim that all MU students are smarter than UW@Madison students, but while UW@Madison may not admit freshmen in bulk they are auto-admitting all students that attended 2 years at any other UW school or Madison/Milwaukee Area Technical College. Not reviewing their application after further schooling, but auto-admitting students with a 3.0 or above.
If that's not Ivy League I don't know what is.
1. Marquette has all sorts of transfer agreements with MATC and UW Colleges. Really, it isn't all that hard to transfer most places after two years. The first two years are the most expensive for any institution (on a cost per pupil basis), so if you have students who are willing to enter after proving they can cut it academically, most four year schools will take them without many questions. I know Notre Dame gets a lot of "backdoor admissions" that way.
2. The entire point I was making was that "77NCAAChamps" statement was inaccurate or at best misleading. UW-Madison and MU are both moderately difficult to get into...much more difficult than when I was a high school student. But UW-Madison accepts less applicants.
Quote from: cheebs09 on April 08, 2010, 11:40:22 AM
That stat can be a little misleading though. Probably not enough for a 14% difference, but Marquette you have to pay to apply, while UW I don't believe you do. Which means that more people that seriously consider going to Marquette and think they will get in will apply (I know if you know an alum you can apply for free but not everyone does that or cares enough to want to go through the hassle if they don't plan on going there). However, I know people that have no hope of getting into UW that apply because their parents want them too or just for the heck of it. So between the fee and maybe the general norm in WI that you should at least try to get into UW, UW gets more applications from people who don't fit their criteria and thus more kids don't get accepted. I believe that Madison is harder to get into, but not by much.
Back in my day you didn't apply to a particular UW school, you applied to the entire system and you were informed which schools admitted you. Maybe things have changed, but I would suspect that most of the kids who applied wanting to go to Stout, LaCrosse, Whitewater and the like probably checked Madison just for the heck of it. That alone would inflate applications to UW-Madison, thereby reducing the admission percentage.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on April 08, 2010, 12:00:12 PM
...
2. ...But UW-Madison accepts less applicants.
Any idea on the numbers applied vs accepted for both schools?
Quote from: T-Bone on April 08, 2010, 12:48:42 PM
Any idea on the numbers applied vs accepted for both schools?
No I do not. Sorry.
Quote from: Canadian Dimes on April 08, 2010, 11:49:46 AM
wow you seem to have all kinds of stats yet you avoid the fact that 2/3 of my original post dealt with nothing politically.
Additonally, you do appear to use fact on occasion, since that is the case why dont you let us know how many other states have voted democratic the last 6 elections. You are funny becuase despite your capital letters screaming does not change the facts. MAybe you are insulated but Wisconsin is liberal left by every definistion out there. state congress who cares baout that? The Wisonsin cogressional sentate and Reps are almost always almost entirely democratic and then Wisconsin votes 6 for 6 and you wnat to argue. Wow clownish!! Heck the only repub. they ever voted for was Reagan!
I avoid the 2/3 of the original post because it isn't important to the discussion, and a good portion of it, I agree with.
State elections give a much better impression of state values rather than federal elections. Anyone in politics will tell you that.
Yes, WI has voted Dem for POTUS the last 6 elections, but did you actually look at the percentages of how much the state was won by? My guess is no, you didn't. 1988 Bush won by 3.6%. 1992 Clinton won by 4.4%. 1996 Clinton won by more than 10%, but it was against Bob Dole. 2000 Gore won by
0.22%, 2004 Kerry won by
0.38%. 2008 Obama won by more than 10%, but it was against John McCain. 4 of those 6 elections are considered close.
As for Federal Congressional members, I will give you the senate has been Dems for a while... Kohl is far from being a true liberal though, and as SOSW said, Feingold is a liberal, but also very libertarian.
The HOR has 8 members from WI, and 5 of the 8 are currently Dems. If you look back to 2001 there were 4 of each Dem and Rep.
How can you keep defending this? There are no facts in your favor... just your terrible spin, which is utterly unconvincing.
Wisconsin is
not a VERY LEFT LEANING LIBERAL STATE.
Did you really change names just so people don't have you on ignore anymore?
I have not lived in the state of Wisconsin for 23 years. However, I have lived in Madison and went to UW-Madison. I was raised in Southeast Wisconsin. My opinion may be very out dated but I always felt Madison had a superior attitude when comparing itself to the rest of the state. I always felt Madison took care of themselves much better than the rest of the state. UW-Madison had a left reputation especially in regards to the bombing during the Vietnam war that killed a researcher. I always felt UW-Madison took pride in their left reputation and being the Berkley of the midwest. In the early 80s when I was at Madison they had Chinese "visiting scholars". I remember studying in the engineering library and everyday watchng this one visiting scholar copying US Patents. Now fast forward 27 years and look what we got.
Quote from: NCMUFan on April 08, 2010, 02:19:46 PM
I have not lived in the state of Wisconsin for 23 years. However, I have lived in Madison and went to UW-Madison. I was raised in Southeast Wisconsin. My opinion may be very out dated but I always felt Madison had a superior attitude when comparing itself to the rest of the state. I always felt Madison took care of themselves much better than the rest of the state. UW-Madison had a left reputation especially in regards to the bombing during the Vietnam war that killed a researcher. I always felt UW-Madison took pride in their left reputation and being the Berkley of the midwest. In the early 80s when I was at Madison they had Chinese "visiting scholars". I remember studying in the engineering library and everyday watchng this one visiting scholar copying US Patents. Now fast forward 27 years and look what we got.
Anyway, I grew up there and have family there. I don't live there any longer. My observation is that Madison has pretty much mellowed from the 70s and 80s. Yeah, it is still liberal, but the hippies are aging and there is a pretty good entrepreneurial spirit in town. It may actually be more Stanford than Berkeley now! It's also not as "inbred" as it used to be. (And believe me...I know how inbred it was as far as attitudes, etc.)
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on April 08, 2010, 02:43:46 PM
Anyway, I grew up there and have family there. I don't live there any longer. My observation is that Madison has pretty much mellowed from the 70s and 80s. Yeah, it is still liberal, but the hippies are aging and there is a pretty good entrepreneurial spirit in town. It may actually be more Stanford than Berkeley now! It's also not as "inbred" as it used to be. (And believe me...I know how inbred it was as far as attitudes, etc.)
Maybe. I currently live in the area and the hippies are old... but now they are sitting on the city board, etc. :)
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on April 08, 2010, 11:44:32 AM
It's the opposite. MU is free (at least through the common application), whereas you have to pay to apply at UW-Madison.
Hmm. I applied a few years ago and I though MU had a 40 dollar fee, but could be waived if you got something from an alum and you didn't have to pay for UW. Although I do know that I applied to just UW and not any of the other Wisconsin system schools (at least I think, now I'm having doubts about what I did haha).
Now i haven't read all the replies, so this may have already been mentioned.
Not saying this thread is for sure... but have you ever wondered about some of these random "poll the audience" type threads? they get started by someone with 1-3 posts and basically set it up for us to either brag about ourselves to no end, or tear down someone else. I get suspicious that it's not a troll that just wants to post a link on their own board to say... look at these MU *ssholes and how mighty they think they are.
MU gimp that was not my intention at all. I was just saying what's happening at my high school. I didn't intend for it to blow up like this.
MUFan, nothing wrong with your original question. Some people just can't leave politics out of things.
I have lived around USA, and in most states, the big state school always has the broad fan base, and the private programs, regardless of comparative success, are narrower fan based--also, often termed more elitist. In NC the vast majority of public, even in Durham is pro UNC and anti Duke. With few exceptions toward the privates (Miami/ USC/Notre Dame football, come to mind---yes USC is private) the larger public goes with the "big" public state school. The UW vs MU debate is normal, to most places, not unique.
The original threader, a high schooler , should take solace in his MU uniqueness, selectivity, independence and good taste, and special pride in "Bucking" the crowd of lemmings, esp at such a young age--congrats.
Quote from: cheebs09 on April 08, 2010, 03:30:27 PM
Hmm. I applied a few years ago and I though MU had a 40 dollar fee, but could be waived if you got something from an alum and you didn't have to pay for UW. Although I do know that I applied to just UW and not any of the other Wisconsin system schools (at least I think, now I'm having doubts about what I did haha).
My son applied to MU last year, using the Common Ap, and he didn't pay. I know for a fact that you have to pay $25 or so to apply at UW even if you do it online. (You can apply to all UW schools for the same $25.)
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on April 08, 2010, 05:57:50 PM
My son applied to MU last year, using the Common Ap, and he didn't pay. I know for a fact that you have to pay $25 or so to apply at UW even if you do it online. (You can apply to all UW schools for the same $25.)
I applied in 2007 and the App fee was waived for being one of the first 500 or so to apply. Not sure exactly what they do now but I doubt everyone can apply for free. There were over 19,000 applicants this year. That's a decent haul even at $25 a pop. (Even better if you're Harvard whose App 3 years ago was $90)
EDIT-After doing the research:
Marquette- 65.2% acceptance rate for fall of 2008 (for 15,193 applicants)
Wisconsin- 52.7% acceptance rate for fall of 2008 (for 25,478 applicants)
http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/milwaukee-wi/marquette-university-3863
MAR App fee- $30
WIS App fee-$44
Those are the most recent numbers
Quote from: pux90mex on April 08, 2010, 06:18:09 PM
I applied in 2007 and the App fee was waived for being one of the first 500 or so to apply. Not sure exactly what they do now but I doubt everyone can apply for free. There were over 19,000 applicants this year. That's a decent haul even at $25 a pop. (Even better if you're Harvard whose App 3 years ago was $90)
EDIT-After doing the research:
Marquette- 65.2% acceptance rate for fall of 2008 (for 15,193 applicants)
Wisconsin- 52.7% acceptance rate for fall of 2008 (for 25,478 applicants)
http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/milwaukee-wi/marquette-university-3863
MAR App fee- $30
WIS App fee-$44
Those are the most recent numbers
False. Marquette has no application fee.
http://www.marquette.edu/student/ugrad/applytoday.shtml
"There is no application fee."
When I applied (fall of 2002 for entry in fall of 2003) I had my fee waved by having an MU Alum sign something. Maybe the application itself.
Maybe they've removed the fee since then.
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on April 08, 2010, 01:18:58 PM
I avoid the 2/3 of the original post because it isn't important to the discussion, and a good portion of it, I agree with.
State elections give a much better impression of state values rather than federal elections. Anyone in politics will tell you that.
Yes, WI has voted Dem for POTUS the last 6 elections, but did you actually look at the percentages of how much the state was won by? My guess is no, you didn't. 1988 Bush won by 3.6%. 1992 Clinton won by 4.4%. 1996 Clinton won by more than 10%, but it was against Bob Dole. 2000 Gore won by 0.22%, 2004 Kerry won by 0.38%. 2008 Obama won by more than 10%, but it was against John McCain. 4 of those 6 elections are considered close.
As for Federal Congressional members, I will give you the senate has been Dems for a while... Kohl is far from being a true liberal though, and as SOSW said, Feingold is a liberal, but also very libertarian.
The HOR has 8 members from WI, and 5 of the 8 are currently Dems. If you look back to 2001 there were 4 of each Dem and Rep.
How can you keep defending this? There are no facts in your favor... just your terrible spin, which is utterly unconvincing.
Wisconsin is not a VERY LEFT LEANING LIBERAL STATE.
Did you really change names just so people don't have you on ignore anymore?
the funny thing is your numbers simply back up my stance...but you state there are no facts in my favor...in fact they are all in my favor. Now you can argue closeness all you want but show me the other 6 states that have all gone Dem in the POTUS election and they like wisky are left leaning leiberal...son a spade is aspade
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on April 09, 2010, 07:45:23 AM
False. Marquette has no application fee.
http://www.marquette.edu/student/ugrad/applytoday.shtml
"There is no application fee."
Thanks for that. No wonder applications have skyrocketed. Good strategy.
Or, maybe it's just that some people raise themselves up by putting others down.
Quote from: Canadian Dimes on April 09, 2010, 09:09:10 AM
the funny thing is your numbers simply back up my stance...but you state there are no facts in my favor...in fact they are all in my favor. Now you can argue closeness all you want but show me the other 6 states that have all gone Dem in the POTUS election and they like wisky are left leaning leiberal...son a spade is aspade
Shall I start a poll, Hayward? Who is the bigger kook?
Is that something you really want?
Remember, your exact quote was, "Wisconsin is very liberal left leaning stae" (I even left in your misspelling). Backed up by my arguments and my statistics, you can see that Wisconsin is not a very liberal left leaning state. It is, and has been, a battleground/swing state.
Quote from: pux90mex on April 09, 2010, 10:37:17 AM
Thanks for that. No wonder applications have skyrocketed. Good strategy.
Well, they had to. So many people apply via the Common Application, and if you charge while many others do not, my guess is your numbers will go way down.
Part of the rationale for getting rid of the application fee is the need to to ramp up raw application numbers, because the US News rankings take into account acceptance rates. Having no application fee reduces disincentives to apply.
Quote from: Canadian Dimes on April 09, 2010, 09:09:10 AM
the funny thing is your numbers simply back up my stance...but you state there are no facts in my favor...in fact they are all in my favor. Now you can argue closeness all you want but show me the other 6 states that have all gone Dem in the POTUS election and they like wisky are left leaning leiberal...son a spade is aspade
Madison= liberal
Milwaukee= Dem (Unions)
rest of the state pretty Republican. Throw Out Dane and Milwaukee County and the State is extremely Red.
Quote from: pillardean on April 09, 2010, 08:05:21 PM
Madison= liberal
Milwaukee= Dem (Unions)
rest of the state pretty Republican. Throw Out Dane and Milwaukee County and the State is extremely Red.
Not really. The north is moderate to red and the western part of the state around Eau Claire and LaCrosse are moderate to blue. (Both areas are represented by Democrats in Congress.) The only parts of the state that I would call "extremely red" are suburban Milwaukee and the Fox Valley.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on April 09, 2010, 09:49:58 PM
Not really. The north is moderate to red and the western part of the state around Eau Claire and LaCrosse are moderate to blue. (Both areas are represented by Democrats in Congress.) The only parts of the state that I would call "extremely red" are suburban Milwaukee and the Fox Valley.
correctamundo.
In 2008, McCain only won 13 of Wisconsin's 72 counties. 8 of them were in the SE portion of the state.
This thread might be dumber than the "is it a guard's game?" threads. And certainly less relevent to anything.