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Looks like he is leaning MN and ready to commit if visit to gophs goes well this weekend.
Who cares...While I agree we need size. Fans should not just focus on every big man out there and think "we could have really used him" . Mo Walker is a plodder his lack of athleticism does not really fit into the way Mu is going to play. Do we need guys over 6'7...absolutely!! but we need the right guys and I have always been against getting Walker. the Big Ten is the perfect place for him.
Now Cory Jospeh, that kid can freaking play!!
Quote from: Canadian Dimes on April 06, 2010, 09:31:35 AM
Who cares...While I agree we need size. Fans should not just focus on every big man out there and think "we could have really used him" . Mo Walker is a plodder his lack of athleticism does not really fit into the way Mu is going to play. Do we need guys over 6'7...absolutely!! but we need the right guys and I have always been against getting Walker. the Big Ten is the perfect place for him.
Now Cory Jospeh, that kid can freaking play!!
I tend to disagree with the notion that he doesn't fit our "style" of play. First of all, MU doesn't necessarily have a "system" per se. Second of all, after watching Duke take the title last night, I think Walker could play the Brian Zoubek role perfectly with MU's talented guards and wing players. Essentially, he would be there to crash boards, defend, and score on some offensive putbacks. I hate to think how different the last 5 seasons might have turned out if we had this kind of player considering all of the other talent we have had.
All that said, I still don't think that MU's future success will be determined by his committment/lack there of.
For those who enjoy X's and O's. Marquette runs and up tempo fast break style. If that is not there they run a very average secondary break. (LH gets his three at the top of the key during this).
Marquette also runs a lot of ball screen motion, which is predicated off of reads, how the D reacts and who is handling the ball. It is also predicated on who is setting the screen and how effective that screen is.
Who would set a better screen, a "plodder" like Mo Walker? or Yous?
Note: This offense will likely change next year, because of Lazars ability to pick and pop and knock down the perimeter shot.
Quote from: OhioGoldenEagle on April 06, 2010, 09:47:20 AM
I tend to disagree with the notion that he doesn't fit our "style" of play. First of all, MU doesn't necessarily have a "system" per se. Second of all, after watching Duke take the title last night, I think Walker could play the Brian Zoubek role perfectly with MU's talented guards and wing players. Essentially, he would be there to crash boards, defend, and score on some offensive putbacks. I hate to think how different the last 5 seasons might have turned out if we had this kind of player considering all of the other talent we have had.
All that said, I still don't think that MU's future success will be determined by his committment/lack there of.
Read Mickeys post he is correct and even if they change it up alittel due to the loss of Lazar it is still going to be a transition offense and then motion in the half court. We slowed it down this year to conserve our 6 players but the motion was still similar.
So to disagree with you yes we do have a system. although our tempo was different the last two years and any coach will tweak things to provide for certain players/situations.
Additonally, look at our recruits. Even if Buzz came out tommorow and Anoounced " I am changing my sytem" do you think the makeup of our roster would cuase him to implement a system that favored that type of athlete? if so then Walker does not really fit in. AGain a great player i am sure but part of a coaches job and a players job is to find the right players for your system and for a player to find the right system for your game. I think Mo Walker would be a perfect fit for Pitt. not sure what happened on that front. I cant speak to Minnesota the big ten is too hard to watch for me to have a good feel for them. Actaully i will watch OSU, Illinois or Purdue play but afte rthat I can go to may local high school to watch that kind of ball.
Quote from: MikeyT42 on April 06, 2010, 09:57:57 AM
For those who enjoy X's and O's. Marquette runs and up tempo fast break style. If that is not there they run a very average secondary break. (LH gets his three at the top of the key during this).
Marquette also runs a lot of ball screen motion, which is predicated off of reads, how the D reacts and who is handling the ball. It is also predicated on who is setting the screen and how effective that screen is.
Who would set a better screen, a "plodder" like Mo Walker? or Yous?
Note: This offense will likely change next year, because of Lazars ability to pick and pop and knock down the perimeter shot.
I tend to disagree with the bolded statement, from the perspective that Lazar's "replacement," Jae Crowder is just as capable of 3 point shooter, pick and pop type player. I know Zar will be hard to replace, but from everything I've seen, if you could clone a Lazar, it would probably be Jae Crowder.
Quote from: MikeyT42 on April 06, 2010, 09:57:57 AM
For those who enjoy X's and O's. Marquette runs and up tempo fast break style. If that is not there they run a very average secondary break. (LH gets his three at the top of the key during this).
Marquette also runs a lot of ball screen motion, which is predicated off of reads, how the D reacts and who is handling the ball. It is also predicated on who is setting the screen and how effective that screen is.
Who would set a better screen, a "plodder" like Mo Walker? or Yous?
Note: This offense will likely change next year, because of Lazars ability to pick and pop and knock down the perimeter shot.
For the record, Marquette was anything but a running "up-tempo fast break style offense" this year. They ranked 284 in tempo and 304 in adjusted tempo. MU was very much a half court designed offense last year. Buzz highly values possessions because we do not have a big man to help get us second chance opportunities. So Buzz coaches a controlled half-court style offense that limited turnovers and maximized open jumpers.
My point is that there really is no set system. If Buzz gets some athletic 6'8-6'10 guys that can run the floor and use their athleticism, I have no doubt that he will speed up the tempo and maximize that athleticism. However if you are thinking that Buzz will not/would not want a slower, more powerful big man because his style is an up and down the court style then you are wrong. Buzz has shown he is entirely willing and comfortable to operate in a mostly half-court offense.
Trying to paint Buzz into a corner as either wanting a 'slow, plodding half-court offense" or a "chaotic fast-break tempo" is just pointless. Somehow we have conceptualized one with being non-athletic and boring and the other being fun, exciting and highlight-reel type basketball. But if anyone watched this year, every game was as exciting, fun and full of athletic plays as we have come to enjoy all the while being more based in the dreaded 'controlled half-court offense."
I love how everyone in this thread talks about these 6'8 and taller guys that run fast and are athletic. There is probaly one of these guys every year.
Quote from: KCMarq09 on April 06, 2010, 10:34:25 AM
For the record, Marquette was anything but a running "up-tempo fast break style offense" this year. They ranked 284 in tempo and 304 in adjusted tempo. MU was very much a half court designed offense last year. Buzz highly values possessions because we do not have a big man to help get us second chance opportunities. So Buzz coaches a controlled half-court style offense that limited turnovers and maximized open jumpers.
My point is that there really is no set system. If Buzz gets some athletic 6'8-6'10 guys that can run the floor and use their athleticism, I have no doubt that he will speed up the tempo and maximize that athleticism. However if you are thinking that Buzz will not/would not want a slower, more powerful big man because his style is an up and down the court style then you are wrong. Buzz has shown he is entirely willing and comfortable to operate in a mostly half-court offense.
Trying to paint Buzz into a corner as either wanting a 'slow, plodding half-court offense" or a "chaotic fast-break tempo" is just pointless. Somehow we have conceptualized one with being non-athletic and boring and the other being fun, exciting and highlight-reel type basketball. But if anyone watched this year, every game was as exciting, fun and full of athletic plays as we have come to enjoy all the while being more based in the dreaded 'controlled half-court offense."
KCMarq
You are confusing tempo with system. marquette ran basically the same stuff last year as they did the year before. How ever they did not push transition and would typically burn clock with some dribble handoffs etc before going into the offense to let the other 3-4 guys on the floor rest. The "system" was the same the tempo was different. Mu basically runs the same sytem that Gillespie and Self run.
I will agree the tempo was different, this past year then from the 08-09 season. It was slower more methodical. But the fast break mentality was still instilled in all of those players. The tried to get up the floor and get a quick hit from the wing (DJO) slashing through the lane. If that wasn't there the secondary break was contingent upon Lazar getting to the top of the key for the spot up 3. From there it would be dribble hand off or ball screen motion.
The only real difference in the motion O I saw this year was from where the screens were set on the floor. This year the screen took place on the wing. With Jerel, the screen was set from the corner. I attribute this to the fact that Jerel loved to slash, Mo and Cooby are shooters.
If Jae Crowder can knock down the 3 then yes he will pick and pop.
Don't we all yearn for a big guy who can screen, go to the oppo block and post. Similar to what Aldrich did this year for KU?
In hoops, you play the cards you're delt. In the case of college hoops, you play the cards that you picked.
If Walker originally wanted to play out east, but is now looking more seriously at Midwestern schools, Marquette would seem to be an ideal place for him. He gets to come out here and then go place games back home in conference. There are lots of factors, and maybe he and Tubby just clicked, but its too bad we couldn't convince him to stay in the BE.
If the gophers gets Cory I will definitly blow a big one
Quote from: HaywardsHeroes32 on April 06, 2010, 04:18:20 PM
If the gophers gets Cory I will definitly blow a big one
And how exactly does that differ from a typical day for you on Muscoop? ::)
Quote from: MikeyT42 on April 06, 2010, 02:11:11 PM
I will agree the tempo was different, this past year then from the 08-09 season. It was slower more methodical. But the fast break mentality was still instilled in all of those players. The tried to get up the floor and get a quick hit from the wing (DJO) slashing through the lane. If that wasn't there the secondary break was contingent upon Lazar getting to the top of the key for the spot up 3. From there it would be dribble hand off or ball screen motion.
The only real difference in the motion O I saw this year was from where the screens were set on the floor. This year the screen took place on the wing. With Jerel, the screen was set from the corner. I attribute this to the fact that Jerel loved to slash, Mo and Cooby are shooters.
If Jae Crowder can knock down the 3 then yes he will pick and pop.
Don't we all yearn for a big guy who can screen, go to the oppo block and post. Similar to what Aldrich did this year for KU?
In hoops, you play the cards you're delt. In the case of college hoops, you play the cards that you picked.
And that picked you back!
I appreciate the use of teal. There are rumors though that royce may be out and going to UCLA or somewhere? I hope not. Unless he goes to MU.
Quote from: HaywardsHeroes32 on April 06, 2010, 04:28:17 PM
I appreciate the use of teal. There are rumors though that royce may be out and going to UCLA or somewhere? I hope not. Unless he goes to MU.
There is no way he'll end up at MU, after the freshman season he had. Given Howland's problems at UCLA, I don't think he'll land there either. I would put my money on the bluegrass state, either Louisville or Kentucky.
Now its being reported he never talked to UCLA and he wants to be a gophers. Lets hope he is because they will be a top 10 team with him.
Quote from: KipsBayEagle on April 06, 2010, 12:42:12 PM
I love how everyone in this thread talks about these 6'8 and taller guys that run fast and are athletic. There is probaly one of these guys every year.
By all reports clark fit this description